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This is go to Radio Episode Five

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Hundred and Sixty Five for April Ninth.

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Two Thousand Twenty Four. Hey

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friend, Welcome and to Jupiter Broadcasting's weekly

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talkshow. taking a pragmatic look at the

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art and the business, software development and

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the world of technology. My name is

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Chris and join us keeping his eyes

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on Google. it's our host Mr. Dominic.

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hello Mike a gluten. Afternoon Mine.

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Press hello good sir, How are you.

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Hello! You know, I'm

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actually pretty good. I. I've.

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Been coding my little tail. Took

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us off today. As they say,

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even you weren't glued to Googles

0:45

cloud stream. of other what

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happens. And

0:50

another another paying attention to tech

0:52

news when obviously know there wasn't

0:54

much. They announced some nice stuff

0:56

for Google workspace users including. This.

0:59

Google Vince which they call a I powered

1:01

presentation tool where you can have given a

1:04

description of what you want with your presentation.

1:06

And. Then it tries to put together like stock imagery

1:09

and things like that to go along with that. The

1:11

kind of like jazz up. Your. Presentation.

1:14

I. Guess you know I mean you know

1:17

I think you and I are both

1:19

pain for the premium Google Gemini experience

1:21

with the Google workspace accounts. And.

1:24

There really hasn't been. Much.

1:26

To. Like pay for his flick. It

1:28

is kind of. We're here so they're

1:31

trying to get that. Problem

1:33

solved, I think so they've got an update.

1:35

To. The help me right in G Mail. If.

1:37

Got updates to google docs of got other

1:40

the just cramming Gemini and a few more

1:42

places like Google Chat to summarize conversations and.

1:45

They. May or may May they may make it

1:47

at your capable of answering conversations and questions

1:49

at some point the future which. I

1:51

guess that's kind of neat and then they're

1:54

introducing a I meetings. And.

1:56

Ai security add ons for the enterprise. You.

1:58

can do all kinds of neat stuff because it can

2:01

scan your Google Drive supposedly. I

2:03

actually always thought this is where this would be the

2:05

most impactful, to tell you the truth, would

2:07

be integration with products like this. Well,

2:09

so how many times are you trying

2:11

to negotiate a meeting and they can't

2:14

really see your calendar, they're trying to

2:16

book a time, I use SaviCal, not

2:18

everybody cooperates with that. And

2:21

just for Gmail to reply to a meeting and

2:23

knows you have a conflict and just say, hey,

2:25

I have something else at that time, here

2:28

are times that I'm available within

2:30

certain parameters, right? There's also

2:32

a Google announcement that seems to be getting a bit

2:34

more attention. It's Axion, their first

2:37

custom arm-based data center processor.

2:40

They say it's based on the ARM

2:42

Neoverse 2 designs. It offers 30% better

2:45

performance than other arm-based instances from companies like

2:47

AWS, of course, it's gonna be in Google

2:49

Cloud. 50% better performance

2:52

than Microsoft's arm offerings, and 60%

2:55

better energy efficient compared to x86

2:57

instances, like

2:59

comparable x86 instances. But then

3:02

there was this little bit that they added. Technical

3:04

documentation, including benchmark and architecture

3:07

details, will be available later

3:10

this year. To

3:12

me, sounds like it's not actually ready

3:14

yet. They just went ahead and announced it because

3:17

they had a Google Cloud event, but

3:19

their processor's not actually available yet, because

3:22

they don't even have the documentation or

3:24

benchmarks ready, or architecture details. What kind

3:26

of monster would try to sell vaporware?

3:28

Kind of fiend. No,

3:32

not Google, not Google. So

3:34

I have a confession, Father, for I

3:36

have sent. I have discovered

3:38

a new Google project that I like. Oh

3:40

yeah? But I will not name it. Oh.

3:43

Because once we utter the name,

3:46

it's dead. It's like that anime thing

3:48

Death Note that the kids like. Apparently,

3:52

all this could have to do is write a dude's name

3:54

in a journal, and the guy dies of a heart attack.

3:57

That's how it is with Google projects. Wow, Google

3:59

Wave is really. cool. Then

4:01

there's some PM at Google who starts throwing up on his

4:03

desk and is like, cancel it, get rid of it. I

4:06

can't. Google podcast is great. No, actually

4:08

they still haven't killed it even though they said they

4:10

did, so I'm not sure how that works. Google

4:13

reader, everybody's using it. It must be destroyed.

4:15

It's very true. All right, so don't

4:17

name it. Don't name it. I guess the reverse would

4:19

also be true. You could name things like, what if

4:21

we just kept talking about AdWords? Would that eventually get

4:23

killed? I don't think it applies there. Okay,

4:26

let's try it. Ready? Okay.

4:28

AdWords. AdWords. AdWords. AdWords. AdWords. It's

4:30

like Beetlejuice. We say it three times and it

4:32

kind of just... AdWords. AdWords. AdWords. Maybe

4:34

it does. I don't know. I want

4:36

to mention that LinuxFest Northwest is

4:39

rapidly approaching. You can find

4:41

it at linuxfestnorthwest.org. It'll be

4:43

in Bellingham, Washington. We

4:45

have a special barbecue Saturday night,

4:47

April 27th. System 76

4:50

and JB are throwing it in the parking lot.

4:52

Don't tell anybody. Don't tell anybody. I

4:54

mean, tell your friends, but don't tell anybody

4:57

at the fest yet. But go to

4:59

meetup.com. What is it? meetup.com/system76 dash community.

5:01

I'll put a link in the show

5:04

notes. Tell us

5:06

if you're going to attend because if you don't, I

5:09

might not buy you a burger or a hot dog. Here's

5:13

what's happened right now is

5:15

maybe we should have put this on the JB page. I don't know, but we've

5:17

got two people signed up for the meetup,

5:20

Emma from system76 and me. Now,

5:24

I know I'm going to end up cooking for hundreds

5:26

of these bastards, but none of them are signing

5:28

up for the meetup. So how am I? You

5:31

don't know how much to buy, how much to

5:33

prep. No, no. So I'm trying to get the

5:35

word out there. LinuxFest Northwest barbecue after

5:37

the end of sessions on Saturday. We'll be out in

5:39

the parking lot somewhere. Just go probably find my RV

5:42

and I think that'll be there. You'll

5:44

find. Maybe just follow your the

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how great the members are coder dot show slash

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membership Well,

7:47

let's keep the arm train going

7:49

mr. Dominic because Microsoft is confident

7:52

That they have a ARM CPU

7:54

that can beat M3s

7:57

from Apple current m3s. They're

7:59

gonna be revealed in

8:02

Microsoft's AI PCs next month at an event

8:04

here in Seattle that I have

8:06

been invited to and a

8:08

person familiar with Microsoft's plans tells

8:11

the verge that Microsoft is quote

8:13

confident that this new

8:15

round of ARM-powered Windows laptops will

8:17

beat Apple's M3-powered MacBook Airs in

8:20

both CPU performance and

8:22

AI accelerated tasks. Microsoft

8:24

believes the upcoming Snapdragon X Elite

8:26

processors will finally offer the performance

8:29

that has been looking for to

8:31

fully push ARM Windows.

