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Risotto. Chad Ocho sinko

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jo.

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Hold holda, I ain't even I'm just

1:49

tonight. I'm just Ocho because I

1:51

look, I go down there, right, you know, we got to show you

1:54

got something to drink, right yo. You know, I

1:56

like to talk, so when I'm talking, sometime

1:58

my mouth and my throat get a little dry, and

2:01

like right now, I'm parts and so I go downstairs

2:03

to the refrigerator.

2:04

Right yep, yep, ain't

2:07

no water.

2:08

Ain't no water, so boom,

2:11

first thing, who you think, drink

2:13

all the water?

2:14

Real, drink all the water. I'm thirsty

2:17

mm hm.

2:18

And she going out of town. So that means she left

2:20

town and didn't even put waters back in the

2:22

refrigerator, knowing I got to do nightcap.

2:25

So now I go down there, ain't no water refrigerator.

2:27

So what I'm supposed to do. I'm talking right

2:30

now, and I'm.

2:30

Parched, you know what, I'm

2:33

glad real gone because had

2:35

that been my old lady and I go down to the refrigerator,

2:40

put some water in refrigerator, would listen

2:43

to put some water in refrigerator.

2:45

Hold on, you would listen. She lucky she

2:47

here because she would have had to go to publics. She

2:49

would have had to go to publics and get some water.

2:51

Like you don't.

2:52

You don't do that. That's like when you got a cart

2:54

when you.

2:54

Got kids, right, Yeah, and they drink, they

2:57

drink the soda or they drink the carton

2:59

of juice for whatever it is.

3:00

Yeah, but a little swallow. Ain't number backwash?

3:03

Yeah, ain't number backwash? Come

3:05

on?

3:06

Come on, what we're doing, what we're doing, what we're doing.

3:08

Yeah, I apologize. I

3:10

just had to get that off my chest because I'm kind of upset. So

3:12

basically, nine, we beefing water.

3:16

You know how this thing work o Cho.

3:18

Upset at you. I'm upset

3:20

at you. Yeah you you you know

3:22

better. Now you know he's gonna do nightcap

3:25

tonight and tomorrow. You know he

3:27

needed water in there because he talks, and

3:29

so when he talks, he's parked.

3:32

Thank you.

3:32

So that's like being in the desert. You know the man

3:34

was going on the trip and you didn't even pack his

3:37

favorite too. You ain't packing his too brush.

3:39

You ain't give him no the older ret, no, no mind.

3:41

No canteen, nothing.

3:43

Nothing nothing. So come on, real real,

3:45

come on, I'm with you now, I'm

3:47

with you when you're right, but you're wrong and this, this,

3:49

this is real.

3:50

Yeah your favorite, don't come

3:52

say that.

3:52

You so right. You gotta do right

3:55

by you, gotta do right by Ojoe.

3:56

This ship ship got

3:59

no damn water, throw dry, but

4:01

you're.

4:01

Gonna gonna be all. We're gonna get through it. We're gonna get through

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so have some things that we need to address. You

6:13

and I need to address and Russell

6:16

Wilson is doing his best

6:18

job to Evidently he hearded

6:20

what you and I said. Obviously our

6:23

voice is care resonates

6:25

a lot because we have a large platform,

6:28

our subscribers, our followers. They

6:30

like what we have to say. And so evidently

6:32

what we said when we talked about what he had

6:34

said, I think it was it GQ essence.

6:38

It was an Essence magazine was essence. Yes, sir,

6:41

So Russell

6:43

Will said, let's start building each other. The evolution

6:45

of the black quarterback in the NFL has been one of

6:47

the coolest experiences in my life. To

6:50

be a part of full context is always

6:52

important. Grateful for those before

6:54

me, those with me, and those after me. God

6:57

is good. So what he did is

6:59

that before what Russell Will, this

7:01

is the author. Now what he did

7:04

he highlighted. This is not what he

7:06

said. He highlighted what

7:08

the author said. This is what This

7:10

is what the author said. Before

7:13

Wilson burst onto the scene. Signal callers

7:15

of color, Doug Williams, One Moon Round, the Cunningham

7:18

and Michael Vick all dominated to feel

7:20

at one point a fact that Wilson recognized

7:23

and respect. I think I

7:25

think about those guys before me. He says,

7:27

that's not what he said. He's just

7:29

regurgitating what the office said. Okay, here,

7:33

but when I but

7:35

but I tell you what you do now

7:37

where real come home? You said real,

7:39

I love you? But and see what happens

7:42

now, this is what he's saying. He says, But when I

7:44

came into the league, there were only a few of us.

7:46

It was Cam Newton, Robert Griffin, third,

7:49

Colin Kaepernick, myself and a couple of

7:51

others. By the end of the second year in the NFL,

7:53

Wilson had lift held up the Lombardy, becoming

7:56

just a second black quarterback

7:58

to do so, while when came on forget him

8:00

a personal confident that also marked a shift

8:02

in the position for me to be able to go back

8:04

to back Super Bowls when one of them, I think it opened

8:07

a lot of doors, he says. Now you see

8:09

guys like Patrick Mahomes, he

8:12

didn't highlight that part. Now see but see you

8:14

know this, o Joe, he didn't highlight

8:16

or me, you be able to go back to back

8:19

and win one of them. I think it opened a lot of doors.

8:22

That's not what he highlighted, right, I

8:25

knew you to highlight what you said. Now

8:29

what I can't highlight what Ocho

8:31

said? Oh this wa wah wah, wah, blah blah,

8:33

blah blah. That's what Ocho

8:35

said. She and what did you say? You

8:38

can't highlight what I said? What did

8:40

you say?

8:42

Oh? Man?

8:42

You know what?

8:43

Hey?

8:43

And you ain't gonna talk about all the receivers that came

8:45

up for Ojo, Like when I came into leave, wasn't

8:48

nobody really running no rocks but like me, maybe

8:50

Jimmy Smith. So you're gonna forget about

8:52

Sterling Shop, you forget all Flipper Anderson,

8:55

Aaron Cors, you gonna forget about all the other guys

8:57

that were round runners and just highlight

8:59

your era. So in other words,

9:02

and this this is what irks me a lot about

9:05

this generation. If it didn't

9:07

happen, if they didn't see it, it didn't happen.

9:09

If it is not on the internet where you could just go,

9:12

it didn't happen. And so

9:15

the emergency quarterbacks like Mahome, Jaylen Herds

9:17

and Mr Jackson and CJ. Stroud Uh,

9:20

to name a few, is indicative of a new era football

9:22

and the glimpse of what the sports is trending.

9:26

Mm hmm.

9:27

So he heard what he heard what we said.

9:32

I'm glad if

9:34

he didn't hear it. And that's the thing. If

9:37

he didn't hear it, somebody that he that's close

9:39

to him did hear it. I

9:41

look, I'm happy that

9:44

more people that our color getting

9:46

an opportunity to play that position, because

9:49

before they were getting

9:51

transferred, they would play going and moving and running

9:53

back with wide receiver, or they were playing

9:55

def dB, they were a safety.

9:58

They weren't getting opportunities no matter how

10:00

accomplished. Warren Moon had

10:02

to go to the Great had to go to the NFL,

10:07

he had to go to the Canadian League

10:09

after he won the Rose Bowl. After

10:12

Ron was a prototypical

10:15

drop back quarterback, he had to

10:17

go win five Great Cups, right

10:20

and come back. So

10:24

that's all we're saying, Russ. We're not saying,

10:26

but we don't want you to minimize

10:29

the importance of the guys

10:31

that right.

10:34

Yeah, you know, I don't.

10:36

Obviously, context

10:38

always matters, anytime anything is being

10:40

said, anytime anything is being written,

10:42

context always matters. I've talked

10:44

to Russ multiple times, really not on this

10:47

situation here, but in general just about

10:49

obviously me being on the other side of the fence, being

10:51

a part of media, trying to balance being able

10:53

to be critical, me trying to balance being

10:55

able to be able to analyze players without it

10:57

being disrespectful and talking

11:00

and talking to Russ in person, not over the phone.

11:02

In person.

11:03

What he said was is we as

11:07

those that have already played the game, already

11:09

played the game, we have to it's

11:11

in for us to do do

11:13

justice, to stop tearing all Black

11:16

King down in general, and

11:18

kind of somewhat in the narratives at times

11:21

on some of the things that we say. He also said

11:24

the fact that he respects those that have played

11:26

the game that came before him, the players

11:28

that have the voices like we do. We're very

11:30

impactful when we talk about the game because we

11:32

played it. Not only did we play it, we played it at

11:35

a very high level, and our voices

11:37

matter because they're very powerful.

11:39

We got a lot of reach. You gotta gotta

11:41

you got a lot of reach.

