0:13

How are you?

0:14

Okay, great. How are you?

0:16

Fantastic man

0:16

doing interviews all day and,

0:19

and doing great doing really

0:19

great.

0:21

Okay, yeah, I was a little

0:21

worried there because like, you

0:24

didn't show up last time and I

0:24

was like, I just like bots,

0:27

third sir, going through my head

0:27

with everything I start to get

0:31

worried like, oh, you know, I

0:31

was I was talking to a guy from

0:35

South America and he kept going

0:35

and going, which is great and I

0:38

didn't really I wasn't keeping

0:38

track of the time. And it got to

0:42

be like 544 And oh my god, okay.

0:42

All right, and he kept going. I

0:46

didn't enter 552 I'm like, so I

0:46

told Martinez, please let him

0:50

know. We'll reschedule Oh, man,

0:50

I'm there. I just got you know,

0:53

kind of tied up with him. But

0:53

I'm here now. Okay, that's

0:56

great. Yeah. Do you have an

0:56

hour? You? You got to get off

0:58

for another one. Not till after

0:58

this one, too. No, I think this

1:01

is the last one until eight

1:01

o'clock. So I'm good, man. Take

1:04

your time and fill it up. Okay,

1:04

awesome. Well, first thing I was

1:08

gonna ask you is this most

1:08

recent thing you guys just

1:10

played at the NFC Championship

1:10

Game journey did with a hose

1:14

out? Unbelievable, dude. I mean,

1:14

just, you know. I mean, we're 40

1:19

Niners fans by proxy. I mean,

1:19

Nealon those guys are from San

1:22

Francisco. I'm an Oregonian.

1:22

There's no football teams, the

1:25

Seahawks not so good this year.

1:25

So we had to be 40 United fans

1:29

and man, they they pulled it

1:29

out. We didn't I didn't think

1:32

they were gonna be able to pull

1:32

it out. But man,

1:36

quite a nail biter at the end

1:36

there, man. I was pretty

1:39

impressed. And yeah, you know,

1:39

of course we take responsibility

1:42

because it was our halftime

1:42

performance that just round them

1:45

all up.

1:46

It didn't make it.

1:46

Yeah, it was the second half

1:49

where they came back. I think I

1:49

was hurting for the Lions just

1:51

because I'm a Seahawks fan. So

1:51

I'm against the 40 Niners

1:54

division plus lions. You just

1:54

feel so bad for him. But good

1:57

game.

1:57

Totally. I mean, a 30 year drought in the team come back that hard and

1:59

that heavy and then to lose it

2:02

just on a few mistakes. You

2:02

know, nothing major, but you

2:05

know, still he was, you know,

2:05

vital, you know, pretty heavy.

2:09

But yeah,

2:10

yeah, that's cool. Like, I don't know if people know that that you grew up in

2:12

Oregon. And that you were you

2:15

were in a band with the guys

2:15

from black and blue, right?

2:18

Yeah. Well, one

2:18

of the guys Kimi St. James, the

2:20

lead singer, was actually the

2:20

drummer for wild dogs, which is

2:23

a metal band out of Portland.

2:23

And Jamie, you know, moved to LA

2:27

to do black and blue and the

2:27

wild dogs were looking for a

2:30

drummer and I was 16 at the time

2:30

playing in a club in Portland

2:35

and Matt came the lead singer

2:35

came down said pretty good. So

2:40

they they hired me and but the

2:40

guitarist Jeff who I love, he's

2:43

a brother. He's like, Well, he

2:43

plays too loud. And he plays a

2:47

lot. He's really busy. And he

2:47

doesn't look right. And you

2:51

know, because I support Harris

2:51

Duff, and it's like, they gave

2:54

me a shot. He had a 16 and

2:54

recorded my first record with

2:58

him at 17. It was pretty cool.

3:00

Is that how you

3:00

ended up getting to the

3:04

attention of the shrapnel

3:04

records guy? Yes,

3:07

yeah, Jeff Mark

3:07

was on the the US metal Volume

3:10

Two, I think it was just all

3:10

those shredder guys. Derek Frigo

3:14

was on a Josh Ramos, Marty

3:14

Friedman, all these monster

3:18

players. And Jeff had it with

3:18

the song called The Tonight

3:22

Show. And Jeff, believe it or

3:22

not, was doing the Eddie stuff.

3:27

Before Eddie was doing that, but

3:27

he was up in Portland. I mean,

3:29

he was doing all that stuff.

3:29

Because, you know, the dogs were

3:32

together from like, 7778 that

3:32

Van Halen came out was like, he

3:37

plays like Jeff. Yeah, it was it

3:37

was crazy, you know, but I'm not

3:41

the same obviously. But you

3:41

know, he had the same those the

3:44

triple piggy you know, the the

3:44

finger picking thing down. They

3:47

were doing that. So Jeff got the

3:47

call from Mike varney. And then

3:51

Mike Varney saw me play and said

3:51

you don't you're pretty good.

3:55

Would you like to do some some

3:55

records for me as like a studio

3:59

drummer? I'm like yes. So I

3:59

literally did records for Mike

4:05

like Marty Friedman's dragons

4:05

kiss and cacophony and joy to

4:09

for you. James Murphy. All these

4:09

guys are like really cheap. Like

4:13

you know 150 bucks a record

4:13

Well, you know, because Mike

4:15

didn't have a big a big budget

4:15

but yeah, it was such a great

4:19

experience for me man to to play

4:19

with all these great players man

4:23

and now they're most of those

4:23

guys are freaking massive, you

4:26

know?

4:27

Yeah. Did so did

4:27

you when you were young at a

4:29

young age did you like I don't

4:29

know what the term is like

4:32

envision or did you try to like,

4:32

have like a vision board or like

4:35

manifest these like future

4:35

things of playing with Germany

4:39

and Ozzy and stuff, or did it

4:39

just happen from hard work and

4:42

and continuing to practice?

4:44

Well, dude, I

4:44

was what you call a Ritalin kid.

4:46

You know, they gave kids that

4:46

were really at add. They gave

4:50

him Ritalin to speed you know,

4:50

they give them Ritalin to calm

4:53

them down. And my mom, you know,

4:53

I was on it for maybe, I don't

4:57

know, three weeks to a month and

4:57

I was a zombie. I went from

5:00

being an old striper to like a

5:00

dead man. And she was like, I

5:04

don't like this. I didn't like

5:04

it. She took me off of them. And

5:07

she she and my dad bought me a

5:07

drum set. And I never looked

5:10

back, dude. I wanted to be in

5:10

one or two bands either kissed,

5:14

or Van Halen. And since I look

5:14

crappy and spandex or dirty, I'm

5:18

sorry. He's been dirty. And

5:18

since I look crappy in spandex,

5:21

I got the journey gang. So it

5:21

was I knew what I was going to

5:24

do to young age, man, and nobody

5:24

could stop me. My father was

5:27

like, You need to have a plan B.

