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Pushkin Author's
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note. When
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I set out to try and understand the
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experience of heartbreak, both my own
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and more generally, I recorded
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a lot of my journey as it was unfolding
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in real time. I'm recording
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how you are.
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Oh my god, you're really going to do this?
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I don't know. Writing
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this book has been a deeply personal exploration
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for me, and I'm grateful you're choosing to
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listen. It may sound a little different
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from the audio books you're used to hearing. I'll
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be reading the text, but you'll also hear passages
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from my audio journal, entries and
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sounds from trips I took in the wilderness.
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You'll hear conversations with friends.
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The only advice I have for you is that
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we are here for you, so
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don't.
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Do it alone.
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And scientists and experts who study
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heartbreak.
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Just because you've been dumped doesn't mean you
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you just can stop attaching. In fact, the
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brain region that becomes active when you've
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been dumped a link with pain,
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also becomes active when you have tooth
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pain.
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Why does that seem sort of appropriate?
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So it's a very painful
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experience and it can last a
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long time.
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You'll even hear me in therapy. Yeah,
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just the whole universe of dating is
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much more dramatic of being in a twenty
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year marriage. I figured this
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is an audiobook, you might as well really
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hear it. The highs, the
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lows, the sometimes crooked
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path to a heart more whole.
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Here we go.
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I hope you enjoy it. Chapter
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five, O G Sin You
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Suck It Love. Simple
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Plan from the album Simple
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Plan. I always
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liked driving west. After
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Salt Lake City, I'd flown back to Boulder,
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and now I was headed out again to speak
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at another conference, this time in
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the tiny alpine town of Telluride.
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I picked up the old Ford Ranger truck
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we still shared with Peter and Lisa. Man
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Handling the stick shift and hand rolling
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the windows up and down made me feel
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less ghost like and more embodied,
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bigger and slightly tougher. Perhaps
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I was wandering alone through a dark wood,
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but I had my metal steed. This
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steed supplied no air conditioner, so
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the mountain wind slashed into the cab
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with the smell of something alive. Maybe
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this was the simplest tool of female
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power. A Ford. The
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San Juan Mountains never looked better.
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As part of the conference, one day, I led
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a group of hikers up a trail to a small
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creek. Some medical technicians joined
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us from town, and they brought blood pressure
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monitors. We took the hikers resting
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blood pressure before starting, and then
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again about thirty minutes into the hike.
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We had closed our eyes to hear the breezes
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and the birds, better, crumbled
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and sniffed ponderosa pine needles,
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and felt the texture of the trail beneath
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our feet. It was fun to demonstrate
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in real time what I'd written about
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the quick restorative effects of engaging
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your senses outside, and sure enough,
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everyone's blood pressure dropped significantly.
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It reminded me again how badly
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I needed these lessons myself. I
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wanted to stop buzzing, to stop
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losing weight, to stop the ceaseless
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sorry soundtrack of heartbreak, and
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to remember I was not friendless
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and the world was not trying to kill me.
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On the last day of the conference, I met
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a man named Ennis, a good friend
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of a friend. He was appealing in
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a nerdy way, confident Earnest
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a system scientist with a specialty
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in wildlife population dynamics. He
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wanted to save global ecosystems.
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He told me his wife had dumped him several years
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earlier.
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Everything sucks so hard in
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divorce. It's like pain.
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That's him, that's his real, actual voice.
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We were called this encounter later on tape.
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At the time, though, we were standing over a
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cheese plate at an outdoor party. A
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band was playing. Hipsters, film
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people and extreme athletes
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were crowding the kegs. Divorce
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might be hard, but Ennis told me he had
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found an upside.
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One of the only greener pastures of it all is she get
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out to hook up with new people.
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How great is that?