11:42

And I think more so on that end, I

11:45

think he's kind of sick of the narratives in general.

11:47

You never hear Russell Wilson fire back,

11:49

You know that, right?

11:50

You notice that this is one of the few times he's actually

11:52

came out and spoke about what obviously

11:54

with me and you had to talk about. And I think he's

11:56

just sick of the narratives, and I think this is

11:58

we're gonna see different Rush Wilson. Now, this is

12:01

what I think from this from this point on, because Russell

12:03

never says anything when anyone says anything about

12:05

him. So the fact that the fact that he came

12:07

out and said something, I think we're gonna get

12:09

We're gonna see a more voisterous, more

12:12

opinionated Russell Wilson. So when people say

12:14

anything about him, I think he's gonna fire back and kind

12:16

of set the record strate Well.

12:18

I think for me, oh Love, I

12:23

do the best job I possibly can because I

12:25

really never tried. I don't. I don't

12:27

think I have only once. I think one

12:29

time I have attacked

12:31

somebody in all my years of doing

12:34

this, and this is going on probably

12:36

almost two decades, that I've

12:38

attacked someone personally. And if

12:41

I ever see him, I'll apologize.

12:44

There's no sense in going getting into

12:46

that now, even though he continuously attacks

12:48

me. But that's not the hear nor there for

12:52

me O Joe, And I think the thing that people

12:55

that have heard me, they

12:57

know I'm

13:01

not parsimonious when I come to with my criticism.

13:03

That's a good word right there. Baby, I like that one. Parsimonious.

13:06

I gotta write that down.

13:07

So, in other words, people

13:09

have heard me criticized Aaron Rodgers,

13:11

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady

13:15

just as much as I've criticized the Dak Prescott,

13:18

Patrick Mahomes.

13:19

I believe just because sir.

13:22

You're accomplished, I'm gonna

13:24

say two parts. Just because

13:27

you aren't accomplished. You won multiple

13:29

m vps, multiple Super Bowls. Yes,

13:31

sir, you're not beyond reproach.

13:34

Yes, just because you're black

13:37

and I'm black, that doesn't

13:40

mean you're beyond reproach. Now,

13:42

I'm not gonna attack you as a man,

13:46

but I think I think I can attack

13:49

your play on the field. And this,

13:52

I thought Russ was being dismissive

13:55

of the guys that came before him.

13:57

Okay, okay, that's what That's

14:00

what I would say. I was like, But Russ, you do realize

14:03

that Marlon Brisco was

14:05

a scrambling quarterback before

14:07

Doug Williams. You

14:09

probably don't even know who he is. The first black quarterback

14:11

to start opening Day for the Broncos.

14:14

There was James That was Shaq Harris that

14:17

also from Gramblin State, that played under

14:19

coach Rob before Doug Randall,

14:22

there were so many guys. Donte

14:24

Colepep was a mobile quarterback, but

14:27

it seems like he was. He was very fine

14:29

to fit his era Cam

14:32

RG three, you know, call

14:35

a CAP because if I'm not mistaken, CAP came

14:37

out the same year he did, might have came out the same year

14:39

he did. I'm not mistaken. So

14:43

that's where I am. I don't know. I

14:45

don't know Russ personally. I've met

14:47

him a few times. He was great to me, I

14:50

was great to him. I don't know Russ

14:52

off the field. I'm not in his life.

14:54

Good dude, real good dude, but all ill.

14:56

But this notion that

14:58

every time that somebody like if

15:01

you if we were attacking him personally, we

15:03

said, we don't like what he's doing. We don't

15:06

like that he's putting everything on social media.

15:08

We don't think this. So he's that he's this. Now

15:11

we're attacking him personally. Yes, I don't

15:13

think you and I've ever done that. No, I

15:15

haven't. I spoke to something that

15:18

was brought to my attention. Everybody

15:20

called me a lie after it

15:23

was reported as facts that

15:25

he did have an office, he did

15:27

have a special interest. He did have

15:29

extra smart Well, why'd you have to bring

15:31

it up? Because all up

15:33

I thought context matters? Yes, sir, So

15:36

when does context matter? Though, Joe, You're

15:39

right now, I could have went I could have went

15:41

deeper, but then I

15:44

would I felt personally. Now

15:46

I'm piling on. Now I'm

15:48

adding something. Whatever

15:50

transpired, leave it there, Yes,

15:53

sir, but they the

15:55

one thing fans know about me. When

15:59

I speak to something and Emerald, I speak to something in

16:01

Baltimore, you best believe take

16:05

it to the bank.

16:06

Yeah.

16:07

If I tell you, Grass would turn the cheese o. Joe,

16:09

tell him what you're gonna do. You're gonna quit every

16:12

job you got, take every

16:14

dime out of the bank you got, and start hustling

16:16

crackers. Yes, sir, cause

16:19

my word is better than bitcoin when I talk

16:21

to you about those two franchises. Right. So,

16:25

I wish Nightcap wished

16:27

Russ the best. Hopefully he gets

16:30

back to being the Russell Wilson

16:32

that we knew we loved when

16:34

he was in Seattle. I

16:37

hope that's what he can return to.

16:39

I'm afraid that's what he returns to. That's because

16:42

I still think he has good football in him.

16:44

I think his

16:47

heart really didn't want to leave Seattle,

16:50

but sometimes you have to. You

16:52

have to go. And

16:54

the thing it didn't work out the way he envisioned.

16:57

I don't think anybody envisioned that it would be

16:59

only a two year stint in Denver. But

17:03

I think Russ has good football left in him

17:06

and I wish him the best in Pittsburgh except

17:09

when they play the Ravens, and if they play the Broncos.

17:11

Well, listen, he's gonna be fine

17:14

again. Context matters

17:17

where you're going. You're going

17:19

to a great organization, a

17:21

winning organization, a

17:24

great head coach, one that's

17:26

got your back no matter what come, hell of

17:28

high water, Mike Tomlin is going to

17:30

have his back. Another thing that matters

17:32

a quarterback going to a new situation supporting

17:35

cast.

17:36

Yes, what am I surrounded with?

17:38

I'm surrounded by good running back

17:40

play, and you're surrounded by good

17:43

catches of the ball, even if they are

17:45

young. Who knows what they're going to do in the draft.

17:48

Who knows they're going to bring pieces

17:50

in there to make your job easy?

17:54

Winning organization, all Russell Wilson

17:56

has to do is going there and be Russ. Yes,

17:58

that's it, and he gonna be except

18:01

when you play the god damn Bengals, that's

18:04

it.

18:04

Except when you put the Bengals.

18:06

Yeah, and it's not that we're rooting against

18:09

well where we are, we're rooting against you, Russ.

18:11

We don't want you to play if it is tell

18:13

you that lot, well, I hope Russ have a good game

18:15

and long as the Steelers lose. No, I don't know.

18:19

No, I don't because if you have a

18:21

good game, that greatly goes to helping

18:23

the Steelers win that game. Yeah, I don't want

18:25

that. I want the Ravens to beat the breaks off of

18:27

twice. And if they play the Broncos, I want

18:30

the Broncos to win. You know, if

18:32

it was a former teammate, Oh,

18:34

I want you to have a good game, just not win

18:36

the game, right, I wanted.

18:38

I wanted to have a good game, but I don't want to. I don't

18:40

want to be the Bengals. And you know what Russ

18:42

might be. Russ might be watching, Russ

18:44

might be watching Rush. You know how I feel about you, But I

18:46

love you. I love you to death.

18:48

I love you. Gonna have it.

18:49

I'm telling you you're gonna have a good year. I'm

18:51

telling you, but when you play the Bengals, you

18:53

can have a great game. As long as

18:55

the result of the game is the Bengals

18:57

winning.

18:58

That's all that mattered. That's all I came aut so

19:00

that's all that mattered.

19:02

Continue success. So Russ,

19:05

hopefully I cleared up

19:07

what my thinking was why

19:09

I said what I said. I understand you have more

19:11

than a right to refute anything

19:14

that was said by me or

19:16

OHO on this podcast. That's

19:18

well within your right. But we

19:20

wish you the best moving forward. And

19:23

hey, it didn't work out in Denver,

19:25

but hopefully it works out three times better than

19:27

what it did in Denver. In Pittsburgh,

19:29

because Steelers was my favorite team when I was growing

19:31

up. Unfortunately that had to change once I got

19:34

drafted. They were no longer my favorite team.

19:36

And playing in that division with the Ravens, we

19:38

hated the Steelers and we still do some

19:41

things. Some things never changed, never changed.

19:49

Oho.

19:49

It's time for our first segment of the night, and it's called

19:51

a news cap.

19:54

News Cap.

