0:02

Megan McCain has entered the chat. Welcome

0:06

back to Megan McCain

0:08

has entered the chat

0:11

with me, Megan McCain

0:13

and you Miranda Wilkins.

0:17

We just, or I just interviewed Dr. Phil

0:19

McGraw who doesn't need an introduction, but he

0:21

has a new show on Merritt Street Media.

0:24

It's called Dr. Phil Primetime airs nightly at

0:26

8pm. It was a really interesting conversation if

0:28

I do say so myself, you

0:31

know, someone who has been on TV for 21 years. That

0:35

is wild. I could never be on TV

0:37

for 21 years. I would, my

0:39

brain would melt. You probably will be like, not

0:43

interviewing, not the same show for 21 years,

0:45

especially daytime. I

0:47

mean, that's a wild thing, but I just, it

0:49

was a really interesting interview and he's, like I

0:52

said, I really like his, as I told him,

0:54

his move into talking about more like current

0:56

events versus just like overall

0:59

health stuff. And

1:01

I like this new era. I'm, I'm

1:04

interested in buzzy subjects just like everybody

1:06

else. Yeah. It's very much like, like

1:08

having a conversation with like an older uncle or

1:11

like a relative because he has just kind of

1:13

like very common sense, down

1:15

home way of explaining things. And

1:17

it doesn't feel like being talked

1:19

down to or he's just some

1:21

kind of talking head repeating just

1:24

stuff, a PR company put together for him. He

1:26

doesn't feel overly produced. He just feels like this

1:28

is how I feel about stuff. I'm going to

1:30

explain it to you like you're my

1:33

neighbor and we can have a conversation

1:35

about it. It just feels very

1:37

cool. And something I don't think I even ever

1:39

told you is I didn't remember

1:41

this. I was talking to my mom about

1:43

who we were talking to today. And she

1:45

goes, do you remember when we went to

1:47

go see his show? And I totally

1:49

forgot. I must have been like, yes. Like

1:53

one of the, maybe the

1:55

first or second year his show was even in

1:57

production because it was 2002 or 2012. I

2:00

was still in high school and He

2:03

was filming on the Paramount lot here in LA

2:05

and my mom was a huge fan because of

2:07

his days on Oprah And she and I went

2:09

to go watch his show live in studio and

2:11

I had totally forgotten about it So it's like

2:13

30 years ago or no, that's a long time

2:15

ago. Yeah, that's amazing. That's so

2:18

funny I feel like a born

2:20

and raised Angelenos are so funny because you always have

2:22

stories like that Like I went to this I went

2:24

to that show I went to whatever so funny You

2:26

know one of the best parts about these kind of forms is you guys

2:29

get to talk to whoever you want about whatever you Want

2:31

so, you know, is there anything you want

2:33

to talk about or go over before we

2:35

get started? I

2:37

just keep thinking about I saw some

2:40

data yesterday that I showed a trend

2:42

line for RFK juniors polling Which was at

2:45

a peak in October at around 11% Maybe

2:48

it's a little more than that 12 13 percent

2:50

nationally and it's been on a slow Decline

2:52

to now around eight and seven percent which

2:54

is obviously very bad And if he doesn't

2:57

make 15% he

2:59

doesn't go to go to the debates So it's

3:01

kind of like crunch time and I blame his

3:03

VP pick. I'm gonna keep some Well,

3:05

I'm gonna say in a hand is a disaster What

3:08

kind of promo are they doing because I'm not

3:10

seeing them doing rallies doing

3:12

speeches doing media tours Like they're

3:14

not doing anything and especially not

3:16

together Why hasn't she

3:18

come on with us like why where where is

3:20

she what is she doing? I mean, I just

3:22

saw that she comes out like I've peeped people back

3:25

people magazine this week or something So she's

3:27

starting to like dip her toe into

3:29

the world, but it's is it too late? I

3:31

think it might be too late It's

3:34

just so strange to me to have

3:36

a candidate who you know I

3:39

don't believe our occasionally will be president but

3:41

someone who was gaining some momentum in with

3:43

independence And it's you know, we go back

3:45

in time. It's Ross Perot was a legitimately

3:47

independent candidate It could have become president it

3:49

is not out of the realm of possibility

3:52

But He's not campaigning anywhere except

3:55

California And then vacation destinations billionaires

3:57

go to. He is not. He

4:00

chose a deeply candidate who doesn't want

4:02

to campaign anywhere or do anything which

4:04

is just bizarre and what is the

4:06

message? discipline. I'm not sure what his

4:08

messages at this point other than anti

4:10

vaccine. I'm not Trump and I'm not

4:12

by the nice and very disappointed. I

4:14

was really curious to see where his

4:16

campaign was gonna go and if they

4:18

don't reroute like today like right this

4:21

moment Miranda then literally today like this

4:23

that yeah right right now today with

4:25

now or I ever met are here

4:27

right now. Yeah my they wanted us

4:29

to them for. Nasa, Esa, and else.

4:31

And just a weird it's like I'm

4:33

not running for president, but if I

4:35

were I wouldn't work. Apparently.

4:38

Get I mean Reality Checks. Nicole Shanahan

4:40

of our age. She's. And other

4:43

long haired. It's so thirty eight. Years.

4:45

No way in hell would I

4:47

say yes to some, I realize

4:50

president. Me: Either like I'd rather go up and

4:52

a hot air balloon. Snowed never go up and. Accept

4:54

that. We know how

4:57

often are things as explode snuff? There's not

4:59

a chance in hell would I ever say

5:01

yes to being the vice president? So does

5:03

I mean it when they would be more

5:05

qualified. Might. Be more clot

5:07

you would be more qualified. Know what? Starbucks?

5:09

yeah you know have like about and one

5:12

hundred bajillion dollars buys aren't enough Anthony I'm

5:14

honestly I wouldn't be but the on mosque

5:16

either so there was a lot of thing

5:18

muscular going on. Sites.

5:20

Ya know there's I don't think anyone benefits. I

5:23

think these had older beat like raise the age

5:25

of being the President's and then also put

5:27

a cap on how old you have can. Be.

5:29

To run for president you normally my age limits.

5:32

Higher and lower their. Needs to

5:34

be like a sweet spot right this moment.

5:36

depending on which poll you're looking at, Biden

5:38

is gaining a little bit like he is

5:40

momentum trending the right direction and Trump's is

5:42

trending in the wrong direction and I was

5:44

wondering if it sees court cases it's only

5:47

are reminded that Trump has so much baggage

5:49

and I want to say one more thing

5:51

and of such as because he wanted to

5:53

come on the show and were friendly. I

5:55

really think sore media news really deserve slight

5:57

like a revision know like sort of like

5:59

us. Like I think, like American culture

6:01

at large. These to give this woman

6:03

somewhere credit and some grace am I

6:05

really hit the way she's been treated.

6:07

what I'm talking a doctor felt I

6:09

had more time. I was gonna ask

6:11

him a question about daytime television and

6:13

exploitation and I was gonna say I

6:15

actually my strongest memory of something I

6:17

was ever a part of on television

6:19

that I'm embarrassed by, fought hard against

6:22

behind the scenes very hard. And last

6:24

and there's actually a meme meme making

6:26

a vomiting face on this actual shell

6:28

is having Michael have an article has.

6:30

To Deal and a very serious problem with

6:32

their i thought he was a crack. I

6:34

didn't understand why we were giving him so

6:36

much time and air. I didn't understand why

6:38

he was on the show instead of Stormy

6:40

it's an Arm in at. I had an

6:42

episode ah old co host of mine a

6:44

comparison to Jesus Christ and other you Killed

6:46

as a hero. Yeah, and then he went

6:48

Amazon. And. I saw he was a crook

6:50

just like I thought it was in the homes of that

6:52

their nose. the crook right after. I merits of got

6:55

good instincts about people who are you want a lot. Of

6:57

for it. All went down to yeah I

6:59

told you before she was arrested and stuff as

7:02

you as a con artist. Ah the great Elizabeth

7:04

Holmes where we're going have to whole episode with

7:06

someone about was the farms and I'm going to

7:08

tell the story about why I knew she is

7:11

full of shit and she was a con artist

7:13

mum for everybody else Yeah yeah we were always

7:15

very upset about or isn't off about as a

7:17

woman. Ah yes. Borrowers

7:19

are going with this around Eleven ever

7:22

undermine us ice? I hundred percent agree

7:24

with you, and I don't think it's

7:26

fair that she's like the only. Person

7:29

abiding by this gag

7:31

order. That. Every had been

7:33

players like Trump's Out and oh

7:35

Gettysburg and like a talking about

7:37

everything On to social and tissue

7:39

solid. Fell asleep twice, falling asleep

7:41

or a court. System

7:44

It has never seriously come on like a

7:47

story to be able to come on and

7:49

that are to age when I should I

7:51

go to Trial is my god anything I

7:53

want to know I might have less right

7:55

now everyone so fucking old. Story lines of

7:57

i do not always do is either Out.

8:00

Naps falling asleep in court. I saw Maggie

8:02

Haberman a cliff of her from New York

8:04

Times do I love on Cnn and she

8:06

was talking about how she saw him fall

8:09

asleep in court. No. was like everything is

8:11

a circus. Them from a bizarre get laid

8:13

dallek the far away is fucking presidential candidates

8:16

are worse than yours of hey wait so

8:18

see big It's because he's old. Because.