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He spoke in shifting tones of exclamation
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points and resonant warmth. An
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extroverts extrovert, he was almost
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giddy recounting the freedoms and possibilities
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of singledom. I was mystified
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that anyone could feel so good about what was
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clearly a consolation prize. I
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liked being married. I liked the comforts
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and predictability, the rituals of
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couple filled school meetings,
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family meals, dog walks,
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shared friends, the expectation
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of adequate retirement benefits. Happy
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coupledom was, as bert Uccino
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kept saying in Utah, the holy grail of
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life as a naked ape. It was your best
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bulwark against chaos. Somebody
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had your back. In the meantime, though,
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Ennis, his bushy eyebrows rising
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and falling above Scandinavian chic
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eyewhere, was offering some concrete
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advice.
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Where you just got separated, you
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totally need to be making out with somebody. So
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the rebound is like the first person after
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a breakup that you hook up with, and maybe
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it's not mister forever, but it's mister
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right now, and it sends you in a good direction.
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I looked at him skeptically and scanned
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the crowd of sundresses and light fleece.
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I had it a bit longer. Ennis migrated
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to a conversation with a polar explorer,
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and I ducked out to meet a friend for dinner.
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Which pissed me off because I was I
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only left that conversation with you because
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I didn't want to come on too strong.
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I knew that I
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had to play a little hard to get and so I left the
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conversation and walked around the party.
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But then I left, so there
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was that was a fail because I just like walked
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out as a party. Okay, listener,
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I know this sounds kind of cute hearing us
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remembering this, like maybe we actually ended up
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best friends or happily ever after or something.
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Trust me, that's not what happened. Ennis
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did get my number. Later that night
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he texted. I wrote right back, I'm
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gone to dinner. What's up? And
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you said, did you find someone at the party to make out?
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Yeah?
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And I said no, they were all twenty
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six and stoned, and
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you.
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Said, well,
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that needs to be me.
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It took me a moment to realize he was offering
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himself. This had not occurred to me.
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I hadn't flirted with a stranger in decades.
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That muscle had withered along with the inclination.
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Ennis, with those assertive eyebrows,
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those doleful eyes, was not an
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obvious magnet of ardor. But
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I was finding it fascinating that he was
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so brazen and that he seemed to like me.
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I felt a gravitational pull toward
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his desire. This was wholly unfamiliar,
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kind of sexy.
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So at nine oh
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eight that night, I texted,
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so are we meeting downtown till
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you ride or Mountain Village, which
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was around the corner, And.
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I said, I'm chickening out,
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not ready this is me calling
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the shots like you said, but
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you're great and to be continued.
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And I said, um, mocking
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your um.
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You need to call the sh with more certainty
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to be convincing, Like that was
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bullshit. I'm checking out question Mark. That
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was such a tell. Then
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I just said, long hug under
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the tree in thirty six minutes.
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Now you're sounding like a system's geek.
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That sounds like a yes.
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I'm thinking.
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I'm thinking, what would eighty
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eight percent of your girlfriends tell
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you to do? Question Mark? The
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wise ones who really know.
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You, compelling
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argument, see
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you soon. I
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looked in the restaurant's bathroom mirror, seeing
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a woman who'd once been sure of herself
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and relatively untroubled. I
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wasn't young, but I wasn't ancient. My
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hair looked smooth and well behaved.
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In the Colorado aridity, several
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weeks after one's marriage ends might
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seem like an impossibly short time to start
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snogging someone new. But something
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I hadn't felt in a long time was rising.
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It was part defiance, part survival
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instinct, part arousal, and
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these were feelings of youth. I hadn't
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felt any of them in a long time. A
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certain teenage recklessness was knocking
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on my forehead. Plus Helen Fisher
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had said romance was good for us, Paula
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Williams said, be open minded. Lisa
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wanted me to unknown, what the hell?
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Why not a man was maybe seducing
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me when I was liking it and he was
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my age, had a job, and he
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was vetted by a trusted friend. So I
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met Ennis under that cottonwood tree.
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We walked to a footbridge over the Russian
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Creek under the moon.
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Yeah at night, super romantic,
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super super super romantic
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or romantic.
