How should Christians engage with the culture around us? David VanDrunen offers us his wisdom from his book, Living In God’s Two Kingdoms: A Biblical Vision for Christianity and Culture. We talk through the Two Kingdoms doctrine and what it means for our cultural engagement efforts today.

Here’s a breakdown of the interview: 3:50-5:56: Intro6:38-9:11: Systematic Theology and Ethics10:35-15:02: Two Kingdoms summary15:10-16:04: Covenant definition17:30-22:55: Tranformationist vs. Two Kingdoms perspective24:27-32:12: Does what we do matter?33:09-43:00: Does racial reconciliation fit in the common or redemptive kingdom?45:00-47:04: How does the church pursue racial reconciliation?47:04-50:19: What is the church’s relation to the common kingdom? 51:24-56:12: To what extent can the church get involved in politics?59:53-1:00:20: Closing thoughts.

Passage of the day:"In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord; make his paths straight.’” (Matthew 3:1-3, ESV).

Theme music by: David ButlerMixed by: David ButlerPodcast design by: Jake CannonAdditional consulting by: Nick Francis Sponsored by: Crossway, JM Films, Switch CoffeeSpecial Thanks: David VanDrunen