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On April 15, 1979.

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Harriet Simmons left her home in Raleigh, North Carolina for a weekend trip to Nashville.

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The drive should have taken about eight hours, but Harriet Simmons never arrived at her destination.

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Her

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missing. This is her son-in-law Ronnie Dimmitt.

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It was totally out of character for a mom not to call.

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You know, when we knew she would know because her kids were her life.

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She would never go that long and not be in touch with them.

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One third of all murder cases in America remain open.

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Each one is called a cold case and only 1% are ever solved.

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This is one of those rare cases from a and E.

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The podcast, the family joined in the search.

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Ronnie retraces the route that Harriet would have taken to get to Nashville two and a half hours into the search.

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He finds an important piece of evidence Harriet's car.

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The car was parked just off an exit lane leading out of a rest area.

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This is Ronnie again, See

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in the car where it was, and I know it was at a character that her mom would never stop the car in that position.

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The police searched the car for clues of Harriet's whereabouts.

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It's what they don't find that makes them suspicious.

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Her keys and purse are missing.

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They also noticed that the car has a flat tire and theorized that Harriet might've asked a stranger for help.

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That stranger might've been responsible for her disappearance.

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There was a new car who leaves, I

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was Richard Harriet son, Richard, and his six siblings ranging in age from nine to 22 were growing increasingly anxious for information about their mother's disappearance, parents, children suspected the police were not taking her case.

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Seriously. This is her daughter, Julia.

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They acted as if she was a runaway mother.

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You know, they stereotype she's single.

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She thought of that, you know, and until, I mean, I actually remember talking to an investigator and them actually saying, you know, you know, the oldest, one of you guys is 19 or 21, you know?

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And they just really basically treated us like we were a bunch of little kids crying.

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Hey, I want my mommy. Where is she?

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Even if the detectives had the best of intentions, there was nobody, no fingerprints and no usable evidence from the car.

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Harriet Simmons case was going nowhere.

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That is until 11 months later, when her missing persons investigation became a murder investigation in a rural area, 260 miles from Harriet's home in Raleigh, captain Mike Wright discovered a human skeleton.

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The skull had been moved from the location of the rest of the bones by probably by animal activity.

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And so we did a grid search of the surrounding area and then located articles of clothing and additional bones and evidence in the leaves, The

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bones, clothing, and other additional evidence were taken to the medical examiner for possible identification.

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He determined that the victim was a woman between the ages of 45 and 55 years old.

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He also noticed four cuts in the victim's clothing that matched identical cuts in the victims bones.

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This is Dr. John butts, the medical examiner.

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What we're looking at here is one of the ribs on the left side.

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And right here above the label, you can see a little Nick in the bone.

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So we put those together, the injuries to the bones, the injuries to the clothing, the fact that we have a relatively young individual and the conclusion would be that she's died as a result of being stabbed.

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Using dental records, Dr. Butts was able to determine that the remains found in the woods belong to Harriet Simmons.

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children. This is her son, Jeffrey, of course, it's always a shadow hanging over your head.

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Again. We were so relieved that she wasn't And

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we were able to bare your butt.

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Sure wants someone to be caught for it with no suspects and no leads.

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Jeffrey's hope for justice.

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Doesn't seem likely.

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That is until captain Wright receives an early morning phone call.

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I was at home and it was around four o'clock in the morning.

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And the dispatcher called and said that a body had been located.

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The location of the second victim was only 18 miles from the spot where Harriet had been discovered captain right response to the scene on the bank of the French broad river in Asheville, North Carolina, a local tells captain, Right,

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The train crew had seen the car while the train was crossing.

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This trestle here, and the vehicle was in the river about 20 feet off the shore up river from the bridge.

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And the car was partially submerged, about 20 feet off the bank.

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The police wondered if there was a connection between the abandoned car and the murder, just down the river.

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They run the license plates through the database at the department of motor vehicles, it's registered to a local woman, Margaret McConnell.

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They said that they had found the car in the river and they explained what had happened.

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And they asked some of the family to come down pound.