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And I was there on the railing and you showed up and you just
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like grabbed me. Yeah,
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and we started smooching.
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Yeah, we kissed a lot,
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and it was amazing. It was almost
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a religious experience. No one
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other than my husband had kissed me like that in
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over two decades, and even
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he not in a long time. I
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had thought I was very possibly done with
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men, and I was okay with that. I have good
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friends, I have nice kids, loyal
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pets, and yet here
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I was overwhelmingly turned
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on. My hard little heart hiccuped
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and started to soften along
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with everything else. I
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had discovered the power of sex as a
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teenager, but its power to me then
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was mostly a social one. It was a way
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to be in relationships, to know someone
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in a special way that was so long
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ago i'd forgotten. I'd enjoyed it
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since then, fairly often and
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then not so frequently. But for a
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long time it hadn't felt engulfing
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or piercingly intimate, or even
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that important. It had felt like a wand
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house plant. You have remote memory of
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blooms, but they're distant. After
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some kissing and gropes, I sent Ennis
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back up the gondola to his room, and
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I went back to mine, feeling humid
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and relieved. It hadn't gone further. There
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was no plan to reconnect, and that was fine.
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I had a kissy souvenir from a fantasy
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town. Tomorrow Ennis would return
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to his New England city. I'd be back
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at my house, sending postcards to my kids,
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slightly flushed but still respecting
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myself. Early the
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next morning, Enis texted.
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You should be in the bed next
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to me right now. My
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hands slipped under your butt a
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longer day, New Mole.
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My first thought was, I'm going to have to put a pass
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code on this phone. My second was
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how nice. I was surprised that over
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the next several days, Enis kept texting,
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I want to see you, he wrote. He wanted
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to know my schedule, my upcoming coordinates.
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We talked on the phone, sometimes for
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hours. He told me he was dating
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here and there, that it was good, but not great.
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He was looking for a serious relationship.
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We acknowledged that we didn't seem like a practical
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pairing. We lived far apart,
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we both had kids. Still, he told
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me he was interested. I was age
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appropriate, smart, he liked my
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body type. We laughed
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and pulled out the calendars. We had
12:29
one clear spot in a few weeks. I
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like Boulder, said Ennis, I'll come visit you there.
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Then I got nervous. I'd
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forgotten how to be sexy. I was
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still so raw from the split. Who wanted
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a girlfriend who cried every day? I
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had enough going on. I didn't
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really think I could handle this physically or
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emotionally. Plus, who was
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this guy really? I knew he'd been
12:52
on Tinder for years. I worried he
12:54
was a walking peatree dish of sexually transmitted
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diseases. I called my friend who
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introduced us, and asked him, is he really
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a good guy from a girl perspective.
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He said he's great. He's
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looking for something real. He has no
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red flags, no red
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flags. On
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top of all my other agitation, I
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now felt a surging river of carnality
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running through me. I listened to many
13:20
podcasts, so many, often
13:22
at three and four in the morning. I liked
13:25
the ones about Eleanor of Aquitaine and the
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medieval drafting of the Charter of the Forests
13:29
because they sometimes put me to sleep.
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Eleanor of Aquitaine was the most powerful
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woman in the twelfth century Europe.
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There were also lots about sex, how
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to do this and that, and focus on your
13:39
breathing and avoid STDs. Hey
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everyone, thanks for listening to Sex with Emily at
13:43
today's show, bringing you a variety of sex
13:46
and relationship tips. The right way to use your
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foe. He was all part of my crash course and the
13:50
unmarried sex. But it sometimes
13:52
felt petrifying. I
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walked around in a whiplash of fear,
13:57
insecurities, arousal distress.
