We get so tired of hearing pastors tell us how busy they are, but when we ask them what's keeping them busy, it's the wrong kind of busy. If you're too busy maintaining the status quo, putting out fires, chasing shiny squirrels, or playing Pastor Fetch, then you won't want to miss this episode. Drs. Kris and Bill have a lively conversation about prioritizing your New Year around the mission critical tasks of making disciples.

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