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That was Margaret. She wasn't the victim found by the river, but she knew who was her 21 year old daughter.

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Betty Sue had taken the car to work earlier in the evening.

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Betty Sue never came back home.

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Margaret identifies her daughter's body for the police.

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Can you explain how, how we felt, how you know, it's most terrible thing I've ever gone through A

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team of local and state investigators is assembled to work on the case.

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They start by looking into the life of Betty, Sue, her friends, her family, what she liked to do and where she worked.

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Betty Sue worked the night shift at a local donut shop.

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She left work at 1:00 AM on the night she was killed.

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It would have been physically possible for someone to have killed the victim at the other location, driven the car back here, pushed the car into the river here and climbed up a very small embankment following along the trestle and be back to the railroad yard where all the railroad workers would be expected to be.

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This is special agent bill Matthews, another member of the investigation team.

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There were quite a few railroad men that would come and go in the course of two or three days.

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Once we determined who all was there, we had to find out where they lived and try to interview them that way.

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In addition to identifying and interviewing suspects, the investigative team also turned their attention to the car, which had to be dried out after being retrieved from the river.

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There were no fingerprints, no blood and no leads with no viable leads.

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Betty Sue McConnell joined Harriet Semans and the file of cold cases In the year, 1998, 19 years after the murder of Harriet and Betty Sue, a man known as the smokey mountain, gypsy brought a renewed focus to their cases.

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His given name was Jerry Harmon, and he had a secret Very

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much around storytelling and was a storyteller myself.

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And the most devastating thing that ever happened to me was a story that I felt I couldn't tell.

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I was afraid.

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What could terrify a man into keeping a devastating secret for 19 years?

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It turns out that Jerry Harmon was partially motivated into silence by guilt and shame, the same feelings that are often associated with an alcohol use disorder.

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I lived in a bottle for a long time.

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I find inside of a bottle and I, and I stayed there and I didn't feel anything.

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And then the time came when that didn't work anymore.

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And finally, it just got to the point of where it was just on there.

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That unbearable feeling led Jerry Harmon to the office of captain Pat Hefner at the County Sheriff's department.

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Harmon told the police that he knew things, things that the police needed to know.

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was someone who had committed tote, blooded murder.

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Captain Hefner listened as Harman began a story.

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It started on August 25th of 1979.

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He and his friend had been drinking and partying and driving around for most of the day.

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Jerry Harmon was 19 at the time.

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And his friend, Terry Hyatt was 22 after a day of drinking and driving around town.

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The two men visited a local bar around 2:30 AM.

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They decided to leave loading back into Terry Hyatt's truck.

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Here's Jerry Harmon telling the story of what happened next.

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There was a young lady to pull up on the driver's side at a traffic light, and Terry made an obscene gestures towards her.

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And then when she turned to the left, he ran it off the road.

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And then he jumped out and ran up to her car and jerked the open and yelled back at me and said, follow me.

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And he jumped in her car and took off Harmon

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did, as he was told and follow the car and Terry Hyatt's truck, they drove for a few miles and then turned down a dirt road.

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And then he got the girl out of the car, came back to the truck, got into the truck with her.

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And I got away from there, you know, and it's obvious what was going on.

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He was raping this young lady and I was just terrified.

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And then when he finished, I remember he came up to me and said, you know, asked me if I was gonna do anything.

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And I said, Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

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Well, he got in her car and started driving up and down the road extremely fast, you know?

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And I remember telling her, get out of here, go leave.

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And she kept saying, that's my sister's car.

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Can't leave my sister's car. And I said, forget your sister's car.

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You know, just get away from here.

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The woman doesn't leave. And Terry Hyatt pushes her back into the car.

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He starts to drive once again, ordering Jerry Harmon to follow.

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And no one could ever be as hard on me as I've been on myself, I should have done this.

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I could've done that. But at the time it was just, I was totally freaking out.

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I, and I just followed it.

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I couldn't comprehend what was happening.

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Why did I not try to do something?

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But still the thought had never occurred to me, to Ashley.

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Someone was going to die. That just didn't seem real.