5:27

I'm like, there is no plan B

5:30

down. I'm going to do this. And

5:30

how are you going to make it out

5:33

of Salem, Oregon? I mean, how

5:33

are you going to do this? I

5:36

don't know. But that's what I'm

5:36

doing. And wild dogs was my

5:38

calling card, Mike Vardy. You

5:38

know, Matt McCourt? And then of

5:42

course, Neil, you know, Neil

5:42

discovered me in a rehearsal

5:46

studio playing with Tony

5:46

MacAlpine and took me under his

5:50

wing and bad English was born,

5:50

you know, and he's taken me ever

5:54

since everywhere he went with

5:54

the exception of my three years

5:57

with Ozzy, I was with Neil.

5:57

Yeah,

6:00

did you so you

6:00

never got a chance with kiss

6:03

like they never you never tried

6:03

to throw your hat in the ring

6:05

until audition for that band, because they have

6:08

this close

6:08

dude, when Eric Garner God rest

6:10

his soul, monster drummer, when

6:10

he passed, I got the call from

6:14

Gene Simmons, Mike Varney

6:14

actually sent them my, my bio,

6:17

and I talked to Gene and to Bob

6:17

Ezrin. And it was just before

6:23

revenge and Mike, I guess,

6:23

called, you know, maybe a month

6:27

later and asked what the status

6:27

was. They said, Well, he's not

6:30

the right. Look. He's too heavy.

6:30

Cuz that was a big, big kid back

6:32

then. So they're like, yeah,

6:32

he's just not the right look. So

6:35

they got Eric, which was the

6:35

perfect choice. binominal. So

6:40

that worked out but yeah, it was

6:40

I was as close to but yeah, they

6:43

would have put you know, Spanx

6:43

and stuff all over me. Some big

6:47

good.

6:48

Yeah. Well, what

6:48

about that band? I don't think a

6:51

lot of people probably ask you about this. But you were in that band hard line. I love that

6:53

band. Personally. You guys had a

6:56

little bit of success. You had

6:56

songs in the Brandon Lee movie

7:00

and on an episode of Baywatch

7:00

you toured with then you do some

7:02

shows with Van Halen and

7:02

extreme? Yep,

7:05

we did. Van

7:05

Halen extreme. And Mr. Big.

7:07

Those are our three big tours,

7:07

you know, and do what a great

7:10

band Johnny G. Well, who's still

7:10

a wonderful friend of mine.

7:14

Still sounds just like he did

7:14

back that young vocalist start

7:18

to lose it after a while. He

7:18

says the same. He's still got

7:21

all the power. He's just an

7:21

amazing frontman. And actually

7:25

he produced my vocals on the

7:25

last the last two revolutions

7:30

days records. They're very

7:30

fortunate to have him as a

7:33

brother and a producer. Just

7:33

amazing. So yeah, hardline was

7:36

we did pretty good. I believe in

7:36

there five years earlier, like

7:39

maybe 87 We probably would have

7:39

been big Yogi's, it was around

7:45

the time of Bon Jovi and Johnny

7:45

chatted very similar to John

7:49

Yeah, kirpan huge bro could have

7:49

been huge

7:53

Yeah, if people go

7:53

go out I think they could still

7:55

check out that album like rhythm

7:55

from a red car life's a bitch

7:58

those two songs are like they're

7:58

so good to me like I think they

8:02

fit right in with the Bon Jovi

8:02

stuff. You're right.

8:04

I think so. You

8:04

got Neil who's a shredder and a

8:07

half man, you know, a blue

8:07

Shredder. It was killer, just a

8:10

great band, but just a little

8:10

too. Too late.

8:14

Yeah, so he So

8:14

Johnny produced your vocals, I

8:16

thought oh, Sondra will produce

8:16

the album or you

8:19

have to produce

8:19

the record but But Alex Hunter

8:21

was busy doing the basics with

8:21

another band. So they asked if

8:25

Johnny would do it. And, you

8:25

know, all of a sudden is a

8:27

fantastic songwriter, and he's

8:27

busy all the time. So they were

8:31

like, well, let's have Johnny do

8:31

it. I was in Portland. And we

8:35

did it zoom like this, you know,

8:35

we had a screen up and a camera.

8:40

And you know, he helped me

8:40

through every line, you know,

8:43

just helped me work through it

8:43

realize he will try it with this

8:46

kind of feeling and, you know,

8:46

get into the character of it.

8:48

And he taught me a lot bro

8:48

because, you know, I'm not I'm

8:51

still learning how to be a lead

8:51

singer. You know, I've been in

8:54

Germany and I've sang lead, you

8:54

know, journey a few times and

8:56

stuff, but it's different trying

8:56

to be your own guy, you know,

9:00

and I'm not that I'm still

9:00

learning who I am as a vocalist.

9:04

So I mean, drumming out the

9:04

always keep my day job. That's,

9:07

that's where I'm the happiest.

9:07

But, you know, so I'm still

9:11

learning and growing. But Johnny

9:11

pulls a lot out of me and all

9:13

this other was well pulls a lot

9:13

out of me. They're really good

9:16

at knowing my vocal potential,

9:16

what I can do what I can't do,

9:21

and they work with me. And it's,

9:21

it's, it's been great. Just

9:24

fantastic.

9:25

Yeah. I mean, you mentioned the journey. I mean, there is some similarities. And

9:27

I think you'd be the first

9:30

admitted between you and Steve

9:30

Perry on this new revolution

9:33

saints, all the revolution

9:33

saints stuff that you've done.

9:35

There's definitely some similarities there.

9:37

Oh, yeah. Well, it's kind of hard not to Steve was my I had three vocal

9:39

influences. I see Barry who's

9:42

the biggest, Paul Stanley, and

9:42

Ronnie dill. Those are my three

9:48

favorites of all time. So you

9:48

know, I can't help but you know,

9:51

sound a lot like very because

9:51

I'm doing the background and I

9:54

was a huge journey fan. I mean,

9:54

I was playing that stuff at 11

9:57

years old, with guys who were

9:57

like 2425 years old. And so I

10:01

had to learn this stuff. And

10:01

since I hadn't hit puberty and I

10:03

could hit these high notes, you

10:03

know, they make me do it, you

10:06

know, and that's how I learned

10:06

to sing was listening to Steve.

10:09

And of course, I'm not, you

10:09

know, nobody's going to be close

10:11

to him. I mean, close, but

10:11

they'll never be him. And I'm,

10:14

you know, I'm just grateful that

10:14

I can do the songs the best that

10:18

I can and the fans that accept

10:18

it, because if they didn't, I

10:21

would stop. I would be like,

10:21

Yeah, I'm done. Because they're,

10:24

they're tough. Dirty fans are

10:24

tough. I mean, Steve Perry,

10:26

Steve Berry, I mean, yeah. How

10:26

do you get close to sound like

10:29

that? Especially me being a

10:29

smoker. Not the greatest thing

10:32

in the world, but it's weird

10:32

when I sing my vocal comes out

10:35

nice and clear. I don't get it.

