Closer to Fine is a phone call between two wildly different but perfectly matched best friends. Each episode, Mary Katherine Backstrom and Sara Farrell Baker discuss the good, the bad, the really bad, and the things most people have the good sense to keep quiet.

Mary Katherine is an award-winning author and influencer whose first book, Holy Hot Mess, is a National Bestseller. A Southern Christian with a penchant for oversharing, her heartfelt writing and infectious laugh have earned her a loyal fanbase. Known for her viral videos and candid writing on family, faith, and mental illness, MK has been featured on Today, CNN, the New York Times, and Ellen.

Sara is an award-winning writer from the Mid-Atlantic, a podcaster, and an Atheist. Her work has been published in O Magazine and the Huffington Post and she has appeared on Good Morning America. Sara’s audience enjoys her irreverent and absurd, often explicit, self-deprecating sense of humor. She enjoys writing about politics, living with chronic pain and an invisible illness, mental health, and her love of television and movies.

Both on their own mental health journeys, Sara and MK use candor, humor, and their real-life experiences living with mental illness to normalize conversations about the mental health struggles many of us go through. Together, they aim to erase the stigma with anything but silence.

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