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You know, then we went and it took her power by some water Hyatt

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pulled the woman out of a car and dragged her towards the, And

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then I heard this girl scream and then it was, I assumed he was raping her again or something.

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You know? I mean, that's what I figured was going on.

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there

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then

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it

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dawned

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on

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me. I didn't hear the barrel anymore.

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And I said, you killed it, bro.

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And then he told me, yeah, he had Hyatt,

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took the car up the river, a couple of miles and pushed it into the water.

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When he got back into his truck, his message to the understandably upset, Jerry Harmon was clear.

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Well, I was just freaked out. And, and he says, you better not ever tell him about it, about this.

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Cause you were here with me and you'll go to prison.

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The rest of your life, just like Howard. Well,

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after 19 years of silence, captain Hefner was the first person to hear this horrific story of rape and murder.

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Harmon was even able to provide the captain with the location where the body and the car had been dumped.

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This is captain Hefner.

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And that's what keyed me off because I knew that they had recovered a body at or near the French broad river from 1979 or 1980.

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So I researching, You

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Know, the ones from that thing, 79 came up with a name, but it's Sue McConnell, Captain

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Hefner assigned the case to detective Anne Benjamin and agent Tim shook, both are part of the state's cold case team.

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They started their investigation by talking once again to Jerry Harmon.

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Herman was old enough to remember when the murder happened, but was his account of the crime accurate.

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This is detective Benjamin, His

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statement about where it occurred, the description of her car, the fact that it was left in a river, all those statements that he made led us to believe that he knew exactly what he was talking about.

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He had mentioned that if we really wanted to verify his story, we need to talk to Mr.

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Hyatt's best friend at the time, which was Lester Dean Helms.

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The investigators surprised by this additional information attempted to locate Lester homes.

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They wanted to speak to him as a witness to see if he would corroborate Jerry Harmon story.

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We weren't really accusing him of anything except guilty knowledge of things that Terry height would have done.

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It took two months, but detective Benjamin and special agent shook found Lester Holmes.

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He was a resident in a nursing home.

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They asked homes what he knows about Terry Hyatt and the murder of a woman, Lester homes, without hesitation confirms that Terry Hyatt had committed murder.

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However, the details that followed were not with the investigators expected, this is special agent shook.

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And when we ask him to relate what he recalls, he starts talking about a lady with a flat tire being abducted along the interstate.

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Lester Holmes was recounting the details of a murder, but it didn't appear to be the same murder that Jerry Harmon had shared.

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And Lester Holmes, a statement Terry Hyatt had raped a woman and then dumped her body in the woods.

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18 miles from where Betty Sue was found though, initially confused.

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It didn't take the investigators long to relate the new story to an old crime.

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As we're walking out to the car, I remember turning to Tim and say, what was that all about?

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And he says, I think I know I

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had read the file. And it began to click.

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That sounds like the Harriet Simmons' murder because her skeletal remains had been found in Buncombe County up near the blue Ridge Parkway.

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The cases of Harriet Simmons and Betty Sue McConnell had never been connected before both women had been abducted from a car and stabbed several times and both victims had been dumped in a remote location.

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This discovery did.

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However, leave one question unanswered.

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If these cases had gone unconnected for 19 years, was it possible that there were even more victims?

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Detective Benjamin looks up Terry Hyatt's criminal record and discovers that he'd been sent to prison in 1979 for kidnapping the kidnapping.

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It occurred just a few months after Betty Sue's murder.

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The woman's name was Carolyn Bregman and she had survived the attack.

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She was alive.

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Detective Benjamin spoke with her.

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Ms. Brigman was very, very fearful.

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All these years of him, he had threatened her that he would come back and get her at, at the trial.

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She didn't have a driver's license.

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She didn't want anybody to track her.

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So I actually found her through her Children.

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Carolyn Bregman had been walking down the street when she noticed a man who appeared to be having trouble with his truck.

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As she walked by, the man reached out and grabbed her.

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He put a knife to her throat and told her not to yell and to get into the truck.

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Carolyn, even 20 years later, struggles to talk about what happened to her.