10:35

And that

10:37

is great. Yeah. So

10:37

you're still smoking though?

10:40

He got my, my

10:40

American spirits. Yeah, I got

10:45

you know, I quit. About six

10:45

months ago, I just woke up one

10:47

morning said, you know, I'm

10:47

done. And I had no cravings, no

10:51

irritability, no withdrawals,

10:51

none of that stuff. It just kind

10:54

of went away. And then my, my

10:54

daughter was having issues with

10:59

with a pregnancy, they didn't

10:59

think that she was going to make

11:02

it. It was scary as hell. So

11:02

instantly, I grabbed the

11:05

cigarettes, man, and I'm chained

11:05

smoking like a mother. You know,

11:09

thank God, she came out of it.

11:09

Babies. Great. She's great. But

11:12

yeah, that date started up

11:12

again. So I've been talking

11:14

about two months. Now, again,

11:14

though, I'm hopefully but I'm

11:17

cutting down. I've done really

11:17

well. I do maybe four or five

11:20

cigarettes a day instead of, you

11:20

know, a pack. So I'm doing

11:22

better.

11:24

What about does it make a difference with the vaping? They say that's better

11:26

for you. Or have you tried that?

11:29

You know, I

11:29

tried vaping I actually was on

11:31

the dead daisies rose in the

11:31

dead days even. Yeah, we were in

11:35

Croatia. And it was two in the

11:35

morning and I smelled something

11:38

funny. I'm like, What the hell

11:38

is that smell? So I turn the

11:41

light on on my nightstand and there it is sitting on my nightstand, smoldering. That

11:43

thing exploded and caught on

11:47

fire. I'm like, okay, and I'm

11:47

done. And that was it for me.

11:50

No. Vaping again, it gave me

11:50

cigarettes. And the European

11:53

cigarettes are not that great.

11:53

So I was toughing it out. But

11:56

yeah, yeah, I won't vape

11:59

forget were you in

11:59

the diseases when karate was

12:01

there? Or was it? Both?

12:03

Yeah, I was in both. I was there with grabbing for for a record and two tours.

12:05

And then John decided to take a

12:12

little hiatus. So they brought

12:12

Glenn Hughes in, did the record

12:15

with Glenn Hughes and then

12:15

journey called and it was like,

12:18

Well, I'm going, you know. Yeah,

12:22

cuz Yeah, cuz How long have you been in journey? Now? It's been a while, right?

12:23

Yeah,

12:25

I started in

12:25

9890. Yeah, yeah. 98 and took

12:30

some time off to get myself

12:30

better as a person. And rejoined

12:36

in 2021. Yeah, a long time. Cuz

12:36

you were there.

12:40

Were you there

12:40

when? Jeff Scott Soto was the

12:42

singer like brief? i He was in

12:42

the band. Right. Yeah.

12:45

2016. But Jerry

12:45

was having issues, vocal issues.

12:48

And so they had Jeff come in and

12:48

fill him was was Steve, you

12:54

know, mended his voice. And

12:54

yeah, so he was in the band for

12:58

for the whole rest of the Def

12:58

Leppard tour, and some some one

13:02

offs and stuff like that. And

13:02

then Neil just thought, well,

13:04

you know, we need to have that

13:04

signature sound. And Jeff is

13:08

unbelievable, undeniable

13:08

frontman, unbelievable vocalist.

13:12

And I thought he was fantastic

13:12

with the band. But you know,

13:15

Neil's the visionary and he, you

13:15

know, so he started looking

13:17

online, and came across Darnell.

13:17

by happenstance. And the story

13:23

is that he kept calling or

13:23

knowing or no cup hanging up on

13:27

him thinking it was a joke, you

13:27

know, one of his buddies.

13:31

Finally, let go do not hang up.

13:31

This is really Neil Shawn from

13:35

journey, don't hang up and

13:35

tucked in and brought him out

13:39

and he sang and it was

13:39

undeniable. Just what a voice

13:43

and what a person wouldn't

13:43

amazing man, but boy, his vocals

13:47

and his frontman, you know is

13:47

from man to antics. I mean, he's

13:50

a he's a badass. He really is.

13:53

What was there another guy? I thought I heard you say there was two people you

13:55

audition who was the other

13:57

person? I don't know who that is.

13:58

The guy. His

13:58

name was. Jeremy. I think it's a

14:01

hunt on finger. He was in a

14:01

tribute band. And it was eerie

14:06

because not only did he sound

14:06

identical, but even his his the

14:11

way he looked. And the way he

14:11

moved. It was like, wow, and I

14:15

think Neil was kind of freaked

14:15

out by it. Like that's, that's

14:19

too close. That's too close.

14:19

Wow. Yeah. So we ended up

14:23

getting our nose and boy I mean,

14:23

are now considering anything? He

14:26

is thinking the phone book. The

14:26

guy you tell him the thing that

14:28

he called bro. The man can sound

14:28

like Nat King Cole. It's

14:31

amazing. He's like a chameleon.

14:31

And the way he works the crowd

14:35

he's just fantastic. He's

14:35

amazing to watch. I mean, the

14:38

first show we did was in Vina

14:38

del Mar in in Santiago Chile.

14:42

And I'm playing and literally

14:42

like my head's going like this,

14:47

like watching this guy run

14:47

across the stage. Getting all

14:50

the notes not missing, not out

14:50

of breath running like a madman

14:55

jumping up my rise. I'm like,

14:55

All right, man. We got somebody

14:59

that's that's, you know Have not

14:59

only got the voice, but he can

15:02

entertain. And he's the most

15:02

humble, sweetest guy you'll ever

15:05

meet.

15:07

are now as you're

15:07

saying, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, he

15:10

crushes man, really good heart.

15:12

And when you have a

15:12

really good relationship with

15:14

Neil, because I mean, it goes

15:14

back so far he's been so loyal

15:18

to you taking him with bad

15:18

English and hardline and then

15:22

bringing you along with journey.

15:22

How are you able to have that

15:25

relationship with Him? Because

15:25

then, you know, I just see

15:28

headlines I've ever met met

15:28

Neil, but I mean, there's a lot

15:31

of bad press about Neil, he's

15:31

about you know, he did this,

15:33

he's that and being sued all the

15:33

stuff, but you seem to be able

15:36

to get along with him? Well, well,

15:38

you know, I know Neil were like brothers due to real I mean, he never had, he

15:39

was an only child. And he took

15:43

me under his wing and taught me

15:43

how to play for a song and, and

15:47

taught me how to lay into a

15:47

pocket. I mean, he's, dude,

15:49

it's, it's, it's musically, you

15:49

know, he changed my life

15:54

musically, and career wise. But

15:54

I know the man and a lot of

15:57

people don't know the man, they

15:57

see the guy that is very

16:00

protective of his child and

16:00

journey is his baby, though you

16:05

don't I mean, you can't fault

16:05

him for you know, going off of

16:08

people that try to kill it. You

16:08

know, I would do that's my

16:11

child. I'm going to defend it

16:11

till the day I die. But I know

16:15

Neil, and Neil is a softy. He's

16:15

a teddy bear. You guys don't

16:18

know that. But he is the

16:18

sweetest man. And he's gone to

16:21

bat for me. You know, when I had

16:21

my issues, he called you know,

16:25

he called and kept in touch,

16:25

Jonathan as well kept in touch

16:28

and and, you know, always was

16:28

there for me and but you know,

16:31

Neil, I Oh, in my career, dude.

