Pumehana and I recorded this last year, actually. And it sat in my drafts all year unedited. But because Pume is who she is, she showed me grace, understanding, and empathy knowing full well that I was going to get to it when I was ready and when I had the time to put my attention to it. This is the theme of our conversation. Two women who live with realness for the lives we are responsible for. She put it the best, "So many nuggets in this episode!" She's right. Take a listen to two women who are doing the best with what we were prepared for. The messages of our childhood live long inside and manifests itself into who we are today - good or bad.