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This is her daughter, Melissa.

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My mom was trying to convince him to let her go, that she wouldn't tell anybody.

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After a while, he, he, he told her that he was going to do something he had never done before.

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And he was going to give her back her life.

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The details that Carolyn Brigman shared about her attack were almost identical to the two unsolved murders that Terry Hyatt was suspected of committing in order for the investigators to convict Terry Hyatt, they needed the testimony of Carolyn Bregman.

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He was very willing to go ahead and testify in court, which we, you know, we desperately wanted.

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Terry Alvin Hyatt was brought in for questioning about the murders of Harriet Semans and Betty Sue McConnell.

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Now 40 years old, Carrie Hyatt brought his father with him for support.

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He seemed fairly willing to talk, but his father was very apprehensive and you know, we'd rather we weren't there, but of course, Terry was in his forties, they hit and he made the decision to talk to us.

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He's first questioned about Betty Sue McConnell, Hyatt places himself at the scene of the crime, but he denies that he killed Betty Sue.

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He investigators then begin to ask questions about Harriet Simmons, Hyatt doesn't answer.

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And then he asks for an attorney he's arrested for the murder of both women.

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Rodney hasty was the prosecutor and Terry Hyatt's case.

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And even though it appears obvious that Hyatt was the culprit, the physical evidence was lacking.

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We didn't have any, you know, you know, hardcore DNA evidence that could, you know, show that he was the person that raped them.

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But we had lots and lots of pieces of the puzzle that went assembled, painted a clear picture that this guy is the one that committed these murders.

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Despite the lack of DNA, the prosecution seeks the death penalty.

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And on January 6th, 2000 Terry Alvin Hyatt's trial begins the first to testify on behalf of the prosecution is Jerry Harmon.

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I knew I was finally doing what I should have done before he killed an innocent woman that had a family and had done nothing to him whatsoever.

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No, no kind of self defense was embodied.

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It was just told murder.

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Harmon's testimony is followed by Lester Helms.

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The final witness for the prosecution is Carolyn Bregman, Rodney hasty.

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The prosecutor describes the impact of her testimony.

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I have not seen more chilling testimony come from the witness than I did that day.

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When all the family members were there in the courtroom, lined up, hearing this for the first time.

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And here, this woman is brave enough to be the only one that lived.

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And at the time she testified for all she knew the jury might let him go and walk out of that courtroom.

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On January 31st, 2000 a jury finds Terry Hyatt guilty on all counts.

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database. Another match has found a woman named Jerry Ann Jones was raped and murdered in Charlotte.

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When faced with the DNA evidence and offered a deal to avoid a second death sentence.

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Terry Hyatt confessed.

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I was given time riding around drinking. Didn't have no one else bothers her, I guess, about her one time.

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So I basically forced her in the back of the truck before she even left home.

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I had to cover up my stupidity on the speck.

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That's what I did to do it.

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That's when he killed her.

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So if she couldn't tell anybody what you're doing, she tried to run in the back of the truck.

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I grabbed her, I grabbed her and stabbed her the same time.

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The families of Harriet Simmons and Betty Sue McConnell were present in the courtroom on the day that Terry Hyatt pled guilty to the murder of Jerry Jones.

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Here's Jeffrey Jones, Harriet son, Joan's

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family. And we, we offer our complete support.

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And we're glad that he's been exposed for what he is In

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2009. Terry Hyatt filed a motion with the fourth circuit court of appeals, claiming that he was improperly questioned without an attorney.

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A three judge panel denied his claim and upheld his conviction and sentence.

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Terry Hyatt has been on death row for the past 17 years.

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Margaret McConnell continues to grieve for her daughter, Betty Sue, when asked how she feels about Terry Hyatt sentence.

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This is what she had to say.

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I think he should sit there and suffer, but I don't think he's doing that because I really don't think it bothers him.

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I may be wrong, but I really don't.

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So I think he should just be her today.