8:34

They're so confident in these new Qualcomm

8:36

chips that they're planning a number of

8:39

demos that will just show you how

8:41

fast these processors are and how much

8:43

better they are than an M3 MacBook

8:45

Air for CPU tasks, AI acceleration and

8:48

even app emulation. Yes, even

8:50

app emulation. They claim they will have

8:52

faster x86 emulation than

8:55

Rosetta 2, which is

8:57

so damn fast you really can't even tell it's working. They

8:59

say it's been a big problem but they've got it lit. Okay,

9:03

sure. So does Visual Studio proper work with

9:06

full functionality in it? Oh,

9:08

savage. That really, you know, that's funny though

9:10

because that's really what it would take for

9:12

these things to be successful. They're so hyper

9:14

focused on performance. I

9:16

tried to figure out, the reason why I wanted to talk

9:18

to you about this is who's

9:21

the use case here? Like, are these developers

9:23

that are targeting ARM systems in the cloud

9:25

that want to have an ARM laptop to

9:27

develop on? Who's this for? I'll give

9:29

you the kind of jerky answer first,

9:31

right? The use case is the tech press, right?

9:34

Seems like it. Because the real

9:36

people buying Windows laptops don't

9:40

care. No. No,

9:43

your average users, which, you know, the everyday

9:45

users that are buying laptops and computers from

9:47

retail stores, absolutely 100% don't

9:49

care. And I would argue most Windows

9:51

power users are actually pretty happy with

9:53

how far AMD and Intel have pushed

9:56

x86 in the last couple of years.

9:58

Right, they're like buying In

10:00

fact, I was just talking to our friend Matt from Alderaan.

10:03

He's going to fail you with – Oh, what's

10:06

the – my brain just

10:08

completely failed. The crazy AMD chipset. Oh,

10:10

like a Ryzen or an Epic or

10:12

– No, the Threadrippers. Oh, Threadripper. Okay,

10:14

yeah. Okay, he's Threadripping his all-live-long day.

10:17

And I don't know, right? Like

10:20

if you're a Windows Power user, I kind

10:23

of think you know what chipsets you

10:25

want. It's funny to

10:27

me that they're going for the performance stuff because

10:30

what I see the advantage of ARM on Windows

10:32

is, okay, we have a Windows-based job, right? We

10:34

have to travel to the job and

10:37

it would be great to have like MacBook-level

10:39

battery life. But

10:41

they're not really selling it as that. They're selling it

10:43

as raw power and I'm like, I

10:46

don't care. I have a fancy-ass Dell for that,

10:48

right? In fact, if anything,

10:51

the lesson from the M transition from Apple was

10:53

focused on power efficiency, not performance. Apple is also

10:55

selling it – selling it at Walmart. What is

10:58

it, the M1 for like $600 or $700? Yeah.

11:03

All right, but here's the specs of the

11:05

Snapdragon X Elite. It does sound pretty badass.

11:09

12 cores up to 3.8 GHz and dual-core boost up

11:12

to 4.3 GHz. All right. It

11:16

can do a terafloting point

11:18

operations up to

11:20

4.6 teraflops per second, lots

11:23

of RAM, eight channels of RAM, a bandwidth of 136

11:25

gigabytes a second, up to 64 gig max capacity. It's

11:31

got a direct NVMe over PCIe 4

11:33

interface into it. I mean,

11:35

it sounds desktop-wise, but I

11:38

don't really understand the appeal unless,

11:41

like Mike said, you're in it for battery life. Then

11:43

I totally understand the appeal. Or

11:45

if you're developing ARM applications, but if

11:47

you're developing ARM applications, they're likely shipping

11:50

on Linux. I mean, you

11:52

could use WSL, but it just seems – it

11:54

seems really odd because Microsoft's strength comes

11:56

from their compatibility. I think the X86

11:59

world – has responded really well

12:01

to ARM in

12:03

desktops and laptops? I don't know, man.

12:06

But they're very confident. I kind of wish I could go to this event

12:08

in Seattle and see it. Yeah, it's an

12:10

interesting concept, right? But I just like to

12:12

think about the, you know, because

12:14

as I've mentioned many times, Microsoft, and you were

12:17

of course in the same boat, Microsoft has a

12:20

campus down here in Tampa as well, and

12:22

obviously Seattle, right? It's like the Death

12:24

Star. From

12:27

the developer perspective, the Microsoft

12:29

developers, not necessarily

12:31

Microsoft employees all, right? But like, you know,

12:33

on the Microsoft stacks, they

12:36

kind of live in Visual Studio

12:38

now. Some of them are sneaking

12:40

away to Python, to VS Code,

12:42

I've noticed, looking at you,

12:44

Joey, looking right at you. But

12:47

for the vast majority, especially those doing .NET, they're

12:49

still in VS proper, so, and

12:52

to their credit, this is not like me

12:55

being, you know, difficult at all, they

12:57

have some pretty sophisticated, very

13:00

customized workflows in there that

13:02

rely on things like Hypervisor, and

13:05

some of the other, like, other, you know, like

13:08

tying into iOS, I forgot what Microsoft calls it,

13:10

is it, not Handshake, they have a name for

13:12

it, doesn't matter. But is

13:14

that all gonna work in this Rosetta 2 analog?

13:17

Because even Windows emulation

13:20

on Mac with Rosetta 2, on

13:22

my fancy-ass 96 gigabytes MacBook Pro

13:24

here, is lacking.