8:20

He was born in one thing because it or

8:23

to think he had a little bit of

8:25

the sundays gary's and he was up all night

8:27

and didn't get any sleep and then now

8:29

he's like in corners like he gets bored. i'm

8:31

an old I think it's hum combination of

8:33

that mother yeah my fair now. Than.

8:37

They personally and I will him at

8:39

all. So. Do.

8:41

You ever see him at the kind of guy who has anxiety.

8:44

Yes, Yes, I know what's

8:46

gonna happen apparently as a good chance of losing this case. Again

8:49

we to get away or on zoc about it

8:51

I'm but it's just another. An

8:53

ongoing and discipline falling asleep and courses and

8:55

they didn't even pick anybody like light up

8:57

the bath, the zebra like camping. Impartial Snoopy.

9:00

I would just like to say a member

9:02

of our team I hear and are show

9:04

was causing a jury duty and had a

9:07

ssssss you know funny Yeah we tied in

9:09

and I are about four. Olivia the I

9:11

tried to jury duty another member of our

9:13

team with it to people in the past

9:16

two weeks go to jury duty what's happening

9:18

and I said just say I am. I

9:20

work with Meghan Mccain and I agree with

9:22

her politics. You'll get right added during

9:25

the get right out. I've never used

9:27

mentioning about i'm either that or something

9:29

and if I get called a jury

9:31

did every like. I've got some things

9:33

to say you about Supply Alam Oh

9:35

god I'm I'm I'm Ah the police

9:37

were treated at our election system and

9:39

a lot in his country and global

9:41

as I just I were getting in

9:43

the national anthem I would immediately get

9:45

taken off. They'd be like goodbye. Delayed.

9:50

Get her out A yes? What you

9:52

want? Unbiased people? When I feel like I have

9:54

like ives all the opinions so I would they

9:56

be like get out of Harris I have something

9:58

to say that the need for. One time I went

10:00

to Hundred God. I never go to court though. I.

10:02

Had to go to jury duty and I only

10:05

got called in one time and they obviously like

10:07

they let everybody go before lunch that Will Farrow

10:09

was in the jury pool to which I. The.

10:11

Up Did you get called in for the trial or no? No.

10:14

No no way they they released everybody but I

10:16

yeah he was. he was hanging out so that

10:18

everyone left them alone him but he was like

10:20

on their phones but yeah it was. I was

10:22

of the nobody gets out of it. what have

10:25

we get label have to do enough in a

10:27

O J kind of situation that would be cool

10:29

in lockdown forever. But. Then I mean that would

10:31

get old. Bosses, I wanted to kill each

10:33

other. I. Would. Necessity

10:35

but everybody has to do it. Surging else you

10:38

want to add before we say goodbye and then

10:40

letter such. A

10:42

such a doctor Phil and then yeah I

10:44

agree shows a sleepless accept your cell and

10:46

then I'll watch out for the shelf. Stay

10:48

ignorant of. Welcome.

10:53

Back to Meghan Mccain has enters it

10:55

Sat. This is very exciting to have

10:57

the chance to interview someone who is

11:00

a me, not only a household name,

11:02

but American icon Dr. Phil Mcgraw. You

11:04

really need no introduction, but I have

11:06

one anyway. He has hosted the nationally

11:08

syndicated daytime talk show Dr. Phil for

11:10

twenty one seasons, a run that spans

11:12

three decades. He is out now with

11:14

a new book called we've Got Issues

11:16

How You can stand strong for America,

11:19

sanity and soul. And on top of

11:21

that, he has just launched his new

11:23

merits. Via A News and Entertainment

11:25

Cable Tv Networks Was flagship show is

11:27

Dr. Phil Prime Time. It airs nightly

11:29

at eight Pm Eastern. Dr. Phil thank

11:31

you so much! That's a mouthful for

11:33

coming on today. But Buffalo to

11:36

so you've moved. A lot of

11:38

work. You're very busy. Wrote.

11:40

What? As you say? longer? close to two

11:42

hundred issue to live where she barely dogs.

11:44

I. Have the guts or else

11:46

that you know, I feel like I've been

11:48

watching you literally my whole life. I mean,

11:50

isn't true, I'm Thirty Nine Bites. You know

11:52

you've just been so on television and in

11:54

as I guys for so long, twenty one

11:56

Seasons. I'm starting an entirely new show When

11:58

a new cable network. Merritt Street Media.

12:01

What are the differences between the old show

12:03

and this show and what made

12:05

you want to embark on an

12:07

entirely new television project? Thanks

12:13

for asking that because it's really

12:17

part of a journey

12:20

really. I did 21

12:22

years of Dr. Phil as everybody

12:24

knows it and that was over

12:27

3,500 shows and they really evolved

12:29

across time because I started in

12:31

2002 and

12:37

I remember right

12:41

before I started Roger

12:43

King who was you know the

12:46

I guess the King uh

12:49

convenient name of syndication.

12:52

When we were getting ready to take the show out

12:54

to market, he sat me

12:56

down and did an interview for the pitch reel and

12:58

he said all right so tell

13:00

me what this show is going to

13:02

be about and remember the first thing I

13:04

said was just

13:07

off the top of my head because I didn't know what he

13:09

was going to ask me. I said well I want to talk

13:11

about things that matter to people who care. I want

13:14

to deliver common sense usable information to

13:17

people's homes every day for free and

13:21

I really think that's kind

13:23

of been our

13:25

defining mantra across

13:27

all that time and when

13:30

you think about it I want

13:32

to talk about things that matter

13:35

to the people who care about those

13:37

things and that changed across

13:39

time. In 2002 there

13:41

wasn't really much of an internet there

13:44

were no social media platforms at

13:46

all. We

13:49

didn't have any smartphones so

13:52

when I started I could really focus on

13:54

family and marriages and

13:56

kind of individual functioning And

13:58

then along about oh. A Oh no.

14:01

Think. That's. When smartphone

14:03

shit. And everybody walks

14:05

around with a computer in their hand.

14:08

And. That really changed the game. I

14:10

think it was the biggest change in

14:13

our society since the industrial revolution. And.

14:18

It and when you think about it is those

14:20

phones and certainly as they are today. Is.

14:22

More computing power in our

14:24

hands. Then. When we put a

14:26

man on the moon. Their

14:29

this that powerful and it changed

14:31

everything. Of. Particularly.

14:34

For young people. That. Instead of

14:36

walking around with their head up looking around,

14:39

they started going around like this with their

14:41

head down. And they

14:43

stop living their lives and

14:45

started watching people live their

14:47

lives. and they started comparing

14:49

themselves to what they were

14:51

watching on. On

14:53

that little screen. And. And

14:57

sure enough, within the next year

14:59

to eighteen months. We. Set

15:01

off of the biggest spike in

15:03

anxiety, depression, and loneliness since records

15:05

had been killed and it just

15:07

kept getting worse. Though.

15:09

An unintended consequences that

15:12

technology. Really change

15:14

the the middle health path

15:16

of society. And. The it

15:18

impacted what I had to deal

15:20

with like I'd never. Cyber.

15:23

And bullying had never been used to

15:25

the sentence Together. Up Online

15:27

Predators. There was no such

15:29

thing as that before. online

15:31

scams didn't exist before. So

15:33

all of this stuff started

15:36

sweeping through. Society.

15:38

And I had to start dealing with all of that stuff.

15:40

It with them. So I did. And.

15:43

Now. After.

15:46

Dealing. With twenty one years of. Kind.

15:49

Of psychological familial. Of.

15:53

Parental. Marital, sorts of issues.

15:56

I. started seeing our requests

15:58

chains to the include a

16:00

lot of psychosocial issues, what's happening in

16:02

schools, what's

16:05

happening in terms

16:07

of the

16:09

zeitgeist of society

16:11

with people starting to get impacted by

16:14

a lot of narratives that

16:16

they hadn't heard before. And I started getting questions

16:18

about that. So it really made

16:21

me decide I need to start broadening

16:23

my guardrails to deal

16:25

with social issues, just psychological issues.

16:27

And so I decided

16:30

I needed a lot broader lane and a

16:32

lot different platforms. So that's kind of how

16:34

I wound up where I am today. I've

16:37

really been enjoying your work lately. And you

16:39

know, I've been watching you for a long

16:42

time, but you're really hitting, I think

16:44

a lot of the things people are really

16:46

talking about, really worried about in, you

16:49

know, everything from cultural issues to

16:51

health issues. And your new

16:53

book, we've got issues, is

16:55

called a guidance on how to restore our country's

16:58

societal health and power. I don't know if you

17:00

know this, but the number one movie in the

17:02

country is a movie called Civil War, which is

17:04

a sort of like dystopian a few years in

17:06

the future story about our country literally going into

17:09

civil war. There's lots of data that shows we're

17:11

more divided than we've ever been, we're more angry

17:13

at each other than we've ever been. How

17:16

do you counsel people and guests that

17:18

come on your show? And what advice

17:20

would you give about our country's societal

17:23

health and power? Because I really

17:25

worry about this, like I have two young girls who are

17:27

one and a half and three and a half. And this

17:29

is what worries me maybe more than anything else is how

17:31

divided we are. Well,

17:34

I think you're right to be concerned about

17:36

it. And I've got a grandchild that's three

17:38

and one that's two. And then

17:41

I've got a 14 year old and a 12 and

17:43

a half year old grandchild. And I really

17:46

think about that, maybe I think what

17:51

my teenagers, What

17:54

are they going to graduate into?? And What kind

17:56

of colleges are they going to find? If that's

17:58

what they? that's the road that's used. The

18:00

Take. And. Those little

18:02

ones. What? What's your degree last two

18:04

a the time they get out into the

18:06

world if weeks people in the past that

18:08

were on. Of because.

