Descend a few rungs on the old evolutionary ladder with us in this, the season 2 finale of Clever Creature.

Mordant, multitalented Australian songwriter and actor Tim Minchin, the lyricist of the musicals MATILDA and GROUNDHOG DAY, talks with Jason about creative evolution, cultural devolution, and not taking yourself too seriously. There's short fiction by Jason that takes us to the outer limits of optimism. And a song by the one and only Jerm Boor, a deep soul with a deep voice. 

Special thanks to Emre Gots for the theme music, to Jerm Boor for the song, and to the ever-evolving (and never devolving) Nathan Gelgud for the episode art.