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I really do Cold

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The car was parked just often accidentally leaving out of a rest area. This is Ronnie again. See in the car where it was, and I know it was at a character that her mom would never stop the car in that in the car where it was and and and know was at a character that her mom would never stop the car in that position. I just knew something happened as she was leaving that priest area. didn't know what, but I knew she would never stop her car there. The searched the car for clues of Harriet's whereabouts. It's what they don't find that makes him suspicious. Her keys and purse are missing. They also noticed that the car has a flat tire and theorized that Harriet might have asked a stranger for help. That stranger might have been responsible for her disappearance. There was a new car who would leaves, I mean, a new car in her situation. A brand new car that was in running condition and working order. That was Richard, Harriet Son. Richard and his sick siblings, raging an age from nine to twenty two, were growing increasingly anxious for information about their mother's disappearance. Herriage children suspected that the police were not taking her case seriously. This is her daughter, Julia. They acted as if she was a runaway mother. You know, they stereotype. She's single. She's out of that. You know, and until I mean, I actually remember talking to an investigator and then actually saying, you know, you know, the oldest one of you guys is nineteen, or twenty one, you know. And they just really basically treated us like we were bunch of little kids crying, hey, I want my mommy. Where is she? Even if the detectives had the best of questions. There was no body, no fingerprints, and no usable evidence from the car. Harriet Simmons case was going nowhere. That is until eleven months later when her missing person's investigation became a murder investigation. In a rural area, two hundred and sixty miles from Harriet's home in Raleigh, captain Mike Wright discovered a human skeleton. The skull had been moved from the location of the rest of the bones by probably by animal activity. And so we did a grid search of the surrounding area and then located articles of clothing and additional bones of evidence in the leaves. The bones, clothing, and other additional evidence were taken to the medical examiner for possible bones, clothing, and other additional evidence were taken to the medical examiner for possible identification. He determined that the victim was a woman between the ages of forty five and fifty five years old. He also noticed four cuts in the victim's clothing that matched identical cuts in the victim's bones. This is doctor John Butz, the medical examiner. What we're looking at here is one of the ribs on the left side and right here above the label, can see a little nick in the bone. So we put those together, the injuries to the bones, the injuries to the clothing, the fact that we have relatively young individual, and the conclusion would be that she's died as a result of being stabbed. Using dental records, doctor Butz was able to determine that the remains found in the woods belonged to Harriet Simmons. The police notified Harriet's children. This is her son, Jeffrey. Of course, it's always a shadow hanging over your head. Again, we were so relieved that she was found And we were able to bare your we were able to bury her. But Of course, you all want someone to be caught for it. With no suspects and no leads, Jeffrey's hope for justice doesn't seem likely. That is until Captain Wright receives an early morning phone call. I was at home and it was around four o'clock in the was at home and it was around four o'clock in the morning. And the dispatcher called and said that a body had been located. 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And the vehicle was in the river about twenty feet off the shore, up river from the bridge. And the car was partially submerged about twenty feet off the bank. The police wondered if there was a connection between the abandoned car and the murder just down the river. They run the license plates through the database at the Department of Motor Vehicles. It's registered to a local woman, Margaret McConnell. McConnell. They said that they had found the car in the river, and they explained what had happened, and they asked some of the family to come down town. That was Margaret. She wasn't the victim found by the river, but she knew who was. Her twenty one year old daughter, Betty Sue, had taken the car to work earlier in the evening. Betty Sue never came back home. Margaret identifies her daughter's body for the police. I can't explain how how we felt, how, you know, it's most terrible thing I'd ever own through. A team of local and state investigators is assembled to work on case. They start by looking into the life of Betty Sue, her friends, her family, what she like to do, and where she worked. Betty Sue worked the night shift at a local doughnut shop. She left work at one AM on the night she was killed. It would have been