Vanamali Hermans joined Marijo Požega to discuss the current Black Lives Matter movement, what abolition could look like from a disability justice perspective, the role of social workers (if any) in abolitionist politics and her experiences in mutual aid organising. Vanamali (Mali) Hermans is a Wiradjuri, Irish & Flemish woman living on Ngunnawal and Ngambri land. She is a disabled organiser and writer and has had work published in Overland, The Guardian and New Matilda, and has appeared on podcasts such as Living the Dream and Movement Memos with Kelly Hayes, among others. Mali is a board member of Women with Disabilities ACT, and currently works in gender-based violence policy alongside studying a Master of Social Work.  You can find Mali on twitter at: @vanamalihermans