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It all felt foreign. The arousal
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piece was astounding, like acquiring
14:05
a lost sense or installing
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cochlear implants in some unus usual
14:09
body parts. I thought about sex
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nearly all the time. I could detect
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subtle vibrations in rooms full
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of people, in the supermarket, in
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radio newscasts. An
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underground current had become sensate
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to me. It was thrumming in
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me and around me. I wondered
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if certain people could see it, like a
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curse or perhaps a blessing. I
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wasn't sure which. Lisa
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hauled me off to a party. Some
14:36
old friends were there. Wow, you look
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different, said my married friend Greg,
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approvingly. He looked right past
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the sunken eyes and bulging ribs.
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He sensed something like we had a secret
14:47
handshake. Ennis
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was flying out to visit soon. We'd
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been discussing logistics. He wanted
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me to line up a guitar he could borrow. He
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reported that he'd been given the all clear
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on a round of STD tests. I'd asked
15:02
him to get good timing. I texted
15:05
I was trying to stock the house with food. He'd
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like, Do you drink coffee? I asked,
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I had no idea chocolate, dark
15:12
or light. I knew nothing about him.
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Boxers are briefs. I continued texting
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boxer briefs. He wrote, write combo
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of loose and snug, how
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amazing I thought. I told
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him about how weird and hard it had been
15:26
to say goodbye to my husband. He asked
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what I wanted in the new post marriage
15:30
me, and while I was primarily
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thinking sex, sex, sex, I
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didn't say it a renewed interest
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and faith in men. I said, maybe
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you will help me with that. I already
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have, he said. I
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didn't hear anything from him the night before
15:47
his flight, but in the morning he texted that
15:49
he just barely made the plane. He was on
15:51
the tarmac. A song popped up
15:53
in the text chain love Shack.
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I smiled and sent him a song back, like
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a virgin Glee
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cast version. I
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bought more groceries. I changed
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into a blue and white dress, some freshly
16:15
purchased under things. I tied my
16:17
hair up in a bun I
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stopped by Lisa's for a quick pep talk
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and to borrow her Honda, which has air conditioning.
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I recorded us on my phone and
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I'm a little bit of a wreck.
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But you really look great.
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You look like Audrey Hepburn. You've lost like four
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hundred pounds, No, you've lost about
16:35
you've lost some weight, and you have these gorgeously
16:37
sculpted arms, and you're
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wearing this kind of Audrey Heppern little sun dress
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thing, and your hair is pulled back in
16:43
this dark little bob and you look like
16:46
a movie star from nineteen sixty
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eight.
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I chose to gloss over the problematic
16:52
association of extreme thinness
16:55
with desirability. Just take the compliment,
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because we both knew I needed it. Plus
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I'd spend some time on that bun. Thank
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you.
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You're welcome.
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So why am I so nervous?
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Oh,
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there's the fact that you have been coupled
17:11
for thirty three years
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and that you're about to embark
17:16
on full frontal vulnerable living
17:18
at age fifty, which is
17:21
kind of a big deal. Scary, really scary.
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With that, she hugged me and handed
17:26
over her keys. Ennis
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arrived curbside in a black T shirt
17:31
and black jeans, a large stuffel
17:33
sunglasses. He was going for the nerd
17:35
rockstar look. Maybe he was nervous too.
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We kissed for a bit, both smiling and
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the glaring flat midday sun.
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Ennis asked if he could drive, so I handed
17:45
him the keys. I just like to drive,
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he said. Back
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at the love Shack, he tried out the guitar He
17:54
Strummshi, Dylan and petty. His
17:56
voice wasn't great, but he crooned earnestly,
17:59
soulfully. I looked around and
18:01
marveled. Here was a living, flesh
18:03
covered man, one who had gray eyes
18:06
and well developed quadruceps, singing
18:08
to me in a borrowed house in Colorado.
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He was adorable. He'd fallen
18:13
from the sky, and he wanted to touch
18:15
me. He put the guitar down.
18:18
I straddled him on the couch. We
18:20
made out, and then moved to the bedroom.
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I was ready, apparently readier
18:26
than he was. He cleared his throat
18:28
and said, all in good time. I
18:30
realized that meant he didn't have an erection.
