This episode is the second part to our conversation with Todd Edwards. We pick back up where we left off last time: with Todd’s view on how to approach the problem of underperforming firefighters in your station. Granted, if you’re good at rehabilitating firefighters, you usually get sent more “projects,” and as Todd explains, it can begin to seem like Groundhog Day. On top of that, you’re not going to succeed every time. We discuss the nature of success and how many times you might fail for every time you succeed.

Todd then goes on to tell us about his latest endeavor making better firefighters. His class “Breaking Barriers” is training for responders on how to interact with people who have special needs. You may be asking, “So a bad-ass firefighter isn’t teaching tactics? Instead he’s teaching how to be more understanding and sensitive?” You bet your ass he is, and it’s pretty remarkable.

If you’re interested in more information about the class after listening to the episode, Todd can be reached at [email protected].