20:01

Joe Burrow breaks down pass excess

20:03

against the Chiefs and says, I think we're built

20:06

to beat them. Joe Burrow is three and

20:08

one all time against Kansas City. Appearing

20:10

on New Heights podcast Live,

20:12

Burrow said, I think we match up pretty

20:14

well with them. I think we're beat to build. I

20:17

think we're built to beat them. I

20:19

always appreciate legendary battles. We have guys

20:21

go out there always making plays. Patrick

20:24

is always out there making plays. Both teams

20:26

have big time offensive lives and a

20:28

great matchup. One

20:31

of the biggest question marks the soft sason what's

20:33

gonna happen with T Higgins? They have franchised

20:35

him. He wants that long term deal.

20:38

This is what T. Higgins says. He says he anticipates

20:40

playing for the Bengals in twenty twenty four. He told

20:42

reporters that his youth football camp Sunday. Higgins

20:45

is, who's entering his fifth year in the league, has requested

20:47

the trade earlyer this offseason after Cincinnati

20:50

plays the franchise tag them. I don't appreciate

20:52

it. I've grown, I've

20:54

grown a love for centens that it and

20:56

I didn't think I would. I'm looking forward to it.

20:59

Higgins is four sports and his draft

21:01

class with thirty six and eighty four receiving

21:03

yards, three players ahead of him Justin

21:06

Jefferson, C. D. Lamb, and Brandon

21:08

Aiyuk also have yet to receive contract

21:10

extensions. Okay, let's talk about what Joe

21:14

Coole said.

21:15

Jocks the facts.

21:16

Yeah, he's three and one against Kansas

21:19

City. He says he believes

21:22

they're built to beat them.

21:25

They are, they are. I mean what he said is

21:27

factual. I think when it comes to the quarterback

21:29

play. Obviously, when it's comes

21:31

to the quarter play that accolades, people

21:34

will always put Mahomes ahead of him because

21:36

of the Super Bowls in the playoff wins. But

21:38

we are three and one against him. From a team

21:40

perspective, offensively, we

21:43

are built to beat them. Why

21:45

because we have a special quarterback in

21:48

ourselves over in Cincinnati, one that

21:50

can match up toe to toe with

21:53

Patrick Mahomes, one that takes care

21:55

of the ball. Also in crunch

21:57

time when it matters most and two

22:00

minutes on the clock and you know you

22:02

need a score.

22:03

We also have a quarterback on our end.

22:05

Get it done, that can go get it done and

22:08

make the right throws at the

22:10

right time and not turn the ball over defensively.

22:14

Our deems of coordinator also, which.

22:17

Is why the maturation of why we play so well

22:19

against the Chiefs. Also,

22:22

we've always had the supporting cast. We always

22:24

had the personnel that matches up well

22:26

against him. Sometimes it's like that,

22:28

there's always a team that has your number right no

22:31

matter what you do. You don't see him that often

22:33

until you get to the playoffs, But for some reason,

22:36

when it comes to that chess match, you always

22:38

have the pieces that fit very well, and

22:40

it's always a good game when you face that team. Now,

22:42

again, the Chiefs have always even though we're three

22:45

and one, the Chiefs have the Super

22:47

Bowls, they have the accolades, they have the parties.

22:49

But we just haven't got over that

22:51

hump. If we get

22:53

a healthy Joe Burrow, if we get it healthy Joe

22:56

Burrow this year, it's gonna get scary

22:59

come play off time. We already know what's gonna happen in the regular

23:01

season. What we do need to fix in Cincinnati

23:03

is we need to fix the slow start. We

23:06

have a problem having a slow start

23:08

and then picking up as the season goes. If

23:10

we can get a jump on

23:12

the competition and come out the gate, we can come

23:14

out the gate hot, and

23:16

then after after after goddamn

23:19

Thanksgiving and just go on cruise

23:21

control and just play good football.

23:24

I think we're gonna be good. I just don't like the fact that we

23:26

start so slow.

23:26

We'll start owing two, we'll start on three and

23:29

got to crawl and fight our way

23:31

back into contention. If

23:34

if we get a healthy Joe Burrow, you

23:36

already know what's gonna happen.

23:37

Is a rap? Oh Joe. You

23:40

keep saying if if if, if.

23:42

If if if if it's healthy.

23:44

Listen, this this is a game. Injuries happen.

23:46

It's part of the game. But when you lose a quarterback

23:49

of that magnitude who I consider to be the

23:51

second best, first best, it depends

23:53

on you.

23:53

Ask I plays best, and you

23:55

can ask anybody right

23:58

first.

23:58

All right, all right, all right, I knew, I know you gonna get I

24:00

know you're gonna get little passionate. I

24:02

know, I know, I know, I know, I know. I know that's my team. You

24:04

see what Jersey I got on, right, Yeah, I understand

24:07

that. But even you know yeah, okay,

24:09

all right, second best, Okay,

24:12

you are you want the fact? No, okay, cool,

24:15

second, second, second best. But even still

24:17

that's good when the when the thirty one other quarterbacks

24:20

in the league.

24:20

But if we get if Joe is

24:22

healthy, it's up and stuff.

24:26

Let me ask your question. You beat

24:28

the you're built to beat Kansas

24:30

City, and what happened? What happened

24:32

when you don't play Kansas City in the first eight weeks

24:34

of the season and you go down three five

24:36

like you normally do, then.

24:37

What we fight we fighting

24:40

clawback.

24:43

You're making it a lot more difficult on

24:45

yourself, exactly, exactly. Instead

24:48

of having all these games on the road, maybe

24:50

you get somebody, maybe Buffalo. Now you've

24:52

gone to Buffalo and beaten them. I'm

24:54

even going to Kansas City. But you make

24:58

your job a little easier difficult, right

25:01

as opposed to like get these

25:03

games at home. You don't

25:05

have to travel, you get to Steeno, sleep

25:07

in your own bad things of that nature. But

25:11

the injury is the biggest concern because

25:13

he's been injured more times he's not

25:15

finished this even more times than he has finished.

25:17

Yes, sir, yes, sir.

25:19

I mean that's you know what, It's

25:21

unfortunate. It's unfortunate.

25:23

But if anything to me, I

25:26

like to say this would

25:28

be the year he stays

25:30

injury free.

25:32

I just think it is. And if you're gonna get hurt.

25:34

Let's get hurt early in your career,

25:36

as opposed on the back end or opposed in

25:38

the middle.

25:39

Na. Hey, if I dodn't got me about

25:41

five or six, if you got me about three or four super Bowl, I

25:43

start to get hurt, I can break down because I can walk

25:45

away right now. You don't want to be You

25:47

don't want to be in a situation like Andrew Love. See,

25:50

it's a lot easy to walk away from the game when you Tom

25:52

Brady or Peyton manny, because

25:54

here I am in your twenty two

25:57

your ateen. Yeah, man, look at it. I got as

26:00

I've gotten super Bowls, I've gotten all the accolades.

26:02

But look at a guy like Andrew Love. He

26:05

has to walk away after what five six years?

26:08

Yeah, he got beat he got beat up badt

26:11

he gotta beat the bad But in Joe Burrow's

26:13

case, his injuries had nothing to do

26:15

with the punishment he was taking behind

26:17

center.

26:18

You know the calf, Yeah,

26:21

Risks, I'm not one.

26:22

Yeah, he got sacked in the pocket, he got tweaked

26:24

a certain way.

26:25

Yeah, but the thumb.

26:28

Did he hit his thumb on somebody's head? Cause didn't he break

26:30

us?

26:31

I'm not sure it was this wrist that was bothering risk

26:34

because I'm

26:37

not sure how it happened.

26:39

But one one

26:41

week they.

26:42

Saw him wearing a brace, you know, and

26:44

then played in the game he threw

26:46

and I don't I don't know what happened.

26:48

But again, I think he's healthy now,

26:50

he's gonna be all right. I'm sure.

26:52

I think might be in the off season program now. So

26:54

I mean they're gonna be fine. I would I would hope.

26:57

I hope they get something

26:59

done with Higgins because he's deserving,

27:02

He's he's desert, he's deserving.

27:04

So what you're gonna do, what you gonna

27:06

do with with Jefferson, I mean with

27:09

a Chase Chase?

27:10

I know, I know, I know.

27:12

Have you ever been on the team. Have you ever been on the team.

27:15

Have you ever seen a team pay

27:17

two number ones?

27:19

Nah?

27:20

Especially in today's market, what today's

27:22

market is what it is, because Jefferson

27:25

is gonna Jefferson. First of all, I

27:27

keep saying Jefferson Chase because

27:29

three of them, it's a just.

27:32

And justin, justin.

27:34

Everybody just wants the first one to see the

27:36

domino fall. Oh yeah, that's

27:38

what everybody's waiting for because I believe

27:41

all the teams really want to do something.