16:31

You know, Jesus Christ. And him.

16:35

I gotta say, you know, he always

16:35

kept me working always kept me

16:39

busy. Always get me with him.

16:39

And he's real, you know, he,

16:44

there's no gray area with Neil.

16:44

It's black or white. And I

16:48

admire him for that, you know,

16:48

it's playing speaks for itself.

16:51

You know, it speaks for itself.

16:51

But the man, if you knew who he

16:55

was the man that he is, I know

16:55

him really, really, really

16:59

deeply. And I take bullets for

16:59

that man, forever.

17:03

That's awesome to

17:03

hear are things better there

17:05

with the journey exam? Because I

17:05

know there's been some drama,

17:08

but you also said like, as soon

17:08

as you guys get on stage, all

17:11

the drama goes away?

17:13

Yeah. Well, you know, that's what we did the last couple of years because

17:14

there were some some issues, you

17:16

know, between the Elton John,

17:16

but that's what brothers do, man

17:19

they fight. I mean, I have

17:19

issues with my brothers, my

17:21

blood brothers. So, you know,

17:21

stuff happens, you know,

17:24

miscommunications, things that

17:24

are said wrong or taken the

17:27

wrong way. But they mended

17:27

fences this year. And actually,

17:31

last year, just before this tour

17:31

started, and everything is dude,

17:35

it's like it was when we first

17:35

started, when I read when I

17:37

joined the band in 98. It was

17:37

like all for one, one for all.

17:42

Let's go out and slam it. And

17:42

that's what we do. It's been

17:45

great.

17:46

You have any advice

17:46

for other bands on how to mend

17:48

those fences because there's

17:48

other bands that I would love to

17:50

see men the fences that have

17:53

tried to

17:53

swallow your pride, get the ego

17:56

out of the way and work with

17:56

each other. Yo, don't you know,

18:00

when one guy seeing some of the

18:00

other guys seeing something

18:02

that's going on social media and

18:02

people are doing it in the

18:04

press? Number one, keep it out

18:04

in the press. Number two, talk

18:08

you guys if you're creative like

18:08

that, it's a spiritual thing. It

18:11

really is. Art is very

18:11

spiritual. And that's what I'd

18:15

say. And that's what they had to do. They had to sit down in a room and just go okay, let's

18:17

hash this out. Because this

18:20

thing's bigger than the both of

18:20

us. It really is. This music is

18:23

bigger than than one or two guys

18:23

in a band. So that's what I'd

18:28

say, man, get rid of the egos

18:28

you know, get get that out of

18:31

the way. Swallow your pride. I

18:31

mean, even if you feel you're

18:35

right, you know what, look at

18:35

the other guy's point of view,

18:37

and try and understand before

18:37

you are understood. You want to

18:41

get advice.

18:43

Yeah, I love it.

18:43

And you guys have an awesome I'm

18:45

really excited for this tour

18:45

that's coming up this summer.

18:48

It's Def Leppard journey. Steve

18:48

Miller Band heart and cheap

18:51

trick. Oh, yeah, dude, how long

18:51

are you each doing a set for me?

18:55

I don't know if I can stay

18:55

though. I am old now. 20

18:58

minutes east bro. And then we just had fireworks in place. Well, I

19:00

think you know, I think

19:04

everybody's it's gonna be a long

19:04

day but I mean, yeah, yeah, but

19:08

you know, I I'm going to be be

19:08

there for the whole thing

19:11

because I'm a huge, massive

19:11

Cheap Trick fan. And I love

19:14

heart. I've always had a big

19:14

soft spot my heart for him was

19:18

what a voice man. Have you ever

19:18

met? Me?

19:23

Oh, nice. Dude.

19:24

Good. 2012 We

19:24

did a tour and that's when I

19:26

first met her and they're so

19:26

humble. But man, that girl That

19:30

girl can can rip your face off.

19:30

Her voice is wicked, wicked and

19:35

great every night. She don't

19:35

suck ever. I mean he's one of

19:38

those girls, one of those

19:38

artists that can just go out

19:41

there and smoke it you know

19:41

voice can be rough or whatever

19:44

but it's she's still Nelson. And

19:44

it's it's such admiration for

19:47

both those ladies amazing.

19:47

Groundbreaking.

19:50

That's exact you nailed that she's so humble. Like she's so down to earth you

19:52

think with that level that you

19:55

would just be like cocky and

19:55

like think that other people are

19:58

below you and she is not like

19:58

that. All right, I think we're

20:01

equal, which was amazing.

20:03

Exactly, bro. I

20:03

mean, that's, I think that's

20:05

because, you know, they were in

20:05

a, you know, women in a man's

20:08

world, and they had to they had

20:08

something to prove, but they

20:11

always I believe that very

20:11

grateful, you know, they still

20:15

are very grateful for not only

20:15

what they get to do still what

20:18

they've done and the legacy that

20:18

they built. I mean, that's

20:21

massive, bro. You know? Yeah,

20:24

you got a pretty

20:24

good legacy of your own going

20:26

here. I mean, we talk journey.

20:26

We talked a little Hardline. But

20:29

tell me a little bit about I had

20:29

a question about your time with

20:32

Ozzy, because I thought I heard

20:32

you say, and then I was like,

20:35

Oh, maybe I misheard you, but I

20:35

looked it up. So you guys did do

20:39

some Songwriting with Bob

20:39

Daisley. Did his make the record

20:44

or because then I didn't see

20:44

that. They were credited. I was

20:46

confused. Yeah, I

20:47

you know, he

20:47

was there when we were. We were

20:50

writing stuff. It was myself,

20:50

Ozzie, Steve I and Bob Paisley.

20:55

And we were in New York writing

20:55

stuff. We're just writing

20:58

writing songs. Bob was there.