18:12

It. A is we do seem

18:14

to be terribly terribly divided and.

18:17

A think that. The.

18:20

Things that. With.

18:22

We seem to be most divided about.

18:25

I think are being sold.

18:28

Or. Debate the busy purposes or I don't

18:30

think that. If you

18:32

look at most of America. If.

18:35

If you look at the seventy percent the

18:37

to the middle. I

18:39

don't think that seventy percent is

18:41

is nearly divided. As

18:44

the activist. Would

18:46

cause us to believe. I

18:49

could be in the book. I call it the

18:51

tyranny of the friends. I think we've got a

18:53

lot. Of really

18:55

loud mouth activists. Pushing.

18:58

Narratives. That. Cause

19:00

division and cause people to think

19:02

that were a whole lot more

19:04

divided. On. Topics issues

19:07

then we really are.

19:09

People are trying to

19:11

rewrite history, Rewrite science,

19:13

rewrite biology, rewrite values.

19:16

And. Most of America I don't think

19:18

is buying into that, but they're not

19:20

standing up and speaking out about it

19:22

and that's what I'm saying. Stop trying

19:24

to get people to do is say

19:27

look, we gonna wake up to Giant

19:29

here. And push back or of

19:31

said look we're in a cultural war. And

19:34

you can't be a non combatant. Ah,

19:37

and of I'm not trying to

19:39

create. A. Battle. I'm just

19:41

trying to create people that stand up

19:43

and say. That's. Not

19:45

right. That's not true and

19:47

I don't buy into that.

19:49

So move along. Up.

19:52

As makes it. Even when

19:54

when I see some of these activists

19:56

talking and. They. The transgender

19:58

Community for exam. I

20:01

don't think so. You could represent the

20:03

transgender community or know so many transgender

20:05

people that have been almost show over

20:07

the years. Who. Tell me. I.

20:10

Don't think like that and I wish they

20:12

would shut up. The another

20:14

with I don't think the Us rep

20:16

I'm of of the of the group

20:18

at large. I think we discuss some.

20:21

Really radical activist.

20:24

That. Have a big megaphone and

20:26

they're out there trying to. Create.

20:29

A lot of attention annoys the not

20:31

out of. I. Really don't think

20:33

that they represent the groups as I

20:35

used for poor to represent. The.

20:38

Auto know that were as divided as

20:40

some of the activists would lead people

20:42

to believe. Will one

20:44

of them to have that he has brought

20:46

up to something net on the promise of

20:48

my shell is like winners Everyone talking that

20:51

my group chats and one thing that has

20:53

really been exploding with my mom, friends and

20:55

I as gender affirming Here for minors I

20:57

have two small girls as I said on

20:59

this is brought up all the time in

21:01

my in my chats and it was announced

21:04

last month that England's health services going to

21:06

stop prescribing puberty blockers your jade transgender kids

21:08

because quotes to science. This isn't fair and

21:10

yesterday the Us Supreme court intervene for the

21:12

first time. On the issue of transgender

21:15

health treatment. By allowing Idaho it to

21:17

enforce ban on gender affirming care, Am

21:19

I a very simple question for you?

21:21

Because I don't understand this issue at

21:24

all in the sense that I just.

21:26

I don't trust someone who is under

21:29

eighteen to buy cigarettes or to vote,

21:31

so I don't understand how we can

21:33

possibly make this a giant decision. like

21:35

giving someone puberty blockers and stopping a

21:37

girl from being able to procreate and

21:39

have children. What is the difference between

21:41

the science in England vs decides the

21:43

United States of America? If British scientists

21:46

are saying science doesn't add up there,

21:48

but it does add up here. Will.

21:53

Put up a birds us at him. Of.

21:56

His. if you say can

21:58

breathe through my years because i don't

22:00

a breath just interrupt me and stop

22:03

because I get wound up about this.

22:06

No I genuinely am very, I want to talk about

22:08

this. I haven't actually talked about it on my show

22:10

enough and I'm

22:13

really very concerned. I'm very worried and I'm

22:15

very concerned as I think anyone with young

22:18

children is. Well first

22:20

off, gender affirming care is

22:22

a marketing term. Okay, that's

22:25

a marketing term. Gender affirming care.

22:29

We're talking about sex reassignment

22:31

procedures here. This

22:34

isn't gender affirming care and I

22:38

did a show that aired, gosh,

22:41

Wednesday maybe of last week and

22:45

I know I put up a

22:48

little teaser about it on the

22:50

internet and I

22:52

think it got over 10 million views in

22:55

24 hours about this very thing because I

22:57

had two whistle blowers on. One

23:00

was a doctor from

23:02

Texas Children's Hospital, one

23:05

of the biggest children's hospitals and

23:07

the other was a woman

23:10

that I

23:12

believe her training is social work although

23:14

she was working in various

23:17

capacities at a

23:21

clinic that provided these services in

23:23

St. Louis and

23:26

she in particular was

23:28

talking about the fact

23:31

that she said we're

23:33

just lying to patients. She

23:35

said I know this because I'm the one

23:37

that was doing the lying. I

23:39

was the one that was told to do this and she said well what

23:41

were you lying about? She said well we

23:44

were told to lie about how

23:46

many detransitioners were coming back, how

23:49

many people we had coming back

23:51

saying I don't want to do this, I

23:54

want to stop the hormone

23:56

suppression Protocol

23:59

I'm on. I want to stop the test

24:01

on Austro block of them on a this

24:03

the surgery has been a disaster other at

24:05

this is horrible of I want to do

24:07

it. I. Was told a lie about.

24:10

The. Degree: The degree and

24:12

severity, frequency and severity of

24:15

complications, Ah, that we

24:17

were dealing with. Of

24:19

when people would call back and say i have

24:22

a want to stop this we were to tell

24:24

him you can't do that. We. We

24:26

have to stay with the Us and we were just

24:28

lying to people that. There were

24:30

problems with this event. She

24:32

said it was absolutely barbaric

24:34

what we were doing and

24:36

with these young girls. That.

24:39

Were taking testosterone and

24:41

a hormone suppression chemicals.

24:43

Were having such problems

24:46

and so many lesions.

24:49

On. The uterus. They were

24:51

just bleeding out. We were having

24:53

go into emergency surgery and it

24:55

was just brutal and. But.

24:57

I just couldn't take it anymore and

25:00

so of I'm here to tell the

25:02

truth and. Are of

25:04

in a studio audience a lot about

25:06

two hundred fifty people in. A.

25:09

Hobby or alerted him at one point

25:12

and to they were absolutely and shock.

25:14

Ah the doctor from Texas Children's saying.

25:17

That. The hospital had made a statement.

25:19

A public statement. It said you were

25:21

going to stop these procedures. Are.

25:23

Until there's clarity with regards to

25:25

the law here in Texas and

25:28

he said they made that statement

25:30

and I have records here. Of.

25:33

Rome. Many. Procedures.

25:35

That were secretly scheduled after

25:37

that. With. Shows him

25:39

to bring hormone live and they are

25:42

all these different types of procedures they're

25:44

just flat lying to people end up

25:46

and they tried to accuse him of

25:48

violating hippo but all the records of

25:51

of properly redacted he was it revealing

25:53

anything other than the age. And.

25:55

Sex and Procedure Will only identifying

25:57

information was gone. And.

26:01

What? We're seeing a lot of talk

26:03

about this and we've got issues. Were

26:05

a say. Look, I'm not a physician

26:07

though. You have to take

26:09

what I say. put it in

26:11

a proper context. Amount of Physicians

26:13

and the American. Medical

26:16

Association, The American Academy of

26:18

Pediatrics, The American Increases in

26:20

the criticizing The American Psychiatric

26:22

Association, American Psychological Association of

26:24

All signed off. On.

26:27

These procedures for minors. An.

26:30

Essay Solos Are all these medical?

26:33

Except for American Psychological Always Medical

26:35

Association's have endorsed the Us. And.

26:38

I'm over here. Not a physician

26:40

telling you. They're. Wrong. As

26:43

history is not going to be kind

26:45

to them and. The American

26:47

Medical Association endorses it. But.

26:50

I said they're also the people at

26:53

one point said you should smoke to

26:55

help handle your anxiety so they don't

26:57

always make the best recommendations but when

26:59

you look at at. The.

27:03

The European countries are built

27:06

Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, England you.

27:08

If you look at at

27:10

these countries they have all

27:13

conducted research with good size

27:15

samples. Or. And

27:17

they have stopped performing these

27:19

procedures. Some of the studies.

27:22

Did. The testosterone

27:24

and hormone suppression. Ah,

27:27

Procedures Some surgical. And.

27:29

The others. Are they

27:32

did just psychotherapy? And

27:35

follow them in a barely

27:37

longitudinal. Of. Protocol.