27:43

But I want you to set the market.

27:46

Right and so I can overlap.

27:47

So I overlap.

27:49

We all in the subdivision.

27:50

We all got twenty fifteen thousand

27:52

square foot home with pool, We

27:55

got theaters, we got a bowling alley,

27:57

We got an eight car garage with fifteen

27:59

bedrooms, ten bath We all got to

28:01

save houses. I just wait for somebody

28:03

to put their house on the market so I can see what the bad

28:06

is. That's what these guys are

28:08

doing.

28:08

Yeah.

28:09

No, nobody want to be first, because you already

28:11

know you will be the highest paid receiver for exactly

28:14

one.

28:14

Day, one day.

28:19

But maybe in the draft,

28:21

maybe in the draft.

28:22

Obviously, t Higgins said all the right things today,

28:24

he said all the right things at his camp. You

28:27

know, obviously requested the trade. We all know

28:29

that he is deserving of

28:32

what it is he wants. His play

28:34

has been magnificent. One of the few teams

28:37

where I think we were fortunate enough to have

28:39

two number one receivers. This is a

28:41

very very very very deep draft

28:43

class at the receiver position. Yeah, I

28:45

think maybe, I'm not sure what may

28:47

happen. He might get traded, maybe

28:50

the draft, maybe during the draft, you never

28:52

know, maybe during the draft. But again,

28:55

I love t I would love to see him with my Bangals,

28:57

but also from the business side of things. He's

29:00

done for the Bengals organization and that

29:02

team and that city, when he's done for me just

29:05

watching him, you know, from Afar, even

29:07

when he's at Clemson, to see him the maturation

29:10

and the growth that he's possessed

29:13

to this point. He is deserving of

29:15

that money, that big money, that kind

29:17

of money that secures your future where you're your mama

29:19

straight, you know, when you have kids, your kids

29:22

kids straight.

29:23

That's all. That's all I'm saying.

29:25

I would love to see him stay, but I also wanted

29:27

to get what he deserves, even if it's not in

29:29

Cincinnati.

29:30

Yeah, it's probably is probably gonna have to

29:32

be because I mean for him to stay,

29:34

because I don't I don't see a situation with Chase

29:37

because it's different quarterbacks. Quarterbacks

29:40

give a little discount. They always gonna take you at a

29:42

quarterback because they're the first guy that gonna

29:44

come say, you know what, we're gonna take your salary

29:47

and we're gonna turn it into a signing bonus and we're

29:49

gonna put it in portable years down the straight, down

29:51

the road. So they're always willing.

29:53

Normally nine times out of ten

29:56

they'll kick the can down the road for the quarterback,

29:59

right, everybody, all the

30:01

other positions. So if I'm a wide receiver,

30:03

especially that first come. First of all,

30:05

I ain't given nobody no discount.

30:06

No, not the first contract. No no, no, no,

30:08

absolutely no not the.

30:10

First absolutely not, absolutely

30:12

not. I wouldn't give none anyway because

30:15

because because here's the thing, like

30:17

Keenan Allen said, I had my best

30:20

year, y'all want me to take

30:22

a pay cut. Yeah, so what happens if

30:24

I don't have my best Oh Joe, you already

30:26

know they're gonna come see me.

30:27

Yeah, you know you know that. You know that, and you're

30:29

gonna you get that knock on the door. You know how, you

30:31

know how to k not go.

30:32

But I thought, but hold on, I thought I signed

30:34

the contract because that's what they tell you when

30:37

you want to renegotiate.

30:38

Yeah, you signed the contract, didn't you.

30:40

Okay, you signed it to your

30:42

neighbors up in the mind, right, But

30:45

so now all of a sudden, now

30:48

it's it's.

30:49

Not well, you know, we got to do what's in the best

30:51

in the team. Team.

30:52

Well, you know what, I made all my money because

30:55

I need to do what in the best interest of the Chase

30:57

family. That's my mom my grandma,

30:59

granded is all the family, that's

31:01

my team. I didn't do what's in the best interests

31:03

of them. So hopefully

31:05

guys do a better job of understanding

31:08

that, because you know what, Baseball players don't really

31:10

give no deals. You notice that no,

31:13

and they get guaranteed. But show

31:15

hell Taney seven hundred

31:17

million, he's gonna get all seven

31:19

hundred million, every dollar and

31:22

they got. And they got Mookie Best on the on the

31:24

payroll that three hundred and sixty five million.

31:26

They got Freddy Preemer, Oh, Freddy from from

31:29

he from California, but he was a brave he's

31:31

on the payroll for buck sixty bucks

31:34

seventy. Yeah, and they got so many. They

31:36

got the other Japanese picture

31:38

that they just came over, just paid him a boatload

31:40

of money.

31:41

Hey, you know what, I already thought about what

31:43

but well, all I got damn money come from man when

31:45

it come to baseball.

31:46

Now get

31:48

they the same place they got it in

31:50

football?

31:52

So hold on

31:55

half the time them stadiums don't even be filled up.

31:58

So I'm trying to understand where that kind of money

32:00

coming from when it comes to baseball.

32:02

They got it in football, but you see what

32:04

baseball players did when they shut it down.

32:07

There was no playoffs, there was no World

32:09

Series. They was willing to set out and

32:12

the Players Association said, look, we're

32:14

doing we're gearing up for this day. So

32:17

for the next several years, we need

32:19

you to sell no big purchases, No

32:23

big purchases, right, and

32:26

now we ain't playing

32:29

pumps.

32:32

But you know, you know it would take to get

32:34

the NFL players that come together

32:37

like that, it'd be very difficult

32:39

because I mean, there are a lot of

32:41

players you know that that when

32:43

the off season come, they've already

32:46

run through really all their money, all

32:48

of it. They really run through all their

32:50

money. And a lot of people in the chat you really really

32:52

don't understand this. It's like they can't

32:54

wait until it gets in the season for those

32:56

checks to start rolling in again. And

32:58

the fact that it doesn't matter of that you're getting

33:01

paid twice is or three or four or five

33:03

times more as opposed to when we was playing.

33:05

If you're making more, you spending more,

33:08

yeah, spending more.

33:09

It don't change.

33:10

And sometimes it's god damn almost

33:12

like living check the check.

33:14

Even if you're making millions, that ship happens.

33:16

That's why the percentage of us when

33:19

we're done playing within two years

33:21

huh two years once some

33:23

checks stopped rolling in or you ain't got

33:25

no money.

33:25

Now, I mean, how

33:28

many how many big? How many cuban leaks

33:30

you need?

33:30

Don't yo?

33:31

Okay, you get you one, you get you get you a

33:33

little little bracelet, little master. Did you train right?

33:36

Do you need five cubans? Yeah?

33:39

Hey, listen, do you need Do you.

33:41

Need a house in Miami? One in Houston?

33:43

And BLUs? You know you got hey, you

33:45

know you got to have what you know? What you

33:48

do about it?

33:49

I already know you at I got to know you. I'm

33:51

with you when you're right. I'm with you when you right place.

33:54

And they got a g wagon, they got a culling,

33:56

and they

33:59

is.

33:59

You only drive one? You can only

34:01

drive one?

34:02

Matter of fact, this is this is a good scenario

34:04

and a good case in point. Think about this chat,

34:07

stay with me real quick on this one right here. Think

34:09

about everybody from Shannon Sharp's

34:12

era. Now, think about all

34:14

the players from my era. Show

34:16

me any of the players from my era or Shannon

34:18

Sharp's era that are still living the

34:20

same exact lifestyle as if they're

34:22

playing the game of football.

34:25

Think about it.

34:26

Yeah, driving all the nice shit, all the bigger

34:29

It's impossible to maintain that

34:31

lifestyle when checks of that magnitude

34:35

stop rolling in.

34:36

There's nothing else in this world where you can.

34:38

You can make six hundred and fifty thousand

34:41

a week, nothing, it's

34:43

impossible. You can make two hundred fifty thousand

34:45

every Monday, three hundred and fifty thousand

34:47

every every it's nothing.

34:49

That's very These guys make these guys making

34:51

these guys making three million a game, yep.

34:55

And the funny thing about it is is you make it three

34:57

million a game, and you think, you know what, it is

35:00

always gonna be like this. So you're spinning

35:02

unconsciously having

35:05

fun fashion cars,

35:07

going here, trips. You know you gotta

35:09

punch, you gotta You got a bunch of chicks, so you know you're

35:11

tricking office.

35:12

You're tricking off as well.

35:13

And you bring your homes with

35:15

you. You know they ain't paying for nothing.

35:17

They entourages, the entourages. That's

35:20

a lot of mouth of feed. Ain't nobody paying for nothing?