20:58

And then they ended up letting

21:02

Steve I go and kept Bob and I

21:02

there and then brought in some

21:05

outside writers, you know, and

21:05

then they realized, you know

21:08

what, we just need to get Zach

21:08

back. And so they brought that

21:12

back in. And Bob left. So I

21:12

don't know what he had

21:16

contribution wise. I know. He

21:16

wrote some lyrics. He did some

21:18

some, some writing in that

21:18

regard. But it was geezer that

21:22

came in and with myself and Zach

21:22

and dude, I remember Bob

21:27

Thompson, who is Aziz longtime

21:27

tour manager from from Blizzard

21:31

of us. And he made a comment was

21:31

it really hit us all he's like,

21:35

you know, this is probably the

21:35

best badass he's had since

21:38

Blizzard boss, which was just

21:38

humbling, you know, to hear

21:41

that. So, you know, I don't know

21:41

what Bob had to do with the

21:45

writing part of it. i All I know

21:45

is that they kept me on I was

21:48

grateful with for my tenure

21:48

there. You know, I got to work

21:51

with them for three years doing

21:51

a record and South American tour

21:54

and off to better things and

21:54

bigger things. So, you know,

21:59

songs that you guys

21:59

did with Bob, did you remember

22:02

if those made the record? Or

22:02

like, is there a recording of

22:04

those? Like, what the ones with

22:04

Steve Vai? Like, I just be

22:06

curious to hear that, like, that sounds?

22:09

I don't know if

22:09

Bob stuff made the record or

22:12

not, because I wasn't really

22:12

privy to who was writing and

22:14

what was writing at that time. I

22:14

mean, we were all just coming in

22:16

to here's a demo. Let's work it

22:16

up and play it but you know, the

22:20

stuff that viral was killer. I

22:20

mean, just just amazing. I you

22:24

know, I just I don't think that

22:24

that it was really all of these

22:28

things but visor genius. You

22:28

know, I mean, it's it's

22:31

undeniable there too, is a guy's

22:31

a genius, so can't put anything

22:34

past that guy for what he

22:34

contributed at that time. But I

22:38

think you know, as he was he

22:38

wasn't used to a certain thing.

22:41

And a set they enable us to

22:41

Zach. I think that Zach is like

22:45

like I am the journey. Zach's

22:45

the perfect guy for Aussie, you

22:48

know, after Randy rose. I think

22:48

there are a lot of great

22:51

guitars. But Zach put his stamp

22:51

on that thing and and made a

22:55

huge, you know, yeah,

22:57

what do you think

22:57

about him and Pantera? Like, I

23:00

mean, I think that's like a

23:00

great replacement for Diamond.

23:04

You can never replace time. But

23:04

if you're gonna try to do those

23:06

songs, he's the guy that you

23:06

would get, dude,

23:09

totally. I mean, I've only heard snippets, you know, online and stuff on

23:11

YouTube and stuff. I haven't

23:13

seen the concerts or anything

23:13

but oh, yeah, exactly did those

23:16

guys are they're all brothers.

23:16

You know, they all kind of do,

23:19

they did their stuff that I

23:19

don't know, Panthera and Ozzy

23:21

did shows together. But there's

23:21

always that guitar circle, you

23:25

know, every all the guitars know

23:25

each other. And they're all you

23:27

know, admiration for mutual

23:27

admiration, respect society, you

23:30

know, they all love each other.

23:30

And I think you know, Dak is the

23:34

perfect fit for that. I mean,

23:34

you know, they're going out on

23:36

the road. They're doing stuff

23:36

but I mean, who can replace a

23:39

dime? Not very many man dime

23:39

even meals that dime was a

23:43

freaking monster. So you know.

23:43

Oh,

23:46

really? Neil talks

23:46

about that's interesting. Oh,

23:49

yeah.

23:49

You don't you?

23:49

You know I've asked Neil about a

23:51

lot of guys. I actually took

23:51

Neil to Slipknot show. Why, you

23:55

know, he's like, I don't want to see this stuff, man. I'm not into that kind of music, bro.

23:57

Just come with me. You'll get

24:00

it. Your music and you'll get

24:00

it. And he wants to show he's

24:04

like, damn, these guys throw

24:04

down the new bars. A lot of guys

24:09

that you wouldn't think he does.

24:09

But Neil's an artist, he's a

24:11

musician. It's like telling

24:11

Picasso, you'll remember to tell

24:14

it because your paintings suck.

24:14

You know what I mean? It's hard

24:17

to do that. It's art. It's their

24:17

expression. And Neil gets it.

24:21

You know, and I think Tim root

24:21

and Mick Thompson love Neil. So,

24:25

you know, it was you saying I'm

24:25

a huge fan of Joey Jordison I

24:28

got arrested. So he became a

24:28

really sweet friend of mine and

24:31

and, you know, mutual admiration

24:31

society we would check together

24:35

and stuff. You know, I'm, you

24:35

know, huge fan of his work. I

24:37

mean, to me, there was a lot

24:40

of those kinds of

24:40

things where a lot of people

24:42

those heavier bands are huge

24:42

fans of Neil rock. I haven't had

24:45

a guy that was a thrash guitar

24:45

player. And he said he said one

24:48

festival with Neil shinies

24:48

telling some story about

24:50

security. He's like, who are

24:50

you? And they're like, he's

24:52

like, this is Neil Shaw. Like

24:56

that's the

24:56

thing Neil never got his do. I

24:58

really don't believe that

24:58

because As of journey, you know,

25:01

journey was a band. And Neil

25:01

even though he created the most

25:04

amazing solos on the planet and

25:04

melodies on the planet, people

25:08

never recognized him for the

25:08

shredder that he really was. He

25:11

was a blue shredder he wasn't

25:11

that was one of those, you know,

25:14

refeed frickin you know,

25:14

whatever those scales, were

25:17

there, you know, they're doing

25:17

sweeps and all that that wasn't

25:20

his style. But I'm telling you,

25:20

he burned it. When he played

25:23

bluesy to me he was the fastest

25:23

burn and blues player ever next

25:26

to bottom often. And Lucas are

25:26

those guys are the kings of

25:30

that. And Neil was the pioneer

25:30

of it. In my opinion, he was a

25:32

pioneer.

25:33

Well, and isn't too

25:33

it's a motion, right? Like you

25:37

can you can feel the emotion.

25:37

It's not just because I mean, no

25:40

offense, like Malmsteen or those

25:40

kinds of guys, but some of that

25:43

just seems like, you know, it's

25:43

like technical, but I'm not

25:45

really feeling the emotion from

25:45

that. Whereas with with Sean and

25:48

like slash and those kinds of

25:48

guys, it just feels like there's

25:51

more emotion involved.

25:53

It's from the heart. Do you that's what I love about Neil. I mean, I've played

25:55

with all those. The Shredder

25:57

guys, I've worked with a lot of

25:57

them. And they're all amazing in

26:00

their own right, but you've just

26:00

got this thing, man and it's a

26:03

gift from God. It really is,

26:03

man. I mean, when he throws

26:06

down, he throws down, but it's

26:06

got passion. It's got fire. It's

26:10

not just I'm gonna put riffs and

26:10

for riff sake, I'm gonna rip

26:13

this thing for rip and sake.