physically possible for someone to have killed the victim at the other location, driven the car back here, pushed the car into the river here, and climbed up a very small embankment following along the trestle and be back to the railroad yard where all the railroad workers would be expected to be within a matter of minutes. That was investigator Bissard. The investigation team had also uncovered the fact that the donut shop was frequented by railroad workers. This is special agent, Bill Matthews, another member of the investigation team. There were quite a few railroad men that would come and go in the course of for two or three days. Once we determine who all was there, we had to find out where they lived and try to interview them that way. In addition to identifying and interviewing suspects, the investigative team also turned their attention to the car, which had to be dried out after being retrieved from the river. There were no fingerprints, no blood, and no leads. With no viable leads, Bardi Sue McConnell joined Harriet Simmons in the file of cold cases. In the year nineteen ninety eight, nineteen years after the murder of Harriet and Betty Sue, a man known as the Smokey Gypsy brought a renewed focus to their cases. His given name was Jerry Harmon, and he had a secret. I grew up very much around storytelling and was a storytelling myself and the the most devastating thing that ever happened to me was a story that I felt I couldn't tell. I was afraid to tell. What could terrify a man into keeping a devastating secret for nineteen years? It turns out that Jerry Harmon was partially motivated into silence by guilt and shame. The same feelings that are often associated with an alcohol use disorder. I lived in a bottle for a long I lived in a bottle. For long time. I climbed inside of a bottle and I and stayed there and I didn't feel anything. And then the time came when that did work anymore. And finally, it just got to the point to where it was just unbearable. That unbearable feeling led Jerry Harmon to the office of captain Pat Hefner at the County Sheriff's unbearable feeling led Jerry Harmon to the office of captain Pat Heffner at the county sheriff's department. Harmon told the police that he knew things. Things that the police needed to know. I knew that I had been with someone who had committed. Hope not at murder. Captain Heffner listened as Harman began his story. It started on August twenty fifth of nineteen seventy nine. He and his friend have been drinking and partying and driving around for most of the day. Jerry Hartman was nineteen at the time, and his friend, Terry Hyatt, was twenty two. After a day of drinking and driving around town, the two men visited a local bar. Around two thirty AM, they decided to leave. Loading back into Terry Hyatt's truck. Here's Jerry Harmon telling the story of what happened next. There was a young lady pulled up on the driver's side at the top supply and Terry made an obscene gesture towards her. And then when she turned to the left, he ran her off the road. And then he jumped out and ran up to her car and jerked the door open and yelled back at me and said, follow me. And he jumped in her car and took off. Harmen did as he was told and followed the car in Terry Hyatt's truck. They drove for a few miles and then turned down a dirt road. And then he got the girl out of the car, came back to the truck, got into the truck with then, he got the girl out of car, came back to the truck, got into the truck with her, and I got away from there, you know. And It's obvious what was going on. He was right from this young lady. And I was just terrified. And then when he finished, I remember he came up to me and said, you know, asked me if I was gonna do anything. And I said, Oh, no, no, no, no, and I said, oh, no. No. No. No. Well, he got in her car and started driving up and down the road. Extremely fast, you know? And I remember telling her, get out get out here. Go. Leave. And she kept saying that's my sister's car. I can't leave my sister's car. And I said, from bitches, that's just part, you know, just get away from her. The woman doesn't leave, and Terry Hyatt pushes her back into the car. He starts to drive, once again ordering Jerry Harmon to follow. And And no one could ever be as hard on me as I've been on myself, I should have done no one could ever be as hard on me as I've been on myself. I should have done this. I could have done that. But at the time, it was just I was totally freaking out. And and I just followed it. I couldn't comprehend what was happening. Why did I not tried to do something, but still the thought had never occurred to me to ask why someone was gonna die. That just didn't seem real, you know. There was what? And and it totally powered by some water. Hyatt pulled the woman out of a car and dragged her towards the river. And then I heard this girl scream and it was a I assumed he was raping it being or something. You know? I mean, that's what I figured was going on. And he came back up there. And then it dawned on me. I didn't hear the pearl anymore. And I said, you peel that pearl bit. And then I hear Tell me. Yeah. Yeah. Hyatt