The stats are in and they're not pretty. 53% of US Churches have not yet reached their pre-COVID numbers (Hartford Research, 2024) and 66% of US Churches are in some state of decline. And to that the recent report that pastors (and by extension, churches) are falling lower in the "We Trust You" polls and that spells T.R.O.U.B.L.E. At least part of the reason for the failures is that most of those in our pews are "Hobbyist Church Members" rather than sold-out disciples of Jesus Christ with a deep spiritual center. In this episode, Drs. Kris and Bill have a lively conversation about what it will take to raise YOUR church's S.Q. – it's Spirituality Quotient.