26:13

There's a there's a, there's a

26:16

method behind the madness. You

26:16

know, I'm saying and he praised

26:19

it. When you hear him play. It's

26:19

undeniable. It's like you have

26:22

that steel, Shawn. Yeah, I can

26:22

tell you play, you know, a bunch

26:25

of blues guitars that got that

26:25

same feel like oh, yeah, that's

26:27

Neil. I've worked with him for

26:27

so long, you know, but he's just

26:31

got something that nobody else

26:31

has, and never will have. Yeah,

26:35

he's never got his do and that,

26:35

in some ways that pisses me off

26:39

because he should have, you

26:39

know, when those trailer guys

26:41

came out, they rule the world,

26:41

man. They rolled the Sunset

26:44

Strip, but it was guys like Neil

26:44

that, you know, paved the way

26:47

and then playing those blues

26:47

riffs at warp speed dude, and

26:50

they're clean and they're

26:50

precise. And they got soul.

26:53

Amman, nobody touches it. No,

26:56

absolutely. Well, I

26:56

mean, we got to talk about more

26:58

about this new revolution saints

26:58

record. I mean, you've got quite

27:02

a couple of good players in this

27:02

band too. Jeff pilson, Joel

27:05

Hoekstra. And Alexandria, we

27:05

mentioned what is it like

27:09

playing with those guys and now

27:09

you get to be kind of the

27:11

frontman. And you're doing the

27:11

drums and the singing and so

27:14

it's your It's basically your

27:14

project, right? Like you call

27:17

the shots?

27:18

Well, I you

27:18

know, I Serafina really and

27:20

Alessandro kind of call the

27:20

shots, they write the music. I

27:23

mean, Serafino is the president

27:23

of frontiers. So he put he put

27:26

Jeff and Joel in when Doug and

27:26

Jack decided to leave. And, you

27:31

know, I'm a big thing about

27:31

chemistry and the chemistry has

27:34

to be right. And that was what I

27:34

was kind of concerned about was

27:38

like, Well, what, whoever we

27:38

get, you know, I gotta be able

27:40

to get along with them and they

27:40

gotta have a vibe, a good vibe.

27:43

And man, Jeff and Joel were no

27:43

brainers because I've worked

27:46

with them before in foreigner

27:46

with journey, and Whitesnake

27:49

with journey so I had

27:49

relationships with them. So when

27:52

they came in, dude, it was like,

27:52

Yeah, I love it. And the plane

27:55

dude speaks for itself. I mean,

27:55

Jeff is a prolific songwriter,

27:59

great singer, monster bassist,

27:59

and then Joel man. Ah, dude,

28:04

he's like John Sykes on steroids

28:04

to me, but he's just got that

28:07

thing. You know, just like Doug.

28:07

Doug has that thing. You know,

28:11

that, that raunchy guitars they

28:11

were Joel is a little bit more

28:13

smooth. You know, he's got more

28:13

of the smooth, he's got those

28:16

straighter riffs. But he's got a

28:16

lot of stone as well. So you

28:19

know, working with all of these

28:19

guys, dude was just, it's a

28:22

dream come true. He can't find

28:22

better players. And I wouldn't

28:24

want to play with better players

28:24

than what Doug and Jack brought

28:28

and what Jeff and Joel bring to

28:28

the table. They're monsters. You

28:31

know, I'm fortunate. You know,

28:31

I'm like the guy. That's the

28:33

least the least. What's the word

28:33

I'm looking for? accomplished at

28:38

their instrument? I mean, I'm

28:38

drumming one thing I can I know

28:40

I play drums. You know, I do

28:40

that. Really? Well. I'll keep my

28:43

day job. But thing and dude. I

28:43

need my forte. I'm still

28:47

learning. Still growing as a

28:47

vocalist. I I sound like Perry

28:51

because I've been in Germany for

28:51

so damn long. And Steve Perry

28:54

was my favorite singer. But it's

28:54

like, I'm trying to come into my

28:58

own and I'm starting to, but I'm

28:58

still a novice compared to those

29:02

guys that they're at their

29:02

instruments. Yeah,

29:04

well, so do you want it? Would you want to branch out and try to sing

29:06

something just totally

29:09

different? Like, would you or

29:09

even play drums or something

29:11

totally different, like do like

29:11

a jazz record or like something

29:13

totally like that? What

29:15

for me,

29:15

Jasmine. I swing like a break. I

29:19

don't got that thing. I mean,

29:19

Steve Smith is my all time

29:22

favorite drummer. I mean, of all

29:22

time. You know, I have a lot of

29:26

great influences. But Steve

29:26

really touched me and his

29:30

playing. I mean, in Germany,

29:30

it's undeniable. He's a frickin

29:33

animal. God, if you hear him

29:33

plays jazz stuff. It's like, I

29:36

can't do that. That's not what

29:36

you know. I was born a rock

29:39

drummer. And I get like a break.

29:39

I'm just like, Dang Dang. Dang.

29:43

Dang, dang, I don't got any soul

29:43

in that. That's just not what I

29:45

do. But you give me a rock track

29:45

and I'll tear it to shreds.

29:50

Yeah, how do you

29:50

pick? I'm not a drummer. So how

29:53

do you do? The drum fills like

29:53

the song. Oh, will I see you

29:56

again? On the new record. How

29:56

did you decide? That's a cool

29:59

drum for Oh, like, how did you

29:59

decide how to do that? Like, is

30:02

it just a feel? Or is it more of

30:02

like a strategy like, Okay, we

30:05

got to do it this way or the

30:05

producer helping you choose

30:07

that? No, dude,

30:09

you know what

30:09

it is? It's usually one. The

30:11

first take is the one we get.

30:11

And I just go, I don't think

30:14

about what I'm going to do I

30:14

play whatever comes out comes

30:17

out. And that's the beauty of

30:17

art, man. I mean, I never plan

30:21

things out. I know, Neil period,

30:21

used to tediously work on every

30:24

drum part. And you can tell

30:24

they're frickin masterpieces.

30:28

For me. I just fly by the seat

30:28

of my pants, bro. And if it

30:31

works, oh, man, I listen back.

30:31

I'll never be able to play that

30:34

again. You know what I mean?

30:34

It's like, it's a one time

30:36

thing, and I'll have to learn

30:36

what I did. So I've always been

30:40

that way. I've never really

30:40

thought about what I'm going to

30:42

do. I mean, there might be you know, there's drum beats, obviously. And certain films you

30:44

do, but like when I go for a big

30:48

film and stuff, I just go and if

30:48

it comes out great. And if it

30:51

does, like, okay, take to punch

30:51

me in. You know what I mean?

30:55

Yeah, you if you think about it,

30:55

you've

30:57

had some definitely

30:57

have you had difficult

31:00

producers. Like I know, it

31:00

wasn't the Ozzy, the producer.