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Oh, he went on. I guess
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I'm nervous. We focused on
18:37
me, and that was very nice. He
18:40
seemed tired, he'd had a long day. We
18:43
can get some food, I said. I got
18:45
dressed in another outfit I'd thought about,
18:47
long shorts and a pattern tank. We
18:50
pulled some tawny bikes out of the garage
18:52
and rode to the farmer's market. We picnicked
18:54
on a blanket, our legs touching. Sometimes
18:57
we held hands. This felt miraculous,
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I wondered, if I would see people I knew, people
19:03
who didn't know I no longer had a
19:05
husband. I wondered what they would
19:07
think. Just then, a kid
19:09
I knew, a friend of my son's, wheeled
19:11
past us on a skateboard and waved.
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Okay, that was weird. It was all
19:15
weird. Every damn thing was
19:18
weird. We hiked the next
19:20
morning, came home, showered, and
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fooled around some more, but his body
19:24
was still not cooperating. Maybe
19:26
it was the altitude. More likely,
19:29
I worried it was something about me. We
19:31
grilled some steaks and sat on the porch. We
19:34
monkeyed with a portable speaker and finally
19:36
got it to connect to his phone. You are
19:38
now paired, enjoy I
19:41
smiled and poured the wine. I
19:43
wasn't feeling very paired, but I was
19:45
hopeful. Later that
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night, he told me what to wear, a black
19:49
teddy or tank. Hmm, I
19:52
said, my mind going over what I had. I
19:54
have a black T shirt. He nodded. I
19:56
didn't really mind him telling me what to wear. I
19:58
found it sexy that someone even cared what
20:00
I wore. I wasn't surprised when he
20:02
fitted me with a blindfold. He'd hinted
20:05
about his proclivities, and I was curious
20:07
enough to give it a go. He led
20:09
me into the bedroom. He asked me
20:11
to put my hands on the wall and bend
20:13
over. He said it in a mock gruff
20:16
way. I giggled, it's
20:18
not funny, he said. I bit my lip
20:21
listener. Some spanking ensued. He
20:23
turned me around and attached something
20:25
to my nipples under the shirt so that
20:28
they stuck out against the fabric clamps.
20:31
I hadn't known they were a thing. I pictured
20:33
the rigid plastic ones I used to reseal
20:35
the kid's peta chips. Here's the
20:38
safe word, he said, and he whispered
20:40
it to my ear below the blindfold. Elastic.
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It was his last name. I couldn't
20:45
see anything, but I could imagine how things
20:47
were coming out of his stuffel bag Mary
20:49
Poppin' style. When he put me on the
20:51
bed, there were ropes already on it.
20:54
He attached three of my limbs to them expertly.
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I could hear him undressing. Then he
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straddled me, mashing my breasts,
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squeezing them around the peta chip clamps.
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My bottom stung. This is a lot
21:06
of effort to get an erection, I thought I
21:09
heard the buzzing of a vibrator, and
21:11
he pressed it against my pubic bone. I
21:13
tried to shimmy into a better position, but
21:16
he was handling it like a pestle. Meanwhile,
21:18
the clamps were feeling like the jaws of death.
21:21
At some point I coughed out the safe
21:23
word in a nice sort of way, with
21:25
an umb and a question mark at the end. Ennis
21:28
adjusted the paraphernalia around my
21:30
face. Hey, can you just
21:32
use that thing a little more lightly and a little
21:34
bit lower? I nodded and smiled
21:37
so he'd know we could start up again. He
21:39
sighed, he rolled off me. The
21:43
next day, after hiking, I showered
21:45
and dried off in the bathroom. Ennis
21:47
came in and hugged me from behind. He
21:50
kissed my shoulder. We looked in
21:52
the mirror. Did I do that? He said,
21:54
seeing the bruises on my breasts. Sorry,
21:57
how's your bottom? He looked, ooh,
21:59
also bruised. So why did
22:02
you tie up only three of my limbs? I asked,
22:04
so I could flip you over? He said. Ennis
22:07
was clever, but not perhaps adept.