27:39

And at the end, there was no difference. Or

27:42

it doesn't make any sense you've got

27:44

kids can't use was pajamas to live

27:46

like. To. Sleep in the can.

27:49

Ah, Choose what they want for

27:51

dinner but they can choose. That.

27:54

That they want to change their gender

27:56

in an unalterable way. And

27:58

they say this is reversible Notes: There

28:02

are serious complications if you try to

28:04

reverse this and go back the other

28:07

way. Dr.

28:09

Phil, I was

28:11

a big gay marriage advocate.

28:14

I have a Trevor Project Award. I've been nominated

28:16

for a GLAAD Award. And about 10 years

28:18

ago, it was very easy for me to just

28:20

say, I want members of

28:22

the LGBT community to have the

28:24

same rights I do, marriage, equality,

28:26

fairness in the workplace, simple. And

28:29

then in the past, I would say five years, really

28:32

starting with Leah Thomas. I

28:35

have had a lot of questions.

28:37

I've been uncomfortable with the conversation

28:39

about trans people and sports, trans

28:41

women and sports in particular. I think it's having young

28:43

daughters. And then I've been just more

28:45

and more comfortable with the inclusion

28:48

of minors that my young children,

28:50

again, who anyone who has young

28:52

kids knows that they're vulnerable and

28:54

you have to help guide them.

28:57

And I do feel like the culture is shifting

28:59

in a way where I'm going

29:01

to be considered transphobic because I'm not OK

29:03

with so much of this. I'm

29:06

really grateful that you have touched this third rail

29:08

because we're going to put this on YouTube. We

29:10

may be deplatformed simply for having this

29:13

conversation. Why is it that

29:15

this specific issue, even just talking is

29:18

something that automatically gets you blackballed? We should

29:20

have conversations. We're talking about sterilizing children, the

29:22

potential of a young kid not being able

29:24

to have kids. I didn't know I wanted

29:26

kids until I was about 34. If

29:30

I had been able to make a decision when I

29:32

was younger, I would have thought I'm never having kids.

29:34

It's fine. Sterilize me, whatever. So I just don't. It's

29:36

very confusing for me right now to see where this

29:38

has gone. And when you're talking about this

29:41

being like a minority issue, I would just like to

29:43

hear your insight on that because I know you've done

29:45

a lot of shows on the subject. Well,

29:48

I have. I think that

29:50

the community really

29:54

alienates A

29:56

lot of allies, actually, by

29:59

going. Too far. I

30:01

have not one problem. With

30:05

the transgender community. Are

30:08

living. As they choose.

30:12

Whom I have? Who am I to? Tell.

30:14

Somebody how how they live.

30:17

I don't I have a lot

30:19

of friends. And I'm

30:21

talking double digit. Of that

30:23

I've come to know over the last

30:25

twenty years. Through. The show.

30:28

Or that lives that

30:30

as transgender. And. They're

30:33

hard working people are. Real

30:36

nice folks. lot are of for a home

30:38

on Tell him think they need to do

30:40

I have a better problem with whatsoever. And.

30:44

I think a lot of people are that way. I

30:47

feel. Like. But. The.

30:49

Problem comes when the activists come

30:51

in and say. It's.

30:53

Not enough that. You.

30:56

Don't have a problem with what we're

30:58

doing. I these you to stand up

31:00

and declare. Affirmatively.

31:02

That we're right and sciences

31:04

wrong. Your. For a long

31:06

time. And I say

31:08

this is it in the book when I go to that

31:10

part I said look. I'm going

31:12

to try to explain this as not in a.

31:16

Not. In a sarcastic way Nadia know

31:18

straw man way. Of I've

31:20

I've read everything I could get

31:22

my hands on. And.

31:24

Is my understanding that for the longest time.

31:27

Their position was. Tax.

31:30

Was defined chromosome? really?

31:32

And. Of. A

31:35

defined at birth with external

31:37

genitalia and and chromosomes before

31:40

that. It's. Only recently

31:42

that they've taken the position that

31:44

sex is assigned at birth, not

31:46

defined at birth, assigned at birth

31:49

and can be reassigned later. A

31:52

don't think that was their position

31:54

until just recently. Us: Yvonne: Wrong.

31:57

Then. It's that is.

32:00

That couldn't find it or. But.

32:02

That's how I read it and if I'm

32:04

wrong and send me something and correct me.

32:06

Of. But. Where.

32:09

I. Have a problem is if they

32:11

need me to stand up and say

32:13

there are more than two sexes. Are.

32:16

Built. That that's where you lose me. A

32:19

Biology has been very clear for a long

32:21

time. There. Are two sexist?

32:23

Or understand that there are anomalies with

32:25

intersex? And that's really what I'm talking

32:27

about. Generally speaking. There.

32:30

Are two sexes and when

32:32

you. When. You get in. The.

32:34

He gets a group. Or. At least

32:37

this activists and groups I know I need

32:39

you stand up and declare that's not true.

32:42

Then. I I I can't go there but do

32:44

what you want to do and I had a

32:46

don't have an issue with that at all. Of

32:49

and I'll fight for your right to do

32:51

that. But if you ask me to declare

32:53

science is wrong and you're right, I won't

32:55

do that. But you're You're running off A

32:58

good advocate. If you ask,

33:00

if you just try to push me into say

33:02

something. I had Doctor Carol Hooven on my show.

33:05

A wonderful woman professor at Harvard

33:07

University went to Harvard and she

33:09

became a professor there. Of

33:12

and she was working in

33:14

genetics and. Have. A

33:17

different feels like he had always described

33:19

as so My head. Of

33:21

but she came on talking about transgender

33:24

athletes. And. Leader Thomas

33:26

you you mentioned n one a compassionate

33:28

woman. What you should talk to her

33:30

sometimes she's just wonderful. Of

33:32

and we had a. A woman who

33:35

had. Had. Transitioned to live

33:37

as a transgender mail. And.

33:41

When I came to Doctor Proven to

33:43

talk about. All. Of this

33:45

can you transition? From.

33:48

Male to express younger female and

33:50

compete in athletics. Before.

33:52

She got to that this. Woman:

33:54

and had transgendered had transition to

33:57

a male. or

33:59

she was so emotional.

34:01

She, she teared up and

34:03

spoke to this, this

34:06

individual and said, I'm so happy for you.

34:09

Because you seem so comfortable in your skin, you've

34:11

found your place. And I just, I just I

34:13

love that for you. And I'm so happy for

34:15

you. Most

34:18

non judgmental person you can imagine. And

34:20

then it came to her and she said,

34:23

Okay, so with regard to elite athletes and

34:25

being able to level the playing field, not

34:28

going to happen. She said,

34:30

I did a meta analysis of I think

34:32

50 something articles, I looked at

34:34

every possible

34:37

parameter you

34:39

could look at. And you

34:41

can take testosterone blockers, you do whatever you want,

34:44

but you're not ever going to get to

34:46

level, they're always going to have

34:49

an advantage in elite athletics. So

34:52

maybe in swimming, you'd get within 10% or

34:55

something. But did you have to

34:57

understand you measure, like elite

34:59

swimming, it comes down sometimes to a

35:01

tenth of a second or a hundredth

35:03

of a second in a two minute

35:05

race. And so 120 seconds 10% would be 12 seconds. But that

35:08

means the transgender

35:12

is going to be standing there

35:15

tasting their swimming cap and goggles off,

35:17

while the other person's still half a lap

35:20

behind. It's such an advantage,

35:22

you'll never get it equal. They

35:25

labeled her transphobic and a hater

35:28

and drummed her out of Harvard

35:30

after 20 years, because of what

35:32

she says about that. She

35:34

was on my show and Fox and

35:37

friends saying the same thing. And they

35:39

drummed her out after 20 years labeling

35:41

her transphobic, just for reporting the science.

35:43

And this is a woman who was

35:45

in tears happy for a transgender individual

35:47

in front of her finding a

35:49

safe place to feel good about who they were.

35:52

And so compassionate

35:55

and drummed her out of Harvard in a

35:57

matter of weeks, just for

35:59

speaking out about What a the

36:01

science indicated. Let's. See

36:03

or though as they once you talk about

36:06

this you will be black balls and have

36:08

your livelihood remove. That mean even for me.

36:10

One of the things that I have found

36:12

most. Hard and insulting is being

36:14

called a birthing person or just feet are

36:16

on. I had very hard burse I had

36:18

murdered Cc sexual. My first daughter was very

36:20

hard for me to breastfeed. When I finally

36:22

got it I was so proud I brought

36:24

pumped everywhere at work I breast pumps on

36:26

the road. I am so proud of him

36:29

out sorry to give you tear my Dr.

36:31

Phil and so proud of giving birth and

36:33

breastfeeding. I'm really proud of as is a

36:35

hard thing to do. I am not As

36:37

has theater and I'm not a birthing percentage

36:39

and I don't understand why in this movement

36:41

things have to be taken from women. At

36:43

the same time and I think that's where

36:46

the movement at least is leaving mates and

36:48

I want everyone to feel respected and gil

36:50

valued and had the same rights and society

36:52

as I do. I just don't want to

36:55

feel like my experiences as a woman are

36:57

being removed and that's been very very hard

36:59

for me and I feel very liked at

37:02

Does It hatched from a community the I

37:04

used to once feel. Leaking.