35:22

Well, when you look up, you and your six. When

35:25

you look up, you're in your eight. Oh, god

35:27

forbid, you have an injury. Oh

35:29

sh or listen, Joe,

35:32

that should go fast boy.

35:34

Whatever you made, whatever, whatever

35:36

I made, Yeah,

35:39

I go ahead and take half of it. Oh, put

35:41

it in the bank, Sam, Yeah,

35:44

I kept I paid my taxes quarterly.

35:47

I got tired of writing three four million dollars checks

35:49

at the end of the year. So now you take this, it's quarterly.

35:52

It hurt, It would hurt my pride. I

35:54

gotta pay that much. So

35:57

what I do is that, Hey, whatever I

35:59

made, I got one hundred thousand, I get two hundred thousand,

36:02

I get a half a million, two

36:04

fifty gold or one hundred goal or

36:06

fifty thousand gold. I set down aside.

36:09

Now this is what I got towards

36:11

my expenses. Because Uncle

36:14

Sam gotta get he got expended. I gotta pay Uncle

36:16

Sam. He got a big old house. Yeah,

36:18

he got a big old house in DC, the

36:20

big one. And then he got another building I think

36:23

they called it the Capitol. And then they got the Penagon,

36:25

and we got on them beat of Steph Bombers

36:27

and you know the f sixteen hornets.

36:30

Yeah, I got to pay

36:32

my party and all that, right, Yeah, understand

36:35

that. Also, Ojo, you got an agent.

36:38

M h he taking it, you're taking it.

36:40

He gonna get two to four percent.

36:42

Yo, yeah, oh yeah, most definitely.

36:45

So you know, it's funny if we

36:47

had somebody, I

36:49

think, the casual fan. You

36:51

have to be a player to understand the casual fancy

36:53

the numbers at the end of the day and think, oh

36:56

my god, he signed for two

36:58

fifty or.

36:59

Three or whatever it may be.

37:02

But when you break down the numbers

37:04

and actually you get that chopping half with

37:06

Uncle Sam take, then you factor

37:09

in your expenses. Yes, then you

37:11

think about what goes to your agent.

37:13

Then you think about what you got left

37:15

over. It shrinked

37:18

significantly the regards

37:20

of what those numbers said. Going across that take on ESPN,

37:23

it's a different ball game.

37:24

It's all smoking mirrors. It's about the

37:26

real like what you can touch.

37:28

Yeah she but see,

37:30

Ojo. The best thing that I did I

37:34

was I switched agents. The agent that

37:36

I have you represented John. I remember

37:38

asking John to say, John, who's your agent? He told

37:40

me. His name Marvin Demo. I said, you think he'd

37:42

be interested in representing me? Is, I

37:44

don't know, but here's this number. He gave his number. I called

37:46

him,

37:50

had a meeting with him. Is I'll meet

37:52

you at the Pro Bowl. Right. He

37:54

asked me, what did I want

37:57

in my future? I told him, I said,

37:59

I want to live this same lifestyle that I have right now.

38:02

He said, you have any kids? I said, I got three. How

38:05

old? I told them how old they were? He said, do

38:07

you support anybody outside of your kid? I

38:09

was like my mom. I helped my mom out. My mom

38:11

was still working at the time, I said, my grandmother

38:13

and my sister. At the

38:15

time. My brother had just had just retired.

38:17

I said, I take all that responsibility.

38:20

He says, go home, get

38:23

me all your financials of how much you

38:25

actually have, Get

38:28

me everything that you

38:30

spend, and then

38:32

I'll get back to you in thirty to forty five days.

38:38

Brought him everything I had, right, like,

38:40

well, I mean, you don't

38:42

blow a lot of your money. I don't see

38:45

boats. I don't see at that

38:47

time, Oh, Joe, I had, you know, had nice cards,

38:49

but I always I never I didn't have a card

38:51

note so I had to pay them off in cash,

38:54

no trips. He says, this is what we're

38:57

gonna do. He says, we're gonna do this,

38:59

this, this, and this. He says, I want

39:01

you to is if any time you have an

39:03

appearance, he says, I want you

39:05

to divide it up and put it in an

39:07

account for each kid college. So

39:10

we're gonna do that every time you go

39:12

do something, no matter how that's not yours,

39:15

that's theirs. Okay, he

39:17

says, Now your

39:19

contract is gonna come up. You know, Hey, we're gonna

39:21

talk about this. We'll see what the market it is. He

39:23

said, this is what we're gonna do. He said,

39:26

the first you

39:28

know it's half. Yeah,

39:32

but I want you to take whatever you get,

39:34

whatever we get. I want you to take a third

39:37

and say I'm not gonna touch it for twenty years.

39:41

Okay, that was three years.

39:43

We go to Baltimore.

39:45

Hey, y'all have a free agency.

39:47

You know it's

39:50

coming. Seven time Pro

39:52

Bowler, four time first team, seven

39:54

consecutive Pro Bowl. I'm on the market.

39:57

Yeah

39:59

whatever get shennon. He

40:01

said, I want you to take a third and

40:04

put it away for twenty years. You can't touch it.

40:06

For twenty years. Now,

40:08

hold on, don't you think about it?

40:09

Now?

40:10

Twenty years and I'm like, what damn? What if?

40:12

What if something unforeseen? You

40:14

know brother Mom's sister

40:17

Sennon, I want you to put a third

40:20

for twenty years? Man,

40:25

Oh Joe, you know, so

40:28

I went earlier this year and

40:31

I talked. I was talking to him and he said, I need, you

40:33

know, give me your financials. I

40:35

brought him all the financials.

40:42

Oh Joe.

40:45

You know what they told me. He

40:47

said, go buy yourself something.

40:51

I say, but that twenty years and you ain't touch

40:53

it.

40:53

Ain't touch it, you are.

40:56

I already know what it's looking like. You ain't got to tell

40:58

me, man, he ain't got to tell.

41:00

Me, oh joe.

41:02

So that's why. That's why

41:05

when when uh

41:08

Fox did what they did, oh

41:10

Shaye was straight.

41:11

Yeah now unluss.

41:13

They had to do the payout, the payout, hey,

41:15

but oh Steveh.

41:16

They came by with his little lightboard, say

41:19

I heard somebody over here need a little sister out

41:22

of Yeah, you know, I had a little you know, little cop

41:24

broke down side the roads.

41:25

And come on old

41:27

old triple s. Yeah. So

41:32

now.

41:35

So now I'm thinking, Okay, I've

41:37

got the kids and the grand

41:39

kids. I'm

41:41

trying to get my grandson

41:43

kid his kid

41:47

straight. But

41:49

there wasn't no fancy. It wasn't no going

41:52

on, no this, and no express travagainst

41:54

stuff like that. No, my

41:57

sister the a sh get me A. I

41:59

don't need no you know you know what I did,

42:01

oh, Joe, I got my sister.

42:04

I bought her. She told me she

42:07

wanted a limited That's

42:09

why you know the Southern you know, they don't

42:11

speak correctly. Right right, I

42:14

heard expedition. She

42:17

said limited edition.

42:19

Right.

42:22

So at that time, the expeditions had just

42:24

came out. I said, So I told her, I said,

42:26

ny, if I got you an expedition. She said,

42:28

Shannon, what is that? I said, I wanted a

42:31

limited edition. She wanted an Explorer,

42:33

but she wanted a limited an edition. I

42:37

heard expedition. So

42:39

I done went to the I done went to the dealership and got

42:42

it. Actually, Elway had a

42:44

car dealership, and I went to the dealership

42:46

and.

42:46

Got it the wrong thing.

42:49

I don't got the wrong thing. She's

42:51

like, Shaddy, I don't want that. But just so half

42:53

of the dealership in my hometown, they had

42:55

won them a.

42:56

Lot right, So you just traded, you traded

42:58

the back.

43:00

I want it. I want it. I want it. I bet

43:02

you do. I bet you do want it. So

43:05

but but that was the that was the

43:07

thing. And so and oh

43:09

Joe, see, I'm just watched like I've

43:11

always been a provider. And

43:13

I understand that I'm the baby of the group and

43:16

I'm just saying on, but I'm

43:19

the I take over. I took over everything

43:22

because once my brother left, now

43:24

I got all the responsibility. So that's

43:27

my thinking. That's why family. I put family

43:29

above everything. Yes, And I don't play

43:31

about my family. My thing is so

43:33

when something when something bothered my family,

43:35

it bothers me because

43:38

I'm I'm close like that. And I gave my grandmother

43:40

on a death bed. I got this.

43:42

Yeah.

43:43

And when I say I got it, you got

43:45

it. Hey, my brother,

43:47

Hey, go to bed, risks. You ain't never got to

43:49

worry about money. Live me, go to bed, sleep easy.

