The Civilized Apes Podcast is a topical discussion show around trending themes and stories. We hope to have a civilized conversation on difficult topics and gain new insights on these and debate differing viewpoints that we may have. We're like talkback radio without the radio part, and add a kiwi accent. We are EJ and Andy, two New Zealanders with opinions, Amazing right? Jokes aside, we have serious discussions without taking ourselves too seriously.