37:06

What embraced by as much as a conservative person can

37:08

buy it's I really really literally do the entire episode

37:10

on that but I it's a D one a move

37:13

on unless you something else you would to add. No.

37:16

No, no role be so that was

37:18

a of everybody. I wish everybody success

37:20

or wish everybody will have harbored no

37:22

ill will towards the community at all

37:24

have stood up for them time and

37:27

again. Will continue to. Our

37:29

much loot one libel where. We

37:32

know that there's a huge decline in mental

37:34

health and America. I think it's probably one

37:36

of the biggest epidemics and a lot of

37:39

it is driven by women and girls. Can

37:41

you explain to me like has I don't

37:43

really understand others and as you noted earlier,

37:45

a social media's impact. I

37:47

do say social media has a lot to do with

37:50

it. And it's

37:52

not sure that are think there are

37:54

some other factors that I can talk

37:56

about but. i think one

37:58

of the things that We

38:00

have to take a look at is how

38:04

we're educating or not and

38:06

how we're parenting This

38:09

generation when you talk to

38:11

employers today they

38:13

will tell you straight up and The

38:17

statistics bear this out that

38:19

the last people they want to hire are Gen

38:22

Z And you say

38:24

well, why is that so well only they

38:26

they don't want to work They

38:28

come in with demands. They have an

38:30

entitled attitude. They are super

38:32

smart They're

38:35

very intelligent They

38:37

catch on quick. They can

38:40

master technology quick they're

38:44

really bright but

38:47

they simply don't want to work you

38:49

see these movements like quiet quitting and

38:53

of these these

38:55

these groups that Talk

38:59

about lazy jobs and

39:01

all these different things that have

39:04

to do with why bother They're

39:07

just going to use you and abuse you

39:09

so we should do the least we

39:11

can to get by and and

39:14

employers know this and they see it

39:16

and the the

39:20

the female side of it They

39:23

we have more females

39:27

on campus now than we do males, which is

39:29

a flip-flop Across

39:31

the last couple of generations. It used to

39:33

be more males than females in college now.

39:36

It's more females than males in college but

39:40

the Value

39:43

system the mentality has

39:45

changed To

39:47

where the the sensitivities

39:49

and the sensibilities Towards

39:54

an entrepreneurial spirit and a

39:57

willingness to really

39:59

take a initiative and hustle and work

40:02

has really been eroded because

40:05

a lot of the values being taught

40:08

are aimed towards

40:11

a quality of outcome, not

40:13

a quality of opportunity, but a quality of

40:15

outcome. And when you start

40:18

thinking in those terms and focusing

40:20

in those terms, it

40:22

really erodes motivation and it really

40:25

erodes the

40:28

spirit of initiative and entrepreneurship.

40:32

And once that happens, you start

40:34

getting a mentality

40:37

of a

40:39

new victim class, of victimhood

40:42

and people start looking to the

40:44

government to take care

40:46

of them, the government to provide

40:48

for them. And that

40:50

erodes self-esteem and self-image

40:53

and self-initiative and

40:55

self-governance. And when all of those things go

40:57

down, then people aren't going to feel as

41:00

good about themselves. They're waiting for

41:02

somebody to come in and do things for them.

41:05

And that's true of different

41:07

classes. It's true

41:09

of males versus females.

41:13

And they've been peddled this idea

41:15

that it's a patriarchal society. And

41:18

so they're being victimized. And

41:21

they're being as victimized as they want to be

41:24

because that doesn't have to be the case. And

41:28

I think when

41:31

you look at the actual numbers, like I

41:33

say, what's their college

41:35

opportunity and what's

41:37

available, then there's

41:39

a great track to run on. But

41:42

I'm afraid that they've been poisoned

41:44

in their thinking. And this

41:47

is the first generation that is

41:49

predicted to not do as well as their parents.

41:53

And so I think a lot of them think, what's

41:55

the point? We're not going to be

41:57

able to get a house. We're not going to be able to have a mortgage.

42:00

for a home and be able to do

42:02

the things that our parents

42:04

did. So why

42:06

bother? And I think that's pretty

42:08

depressing if you take that mindset.

42:12

It's really depressing and I really worry about

42:15

it, but I agree that things

42:17

feel not as hopeful as we talked

42:19

about at the beginning of the show.

42:22

Um, and at the same time, there's

42:24

really interesting people that like are successful

42:26

in a way that fascinates me. And

42:28

a lot of these people are successful

42:30

because you gave them a platform. So

42:33

I just want to go over it.

42:35

When I was doing research, you've had

42:37

some like really huge shows, Bad Baby,

42:39

the Catch Me Outside Girl, Octomom, uh,

42:41

Intervention with a Real Housewives of Beverly

42:44

Hills star Kim Richards, the sexy vegan

42:46

guy who was arrested, Riley, a man

42:48

who thought he wrote Taylor Swift songs.

42:50

Do you have a favorite guest? Uh,

42:52

do you, do you tend to lean

42:54

toward like the more wild type of

42:56

guests? Like of all of it,

42:59

cause again, you've done, you've done over 3000 shows. You'll

43:01

probably do 3000 more. Like of all

43:03

these people, is there anything that sticks out

43:06

to you that you're surprised how much the

43:08

American public has grabbed onto their story? You

43:13

know, some stories stick

43:15

out because they're noisy and you never know

43:17

that until you do, you

43:20

never know what everybody's going to say until you do the

43:22

shows, the ones that

43:24

stick out to me, um, are

43:28

the shows where I have

43:30

an opportunity to speak for

43:32

someone that doesn't have a voice.

43:35

Um, and that oftentimes

43:38

means, uh,

43:40

children. Um, I

43:43

can't tell you Megan, how many times I've

43:46

had children on, um, where

43:50

I thought, you know, these parents

43:52

are in a custody battle and they're fighting back and

43:54

forth and I'm just sitting there thinking, you know, if

43:58

these kids who are seven. eight,

44:00

nine years old. If

44:02

they could, you know they would

44:04

just stand up and say, will

44:06

you people just shut up? Will

44:09

you just shut up? Please

44:11

shut up. And

44:14

I always enjoy if

44:18

I have an opportunity to

44:20

give a voice to those that don't have one,

44:23

where I can speak for them and say, look, you

44:26

guys are running all this agenda, but

44:29

understand something. Every

44:31

time you do this, your

44:33

kids pick up the tab for it. And

44:36

if I when I can get

44:39

them to recognize the high

44:41

cost of doing what they're doing and how

44:43

much the kids have to pay for that

44:46

and can actually get them to stop, actually

44:48

get them to change what they're doing and

44:50

take the kids out of the middle, for

44:54

example, or if they're doing drugs

44:56

and their kids are coming in and

44:58

finding them on

45:00

the couch drunk or zoned

45:03

out on drugs and I can actually

45:05

get them into treatment and get them

45:08

healthy and happy and reunify that

45:10

family. Those

45:12

are the shows that kept

45:14

me coming back year after

45:17

year after year. You know,

45:19

some show was sexy

45:21

vegan or something comes in turns out

45:23

to you

45:26

know be noisy or something that you know

45:28

that might be an attention getter, but the

45:31

ones that matter are the ones where you

45:33

can actually change the course of a family,

45:37

change the trajectory of a kid or some

45:39

kids and give them a chance that they

45:41

wouldn't have had otherwise those are the ones

45:43

that matter. Are

45:45

you surprised by Bad Baby's success? I

45:48

was looking up dad on her she

45:50

has 16 million Instagram followers, 7.6 million

45:52

YouTube followers, 6.8

45:54

million TikTok followers, household name Forbes

45:56

magazine said she made 49 million

45:58

dollars in 2015. Are

46:00

you surprised by that? Oh,

46:05

nothing surprises me anymore.

46:07

I mean, in this

46:09

internet environment, nothing

46:11

surprises me anymore. Can

46:15

I ask you about cancel culture? I

46:18

think it's very hard to do the kind

46:20

of work that we do in the time

46:22

of cancel culture. I know you're working with

46:25

Chris Harrison, who I've always really liked and

46:27

enjoyed when he was hosting The Bachelor and

46:29

Bachelorette. Do you think that cancel culture is

46:31

over? Do you think that time of intensity

46:33

where we were just trying to ruin

46:36

people's lives and pull them off their platforms for saying

46:38

the wrong thing, do you think that time has passed

46:40

now? I

46:43

do think the pendulum is starting to swing

46:46

back some. I

46:49

think it got so bad that the

46:52

cancel culture was starting to cancel each

46:54

other, which I thought

46:56

was kind of comical. But

47:02

you know, and

47:05

we've got issues. I talk about George

47:08

Orwell's 1984. And

47:12

I don't know if you've read that book. It

47:14

was written in 1948. Think

47:18

about that. Two

47:20

years before I was born, 1948, and

47:23

he talked about how

47:26

people would be unpersoned

47:30

because they said the wrong thing or

47:32

they embraced the wrong

47:34

values. They

47:37

called it unpersoned, and

47:39

we call it canceled. They

47:43

talked about they had the ministry

47:45

of truth. I

47:47

think it's what they called it, but they

47:49

had certain words they could use and

47:52

certain words they couldn't. And

47:54

people love to be told what words they could use, so

47:56

they didn't have to make any decisions. And

47:59

look at what happening with us. You

48:01

know, we've got the First Amendment which guarantees

48:03

us free speech, but

48:07

it's not the government

48:10

that's stepping on

48:12

our free speech. We're muzzling each

48:14

other through this cancel culture. We have

48:16

all of these words that you can't

48:18

use anymore. I have

48:21

a friend that's a college professor and a

48:24

student brought him a project. They were supposed to

48:26

come up with projects and and

48:29

so they were coming by his office and showing him

48:31

projects and he was looking at us and he said,

48:34

yeah, I mean, this is pretty good, but that's kind

48:36

of lame. And I think this you could maybe do

48:39

this a little bit better and it would be interesting. That

48:42

student went to the dean and

48:45

complained that he used the

48:47

word lame and

48:50

that that was offensive to

48:52

ableist. And that

48:55

professor got suspended for I

48:58

think 30-60 days because

49:01

he said, no, no, that's kind of lame.