43:52

You ain't never got to worry about money. Hey, guys,

43:54

I want to say this. My sister had the surgery,

43:56

both of him prepared.

43:58

She's already home, she's walking.

44:00

She competitive she just tried to beat me because

44:02

I was I was walking unassisted the

44:04

second time in six days. We fared

44:07

him. So she's trying to beat me. She done walked

44:09

up and down the hall, and she all a

44:11

ride and everything. My cousin called

44:13

me and said, uh, I asked her how she do it? She

44:15

said, what I got this morning was already set up.

44:18

She's already given a sep here

44:21

for She's just trying to beat me. Makes

44:23

me sick. That's good, but that's

44:25

that's how I am, O Joe. So I saved,

44:28

and people like, well, man, you bro to

44:32

what I make to what

44:34

I sped, the ratio is not even close, not

44:37

even close.

44:37

You know, man, man worse than yours.

44:39

But minus minus always

44:42

always been like that, you know that.

44:43

It's it's a it's a discipline that

44:45

you learned very early. Yeah, early,

44:48

matter of fact, because we heard the stories. Oh Joe, we've

44:50

seen it.

44:51

I've seen guys that I played with man and

44:53

this they they they they down bad

44:55

man.

45:01

Listen.

45:02

I think it might have been my first year might

45:05

have been my first year, and I

45:08

went second round obviously thirty.

45:10

I forgot what pick I went, you know, And

45:13

I think my signing botus might have been what

45:15

maybe one five one two something like

45:17

that.

45:19

Lord, oh listen, and.

45:20

You know when you're young now you in Florida, that ain't

45:23

you know? Yeah, you know you're

45:25

young. You're young now, And so I'm

45:29

thinking I'm having fun. I'm having a good

45:31

old time. I look

45:33

up off season. Come, boll,

45:37

I done ran through all that.

45:40

Hey, listen to me.

45:41

Now, I dodn'et ran through all that because

45:44

I wasn't paying attention and

45:46

I hadn't learned to.

45:47

Say no and chat.

45:49

Listen, family, y'all stayed with me because I can tell y'all this,

45:51

And I'm gonna tell you where the discipline come from.

45:53

For me, because it started early after that

45:55

first year, the off season that came.

45:58

We got into the middle of the season, we got about we

46:00

got about to maybe April

46:03

May. I'll never forget. I

46:06

was with Jerome Stanley at the time. But

46:09

unc I had I had ran out. Bro you

46:12

hear me, let me tell, let me take my glass off. But you know, I play

46:14

a lot. I had ran

46:16

out. I ain't had nothing left.

46:19

So I talked to missus Stanley. I say,

46:21

Missus Stanley, man out and messed up through

46:24

no problem.

46:25

Boom.

46:27

Dennis north Cut Cleveland

46:29

Brown's ride receiver and chat. If anybody

46:31

in the chat no Dennis north Cut, I guarantee

46:33

it to tell you, Dennis north Cut had to give

46:36

me one hundred fifty thousand. Might

46:38

have been year one maybe maybe, Yeah, it had

46:40

it had to be year one, because after

46:42

that I was on point. Then Dennis north Cut had to give

46:44

me one hundred fifty grand so

46:46

I can get through the so I can get through the season, get

46:48

through the off season. And

46:51

when them check started rolling, I shot

46:53

Buddy that money back. From

46:55

that point on, well we talked about

46:57

chip. Yeah, man,

46:59

listen. I became so financially

47:01

conscious of everything I did, started

47:04

going to clips.

47:06

I got that smart car probably in two thousand

47:08

and four. I treated myself the

47:10

things that I got nice. That was all.

47:13

If it wasn't the commercial money, it wasn't if it wasn't

47:15

TV money. You know, all that stuff I had going off the field.

47:18

I ain't touched no more NFL

47:20

checks from that point on, when

47:23

I couldn't make it through a goddamn off season.

47:25

Basically, so you think

47:27

about you got one five, you got realized

47:29

I was making sixty three my rent

47:31

at meal PONK. I was I made sixty

47:34

three thousand of my rookie year mill

47:36

pond. The rent was five. Hold on, first

47:38

of all, you couldn't do like you know how you got

47:40

to do a rent. You gotta do a

47:42

rent right like a year. Yeah,

47:45

but I told her to see I got I got the apartment

47:48

because I couldn't move in. Boy,

47:51

And this is this I had. God was looking

47:53

out for me. Yes, sir, my apartment

47:55

wasn't going to be ready. So I made the team

47:58

in August. Our parliament wasn't

48:00

gonna be ready until the

48:03

first of October. I ain't

48:05

got no where to state. First, I I

48:07

ain't got O Jo. I ain't got no o Joe. I ain't

48:09

got no place to go, man, unless I go

48:11

to the hotel. Hotel

48:13

probably about fifty bucks a night. Oh

48:16

to everybody know Melvyn bra you

48:18

may call him fat Cat Hell fat

48:21

Cat. Say I got him too. I

48:23

got him in the first two weeks. Hump

48:25

you take him the next ten days. Bobby

48:27

Humphrey, Ricky

48:30

nat you bring it home. So

48:32

I slept with I slept with fat Cat

48:34

the first two weeks. Then I went to Bobby

48:37

Humphrey. They dropped me off for me

48:39

mail took cause I ain't got that time. I ain't have no car just

48:41

yet. Then I got my car in the process.

48:44

I'm living with b Hump. Then

48:46

Hump asked about No, I ain't got no

48:48

car because I'm driving Ricky the Teals. Ricky

48:51

the Teal let me drive here. He had a four x four

48:53

h based out. He

48:56

let me drive here. Let me drive his front runner

49:00

for five weeks. I'm living with teammates.

49:02

Yeah, so now October,

49:05

November, December, January, February,

49:08

March, I got to get six months. I

49:10

ain't living there, so I'm paying

49:12

one thousand dollars for place I ain't

49:14

even living. I

49:17

got to go back and finish up my degree. I

49:20

stay in this place called Royal Loakes. Hey,

49:22

and anybody in Savannah you know Royal Oakes, Oh,

49:25

Joe A thousand bucks a month, and

49:27

I got a furnish it and I got a place

49:29

to go back to Savannah State.

49:33

So I paid for my own tuition, Yes,

49:35

sir.

49:36

Now, had the president had some of these presidents

49:38

that that I've been dealing with, they probably would

49:41

say, well, come on back. But I had to pay. I paid,

49:43

No problem, wasn't no problem. Even though I wasn't

49:45

making money like that, they just oh, tell

49:47

you no, NFL people say, you've been paying professionals,

49:49

professionals this, you make a lot of money. But I wasn't

49:53

had a cell phone.

49:54

Now.

49:54

I don't know if you know this on Joe, but people,

49:56

if y'all knowbody, in the nineties, they

49:58

had a Roman charge. So my phone,

50:01

my phone was based out of Colorado.

50:04

I brought the phone back to Georgia. Anytime

50:06

I powered up, I'm roaming man,

50:09

free phone dollars a minute. And you know

50:11

your boy big time of Oh Joe, you do, I've been mad.

50:13

I can't tell you what right

50:16

right right?

50:17

Yeah, I'm on my way. Hey,

50:20

bro, hey, man, what's going

50:22

on? I called my brother, said, bro, what's going on? He

50:25

like, I said, man, your

50:28

boy money jump Fuddy said

50:30

what you mean? I

50:37

said, boy, you boy money jump from I said, man.

50:39

You know, I said, man, I'm I'm

50:42

trying to go back to school, you know, finish up

50:44

my degree. Yes, sir, And

50:47

you know, he said, well, the

50:50

first thing I want you to do is turn that dawn

50:52

phone off, all.

50:53

Right, get that roaming off there?

50:55

Yeah, yeah, get that rolling up, cause the bill was like

50:57

the bill was like, oh, tild I got that bill like twelve.

50:59

Hundred doll got same, yes

51:02

in the nineties. In the nineties, shit

51:04

twelve hundred.

51:06

Now, mind you, I'm still paying five

51:08

hundred, five ten and five twenty five and mill

51:10

pond, I'm still paying. I got twelve hundred.

51:13

I got like, uh a

51:15

thousand. I think it was like ony twenty nine at

51:18

Royal Loakes and I had to go to rental centem

51:20

because I ain't got no furniture. So I got to rid furniture,

51:23

furnish the whole apartment like two fifty

51:25

three hundred dollars a month, right, and I

51:27

got to pay to go back to school. I ain't

51:29

got no money coming in on Joe.

51:31

Yeah, Hey, it's different,

51:34

listen. I don't I don't think.

51:36

I don't think people understand, man, I don't

51:38

think people understand. Obviously, the money's

51:40

a little bit different today. But

51:43

again, if the discipline isn't there,

51:45

I learned quick.