13:28

Particularly in the use cases I've described here,

13:30

right, the Visual Studio proper. So,

13:33

I'm skeptical,

13:36

right, because first of all, these devices are not

13:38

gonna be cheap. If we look

13:40

at our average Joe Windows laptop at Best

13:42

Buy buyer, he is not looking

13:44

to spend two to $3,000, which,

13:48

well, he shouldn't, right, he's probably, most people probably just

13:50

work, I can tell you, most of my clients, we

13:52

write web apps, and they work in Chrome. Right,

13:55

like they just live in Chrome. Which has

13:57

just recently got their ARM64. version

14:00

for Windows kind of put together. So

14:02

it's like finally that's available for Windows. Ah

14:05

good. So the malicious JavaScript Bitcoin miners

14:07

can be even more efficient. Yeah and

14:10

all your all your Chrome extensions dude you can bring

14:12

all your Chrome extensions. The thing

14:14

that I actually look forward to here

14:18

is what this could mean for Linux. Now

14:20

it really depends on how locked down these

14:22

boot loaders are. If it's possible to load

14:25

alternative operating systems I very much hope it

14:27

will be because there isn't

14:29

a great set

14:31

of ARM options for Linux laptops.

14:34

They're actually one of the better ones

14:36

even with it some not everything working is quite

14:39

honestly the MacBooks with a saucy on

14:41

there. That's yeah my

14:44

damn near daily driver at this point and

14:46

it's pretty functional I have to say. So

14:48

but you know and then when we finally

14:50

got when we finally got Linux working on

14:52

the MacBooks people started discovering all of these

14:54

issues when they started using ARM Linux

14:56

on something much more powerful. So

14:58

maybe you know maybe it'd actually be a great thing for

15:01

Linux. I don't know how locked down they'll have these AI

15:03

PCs. These accelerators are going

15:05

to be useless though to Linux. Yeah they're

15:07

all going to be proprietary. And also it's

15:09

not a vacuum right. So I mean if

15:11

I can fry some penguin bacon here. Oh

15:13

man you brought penguin bacon. Oh

15:16

yes. I'm pretty

15:18

sure framework is going to come out with an

15:20

ARM. Oh yeah. A reliable ARM substitute. And it's

15:22

not framework. I mean I don't know

15:24

this at all but if Carl and the gang at

15:26

system 76 aren't working on this they definitely should be.

15:28

You know I've talked to them and

15:31

I don't know about now this has been a couple

15:33

of years so they may have changed their opinion on

15:35

this but they were kind of

15:37

hoping on RISC-V working out in

15:39

a laptop maybe skipping

15:41

right over ARM. Yeah that

15:44

didn't happen. Well then and the network

15:46

effective ARM continues to grow as well.

15:48

Well RISC-V actually ironically was much more

15:50

promising on the server side than ARM.

15:53

But just the like you said

15:56

the network effects the pure locomotive

15:58

just you know that

16:00

arm had really wasn't

16:02

the Swift guy was working on a risk-flip

16:05

startup what the hell yeah latin or Chris

16:07

latin it was yeah yeah yeah

16:09

risk five you know it when the money

16:11

machine got turned off it lost some funding

16:13

but I think like sci-fi is hanging on

16:16

so that's good to see but there's

16:18

just there's just it's seemingly more

16:21

and more momentum behind arm did

16:23

you hear that in the background yeah that's

16:26

my printer spooling up because you know what

16:28

all the printers are starting again in six

16:30

months you're

16:32

probably right you're probably

16:34

right and metas banking on that no doubt so

16:36

that way they can start building the meta verse

16:39

again and they oh

16:41

my god donkey hoti mark stop

16:43

stop charging this windmill they

16:46

have teased that

16:48

next week they're going to release an

16:50

update to llama llama 3 and

16:53

they're calling it a small version llama 3

16:56

so it's ideally going to be much more compact

16:58

some people are even saying like possibly run on

17:00

a raspberry pi 5 that's

17:02

I think just hearsay at this time and

17:04

then later on this year they plan to launch

17:07

a llama 3 big that's multimodal

17:09

they can do text and

17:11

images and video potentially but

17:15

it's getting really good and some

17:18

are suspecting if they release a seven

17:20

billion version there's going to be

17:22

either probably going to be passing mistrial or mistrial

17:24

or how do you say it and

17:28

the community around all of these

17:31

different llms seems to

17:33

kind of be dividing up into camps like

17:35

three or four different camps which is really

17:37

interesting and and there's a conflict that's brewing

17:39

between like it's becoming fiefdoms and

17:42

that's been a fascinating thing watch but here's

17:44

been the question that I've seen floated around

17:46

after this tease this morning people

17:49

right they cannot figure out why

17:52

meta is doing this why meta

17:54

is quote wasting money on this

17:57

They say it's unclear why a company like Meta is

17:59

spending so much on. Building I'm releasing these

18:01

models. It's quite odd. There's little to

18:03

no business case for Google I can

18:06

understand. But. They say

18:08

what is driving mehta. To.

18:11

Release these Why is met a really seem

18:13

lama and lama three and clearly working very

18:15

hard because the doing this minimized version which

18:17

takes some engineering and they're going to do

18:20

a larger version it's multi modal jazz later

18:22

this year lom itself in capabilities getting quite

18:24

good were seen the community extended quite a

18:26

bit. The. Question though this been

18:28

raises: Why. What? Matters motivation

18:31

for I We have to remember. Me:

18:33

These the Facebook people these are like the watch everything

18:35

you do. These are that we buy a Vpn so

18:37

he can spy on stuff the you want us to

18:39

spy on people. So. Why

18:41

release lama? One.

18:44

Two three. Why continued it Right on. this.

18:46

Put. All of these resources on one hundreds of

18:49

engineers. And. Then just. Put.

18:51

It out there. In. Oh, it's interesting. I'm.

18:54

I. Almost feel like they. Are.

18:56

Not the first mover and this

18:58

A I stuff. And may

19:00

be going open source. It's almost like though

19:02

I mean this as a history lesson, right?

19:05

Why does Netscape go open source? Because they

19:07

were crushed by. Maybe.

19:09

Maybe not right? We'll see what happens.

19:12

I'm always a little skeptical. Step

19:14

it up. Skeptical of the Zoc

19:16

just because of. You

19:19

know, I'm skeptical to actually.

19:22

I look at this from a cynical

19:24

perspective. I'm. really mixed on met

19:26

of these days. I'm at first

19:28

what they were doing. so abhorrent. But.