31:02

That was kind of giving you a hard time and that's when he stuck out for you. Yeah,

31:05

you know,

31:05

Michael Beinhart who's a dear

31:07

friend of mine, I mean, very

31:07

different. He taught me a lot,

31:10

dude, he actually, he was gonna

31:10

get rid of me and get Jack irons

31:14

play on the record. And it was I

31:14

was playing with the band. I was

31:18

nervous. I'm playing with Ozzy

31:18

sitting there. You know, you got

31:21

Zach, you got geezer, and I'm

31:21

the new guy. Oh my god, god. So

31:24

I got nervous. So MicroFit you

31:24

know what, send the bed home.

31:27

And I said, Mikey, give me a

31:27

chance. I'm just last month, I

31:30

said, I said, Give me a chance.

31:30

I know the songs by heart. Okay,

31:35

give me the click track, turn it

31:35

on, I'll find that I'll find

31:38

where I'm at. And I'll turn it

31:38

off. And we'll just go. And I

31:41

did six songs in one take

31:41

without the band there, which is

31:44

my memory. And Michael was like,

31:44

there it is proud. There it is.

31:48

There it is. So I was having red

31:48

light fever, just having Ozzy

31:52

Osbourne in the frickin room,

31:52

you know, but after that, I

31:56

mean, Michael hired me for a

31:56

whole he hired me for a band

31:58

called foam. I did social

31:58

distortion with him. So I did a

32:01

lot of stuff. I was like his new

32:01

guy. And you know, Jack irons

32:04

was his guy for a long, long

32:04

time. And then I kind of did

32:07

what Jack did and Michael took

32:07

me to those records. And he's a

32:11

dear friend. And now his son

32:11

Marius is a drummer, I gave him

32:14

his son a drum set at like, six,

32:14

and the kid is ripping it to

32:18

shreds. He's a badass. He's

32:18

like, eight now. And he's just

32:21

he's tearing it up. No lessons,

32:21

just by heart. It's in him,

32:26

though. You know, Michael and I

32:26

are very close. But yeah, he was

32:28

hard on me. And it was good for

32:28

me. And it's helped me a lot.

32:31

Yeah.

32:33

Yeah. So like, what

32:33

is your advice for that? Like,

32:35

how do you make an impression

32:35

with these people, and continue

32:39

to get the gigs? Like I said,

32:39

like, Neil, Sean is so loyal to

32:41

you? And you know, working with

32:41

these people is it just continue

32:45

to try to improve when work with

32:45

them and not get let the ego get

32:49

involved? Because you could have

32:49

said, Screw you. I'm a great

32:51

drummer and walked out of there too, right?

32:53

You know what it was for me, bro. It's like, whatever the producer says,

32:55

goes. It's their vision, even

32:59

though it's our songs. The

32:59

producer has the vision. And

33:03

you've got to give this guy his

33:03

vision, you've got to realize

33:07

his vision, or it's not going to

33:07

work. And that's what I tried to

33:10

do. I tried to get into Michael's head and okay, what are you looking for, bro? What

33:12

do you want here? And he's like,

33:15

you know, I need the bass drum

33:15

to be a little a little behind.

33:18

Right? And I want you to pop the

33:18

snare a little harder. I wanted

33:20

to feel like that, like a

33:20

rocking horse. Almost. He taught

33:23

me a ton bro. So always advice,

33:23

play what the producer was there

33:28

was a drag on a journey record

33:28

that we were having a hard time

33:31

at Neil had a vision for it.

33:31

He's like, Man, I'm here on the

33:33

drums doing this. And John was

33:33

like, Nah, man, I'm thinking

33:37

Dino should do this. And I just

33:37

went Geister. heaven, heaven,

33:41

surely producers? What do you

33:41

want? He goes, we'll play

33:44

something. So I played a beat.

33:44

He goes, that's what I want. Lay

33:47

that. And that was it. Do what

33:47

the producer realize the

33:51

producers vision or you'll be

33:51

there all day long. And you'll

33:54

waste a ton of time and money.

33:57

Right? Let's get it. That's great advice. Unless you unless you're the producer,

33:59

you're self producing, then you

34:01

can do whatever you want. But exactly.

34:03

I always have just worked with producers they do. What do you want? I'm your

34:05

right hand guy. Tell me what you

34:07

want. I will give you what you

34:07

want. But you just got to tell

34:10

me I'm not a mind reader. So.

34:12

Right? So all the

34:12

great people you worked with and

34:14

what is your bucket list like

34:14

Cory Taylor. Oh, John Paul

34:17

McCartney and James Taylor.

34:17

Those who have eluded you?

34:21

Yeah, dude, I

34:21

mean, I you know, Elton John has

34:23

Nigel Lawson, who's a, an icon

34:23

and one of the greatest drummers

34:28

of all time, people don't know

34:28

it. They don't I mean, if you

34:30

really analyze Nigel's stuff on

34:30

like, someone saved my life

34:34

tonight or goodbye yellow brick

34:34

road. I mean, his playing is

34:37

phenomenal, and it's got a lot

34:37

of color. I'd love to work with

34:41

Elton John. Paul McCartney. Of

34:41

course, man. He's a Beatle all

34:44

day long if I could, but you

34:44

know, they got Abe Laboriel Jr,

34:47

who again, is the drummer

34:47

mustard drummer mustard

34:51

vocalist, James Taylor. I just

34:51

is near to near and dear to me

34:54

because when I was a little kid,

34:54

I can remember walking around

34:57

with a little am radios with the

34:57

one year Plug, you know, the

35:01

little head headphone thing. And

35:01

I listened to fire and rain on

35:04

the radio all the time. It was

35:04

one of my favorite songs as a

35:07

kid. And Corey Taylor. Just a

35:07

genius man. I mean, in my

35:11

opinion, spoken word stuff, the

35:11

books, he writes the lyrics and

35:15

I was, I would have loved to

35:15

been in stone sour, because

35:18

that's my wheelhouse do heavy,

35:18

heavy music with Melanie, you

35:22

know, and I would love to work

35:22

with him. Maybe someday I'll be

35:25

able to deal with any of those

35:25

guys.

35:27

he's got. Corey

35:27

Taylor has a solo band. Right?

35:30

Yeah,

35:31

Corey M and F

35:31

and Taylor. Which is great. But

35:35

you know, he's got his band. And

35:35

you know, I'm older than him.

35:38

You know, I'm I think I'm like

35:38

10 years older than he is. So

35:40

it'd be like, hiring grandpa to

35:40

plan his record. I don't think

35:42

he wants to go there. But dude,

35:42

I do it. I do it for free. I pay

35:45

him.

35:46

Wow. Okay. That's

35:46

it. We'll put that on the

35:48

universe. Yeah. I'll let you get

35:48

going in a minute. But I did

35:53

want to talk about this, because

35:53

I thought this was so cool. Tell

35:55

me about this work you're doing

35:55

with the prison population?