49:03

Let's try this. Now,

49:06

this guy wouldn't offend anybody if you

49:08

held a gun on him. But

49:11

because he used that word, they said,

49:13

you know, that's you

49:15

have offended this community. You

49:18

can't use the word brainstorm. Let's

49:21

get together and brainstorm this because that

49:23

offends people with brain

49:26

injuries. I heard

49:28

a story about someone being fired for saying, let's

49:30

powwow. Yeah, like in

49:32

an email. I mean,

49:35

come on. We need cancel

49:37

culture, not cancel culture. What? Wonder

49:39

what would happen if somebody

49:43

sent an email like that and

49:46

the recipient said, hey, this

49:49

probably hadn't occurred to you, but someone

49:54

that was

49:57

indigenous might think

49:59

that was offensive or condescending. Just thought I'd

50:01

mention it to you and think about it

50:03

if you want to or whatever. I wonder

50:08

what would happen if we had that

50:10

attitude instead of going after somebody and

50:12

getting them fired. Cancel

50:14

them instead of cancel them. Just saying

50:16

hey, you probably never thought of this

50:18

but just thought I'd put

50:20

it on your radar and do with it as

50:22

you will. I just

50:25

wonder if we wouldn't be a lot better

50:27

off if we helped each other instead of

50:29

trying to target each other. We've

50:35

got a Justice Department in

50:38

a lot of states and in different parts of

50:40

the federal government. They won't

50:42

use the word felon anymore. They

50:44

won't use the word rapist or murderer anymore.

50:47

They refer to them as

50:49

justice involved individuals. So

50:52

your family member wasn't murdered.

50:54

They intersected a justice involved

50:57

individual because they don't want

50:59

to offend the murderer. I'm serious.

51:03

Yeah, psychotic.

51:05

Obviously. I look at

51:07

that and think are you kidding me? If you

51:09

wrote this into a script,

51:11

I have scripted shows I do like on

51:13

CBS. So help me

51:16

Todd where we do legal type. So

51:19

with Marsha Gay Harden. If we

51:21

wrote that into a script, they would say oh

51:23

come on. This is not believable. You can take

51:25

that out. It's real. They

51:28

don't have office of admissions anymore

51:30

because they say that implies somebody

51:33

could be rejected and hurt their

51:35

feelings. So it's now office of

51:37

enrollment management. Can

51:40

I ask you, I really

51:42

worry about this in general with

51:45

sending my kids to college because and again

51:47

my kids are young but young

51:50

people don't seem to be capable like words are

51:52

violence is not and the things you

51:55

just said getting a professor Fired

51:57

or suspended for saying the word lame. Interim

52:00

A Rational thinking. I agree with you. I

52:02

do think it's like a dystopian nineteen eighty

52:04

Four am. I see these videos of students

52:06

on campus, says he didn't riding and going

52:08

crazy about things that seem very small and

52:11

then you know I guess a lot of

52:13

things that Israel and Hamas and or knows

52:15

how I feel about. I'm very pro Israel

52:17

on I don't understand how. This. Specific

52:19

generation of people and that I

52:22

know. Good people who are as the years on. One alleged

52:24

to stereotype everyone, but they don't seem to

52:26

be able to exist in the Free world

52:28

in a in a normal way. There was

52:31

a woman I don't have. you saw this

52:33

who stood in front of the Bakersfield. I'm

52:35

sitting here are council city council and said

52:37

i've been a murder you and your sleep

52:40

and I'm going to come get you because

52:42

they were anti they were pro Israel and

52:44

anti a moth. She is now under arrest

52:46

and I believe has sixteen counts against her

52:49

and was hysterically growing and seem shocked that

52:51

they were ramifications for the things she said.

52:53

Why. Is the antidote to this? Because I'm at

52:55

a loss and all I know is that it's

52:57

made me just not want to interact at all

52:59

with people like that because I don't know how

53:02

to interact with people I don't think are living

53:04

in reality. Or.

53:07

You are such. Good course.

53:09

Sincere. A lot. Of so

53:11

birds u s it because or

53:13

do have an opinion the process

53:15

of it really is a top

53:18

a question because you said here's

53:20

the problem was the the answer

53:22

is and. We.

53:24

Are not teaching. Critical.

53:27

thinking. Critical. Thinking

53:29

is a learned skill set. You

53:32

do you see it taught in

53:34

law school? Or do you see

53:36

it taught him the scientific process?

53:40

And your is good said. We only

53:42

learn by disapproving what we think or

53:44

believe. We have to challenge our thoughts

53:47

and beliefs and. We're not

53:49

teaching critical. thinking.

53:51

That and it is. It is

53:53

a set of skills were you

53:55

have to learn to progress through

53:57

making a hypothesis challenging than hypothesis.

54:00

Looking at the alternatives, Testing

54:02

those out. Of there

54:04

were a were not teaching that

54:06

when when I hear. What?

54:08

I'm hearing from the student

54:10

groups that are so clearly

54:13

anti semitic. And.

54:15

Ah I see. A.

54:17

See these banners on.

54:20

Harvard and other elite.

54:23

Obviously. Campuses. Have.

54:25

That same goes for Palestine.

54:29

Or. Might seriously with his

54:31

if you walked across

54:33

the border into Gaza

54:35

with that. They.

54:38

Would throw you off a building and wrap

54:40

your body up in that banner. I

54:42

have you not thoughts through this

54:44

do you? Do you? Da real?

54:46

Was. Who. You are rallying

54:49

for hear. Of. It

54:51

is. It's. Insane to me that.

54:54

We're. Not causing these people

54:57

to challenge their thinking.

55:00

And at least look at the

55:02

alternative position. Ah, others Richard

55:04

Farm said are, I would rather have.

55:07

Of. Or

55:09

would rather have. A

55:11

A A situation where. It

55:14

is and what we're now. As we

55:16

have a officers we can't question. And

55:19

that's worse than having. Questions.

55:22

We can answer. Oh you

55:25

are. You're always going to have questions you

55:27

can answer. But we were now the situation.

55:29

We have answers we can't question. We can't

55:31

say they wait a minute. A.

55:34

Killer ones that answer let me ask

55:36

if you quest but no U s

55:38

a question Europhobe or a hater or

55:41

whatever. And you can't be a

55:43

that situation. That's where we are right now. They're

55:45

so critical thinking aloud. There's we've

55:47

got the settlers veto. If

55:50

if somebody comes on your campus that

55:52

you. Think. You disagree with.

55:54

Booze. I'm dale. Don't let them speak. How

55:57

you ever been to learn anything if you don't listen

55:59

to the. side. Even if you

56:02

totally disagree with them when you finish answering

56:04

them or hearing them, at

56:07

least you know why. You know what their arguments

56:09

are. You know what their talking points are so

56:12

you can, from an informed

56:14

point of view, you can dismantle their

56:16

argument and say this is why I disagree

56:18

with them. I've heard their speech. I've

56:20

heard their spiel. I can tell you why I

56:23

disagree with them. They can't do that now because

56:25

they don't hear them. What's

56:27

the antidote though? The

56:30

antidote is we've got to teach these

56:33

kids, we've got to teach these young people

56:36

that you have to

56:38

be willing to hear the

56:40

other side and have an open debate

56:43

and you don't have to love everything

56:45

about someone to love that person. You

56:47

can love your fellow man. You can

56:50

recognize that they're a human being that

56:53

has wants, needs, feelings,

56:56

brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers,

57:00

fears, prides, everything

57:02

just like you. They just hold a

57:04

different point of view on some issues.

57:07

I work with law enforcement a

57:09

lot and one of the

57:11

things that I often

57:14

deal with is interrogation techniques,

57:16

deception detection, things of

57:18

that nature and one

57:20

of the things that we know

57:23

is if you're dealing with someone

57:27

that has taken hostages, the

57:30

FBI will tell you straight up

57:32

your best chance of ever

57:34

getting a hostage back alive is

57:37

if you make that hostage

57:40

taker know

57:43

that you understand why he

57:45

took the hostages to begin

57:47

with unless he

57:50

feels heard, not

57:52

agreed with, but unless he could say to

57:54

himself okay that agent

57:56

understands why I did this. He

57:59

gets me. He doesn't have to agree

58:01

with him, but he understands why I felt

58:03

the need to do this. That's your

58:06

best chance of ever getting back a

58:08

hostage life. They have to feel

58:11

heard that you get it. You don't have

58:13

to agree with him that you get it. And

58:15

that's true in hostage negotiations. How

58:17

can it not be true in

58:20

college? That's

58:23

how you get along with a hostage taker.