19:31

Then it turns out. Lots of

19:33

companies are doing that sectors. More.

19:35

Companies and we realized that doing it in

19:37

like with our financial transactions in this rabbit

19:39

hole discuss really deep and then in comparison

19:42

Capital One is now sir I believe it's

19:44

Capital One is selling your credit card transactions,

19:46

server advisers and I also think a lot

19:48

of the hate that matter and Zoc get

19:50

now. Is. From a lox

19:52

in politics but when you look at

19:54

the numbers that were spent on on

19:56

Facebook ads. Agree really had very

19:58

little impact. Though I think some of

20:01

that been a little overblown. But. I

20:03

think some of it's also legitimate, so I

20:05

remain pretty skeptical and cynical. So that's my

20:07

bias towards the story. But when I look

20:09

at this. I. Think you're right,

20:12

Mike I think if they were in

20:14

open a eyes position, I doubt we'd

20:16

be seen. This we might. But.

20:18

I doubt it. I've. Watched.

20:20

A couple of interviews with Zoc. Where

20:22

he talks about where he sees a i go in. And

20:25

he's a high bull. He's like Sam

20:27

Altman song Sam Altman levels of bullish

20:30

on a I and he believes like

20:32

it's gonna cure all diseases eventually. Like.

20:35

He goes far beyond anything that you could

20:37

ever imagine for how he thinks a eyes

20:39

gonna be powerful. And so. I.

20:42

Suspect. The. He

20:44

thinks this has a lot more

20:46

runway. And that there's a lot

20:48

more it can and will be doing. and

20:50

we need to get there faster because the

20:52

faster we get there. Faster.

20:55

Matic and incorporate in their products that actually make

20:57

the money. He. Or you

20:59

could incorporated in the face book. You can

21:01

incorporate it into chat apps. You could incorporate

21:03

it into the. Vr. Headsets.

21:06

The. Metaverse applications. Even.

21:08

If is just things like. Moderating.

21:11

Facebook better or if it was things like. Better.

21:14

Interactive chat bots in the Metaverse. When you

21:16

go chat with an Npc. Like. There's.

21:19

Probably. Ten thousand different ways. A

21:21

company like Mehta. Could.

21:23

Take something like lama Se llama six one day

21:25

or whatever it is, it's gotten genuinely better. And

21:28

utilize it. And I've I've suspected this for a

21:30

little while now. But. Watching the way the

21:32

community has built on top of lama let's go

21:34

and hugging face and just kind of around. Are.

21:36

You some of the apps I've talked about for on the show To

21:39

pull down these different. Versions. Of lama

21:41

it's. Is. Really incredible

21:43

and I bet. Zoc.

21:45

just sitting back. And. Just soaked

21:47

in up the free dove work. So.

21:49

Can up all that free community

21:52

time. And like

21:54

you say, doesn't have the lead product. But.

21:56

He doesn't because that's not their primary products. He doesn't

21:58

need to be the lead and. The era

22:00

play this longer game. I. Suspect

22:02

it's what's gone on. What? Do you

22:04

think that? Check out. Ah,

22:06

I mean. I think sucks always

22:09

playing a longer dame like you know what

22:11

we're here and bird twenty first century playing

22:13

to the chess and you know Zoc as

22:15

up there with the Romulus, the plane know

22:17

five Dhs and even worth as like another

22:19

with five each other out now our they

22:21

made in the metaverse so he is and

22:23

I'm pretty sure he plays the would no

22:25

honor and I would say he is not

22:27

a cling on warrior and think I agree

22:29

I think the you know who is a

22:31

clean on worry or who's that. Very.

22:34

Few people on Discovery which I mom

22:36

the last release season of Chris I

22:38

haven't started yet. Some waiting for Brand

22:40

to come down from Canada. Moon.

22:43

But I'm gonna think probably the next. for by the time

22:45

we do another episode, I think I've watched it. All.

22:47

Right? so I can I try to go five

22:49

minutes and to yeah. I

22:52

have some Ccs other advice I figured you

22:54

would. I think I will too. So I

22:56

had to watch it through the lens that

22:58

you gave me a couple months ago of.

23:01

it's not really traditional Star Trek, it's about

23:03

personal growth. And my

23:05

level of disappointment won't First hello hi.

23:08

My. Mans through. By. Spoilers

23:10

because. You know, I.

23:12

Will I love Captain Surreal? I'm down.

23:15

I'm here for it. I like his

23:17

got as we agree, swings my boobs.

23:19

He's my man. He he makes a

23:21

lot of sense, is a little less

23:23

murder or even Lorca. Although I'd still

23:25

say teamwork all the way. I

23:28

like Georgia. Ah, I

23:30

even kind of like Berman now but

23:32

that that the whole like we're love

23:34

thing. And. It wasn't there

23:36

for him. And then. They.

23:39

Cut his hooves from as he has.

23:43

Right from underneath them. And.

23:45

Also the burn. Seriously.

23:48

As. The dumbest plot contrivance I've ever

23:51

seen. I was expecting it to

23:53

be something like epic light. And.

23:55

you know like the equivalent of space

23:58

opec just burned all birds I

24:03

thought the Emerald Tyve, Emerald Chain

24:05

rather, was going to be, you

24:08

know, like basically space OPEC. I really

24:10

did. And then it was like

24:12

actually one child had

24:14

a very, albeit for

24:16

sure, super traumatic distressing experience

24:19

and something something feeling space magic.

24:22

Subspace. Yeah. Right.

24:25

Subspace magic. Right. They

24:27

build up the mystery so, so intense,

24:31

but they always fumble the execution on the

24:33

reveal. Well, wouldn't it have just

24:35

made more sense for the Emerald Chain to have

24:37

just been space OPEC plus terrorism? But that's not

24:39

about personal development. You could not be a terrorist.

24:41

I mean, you could change your mind. Yeah, I

24:43

suppose I could. I

24:45

could see an obvious step there. Not

24:48

to go there, but it's the

24:50

in-sh-ification of content on these streaming

24:52

platforms. Yeah. It felt forced.

24:55

And I did the thing that I'm

24:57

always talking about these days. And so

24:59

I don't want to be obnoxious, but just to make it

25:01

clear, they had to grow

25:03

horizontally. You know, I mean, you've

25:05

heard me mention it before. Leo had, Leo over

25:07

at Twit went through this. You

25:10

see podcasters that you saw me do it where

25:12

you just expand out horizontally. Stowe

25:15

was great. Yeah. Right. And

25:18

you just go and you go until you literally can't handle

25:20

anymore because that's how you create ad inventory

25:22

or that's how you create membership benefits, right?