22:10
I was willing to test the idea of
22:12
surrender to be told what to do at
22:14
a time in my life when I had no idea what
22:16
to do. This was supposed to be a chance
22:19
to learn a few things. But what had
22:21
happened the night before wasn't what all
22:23
the podcasts had prepared me for. Good
22:25
sex they all said was supposed to
22:27
be about communication. He didn't
22:30
really expect me to just be quiet, did he. I
22:32
was willing to try again. We could learn together.
22:35
His intentions were good. I thought he'd
22:37
come out here for six days to try us
22:39
out. I wanted to believe he
22:41
wanted a real connection too. We
22:44
worked some on our laptops, talked
22:46
a little, made snacks, held
22:48
each other At random times during the
22:51
day. I told him I was taking gummy
22:53
bears to help me sleep. Oh my god,
22:55
this is Colorado. He said, forget
22:57
sleep. Let's go get something fine and ephick.
23:00
So we did o g Sin. It
23:03
smelled skunky and exciting.
23:06
That night, we went out to hear some music
23:08
with friends. They found him funny and
23:10
smart. He was affectionate, his
23:12
hands roaming gently over me, his
23:15
body swayed against mine. I
23:17
found the full physical contact delirious.
23:20
My husband had never been touchy this way,
23:22
and so I never was either, but I
23:25
was liking it. Over the ensuing
23:27
days, we held hands all over town,
23:29
and hugged in the kitchen and threw our legs
23:32
across each other on the couch. We
23:34
were great talkers about everything,
23:36
except about the fact that we were no longer
23:39
making attempts in the bedroom. Still,
23:41
it was novel and kind of wondrous to have
23:44
a strange man lying there next to me. Sometimes
23:46
I just look at him, and I even taped
23:49
him snoring. During
23:52
the day. He would look at me, fully,
23:55
smiling, pouting, playful,
23:58
a man boy in soft t shirts
24:00
that smelled like grapes. He had advice,
24:03
insights, a swerving way
24:05
of laughing uproariously and then immediately
24:07
being very serious. All eyes on
24:09
me all the time. He offered
24:12
an unfamiliar zone of warmth,
24:14
attention, and disclosure. For
24:16
many of our conversations, he said, sure
24:19
I could record them. He was game to help
24:21
me document and make sense of this completely
24:23
upended time in my life. So
24:25
we'd sit or lie around talking for hours,
24:28
the tape recorder resting on someone's chest.
24:31
This is where we re read our first texts
24:33
to each other. What are your biggest
24:35
fears?
24:37
Oh my god, my biggest
24:40
biggest fears, Well.
24:42
Your big ones are your small ones. How
24:44
about a combination combination
24:46
plate.
24:47
I think my biggest fear is, like, is not mattering.
24:50
I like to matter. I
24:52
want to have an impacting
24:54
the world. I want to have
24:57
a part of people
24:59
in my life. I want to be part of their lives.
25:01
I want to Yeah, I want
25:04
to
25:06
create the world more towards my vision
25:08
of it. Don't matter.
25:11
He was such a hard charging white guy,
25:13
like my husband, in ways I found both
25:15
compelling and dispariting. Women
25:18
generally don't say things like that we
25:20
are used to not feeling like we matter
25:22
to the world stage, or that we're entitled
25:25
to bend it so easily to our liking,
25:27
and it's a given that we are part of our loved
25:30
ones' lives. That's our main currency.
25:32
Ennis asked me about my fears. There
25:35
was so much I could have said, of growing
25:37
old and invisible, of
25:39
losing myself and not finding her again,
25:43
of dying single and broke like my mother
25:45
did. But what I said was also real.