58:25

And if we can't do that with our

58:27

college students, they have to at least say,

58:29

hey, I'll hear you. I'm

58:31

not telling you I'll agree with you. I may

58:33

disagree with you even more after listening to you.

58:36

You may educate me as to why I think

58:38

you're an idiot, but I'm

58:40

willing to hear you out and you're going

58:42

to educate me on how to dismantle you,

58:45

but I'm willing to hear you. That

58:48

is fascinating. I never knew that. And I think

58:50

that's a really important point. Dr.

58:53

Phil, I could literally interview you for like seven

58:55

hours, but I know I've only got an hour

58:57

with you. I just have one last question. I

59:01

watched so many episodes of your show. Is there

59:03

any show, do you have a show that is

59:05

your favorite, you're the most proud of? It's probably

59:07

hard to narrow that down. And is there any

59:09

show that you did that you were like, maybe

59:12

we shouldn't have let that air, if

59:14

that's even possible? Well,

59:17

you know, we've

59:20

probably done some that we didn't let air. I

59:23

can't think of well stuff in my head, but

59:26

we always have a rule, particularly,

59:30

and I'll give you

59:32

some insight to our behind the scenes. In

59:37

those 21 years, I never

59:39

booked a guest

59:42

that was currently in therapy, that

59:45

we didn't contact their therapist, explain

59:48

what the show was about, and

59:52

what role their client

59:54

or patient was going to play, and

59:57

get their written permission to

59:59

have that. person on the show.

1:00:02

And I think in all that time,

1:00:04

I think we only got

1:00:06

one no. And the therapist

1:00:09

said, you know what, maybe

1:00:12

in a couple of months, right now, we're

1:00:15

in the midst of the following.

1:00:18

And when they explained, I said, I agree 100%. Thank you

1:00:20

for sharing that. And

1:00:23

I think we did have that person on several months later.

1:00:25

But we never had anybody on

1:00:28

and that was in therapy unless

1:00:31

we cleared it in writing from the

1:00:33

therapist. So we're always very careful about

1:00:35

that. We

1:00:38

never had anyone on that had

1:00:40

been hospitalized in a mental institution

1:00:42

in recent past, not

1:00:45

because that makes them

1:00:48

a lesser guess, but

1:00:50

because I just didn't think that that

1:00:53

was necessarily the best forum for

1:00:55

them to work out any

1:00:57

differences and then go home

1:00:59

and have that air and you know,

1:01:02

maybe people comment about it. And I've

1:01:05

always been very, very

1:01:08

careful about showing children's faces,

1:01:10

even if they've been plastered all over the

1:01:12

news. I didn't care. People

1:01:14

say, well, they've been all over the news producer.

1:01:16

I say, I don't care. Just

1:01:19

because other people are reckless doesn't mean

1:01:21

that we are. I never wanted to

1:01:23

shoot anything and air

1:01:25

something on Tuesday, where

1:01:28

a child would go to school on Wednesday

1:01:30

and have a reaction about it. So we've

1:01:33

gone so far as to disguise

1:01:35

parents change their background

1:01:38

history, everything

1:01:40

possible. So they couldn't even identify a

1:01:42

child we didn't show by

1:01:45

identifying their parents. We have been

1:01:47

over so backwards to

1:01:50

try and be sensitive to the

1:01:52

impact, particularly with young people

1:01:54

being on the show. We've really been

1:01:56

over backwards to try and do this

1:01:58

right. And I've always had a

1:02:01

Blue Ribbon Advisory Committee with

1:02:03

the top minds in psychology,

1:02:05

psychiatry, medicine, sociology, theology, nursing

1:02:09

that I can send out a complex

1:02:11

situation to and get all of their

1:02:13

feedback that

1:02:15

we could use in providing those

1:02:18

people the best information they could

1:02:20

possibly get. So much

1:02:22

has gone on behind the scenes that we don't

1:02:24

ever put on the air to try to do

1:02:27

this right. So we've really labored to do it

1:02:29

right. Do you have a favorite episode?

1:02:33

One that has always stuck out to me

1:02:35

was one that we called the girl in

1:02:37

the closet. And I

1:02:40

don't know if you saw that, but there was this

1:02:42

girl that was raised

1:02:46

in a closet from the

1:02:48

time she was like two years

1:02:50

old and she was

1:02:52

not rescued until she was like 15 or

1:02:54

16, maybe

1:02:57

a little older. And the

1:02:59

way she learned to speak, Megan, is to

1:03:01

cover up that she was in there, they

1:03:03

put a table in front of the door

1:03:06

and put a radio on the table and

1:03:08

kept it on and turned up. And

1:03:10

she learned to talk by

1:03:13

listening to the DJs on the radio.

1:03:16

And they would just feed

1:03:19

her scraps occasionally. She ate

1:03:21

the linoleum off the floor, the

1:03:23

walls, her growth was stunted. And

1:03:27

it was so interesting. When we

1:03:29

had her on the show, she

1:03:32

had been out for about a

1:03:34

year, it was in Texas, and all

1:03:37

different types of therapists had been working with

1:03:40

her, occupational therapists, speech therapists, all this, and

1:03:42

we had her on. And

1:03:47

she really didn't like herself

1:03:49

and felt inadequate. And the

1:03:52

audience was so supportive of her. And I found

1:03:54

out after the fact that there

1:03:57

was a group of occupational

1:03:59

therapists in Texas that have this network

1:04:01

where they can all punch a button and be

1:04:03

on at the same time for training and stuff.

1:04:07

And they all got on and watched the

1:04:09

episode together and she

1:04:13

was in front of the audience and they

1:04:15

all stood up for her and clapped

1:04:18

and supported her and a

1:04:20

big smile came over her face and they

1:04:22

told me that a cheer

1:04:25

went up across Texas and she was at least

1:04:27

400 occupational therapists all

1:04:29

at one time and she had been pulling

1:04:31

for her so much. And

1:04:34

it was just so victorious

1:04:36

that that really stuck with me

1:04:39

and I was so proud

1:04:41

of her that she fought back

1:04:43

so much and I remember

1:04:45

Michelle Knight who was one of the

1:04:48

three girls

1:04:50

that was kidnapped in

1:04:55

Cleveland and held by

1:04:57

Ariel Castro for 11 years

1:05:01

in that house and

1:05:03

we interviewed her when she

1:05:05

was rescued and

1:05:08

worked with her for the next

1:05:10

several years and helped her write

1:05:12

a book and really develop herself

1:05:14

and she's done such a great

1:05:16

job of reintegrating into society and

1:05:18

stuff and I was so proud

1:05:20

of her and those

1:05:22

things really stick out and I see

1:05:25

people overcome such great odds and integrate

1:05:27

into society. Yeah,

1:05:29

it's really beautiful. I mean I have

1:05:31

to watch the Girl in the Closet

1:05:33

episode. That's really amazing and there are

1:05:35

just so many amazing episodes and I'm

1:05:37

glad you shared those two with me.

1:05:40

Dr. Phil, I really am just such a fan of

1:05:42

yours. I really appreciate your time. I know you're so

1:05:44

busy. You can find Dr.

1:05:46

Pills there at Street Media and his

1:05:48

show, The Flagship Show, Dr. Phil Prandime,

1:05:51

which is every night at 8 p.m.

1:05:53

Eastern. I will and have been watching it.

1:05:55

I know you probably know this because you've got a team of people

1:05:57

working with you but your work is

1:05:59

just explosive. putting all of our social media right now in the

1:06:01

best way possible. And I really just

1:06:03

think it's so inspirational to be embarking on

1:06:06

something that's all your own in this new

1:06:08

format and really talking about issues that people

1:06:10

actually really do care about. And

1:06:12

I really just applaud you for the work you're doing. So

1:06:15

please keep it up and I will continue to watch. Well,

1:06:20

thank you. I hope people,

1:06:23

if they'll go to meritstreetmedia.com,

1:06:25

just meritstreetmedia.com, on the homepage,

1:06:28

there's a button that says channel finder. You

1:06:30

click that and it has you put in your

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zip code and then it just lists

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everywhere you can see the channel in your

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local area, whether it's direct TV, Dish,

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Roku, whatever. This puts it all right there for

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you. And we have an app called

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Merit Plus. You can download it for free if

1:06:49

you've got Apple and watch

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it there because we're available

1:06:54

in, like I say, close to 90 million homes

1:06:56

now. So we're everywhere and people can see it.

1:06:58

So hopefully they'll find us and watch

1:07:00

it and hopefully they'll read the book because I'm real proud of

1:07:02

it. Yes. And again, I'm

1:07:04

going to say your book one more time. We've

1:07:07

got issues, how you can stand strong for America's

1:07:09

sanity and soul right now. Thank you so much,

1:07:11

Dr. Phil, for your time. It's really been a

1:07:13

pleasure. I look forward to

1:07:15

seeing you soon. All right. Welcome.

1:07:18

No, I'm sorry. We're saying goodbye, Miranda.