25:24

Because there's a bigger number on

25:27

the content available. And

25:29

you just cannot keep up the quality when

25:32

you scale that way horizontally, especially

25:35

when you're working with something

25:38

as topic specific, like in my case,

25:40

Linux or in the case of Star

25:42

Trek. You know, that's a very

25:44

specific niche where there are topic

25:46

experts that care. And

25:49

so you've got to keep the quality up. And I

25:51

think the only way for Paramount Plus and

25:53

Star Trek to really survive would

25:56

be to essentially cut 60, 70%

25:58

of the content. And.

26:01

Focus. And would you? what?

26:03

would you have left you focus on? quality? Yeah

26:05

and yeah, you hire the best. And because

26:08

you're not paying more salaries, you can pay

26:10

the people that do the remaining stuff appropriately

26:12

and higher. Good writing talent. Or

26:14

just not. That's not what they do. I

26:16

will give them credit right once I looked at it

26:18

through the lens you gave me if. I

26:21

was have sick you know what? Is. Not

26:23

the structuring. It's more like Star Wars and a

26:25

lot of ways words like. You.

26:27

Know somehow unit and like just casually

26:29

lift the plane out of a swamp.

26:32

But kind. Of tripped and fell

26:34

during a fight with the city. Has some

26:36

like I've done, you know? I doubt that's

26:38

it. The like, Okay, you take the stupid

26:40

Nyssa. start from Star Wars because it's like.

26:42

Their. Emotions get the way and like

26:44

you can't have that because it's bad.

26:47

But. Although Star Wars has the same problem now

26:49

to Birmingham at how many sours I these are

26:51

coming out on a Disney play. Do you know

26:53

they do? They didn't like I was there for

26:56

it. Or maybe season

26:58

five will be better for ssssss

27:00

will see sorry that's my rant.

27:02

Will. Over keep and or old man hats on.

27:05

You know when we started this show. Coding.

27:07

Boot camps were such a thing and

27:09

then you might remember. We saw a

27:11

meme of learn to code bro like there

27:14

was this wave of with somebody would

27:16

get laid off. They. Would send them

27:18

to camps to go learn to code. Hit

27:20

it. It became a even kind of like

27:22

a politically triggering thing to say because it

27:24

just was you so much. And

27:26

it turns out. Kids

27:29

these days don't seem to be listening.

27:31

Now. I don't know if we can really

27:34

take these last couple of years as

27:36

any candidate serious indication, but the numbers

27:38

seem to be showing. That

27:40

young people are going more into trade

27:42

jobs or something. Very surprising and probably

27:44

some good news. You have good news.

27:47

More and more of America youngest workers are

27:49

ditching college. And going to

27:51

trade school instead. The number of

27:53

students enrolled in Vocational Community College

27:55

rose sixteen percent from last year.

27:58

While. and roman a traditional for your The ecologist

28:00

basically stayed flat. So what do you

28:02

think about this idea? Just as a discussion

28:04

piece, let's go for it with it for a moment, that

28:07

we have less people interested in

28:09

software development jobs and technical jobs

28:12

and maybe more people signing up for trade

28:14

jobs. Good, bad, and

28:16

what's the impact on the industry? Yeah, I think that's

28:18

good, right? That's the market working. There

28:20

is a lot of money to be made in the trades right

28:23

now, and… I know.

28:25

I kind of feel like I should encourage my

28:27

kids to just, you know… Yeah,

28:31

but then I also think what I

28:33

worry about is a future

28:36

where basically it's

28:38

cobalt for everybody. Nobody really understands

28:41

how any of this works. The

28:44

very few people that do are dying off,

28:46

and there's nobody left to train

28:48

the next generation. And I know that sounds silly,

28:50

but look what happened to the Apollo program.

28:53

Not really. That's an episode of South Park.

28:56

They just did that, right, where nobody actually

28:58

knows… Yeah, all the professionals are standing outside

29:00

of Home Depot begging for day work, and

29:02

all the tradesmen are basically… Literally,

29:04

they have one who's like Jeff Bezos and another one

29:06

who's like Elon during a fight. They're

29:08

two carpenters or something, or no, they're handymen,

29:11

and they're launching different spaceships in competition with

29:13

each other, yelling at each other from the

29:15

windows of their bridges. That's

29:17

hilarious. But I

29:19

was just thinking more recently of – I mean

29:22

just the – I don't know, recently – but

29:24

the real issue we have with the Apollo program

29:26

where there has been just

29:28

entire sets of skills lost, and

29:30

we're relearning and reinventing how

29:32

to get a rocket ship to

29:34

the moon. And that just

29:36

seems incredible because it's – what an incredible

29:39

thing that we figured out, what

29:41

a feat of engineering, and

29:43

then to have lost it. Because

29:46

we – the program didn't continue. The work

29:48

didn't continue. There weren't new people coming along.

29:50

It just seems to me like not an

29:52

exact analogy, but it makes it – it

29:54

raises the possibility in my mind. Yeah,

29:57

so there's a couple things here, right? A

30:00

lot of these bootcamps going out of business

30:02

is a good thing. They basically existed because

30:04

of drunk money, right? The

30:07

money printer that we talk about almost every week now

30:10

where organizations

30:12

were looking at headshot, that

30:14

would be pictures, above

30:17

anything else to show that they're growing,

30:19

they're hip, they're, you know, forget the

30:21

revenue, forget the fundamentals. We're a growing

30:24

tech company. Yay. Leasing you off

30:26

of space and telling you to manifest it. Here's

30:31

my wife, Rebecca, right? I hope

30:33

we work reference. Now things are

30:36

balancing back out. One

30:38

of the challenges, and I think we see this in our jobs

30:40

channel, which we haven't plugged in a long time, but we

30:43

do help folks get jobs and

30:45

help people hire good folks. If they listen to the

30:47

show, they're probably a better hire than most, I would say.

30:52

There's a lot of junior people that

30:54

have had nothing but these bootcamps that

30:57

most of them were puppy mills, for lack of a better term.

31:01

So, you know, that's

31:04

bad. Rebalancing is

31:06

good. But that technology jobs

31:08

are only going to grow.