51:46

I learned quick. It took me one year, one

51:48

year, with five I finally made it. I

51:51

went through it.

51:52

Holy, I'm back at I'm back at square

51:54

one. Yeah, and somebody else

51:56

that had that been had been playing. Got

51:58

to send me enough, just survived during the off

52:01

season.

52:02

Oh no boo, I.

52:04

Will never be I will never ever, ever

52:06

ever be in this situation

52:08

again ever. Tight

52:11

up real quick, hey, then, Dennis

52:13

north Cot, if you see this, I know you're gonna see this. Boy,

52:16

I appreciate you because it's because of you that

52:19

got me to get myself together. Boy, So

52:22

forget it.

52:23

My going into going into my

52:26

going into my second year, my second year. Get

52:28

ready. So now, o Joe, I'm

52:30

a you know, first two years, I made sixty three

52:32

thousand, I think I made sixty three, and then seventy

52:35

three got a ten thousand dollars raised, right, And so by

52:37

this time I got a

52:39

I ain't got no contract, right, no

52:42

contract, oh joke. So

52:46

but I kept my place year

52:49

round this time. So I'm playing.

52:52

I ain't got no hey, I ain't got no money coming in.

52:55

You know, I'm spending. You know I'm going to Black College.

52:57

Beat we you know you bought the boy?

53:00

Do that? Oh? Oh

53:03

freak you boy?

53:05

Yeah.

53:07

My brother called me. He said, look

53:09

here, and this

53:11

is the first this is really the only time in all

53:14

in all my years, my brother

53:16

has ever cursed in me.

53:19

The only time ever he picked

53:21

up the phone.

53:22

He called me. He said, what's up?

53:24

You know, I mean, what's up? Bro?

53:26

Ain't what's up?

53:26

We're good.

53:28

I could tell by the tone

53:30

of his voice. Of his voice, he

53:33

wasn't in a joking move. Oh yeah, like what's

53:35

up?

53:35

Man?

53:36

This is what he said to me, Birdbato, I'm

53:40

not gonna go broke fucking with you and

53:44

hung the phone up and hung up. That's

53:48

the only time my brother has

53:50

ever uttered a curse word at

53:52

me.

53:53

The only time.

53:57

Say no more, yeah, say

53:59

no more. He god, oh

54:02

Joe, because I was I'm thinking, man, this I'm gonna

54:04

be. I'm gonna be Here's like, bro, And you

54:07

know, later he is facing and say, Bro, you don't

54:09

understand an injury here or

54:11

something happens there, you not

54:13

gonna you not gonna play in the NFL.

54:16

Is if you were a doctor or a lawyer

54:19

or had a normal occupation, your

54:21

career is not going to be as long

54:24

as theirs. And you needed to understand

54:26

that, right. But

54:28

he was the only one that my sister would call me. I said, get

54:31

out of my faith. But that was the only time. And

54:33

from that moment on, well,

54:36

I don't have no choice because I started having babies

54:38

then.

54:38

You know, yeah, oh you ain't got no choice. That

54:40

that that that'll get you. That'll gets you, right, that'll

54:43

get you.

54:44

Oh Joe, you know what the three words I hated m

54:46

hm three words

54:48

to this day, and I ain't heard him since.

54:51

I love you, Shannon.

54:54

I'm praying God, WHOA.

55:06

Got to be

55:08

more careful? Yeah?

55:10

Yeah, listen, listen, they

55:13

were they were nothing but blessings on the back

55:15

end.

55:17

Nothing did because because

55:19

here's the thing, Oh Joe, Now my homeboy

55:22

is hearing. My homeboy is Savannah right

55:24

he hear it? Yeah, he probably

55:26

ain't gonna make it. You know they he ain't gonna make it. Look

55:28

at that, he thought he was gonna be a first round pick. He

55:30

going the seventh round. He ain't gonna even make the team.

55:33

My homeboy, dude, like a

55:35

kid, he ain't gonna be able to be He ain't gonna be able to take

55:37

care of them kids. YadA, YadA, YadA. Man,

55:42

Oh Joe, And I remember my grandmother.

55:45

The only thing she ever said, you

55:48

make them you take care of him. Now that's

55:51

it. She didn't, she wasn't. I'm disappointed

55:53

in you because I didn't raise you like that. The only

55:56

thing she said, take care of them kids,

55:58

boy. Because you know old people that don't call you bout

56:00

your name. My grandma very call me my name.

56:02

She called me boy, called me son. That's the way they do it

56:04

inside. Hey, hey boy, take care of them

56:06

kids. Okay, it

56:11

got oh Jo. It made me focus,

56:13

but it gave me a desire because

56:16

my desire to succeed now was far

56:18

greater than your desire to want me to fail. But

56:21

see, the one thing that I had in my favorite

56:24

that you didn't is that I controlled my success.

56:27

Only thing you could do was wish and hope. Right,

56:30

I had it in my hands, mad,

56:35

Oh Joe, bad look here, but

56:37

those man, that was that was that

56:39

was That was the time, Oh Joe, that I look

56:42

back and I think about it, and as

56:44

we talk about a lot of times financially,

56:47

we weren't always the most financially

56:50

responsible people. Now take

56:52

a time now. Sometimes you

56:54

don't get an opportunity to recover because if you make

56:57

too great a mistake at this

56:59

joke, sho my life. I ain't trying to hit number

57:01

of singles. I ain't trying to hit nothing out of the park.

57:03

You can't walk

57:05

if I need the walk as long as I get on base.

57:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

57:11

it is different. Man.

57:12

Financial literacy is so important for us,

57:15

not even it's not even about being an athlete,

57:17

just for everybody in general. Understanding

57:19

the value of a dollar. You know, I had I had to

57:21

learn. I learned really quick. It just took one

57:23

incident. It took one mistake, and it

57:26

tightened and straightened me up really quick. And it's gotten

57:28

me to the point where I am today. Listen, eleven

57:30

twelve years move for the game. And obviously

57:33

I'm very fortunate, you know,

57:35

because some of the people surrounded

57:37

by me, Doug for one, some

57:40

other people, to

57:42

where I'm at a point now where I'm making more now

57:45

and I'm not even playing football. I ain't

57:47

got to take no hits, I ain't got to score no touchdowns.

57:49

I don't making more now, and I ain't caught

57:52

a damn pass.

57:52

In ten years, thank you man.

57:55

Listen.

57:56

You know.

57:57

But then those those principles

57:59

and not that that financial discipline

58:01

is still instilled in me.

58:03

I have a little I have a little fun here and there, you

58:05

know, for kids, but it's

58:08

never to the extreme. Would have to maintain

58:10

and keep up an image.

58:12

No, never, never,

58:14

I never get to that point because

58:16

I understand, like

58:18

I don't care what you see going across that screen, across

58:21

that ticker, but that money, that money would

58:23

jump funny real fast if

58:25

you if you move a wrong. My grandma always

58:27

said, a fool and his money sells

58:30

shooing part ways.

58:31

They will every time.

58:34

And then at what point time? O jo it

58:36

like me?

58:37

For cars?

58:38

Oh Joe, I done have had every car Ferraris,

58:40

don't do it for me. Mercedes.

58:43

I've had every Rose Rust, I've

58:45

had them all. So now me just

58:47

getting the car he ain't ain't no

58:49

road, that range, that getting the thank service every year

58:51

it is still drive good.

58:53

And you get from point A to point B the exact

58:55

same. Hoo.

58:56

How about my my dumb ass. I

58:58

think it was twenty two thousand and nine, maybe twenty

59:00

ten. I leased the damn Bugatti

59:03

for a year and then I get,

59:05

I get fined when year were playing the Philadelphia

59:07

Eagles in the preseason, I

59:10

get I forgot who was number fifty five, Caucasian

59:13

Caucasian brother, I forgot his name. I

59:15

got hit across the middle to about

59:17

big hit mane is preseason. I'm like, well, god

59:20

Lee, I think mahommey went flying. I

59:22

went to the sideline and I

59:24

had my phone on the sideline. I tweeted, it's

59:27

okay, guys, I'm okay. It was a good hit. I

59:30

tweeted the NFL find me twenty five

59:33

thousand in

59:35

the preseason. Hunk I

59:38

tweeted out the following day, I'm chat, y'all

59:40

can find this tweet too. I tweeted out the following day,

59:42

Well, man, they done took twenty five thousand. That

59:45

was one of my Bugatti payments.

59:48

Man. I took that car back by the month

59:50

later. Man, get this, get

59:53

this, get this?

59:54

Why but you already locked into the you might

59:56

as what just cap it?

59:57

Manunk I took that car back a

1:00:00

a month later. By the

1:00:02

time we got the God Down November, we was

1:00:04

in the priasy. By the time we got to November, you

1:00:06

got baby, you got to go.