took the car up the river couple of miles and pushed it into water. When he got back into his truck, his message to the understandably upset Jerry Harmon, was clear. Well, I was just freaked out and and he said, you better not ever tell him about about this. Because you were here with me, and you'll go to prison the rest your life. It's like how we are. After nineteen years of silence, Captain Heffner was the first person to hear this horrific story of rape and murder. Harman was even able to provide the acting with the location where the body and the car had been dumped. This is Captain Heffner. And that's what keep me off because I knew that they had recovered a body at or near the French Broward River from nineteen seventy nine or nineteen eighty. So I began researching, you You know, the ones from nineteen seventy nine and came up with a name, Betty Sue McConnell. Captain Hefner assigned the case to detective AM Benjamin and agent Tim Shook. Both are part of the state's cold case team. They started their investigation by talking once again to Jerry Harmon. Harmon. Herman was old enough to remember when the murder happened, but was his account of the crime Harmon was old enough to remember when the murder happened, but was his account of the crime accurate? This is detective Benjamin. His statement about where it occurred, the description of a car, the fact that it was left in a river, all those statements that he made led us to believe that he knew exactly what he was talking about. He had mentioned that If we really wanted to verify his story, we need to talk to mister Hyatt's best friend at the time, which was Lester Dean Helms. The investigators, surprised by this additional information, attempted to locate Lusterholmes. They wanted to speak to him as a witness, to see if he would corroborate Jerry Harmon's story. story. We weren't really accusing him of anything except guilty knowledge of things that Terry height would have weren't really accusing him of anything except guilty knowledge of things that Jerry Heim would have done. It took two months, but detective Benjamin and special agent Schuch found Lister Holmes. He was a resident and a nursing home. They asked homes what he knows about Terry Hyatt and the murder of a woman. Luster homes without hesitation confirms that Terry Hyatt had committed murder. However, the details that followed were not what the investigators expected. This is special agent shook. And when we ask him to relate what he recalls, he starts talking about a lady with a flat tire being abducted along the interstate Lester Holmes was recounting the details of her murder. But it didn't appear to be the same murder that Jerry Harmon had shared. Unless her home's statement, Jerry Hyatt had raped a woman and then dumped her body in woods. Eighteen miles from where Betty Sue was found. Though initially confused, it didn't take the investigators long to relate the new story to an old crime. As we're walking out to the car, I remember turning to Tim and saying, what was that all about? And he says, I think I know. I had read the read the file when it began to click, that sounds like the Harry of Simmons murder because her skeletal remains had been found in Buckham County up near the Blue Ridge Parkway. The cases of Harriet Simmons and Betty Sue McConnell had never been connected before both women had been abducted from a car and stabbed several times and both victims had been dumped in a remote The cases of Harriet Simmons and Betty Simonds had never been connected before. Both women had been abducted from a car and stabbed several times, and both victims had been dumped in a remote location. This discovery did however leave one question If these cases had gone unconnected for nineteen years, Was it possible that there were even more victims? Detective Benjamin looks up Terry Hyatt's criminal record and discovers that he'd been sent to prison in nineteen seventy nine. For kidnapping. The kidnapping had occurred just a few months after Betty Sue's murder. The woman's name was Carolyn Brinkman, and she had survived the attack. She was alive. Detective Benjamin spoke with her. Ms. Brigman was very, very Brigman was very, very fearful all these years of him. He had threatened her that he would come back and get her at at the trial. She didn't have a driver's license. She didn't want anybody to track her. So I actually found her through her children. Carolyn Briggman had been walking down the street when she noticed a who appeared to be having trouble with his truck. As she walked by, the man reached out and grabbed her. He put a knife to her throat and told her not to yell and to get into truck. Carolyn, even twenty years later, struggles to talk about what happened to her. This is her daughter, Melissa. My mom was trying to convince him to let her go, that she wouldn't tell was trying to convince him to let her go, that she wouldn't tell anybody. After a while, he he he told her that he was gonna do something he'd never done before, and he was gonna give her back her life. The details that Carolyn Brigman shared about her attack were almost identical to the two unsolved murders that Terry Hyatt was suspected of committing in order for the investigators to convict Terry Hyatt, they needed the testimony of Carolyn details that Carolyn Briggman shared about her attack were almost identical to the two unsolved murders that Terry Hyatt was suspected of committing. 