31:10

They're just going to change as they

31:12

always do, right? So

31:14

I don't know. I kind

31:16

of feel optimistic about Mike Rowe's thing because,

31:20

yeah, right now, if you can

31:22

go into the trades, that is

31:24

a great idea. Technology is always

31:26

going to grow effectively. It may

31:29

be tough to be like a I

31:32

build simple websites for small businesses guy,

31:35

because I do think that kind of thing is, I mean,

31:37

Wix is trying to put you out of business as quickly

31:39

as possible. And if automatic

31:42

gets their shit together, WordPress should too. Although WordPress

31:44

is still a little too hard to use, I

31:46

think, for your average diner

31:49

owner. But, yeah, I

31:51

don't know. It's just – Yeah,

31:53

I think you're right. Yeah. I think

31:55

you're right. And I guess if

31:57

I were to think about somebody young listening to this

31:59

show, It seems like you

32:02

could get into a trade for

32:04

10 years, you know, do through your 20s

32:07

as an example be an electrician for 10 years

32:10

You get a great job union work great

32:13

benefits and then if you

32:15

want to get into a technology career

32:17

you Nothing says

32:19

you can't change either you know You

32:21

don't have to be a trades person

32:23

for the rest of your life if you don't want and I

32:26

suppose vice versa as well Although it

32:28

seems to me the path would be if you

32:30

win into trades early Now

32:33

you've developed a skill set That

32:35

you can use in your personal life all

32:38

the time, right? If it's especially if it's

32:40

something like carpentry or electrician or something that

32:42

you know, it's actually a useful skill That's

32:45

something you'll use for the rest of your life And

32:48

you could always maintain a hobby on as technology

32:50

on the side truly enjoy it Just

32:52

and just go with the parts you enjoy and you

32:54

could pivot later in life You

32:57

know, maybe when you turn 35 you decide okay. Well

32:59

now I'm gonna become a rust developer You

33:02

know, there's no rule against that. I Kind

33:04

of I hope it's true. I you know, it's not

33:06

huge numbers that they're reporting It's a

33:08

good thing. It feels like a positive thing

33:10

to see though. Ask not what your podcast

33:12

can boost for you But

33:15

what you can boost for your podcast Odin's

33:18

ride came in with 10,000 sats using

33:20

fountains is I'm just here to help.

33:22

Thanks guys. Well, thank you Odin's right

33:25

Appreciate that you are a baller

33:27

booster. So here you go. Just a little booster

33:29

for you Scott

33:34

came in with 2,000 sats no message

33:36

just wanted to support the show and

33:38

tray Ford tray

33:40

Fordham With

33:43

five thousand five hundred and fifty-five sats

33:46

He says I just wanted to mention that

33:48

I just got out of a three-day long

33:50

data visualization class using panda numpy Matt

33:53

pilot lib I guess might be what it is

33:56

and the like I didn't need

33:58

the class, but I did enjoy the experience.

34:01

It also showed me the woes of

34:03

dependency management in Python in a Windows

34:05

environment. Python

34:08

class.shell.nix for the win. Thank

34:10

you. Yeah.

34:15

That's got to be rough to watch. That's

34:17

the exact kind of situation where Windows, in

34:20

a new environment, in

34:23

a presentation or whatever, is really, it can be just

34:25

the worst. But I'll tell you what was pretty embarrassing.

34:28

Not too long ago, I was at NixCon. You might recall. And

34:31

they decided at NixCon to walk people through setting

34:33

up things, get Nix going, and they set up

34:35

some tables in the middle so people could just

34:37

get down and get to work. Maybe you only

34:40

talk to these people online. So, hey, you're finally

34:42

together. Let's actually do some work. And

34:45

that actually was a big hit until

34:47

GitHub started rate limiting the

34:50

conference because you had all

34:53

these guys behind in that. They're

34:55

checking in and checking out of GitHub. They're doing

34:57

updates and also checking in with GitHub. They're doing

34:59

all kinds of stuff. And GitHub

35:01

saw it as a DDoS and started

35:03

rate limiting GitHub access to the entire

35:06

venue. So it just

35:08

totally upended everybody's work. So

35:11

sometimes even when you got it working on the local machine,

35:13

cloud service will still get you. Oh,

35:16

I just had a problem like that. Asset pipeline on

35:18

old Rails projects. We talked about it a little bit

35:20

a few weeks ago. It was killing

35:22

me. And it was

35:25

so dumb. It was just because of the

35:27

host Heroku had changed the default on their new

35:29

– I think

35:32

they call them build packs. I see. Chris,

35:34

I'm getting so senile now. Oh, I hear

35:36

you about it. The proprietary – it's just

35:38

like a – it's just tool

35:40

chain, right? But everybody has to brand it their

35:42

own way because God forbid.