1:00:08

You got to go.

1:00:08

Many I had did that based off I had

1:00:11

had all type of shows in the off season, so

1:00:13

it was coming in like crazy, so like you know what, I'm gonna

1:00:15

treat myself and get something I've never had

1:00:18

before that not very many people had and

1:00:20

I did that. You know, I treated

1:00:22

myself a little bit, but it had nothing. But look what I

1:00:25

had coming in on the field right, never

1:00:27

again, I said, let me lock back in and

1:00:30

get back to the discipline that I had fucking

1:00:32

displayed the past six or seven years.

1:00:34

But I know, I know what it's like to drive it now

1:00:37

and.

1:00:37

Then plus O Joe out here, whatever

1:00:40

kind of car you think you can have driving

1:00:44

in Beverly Hills, and when you pull

1:00:46

up to the light, I guarantee you gonna see another one looked

1:00:48

just like it's just like a color. Yeah, unless

1:00:51

you got the Space Shuttle and

1:00:54

they got those. Yeah, So

1:00:56

I don't know who. You try and impress God,

1:01:00

drive around here and you're gonna see seventy

1:01:02

million, one hundred million, two hundred

1:01:05

million dollar mansion. You think you're impressing

1:01:07

somebody and they tap a button and the

1:01:09

whole wall go down into the floor, the

1:01:12

entire wall. To imagine

1:01:14

you got whatever size house you got, you

1:01:17

press a button and the wall disappears.

1:01:21

So you can't impress nobody. So once

1:01:23

you realize that you can't impress nobody

1:01:26

out here, man,

1:01:28

wush I might I'm aa drive mine? Man? What

1:01:31

you driver a two thy and twelve

1:01:33

rane.

1:01:33

Roll a two thousand and five

1:01:36

smart car, stick with the.

1:01:37

Ribs scuffed up. Man, Wait on't you get the

1:01:39

rib painted?

1:01:40

Why?

1:01:43

Why? That didn't really hurting

1:01:45

nobody? That's what I'm gonna pull

1:01:47

up to the curb again and go scuff

1:01:49

them up again. So I'm good man.

1:01:52

I mean, once you realize,

1:01:54

oh, show that the people that you try

1:01:57

and impress, they don't really care how

1:02:00

to you? If you think about people don't really care about

1:02:02

you.

1:02:03

No, it don't, it

1:02:05

don't.

1:02:05

And I tell people all the time, I tell

1:02:08

players, even the players plan today. I

1:02:10

tell them all the time. I say, listen, find

1:02:12

a way to make yourself a household name. Find

1:02:15

yourself a way to make your yourself a household

1:02:17

name. And you do that by what you do on the field. And

1:02:19

you get to a point in your career where

1:02:22

your name is

1:02:24

bigger than anything you can buy. Your

1:02:27

name is bigger than anything you can purchase. So it doesn't

1:02:30

matter what you're driving, they

1:02:32

recognizing who the individual is outside

1:02:34

that helmet. Yep, When

1:02:36

your name and your visibility is bigger

1:02:38

than anything you can purchase to put on and well, there

1:02:41

will be your value.

1:02:43

Yeah, there we your value right there.

1:02:44

You don't need the fancy car. You don't need all

1:02:47

the motherfucker jewelry because when you out in

1:02:49

public, Oh shit, I.

1:02:52

Got a I got got

1:02:54

me a little nail. Yeah, got that too,

1:02:57

raised. But I need to get my number back. I got to

1:02:59

get my number because know when my house got broken into,

1:03:01

it took my number and it

1:03:04

wasn't yeah man, and

1:03:06

my brother gave it to me. Send

1:03:09

them seeing the thing else. Like the watches now,

1:03:11

even the watches now, O Joe, they don't have the

1:03:13

same they don't have the same value to me, because,

1:03:17

oh Joe, it was a grind every

1:03:20

watch that I got. I saw that watch

1:03:22

and I was like, I save up and

1:03:24

get it, get it.

1:03:25

Yeah that's a good feeling too, man,

1:03:28

Oh that's a good feeling.

1:03:30

That's what hurts so bad, O Joe, is that

1:03:32

I saved up to get those watches.

1:03:34

Man.

1:03:35

I mean, man, that thing hurt.

1:03:37

It wasn't like I said, it wasn't the because insurance

1:03:40

covering everything. It was that man. I was like,

1:03:42

man, I remember seeing that watch. I

1:03:44

was like, I'm gonna get that Okay, five

1:03:48

thousand here say, oh, I got an appearance there,

1:03:50

then an autograph signing here something

1:03:52

there. End up saving It might take me two

1:03:55

years, but I got it. And

1:03:57

the feeling that when you save up to get

1:04:00

something like me, Oh Joe, that's why I don't.

1:04:02

That's why I don't really do a whole lot right,

1:04:04

because I got money out to go do it. It ain't

1:04:07

like it don't have the same meaning to

1:04:09

me.

1:04:09

Nah, And you know you know what's good now?

1:04:11

You're speaking of saving, right, I

1:04:13

myself, we just got we just got a new place, obviously,

1:04:16

see the back dragon.

1:04:16

I'm not at the old place no more.

1:04:18

Right.

1:04:19

I told Real, I give you a

1:04:21

year and a half and I'm up.

1:04:23

Out of here.

1:04:24

Well, I don't know what she gonna be. I know I'm leaving,

1:04:27

so I got the hold.

1:04:27

I got my hold up.

1:04:28

Hold on, let me show you record. Hold on, I ain't I ain't bullshit.

1:04:39

Listen, but you

1:04:41

see this, you about the building? Know how you about

1:04:43

to build a house?

1:04:44

Boy, I'm un I'm not playing. I'm

1:04:46

unkle, I'm not playing. I got I got my float plans

1:04:48

right here. I got my float plans right here. This

1:04:51

is it's called O Show's world. I

1:04:54

told Real, I say listen, I'm gonna give a year and a half. We

1:04:56

ain't gonna be here no more. I know, we just got I think we only

1:04:59

be here three weeks. I give

1:05:01

you a year and a half and were moving. I

1:05:03

want, I got, I told myself

1:05:06

by twenty twenty five, I need

1:05:08

to be breaking ground in January.

1:05:09

Oh my birthday. I need to be breaking ground on January.

1:05:12

It's called Ojo's World.

1:05:13

Little twelve thousand, little twelve thousand square foot

1:05:16

the twelve man, listen, unk, I

1:05:18

got. I got eleven kids, man, I got

1:05:20

eleven kids. They might be in college

1:05:23

something.

1:05:23

You know.

1:05:23

Everybody damned there, everybody's grown now

1:05:25

except for the little three. But I'm finna

1:05:27

treat myself for all the hard work and all the saving

1:05:30

I've done throughout the years, right, and then

1:05:32

come on the back end and do something I want

1:05:34

to.

1:05:34

Do for the little ones, for the lot

1:05:37

one. Just that, just that just has to fun. I will open it

1:05:39

up. But it's too big, and Camra

1:05:41

that god damn big.

1:05:42

But man, listen, I'm talking about

1:05:44

I've been penny pension for a very long time.

1:05:47

Just to do something like that that's

1:05:49

wrong with them like that, I'm finna get it.

1:05:51

You got you gotta reward yourself.

1:05:53

Oh yeah yeah, and I

1:05:56

got it. And the fact that me and her beefing. So

1:05:58

I want to be able to say, you know what, I want to

1:06:00

talk to you right now. I'm finn I'm finna go on

1:06:02

the west wing. I'm

1:06:05

finna go on the west wing. I don't even want to.

1:06:06

I ain't. I ain't trying. I want to be able to play hide

1:06:09

and seek. And it takes you by the hour to

1:06:11

find me.

1:06:16

Bad you wild Joe?

1:06:17

No, no, no, no, I'm I'm more not

1:06:20

lip my mouth dry right now.

1:06:21

All this time I've been talking because it ain't no water

1:06:23

in refrigerator downstairs.

1:06:27

But that's what uh,

1:06:31

I can't. I can't afford nothing right now. My money.

1:06:33

You know, I'm painting, pinching. I'm trying to. I got some I

1:06:36

pitied. You know. I got I got some playing. I got a master

1:06:38

playing bro. You got you got playing some brewer.

1:06:41

I got something brewing on Joe, I got some brewing.

1:06:43

I didn't.

1:06:43

I didn't gave you my plan. That's my plan right there. So

1:06:47

I'm I'm locked in.

1:06:48

I ain't ain't. I ain't spending nothing you know.

1:06:50

Chad, if y'all see me in the same outfit, you know,

1:06:52

for for two three weeks, a month,

1:06:54

two months, now, you know why yeah

1:06:59

H