1:07:22

Is there anything else you want to say

1:07:24

before we say goodbye today? Thank you so

1:07:26

much for all your help. You don't just

1:07:28

do work on camera. You do so much

1:07:30

work off camera, having so much fun still

1:07:32

transitioning into cameras, but you look

1:07:34

so beautiful. You should definitely be seen. And

1:07:38

yeah, I guess I don't know what else to say.

1:07:40

We've been having a lot of fun right now. We're

1:07:42

having a good time. Lots of meetings you guys don't

1:07:44

even know about behind the scenes. All the prep. So

1:07:47

many fucking Zoom meetings. Zoom meetings. It's every

1:07:49

day. All the live long days. Zoom

1:07:51

meetings. Every day. I have a Zoom

1:07:53

meeting, man. I

1:07:56

mean, honestly, though, thank God for Zoom. Could you imagine if

1:07:58

we were having to, like, haul our ass? into

1:08:00

like a conference room every day? None

1:08:02

of us live in the same city. So no, nobody. It

1:08:07

would not be possible. So thank you to

1:08:09

the makers of Zoom or Google Meet or

1:08:11

whatever it is. Like, thank you. I'm

1:08:15

on so many. I thought the Zoom era would

1:08:18

end in my life after the pandemic. It has

1:08:20

not. It remains a strong

1:08:22

iron grip on my life, those Zoom meetings, not

1:08:24

just with this, just in general. So I look

1:08:26

forward to seeing you in 36 Zoom

1:08:29

meetings before our next show. If

1:08:32

the Zoom era ends, like for sure we're going

1:08:34

to end up in like the Civil War movie

1:08:36

because like the whole world would not function. I

1:08:40

don't want to be in the Civil War movie. I don't.

1:08:42

But if we are, I will,

1:08:44

I'm always like, I am your best friend

1:08:46

in the entire world until I'm your enemy.

1:08:49

And then what doesn't kill me better run.

1:08:51

I will meet you in Sedona. That's all

1:08:53

I have to say. I know where to

1:08:55

go. Just start running. I always

1:08:57

say that if I ever caught Ben cheating,

1:08:59

which I wouldn't and he's not, so everybody

1:09:01

calm down. I'd be like, just start running.

1:09:03

Just start running. So that's it. I'm

1:09:08

ready. Yeah, with that, I hope you guys have

1:09:10

a great weekend. And again, we'll be back again

1:09:12

next week to do our little podcast, having

1:09:14

so much fun. We have

1:09:16

our friends, like one of the ultimate best favorites.

1:09:18

We have Guy Benson and Mary Catherine in studio.

1:09:21

Love both of them. Obviously, like

1:09:24

just, I mean, one of

1:09:26

my favorite people like in real life

1:09:28

and such important voices in politics. So

1:09:30

I'm so excited to have them back.

1:09:32

I want Mary Catherine's like take on

1:09:34

the Bravo bloodbath this week. Totally. And

1:09:37

how there's no housewives on at all

1:09:39

for like the rest of the month. Yeah,

1:09:41

it looks like this is the first

1:09:43

time that's happened since Barack Obama was

1:09:45

president. Something's happening. Like I know

1:09:48

that's that's a really amazing talking point. I know, but

1:09:50

something is happening in the Bravo world. And I'm not

1:09:52

exactly sure where it is. No Bravo shifting.

1:09:54

That's weird. Something's going on. It's

1:09:56

like in Mary Poppins and the

1:09:59

wind starts how I feel about

1:10:01

Bravo like something's happening in coming and I

1:10:03

don't necessarily know if it's positive but something's

1:10:06

happening and they released final thing

1:10:09

they released the Real Housewives of Washington

1:10:11

DC on Peacock which was a

1:10:13

one yes which a one season

1:10:16

show for people that need a little reminder it was

1:10:18

taken off air because the White House crashers and the

1:10:20

Obama years these people were not invited to the White

1:10:22

House went to the White House like you saw I

1:10:25

use Michaela Salahi we had like a congressional hearing

1:10:27

about it so it was removed I asked Andy

1:10:29

about it and he said the FBI had to

1:10:31

investigate the show we couldn't I can't do another

1:10:33

season of the show where the FBI investigated I

1:10:36

am saying this right here right now

1:10:39

they need to bring back the Real Housewives of

1:10:41

Washington DC and I will 100% help you cast

1:10:43

it I know I know where to start I

1:10:45

know exactly no no absolutely

1:10:48

not first of all I don't live in that kind of a

1:10:50

house like I'm not like no matter what

1:10:52

you read on the internet I'm not an overly healthy person they

1:10:54

cast people on Vanderpump rules in

1:10:56

those pieces shit West Hollywood apartments they

1:10:59

do not care um Lala has three

1:11:01

homes and one of them cost 2.6

1:11:03

million dollars like you remember like Tom

1:11:06

Sandoval and Chris and Dodie's apartment where

1:11:08

you turn on the hair dryer and the power

1:11:11

will go out but that's like 10 years ago

1:11:14

anyway the Real Housewives of Washington DC it they

1:11:17

need to bring it back and not Potomac

1:11:19

Potomac is very different I don't

1:11:21

want anyone comparing I love Potomac back to

1:11:24

talk about a good but it's not the

1:11:26

same place like you know they're two different

1:11:28

cities please bring it back it's such a

1:11:30

missed opportunity that season is so iconic and

1:11:32

then we met it's like we never heard

1:11:34

about it again and Michaela so

1:11:36

I very good talk about ruining

1:11:38

on fraudsters we got to get Cena on

1:11:40

her because she's like I was a Redskins

1:11:42

cheerleader no she wasn't like I got a

1:11:44

line on you know you don't I was

1:11:47

invited to that Indian state dinner no you

1:11:49

weren't like everything

1:11:51

like hosting the prime mister of India I

1:11:54

remember that though that was a big thing

1:11:56

that they were let you dressed she and

1:11:58

her husband like Tarshish or

1:12:00

something like this like they looked

1:12:02

amazing and they have well They

1:12:04

could have murdered our president but

1:12:06

are like and they had this ended

1:12:08

But not just like walked in walked in with

1:12:11

the Bravo camera crew and nobody

1:12:14

Nobody checked anything and like they got

1:12:16

footage of them like hugging kissing whatever

1:12:18

the Obama's like what awful

1:12:22

Madness, but I do miss those kind of

1:12:24

scandals Like I miss a

1:12:26

pre-Trump era political scandal like that where

1:12:28

it's like silly It's arguably harmless,

1:12:31

but not I mean again, it's dangerous if something bad

1:12:33

had happened, but nothing did but like these

1:12:35

bizarre Bravo Crashers, but it's on peacock if

1:12:37

you guys want to know what I'm talking about and Miranda

1:12:41

and I 100% need to show

1:12:43

to be to come back. I seriously can help

1:12:45

cast it I know where to start I

1:12:48

would like to public is a more interesting than Democrats in

1:12:50

this town I'm I'm

1:12:53

gonna say this but you better edit this out is

1:12:55

the is that it gives the Queen Okay,

1:12:58

that works crazy. Yes, and she's beautiful

1:13:00

and like I'm not gonna actually I'm not gonna

1:13:03

actually edit this out But I'm gonna bleep it

1:13:05

Okay, I want I want people to be like

1:13:08

who did you say? She would

1:13:10

be the perfect. I thought about this the

1:13:12

perfect start And

1:13:15

I know who else all right, I

1:13:17

will say someone who would have been

1:13:19

extra perfect Do you remember the secretary

1:13:21

of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin under Trump?

1:13:23

Oh, yeah Yes, his

1:13:25

wife. I can't remember her name but she got

1:13:27

in trouble because she won an official state trip

1:13:29

and tagged all the designers that she Was in

1:13:31

when she lived in this town. Everyone was like

1:13:33

so brutal there. What is her name and super

1:13:37

blonde actress You're

1:13:39

a movie producer. Yes, she wrote a very racist

1:13:41

book and got in trouble for it. It was

1:13:43

our Africa Anyway, she she would

1:13:45

have been a really good one too. And I can't fucking

1:13:48

remember Steve Mnuchin's wife.

1:13:50

Can we get a Google in I'm

1:13:52

getting it Why

1:13:54

is her name? Louise

1:13:56

linton Louise linton. Yes, I

1:13:58

we is when She's beautiful.

1:14:02

She had terrible quotes about how she was treated

1:14:04

in D.C. This is a rough town for anyone

1:14:07

in the Trump administration, but someone like her in

1:14:09

particular. But a great

1:14:11

housewife. I would

1:14:13

watch them too, because they

1:14:15

just... Wap. I could

1:14:18

cast this. I could cast this. Any of

1:14:20

you at all, just want to chat, catch up, all

1:14:22

the things. Aranda,

1:14:26

thank you so much. Again, we'll see you

1:14:28

next week. Again, everyone have a wonderful

1:14:30

weekend. Thank you for listening. Thanks

1:14:39

for listening to this episode of Meghan McCain

1:14:41

has entered the chat. We're out to you

1:14:43

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1:14:45

host and executive producer, Meghan McCain. Additional

1:14:47

executive producers are Miranda Wilkin, Eric

1:14:50

Siegelman, and Wynn Weigel. Our

1:14:52

supervising producer is Olivia DiCapilis. Our

1:14:55

senior guest producer is Cara Kaplan

1:14:57

and associate producer, Austin Goodman.