35:45

I'm doing that. I'm doing that

35:47

thing where I'll use the

35:49

old name for stuff. When I was a kid

35:51

or a young man and we learned what something

35:53

was and now we have an equivalent today, but

35:55

I'll still call it the old thing. I'm

35:57

doing that these days. Hey, there, my

35:59

kids. are like dad it's and I'm like

36:02

oh my god it's happening yeah sync

36:04

comes in with 5,000 sats can we

36:07

get Michael to join the one true

36:09

bird app over a year

36:11

ago I heard you folks discussing noster and I

36:13

made me curious so I started some small test

36:15

clients and behold one year later still creating things for

36:17

it I've been turning in for over a

36:19

decade I've been tuning in for over a decade on the

36:21

show so thank you for the many

36:23

hours of tech talk PS no surprise but

36:26

I love the noster workshop idea I

36:28

have been getting more into noster recently

36:30

especially like the section 230 stuff

36:33

is gonna come before the Supreme Court and

36:35

we see I don't know just a lot

36:37

of shenanigans on social media which has kind

36:39

of turned it into essentially the new mainstream

36:41

media and noster feels like where

36:43

it still gets a little weird people a

36:46

little raw like I you might know

36:48

this what I'm talking about but because there's not a

36:50

lot of people on noster I haven't done anything embarrassing

36:52

yet but I can like when

36:54

I'm on Twitter I think a lot before I post like how

36:56

are people gonna react to this am I gonna upset people am

36:58

I gonna get yelled at you know am I

37:01

gonna somebody gonna dig this up in 15 years and shame

37:03

me so I don't post usually I

37:05

just don't post but but I

37:07

don't feel those meet happen to break sensations with

37:09

noster cuz it's like not very it's a small

37:11

tiny community so it feels like you can

37:13

be wild again even though eventually inevitably they'll dig something up

37:16

on you but it's so it's a

37:18

good feeling if for just kind of social networking

37:20

but where noster has been really

37:22

making me interested is basically using

37:25

it as a data relay service

37:27

a decentralized JSON service the

37:29

fountain FM folks have

37:32

been test developing a

37:34

embeddable web chat that

37:37

is using noster and just

37:39

passing JSON along on the

37:41

noster network to enable the chat and

37:43

you can use your you use your noster identity

37:45

to join the chat so the idea being that

37:48

our podcast use this chat and a bunch

37:50

of other podcasts were using this chat you

37:52

can also embed it in the mobile client

37:55

again you're just retrieving plain text then

37:58

you could take one identity you're not identity

38:00

and you'd be the same person in all

38:02

of the different podcasting 2.0 apps or web

38:05

chats that are embedded even if it's a different

38:07

podcast on a different podcast network on a different

38:09

website your Nostra identity would move between all of

38:12

them because Nostra uses a public key private key

38:14

pair to identify you and so you just take

38:16

that with you and so

38:18

that I find to be a very interesting use

38:21

of notes and other things through relays which

38:24

is what Nostra is it's you know notes that are

38:26

passed around over relays and

38:28

you can run your own relay and fountains running their

38:30

own relay JB could run their own or you just

38:33

use the available community relays got

38:35

nothing to do with like a Twitter clone because at

38:37

the end of the day Nostra is a protocol like

38:39

HTTP it's not it's not HTML

38:41

it's it's H it's it's the

38:43

actual protocol and so

38:45

you can build all kinds of things around it so I've

38:47

been experimenting with it you can find my social

38:50

profile at chrislass.com if

38:52

anybody's interested you know I

38:55

mean you're not gonna have the reach in the network effect when

38:57

breaking news happens it's still usually on Twitter yeah

38:59

I mean so I just got back on Mastodon

39:01

right to answer the question directly I would

39:04

yeah I guess I'd consider Nostra okay

39:07

so what I've found so far after

39:09

let's say almost a month back on

39:11

Mastodon is the conversations on Mastodon are

39:13

much better but there's

39:15

absolutely no marketing value for my business really

39:18

we're on Twitter there's also no marketing

39:21

value I'm spending a lot of time on LinkedIn I

39:23

don't know what to say Twitter used to be good

39:25

but now it's I get it everything

39:27

gets a bot reply now and

39:30

my literally if you looked at my DMs

39:32

you would think I was Hugh Hefner

39:34

or that I was weirdly a video

39:36

game reviewer like I'm getting endless

39:38

DM spam from indie game companies which good

39:40

on you know god bless I hope your

39:42

games go well but I'm you

39:45

know I guess I do do

39:47

gamer radio but I like it's

39:49

not gonna make a difference for you right so

39:51

you got on somebody's list I guess right I

39:53

somehow got on the list right and

39:56

it's just it's become Twitter

39:59

used to be good I or C

40:01

used to be good. Not everything's terrible. I kind

40:03

of feel like just I feel like I See

40:06

was kind of the peak Right.

40:09

Like I just I I mean I

40:11

used to have adium. I mean poor

40:13

one out for adium I matrix is

40:16

a good, you know full rich chat

40:18

experience much like discord and slack It

40:20

makes matrix isn't bad. I'm my initial

40:22

discords fine. I think

40:24

discord needs more granular notification controls.

40:27

Yeah Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah.

40:29

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah I'll probably

40:31

check out nastra soon to see part of it

40:34

It's like a level of effort versus available free

40:36

time. Oh for sure and then I feel bad if

40:38

I don't reply to people Yeah Well,

40:41

there's not a lot going on over there. So

40:43

it's not super busy. It's low effort. Yeah, it

40:45

is right up my alley Yeah, I

40:47

I don't know I'm investing in now because I

40:49

do like the idea of me being in control

40:51

of my identity with that key private key Yeah,

40:54

the nice thing is because it's just a protocol.

40:56

There's multiple apps Damas on

40:59

iOS is good and primal is good

41:01

on Android and iOS and primal net

41:04

on the web But you can use lots of different clients So sometimes

41:06

I just use different clients because I feel like and I want to

41:08

see what the developers are up to I just I Just

41:10

take my key with me So

41:12

I like that about it And then when we're looking

41:15

at it as a back end to enable a web

41:17

chat the thing that's so cool about that is Well,

41:20

if it's just plain text JSON Well,

41:23

we could build all kinds of bots around

41:25

that potentially and It

41:27

also means it's kind of associated

41:30

with the livestream So

41:32

you could build back if somebody wanted

41:34

in the podcast client the ability to

41:37

show the chat back Replay the chat in

41:39

real time along with the show that would

41:41

be interesting Yeah that like that's

41:43

the kind of thing I would be super down

41:45

for that's where I think it gives us more

41:47

future tooling and the problem

41:49

with anything like discord or Matrix

41:52

or anything like that is they're good

41:54

for persistent community conversation So that's where

41:57

we would keep matrix is for the

41:59

always on always available community conversation.

42:01

But when we do a live stream,

42:03

we just kind of like bust

42:06

in and we take over the

42:08

community space for the hour or two that

42:10

we're live and then we're gone. And

42:13

then like the regulars just kind of like kind

42:15

of creep back in over time and start chatting

42:17

again. But

42:19

we're just like a whirlwind coming through there. So I

42:21

think there's a better technology. I don't know if it's

42:23

gonna be NOSD or powered, but I

42:26

like that that would make it decentralized. It

42:28

would make it very hard to censor in

42:30

a like a somebody could pull

42:32

you as an operator. You could probably have

42:34

moderation controls and that it would

42:36

be cross-platform, cross-app, you know, things

42:40

like that. So we'll see. I'll put links

42:42

to Damas and Primal in the show notes. Yeah, it's

42:44

interesting. Thank you, Cinc, for the boost. Appreciate

42:47

it. LegoFeet came in with 7000s

42:51

Sass and Chrissy says, don't you dare

42:53

buy an Apple Vision Pro. Ha! I'm

42:55

all for a productivity headset, but

42:57

every time you review your latest purchase I agree and

42:59

I end up buying one. I cannot afford nor justify

43:01

another one. Have some self-control

43:04

man. Yeah,

43:06

I'm not really likely, although I do

43:10

I do leave room for you.