35:58

Because I think there's a really

35:58

important issue that's so often

36:01

ignored. And I think there are

36:01

two schools of thought. There's

36:04

some people who say, lock them

36:04

up and throw away the key. And

36:07

there's another school of

36:07

thought that says, let's let

36:10

everyone out prisons are

36:10

terrible. And I don't think

36:12

either one of those strategies

36:12

work. So what are you doing when

36:15

you go into the prisons? What

36:15

kinds of things are you talking

36:17

about?

36:18

Well, we haven't started it yet. We're gonna start in, in June, when I

36:19

have my time off before the Def

36:24

Leppard tour, but basically go

36:24

in there and play some songs,

36:27

you know, with my beat drum kit

36:27

thing, you know, you know, two

36:30

tracks. My my story, bro. I

36:30

mean, you know, because, you

36:34

know, I had a long, long issue

36:34

with drugs for years and years.

36:37

So it just kind of telling me

36:37

that there's hope you know, that

36:40

God can restore you. You know, I

36:40

mean, who in a million years

36:43

thought that after getting fired

36:43

from journey. After six years,

36:47

they'd bring me back, you know,

36:47

and it was just like, you know,

36:50

I had to focus on staying clean,

36:50

and I had my screw ups, I'd

36:52

relapse and screw up, in and

36:52

out. But, you know, I got it

36:55

today. And I'm grateful. And

36:55

that's just it just a man,

36:58

there's hope. You know, there's

36:58

hope in Christ in my you know,

37:00

that's, that's how I got through

37:00

it was through Jesus Christ. I

37:04

mean, I couldn't do it any other

37:04

way. I really had to just lean

37:06

on God. And, you know, here I

37:06

am. And that's all I'm saying is

37:11

that, you know, there's okay,

37:11

there's three thoughts on this,

37:14

you get jailed, institutions or

37:14

death, okay, I hit jail. I

37:20

didn't hit the institutions yet,

37:20

not the mental places. But I was

37:23

close to death, bro. So it was

37:23

one or two, one or two, either

37:26

jail or die. So, you know, thank

37:26

God, I didn't die. Because I was

37:30

doing drugs, it would have

37:30

killed an elephant. I was doing

37:32

some serious amounts of drugs. I

37:32

had a lot of money on my hand

37:35

and my hands and a lot of time.

37:35

So that is just going into and

37:41

giving them hope that you know,

37:41

when you're out, don't go back,

37:44

you know, and try and better

37:44

your life because I lost it all

37:47

do. I was I was making

37:47

bajillions I was doing great. I

37:50

was a partner in the band. I was

37:50

doing really well. I lost it

37:53

all. But I think,

37:56

ya know, the hope I

37:56

think is because, for me

37:59

personally, like when something

37:59

bad happens, I try to use that

38:02

as fuel to motivate me, whereas

38:02

I feel like some people and

38:06

yourself, including myself in

38:06

the past, where you use that as

38:09

a tailspin to go deeper and

38:09

further down. But if you can use

38:12

that to go you know what, I'm

38:12

going to use this as a

38:14

motivation to get back on track.

38:14

Exactly,

38:17

bro, I'm gonna come back. I'm grateful every day do you don't know what to

38:19

see what you what you've got

38:21

till it's gone. You know, the

38:21

old, Cinderella. And it's true,

38:24

man. I mean, I lost it all. And

38:24

to come back with open arms had

38:29

to say that. My separate ways.

38:29

Not grateful dude, every day, I

38:35

don't get the smile off my face.

38:35

To get a second lease on this,

38:38

you know, not just on life. But

38:38

with the band, you know, and

38:43

life. You know, just, I, you

38:43

know, my wife, and I've never

38:46

been better. Yeah, we have

38:46

arguments, but they're not drug

38:49

fueled anymore. You know what I

38:49

mean? So it's a great thing, got

38:53

my kids who respect me, oh, my,

38:53

my grandkids. And I found out

38:57

who my friends were definitely

38:57

found out who my friends are

38:59

when that happened, because 90%

38:59

of them scattered. A lot of

39:03

them, you know, just, you know,

39:03

I don't want to talk to me. So I

39:06

was grateful that I had a good

39:06

support system and great people

39:09

around me. So, I mean, that's

39:09

all I'm gonna do is just, you

39:11

know, tell him my story. And if

39:11

my story changes somebody's

39:14

life, then that's, you know, I

39:14

did my job. I got to give back

39:18

then. I mean, I'm good at two

39:18

things, being a musician and

39:22

using drugs, you know, sadly, so

39:22

if I can use my experience

39:26

rating, and hope to get people

39:26

off them or to curb them from

39:29

it, and to see that man, you can

39:29

do it, you can come back from

39:32

nothing. And from rags to

39:32

riches, you know, you know what

39:36

I'm saying? To rags to riches

39:36

again, it's like huge, bro.

39:40

Yeah.

39:42

Yeah, I love it.

39:42

Well, we got the journey tour

39:45

this summer. The Revolution

39:45

saints. A couple of songs are

39:47

out right now. When does the I

39:47

forget when the full record

39:50

comes out?

39:51

I gosh, I think

39:51

it's February 9 The day we start

39:54

our tour. Okay, we started

39:54

Biloxi, Mississippi, and we're

39:57

going until April 29. So yeah.

39:57

That's when the new record is

40:01

coming out to you guys. And

40:03

you still have not

40:03

done a lot of live shows with

40:05

revolution saints. Would that

40:05

ever be in the cards?

40:08

Yes, dude. I

40:08

mean, the thing that's always to

40:10

turn us into toward us with Jack

40:10

and Doug, are our schedules. We

40:14

were just too damn busy. I mean,

40:14

dead daisies work, man. They

40:16

don't play those guys work hard.

40:16

Night Rangers. Well, I mean,

40:20

that's Jack's baby. He's not

40:20

gonna walk away from that.

40:22

That's his. That's his baby. And

40:22

I've you know, my bread and

40:25

butters journey, you know, and

40:25

I'm my, my loyalty is to Neil,

40:28

you know, and John and the band,

40:28

so it gives us permit God we all

40:33

want to play. I mean, I would

40:33

love to do what I'm saying. If I

40:36

could be a frontman, I'm gonna

40:36

give it one shot, dude. We give

40:39

it one shot. And if I suck at

40:39

it, at least I said, You know

40:42

what? I gave it a shot, and I

40:42

suck. But at least I took off my

40:46

day job, I guess no play drums

40:46

all day long. That's it. That's

40:49

all I'm gonna give.

40:51

You sing Amazing. I

40:51

think you tell it. I think it's

40:55

definitely way above average. So

40:55

I don't think you'd have credit

40:58

but people can get on here, the

40:58

songs for themselves. A couple

41:02

of songs that are right now and

41:02

then the back catalogue is

41:04

available

41:04

to of course. Awesome, bro. Thank you, man. Thanks so much.

41:08

Nice to meet you.

41:08

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