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Now forty years old, Terry Hyatt brought his father with him for support. He seemed fairly willing to talk, but his father was very apprehensive and you know, we'd rather we weren't there, but of course, Terry was in his forties, they hit and he made the decision to talk to seemed fairly willing to talk, but his father was very apprehensive and, you know, would rather we weren't there, but, of course, Terry was in his forties there and he made the decision to talk to us. He's first questioned about Betty Sue McConnell, Hyatt places himself at the scene of the crime, but he denies that he killed Betty first questioned about Betty Sue McConnell. Hyatt places himself at the scene of the crime, but he denies that he killed Betty Sue. The investigators then begin to ask questions about Harriet Simmons. Hyatt doesn't answer, and then he asked for an attorney. He's arrested for the murder of both women. Rodney Hasty was the prosecutor in Terry Hyatt's case. And even though it appears obvious that Hyatt was the culprit, the physical evidence was lacking. We didn't have any, you know, hardcore DNA evidence that could, you know, show that he was the person that raped them, but we had lots and lots of pieces. Of the puzzle that when assembled, painted a clear picture that this guy is the one that committed these murders. Despite the lack of DNA, the prosecution seeks the death penalty. And on January sixth two thousand, Terry Alvin Hyatt's trial begins. The first to testify on behalf of the prosecution is Jerry Harmon. Harmon. I knew I was finally doing what I should have done before. He killed an innocent woman that had a family and had done nothing to him whatsoever. No no kind of self defense was involved. It was just a whole murder. Harman's testimony is followed by Lester Helms. The final witness for prosecution is Carolyn Brinkman. Rodney Hasty, the prosecutor, describes the impact of her testimony. I have not seen more chilling testimony come from the witness than I did that I have not seen more chilling testimony come from the witness stand than I did that day. When all of the family members were there in the courtroom lined up hearing this for the first time. And here this woman is brave enough to be the only one that lived And at the time she testified for all she knew, the jury might let him go and walk out of that courtroom. On January thirty first two thousand, A jury finds Terry Hyatt guilty on all counts. The judge then announces his sentence. Terry Evans Heights. We put the desk as a law provider. While on death row, Terry Hyatt's DNA was collected and entered into the state data bank. Another match is found. A woman named Jerry Anne Jones was raped and murdered in Charlotte. When faced with the DNA evidence and offered a deal to avoid a second death sentence, Terry Hyatt confessed. I was given time around around drinking dinner. You know, when I spotted her at Yes. Another one. time. So I basically forced her in the back of the truck before she even left actually forced her in the back of the truck before she even left off the horn. I had to cover up my stupidity. I'm afraid. That's what I've done to do it. Okay. That's what I killed her. And so if she could tell anybody what you're doing. She tried to run. K. In the back of the truck, the front left her. Afterwards, backwards, like that. The families of Harriet Simmons and Betty Sue McConnell were present in the courtroom on the day that Terry Hyatt pled guilty to the murder of Jerry families of Harriet Simmons and Betty Sue McConnell were present in the courtroom on the day that Terry Hyatt pled guilty to murder of Jerry Jones. Here's Jeffrey Jones, Harrietson. I'll agree for the other Jones family, and we We offer our complete support, and we're glad that he's being expelled for what he is. In two thousand and nine, Carrie Hyatt filed a motion with the fourth Circuit Court of Appeals claiming that he was improperly questioned without an attorney. A three judge panel denied his claim and upheld his conviction in sentence. Terry Hyatt has been on death row for the past seventeen years. Margaret McConnell continues to greet for her daughter, Betty Sue. When asked how she feels about Carrie Hyatt's sentence, this is what she had to say. Some days, I think he should sit there and suffer, but I don't think he's doing that because I really don't think it bothers him. III may be wrong, but I really don't. So I think it should just be good to death. I really do. Cold case files, the podcast, is hosted by Brook Giddings. Produced by Scott Brody, Mckamey Lynn, and Steve Delomator, Our executive producer is Ted Butler. We're distributed by Podcast one. The Cold Case Files TV series was produced by Curtis Productions and hosted by Bill Curtis. 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