43:13

See this, Lego? See this? Here's the problem

43:15

is our buddy Alex from Self Host have

43:17

got one and he's been

43:19

just pinging me with all kinds of stuff

43:21

he's doing. Don't let Alex corrupt you. I

43:23

know and you know the one that seems

43:25

of most appealing and I know this this tells

43:27

you the state of life but the one that you

43:29

face that's the most appealing is

43:31

taking a laptop out into the car and

43:34

turning my car into an office where

43:36

I could work a couple hours. Good God, man. $3,500. I

43:40

know. Well, I mean, yeah,

43:42

it would be I would it would not be

43:44

an easy decision especially because there's so many other

43:46

things that really that money could go towards so

43:48

I'm not I'm not very inclined to do it.

43:52

I think you shouldn't do it. We'll

43:55

see what they do at WWDC. I think it's

43:57

very unlikely. Oh, I think it's like

43:59

a 10% possibility. It's a 10% possibility. You

44:02

know how things have changed in all these

44:04

years where I'm telling you to buy the

44:06

crazy thing? Well it's like 10% possible.

44:08

But if they let me

44:10

have three or four screens in there, which

44:13

I don't think they're gonna do. No, they're not gonna do

44:15

that. But if they did, then I could start to justify

44:17

the cost of it to myself. But

44:20

beyond that I just can't see it. Oh, God.

44:22

Oh, Lord. I can't see it. I can't see

44:24

it. I really, I just, we'll

44:26

see. I don't think it's gonna happen. I do, I

44:28

mean even this morning prepping the show I was using

44:31

the Quest headset. More and

44:33

more I'm like I just wish it was a

44:35

little bit higher resolution. Of

44:37

course you do. Yeah. But

44:40

I probably feel that way with the Vision Pro as well.

44:43

Probably wouldn't get any better. Eric comes in

44:45

with 2,345 SATs. He says I'm

44:47

slightly behind on Coder but C++

44:50

is my current favorite programming language.

44:52

The standard library is quite beautiful and

44:55

elegant in its design pattern. Do

44:57

we need a successor? Nope.

45:00

Yes and no. A lot of the discussion,

45:02

in my opinion, is around the speed of

45:04

the ISO committee standardizing C++ versions and their

45:07

stance on breaking things sometimes if something leads

45:09

to an ABI break. The C and C++

45:11

languages are one of the remaining languages that

45:13

are managed by an ISO committee. If

45:16

I want to propose a change, I

45:19

need to join my county's ISO committee. Then

45:21

I can submit a proposal for a change.

45:23

Some major changes like multi-dimensional span took 10

45:26

plus years to standardize. Who

45:29

has that kind of stamina these

45:31

days? I'm old Gandalf. I've

45:33

been trying to get this string

45:36

parsing library passed for 27 years.

45:39

Carbon is cool and it's

45:42

probably the most promising one. There's

45:44

also a Hilo or Halo, H-Y-L-O

45:46

from Adobe. Yeah, that Adobe. Yeah,

45:51

why, okay, stop right there. Why

45:53

would anybody agree to use an

45:55

Adobe language again after we all had to

45:58

suffer through the action script in Adobe? air

46:00

folks I know I can't see it like

46:02

Adobe go collect your $30 a month for

46:06

whatever it is Adobe cloud and go away

46:09

adversary 17 came in with

46:11

a baller boost sixteen thousand three hundred

46:13

eighty four sets he

46:18

says hi drew thanks for all you do

46:20

well yes indeed drew is amazing

46:22

he is drew is great thank you better than

46:24

your drew and he gets a split so

46:27

if he goes and looks in his album extension you'll

46:29

see that message pay the man but he also hears

46:31

this you'll also hear this Sean

46:33

W comes in we know cuz he's editing you see

46:35

what I'm saying so I don't have to mention the

46:37

alby thing cuz he's gonna hear this right here right

46:40

now yeah anyway Sean W comes

46:42

in with space balls boost one two

46:44

three four five sets so the combination

46:46

is one two three

46:48

four five and

46:51

he writes it took some work to get

46:56

there but I'm finally able to boost

46:58

into my favorite JB podcast Sean from

47:01

Australia well congratulations sir excellent

47:04

getting it set up is the trickiest part especially

47:06

depending on the route you take your country of

47:08

origin but once you set up it should be

47:10

pretty smooth and I really do appreciate it Sean

47:12

so thank you thank you very much for

47:15

boosting in it's great to hear from you thank

47:17

you everybody who boosted in we had nine

47:19

boosters and we stacked sixty one thousand six

47:22

hundred and twenty nine cents not bad

47:24

not great not good but alright

47:26

and we appreciate every single one of them thank

47:28

you so much you can go grab fountain and

47:31

strike if you want to just boost real easy and

47:33

quick we have links in the show notes or check

47:35

out podcast apps calm maybe grab pod verse or cast

47:37

a manic something else there's so

47:39

many great apps now and they're really coming along with a

47:42

great set of features including things like

47:44

value for value music where people can cut

47:46

in music and support the

47:48

artist around that but also things like

47:50

cloud chapters you find out about the episode

47:52

within 90 seconds of it getting posted that's

47:55

really cool a bunch of great

47:57

things in those new podcast apps podcast

47:59

apps Dot-com mr.

48:01

Dominic Anywhere you want to

48:03

send the good people before we get out of here? You

48:05

could follow me on LinkedIn. I insanely use

48:07

my real name. So, you know, I'm there

48:10

I guess Mastodon

48:12

it's to Manukau there and if

48:15

you need things automated or I don't

48:18

know why I keep blowing my own

48:20

advertising campaigns but Alice can now read

48:22

machine data out of Basically

48:24

Raspberry Pis and insane proprietary

48:27

Autodesk using things for construction

48:29

companies so if

48:32

there are some custom solution you want on

48:34

that I now license libraries out of Alice

48:36

as a Kind

48:38

of part of custom work. So

48:40

heck. Yeah. Heck. Yeah, that

48:42

is really cool, man You know what? Yeah, it makes

48:44

sense because you know what nobody Nobody

48:47

coming to me wants like a sad solution. They

48:49

want it like the way they want So that

48:51

sounds like people you can find

48:53

me at Chris laughs calm Chris LAS calm if

48:55

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48:58

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49:01

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49:42

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49:44

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49:46

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49:48

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49:50

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