25:48
I've been thinking a lot about intimacy because
25:51
I think that's one of the things that
25:55
I feel confused
25:58
about and sort of potentially
26:01
sad about you know, I feel like I
26:04
wonder if I have trouble accessing
26:06
it. You
26:11
know, I think it's that's one of these sort of legacies
26:14
of a broken marriage is that you
26:16
know, you quarterback all the things that you
26:19
did wrong or that you're not good at, and
26:21
I sort of sometimes wonder, you
26:24
know, is this my issue? Like do I have a hard
26:26
time with intimacy? I don't
26:28
know. It
26:31
was strange to be talking to him about this, but
26:33
we were lurching towards some kind of intimacy
26:36
in our way, so it was also not strange
26:38
at all. He was here, I was
26:40
here. We were both cloaking
26:42
and uncloaking our vulnerabilities
26:44
all week. I was confused.
26:47
During the day, we were nusy and affectionate.
26:50
But Ennis was supposed to be my prayapic
26:52
adonis. He was supposed to ravish
26:54
me and relish me and help me regain
26:56
my sexual confidence. He'd signed
26:59
up with Brio for that exact
27:01
job description. I was disappointed
27:03
we'd failed to connect in an important way,
27:06
and I was rattled that it must somehow be my
27:08
fault. I now felt worse
27:10
about myself, my attractiveness,
27:12
and my future romantic prospects.
27:15
I'd read about men's testosterone levels
27:17
being highest when their partners are ovulating.
27:19
I was two weeks out from that, so maybe
27:22
I was emitting some kind of pheromonal weed
27:24
whacker, or maybe women over fifty
27:26
really are unfuckable, or
27:29
maybe just I was On
27:31
night six, our last night. We
27:33
were drinking wine and smoking a little
27:36
on the porch. I was nervous, but
27:38
I asked if we could talk about our weird week
27:40
together. He said all right, and he didn't
27:42
look happy, just resigned. He
27:45
said he wasn't feeling the chemistry even
27:47
though we'd had it, and tell your ride. He
27:49
paused, and then explained a whole lot
27:51
more. He told me he usually dated
27:54
women he met online, where he could put
27:56
in his profile that he likes to be dominant
27:58
and was looking for women who were submissive. He
28:00
said I was different from the women he met online.
28:04
I was quiet for a moment before saying something
28:06
that really stuck with me. I
28:08
think I need to learn how to be with a woman
28:11
I really want to be with. There
28:13
was something else I wanted clarity on something
28:16
else, getting to the crux of why I was starting
28:18
to feel so bad about this week long date.
28:20
I was trying to keep the tone light because I
28:22
wanted to keep talking, and the tape recorder
28:25
was sometimes on sometimes not are
28:28
you? Are you? Do you try to sort of date one person at
28:30
a time or not necessarily?
28:38
I generally
28:42
the way that I've been is
28:44
two modes. They're very different modes.
28:47
There is date five
28:50
or six people at a time, and
28:53
then there is date one person, Like.
28:56
When you find one of those five or six that kind of
28:59
clicks. Yes, right am?
29:02
I allowed to ask him when you're having play right now?
29:04
So let me just let me just this is there's
29:07
two things that are going on. There's the reality
29:09
of you and me. Yeah, and we're both
29:11
kind of smiling because this is kind of this
29:15
is real, Like here we are, we're really and
29:18
we're also recording this. So this is like, so
29:23
there are like between
29:26
four and six other women, depending
29:29
on how you define it. Yeah,
29:31
so the person you invited out here, it's
29:33
seen. It's
29:36
dating a lot of women right now. That's
29:40
how I am right now.
29:45
That doesn't surprise me. Okay, although
29:50
that is a lot, Yeah
29:52
it is. I
29:55
had to really process this. I
29:57
was trying to breathe. I flashed
30:00
to a scene in Spike John's film Her
30:02
when the main character, a man who has
30:05
fallen for a honey voiced operating system
30:07
named Samantha, learns that she
30:09
is simultaneously conversing with eighty
30:12
three hundred and sixteen others and has
30:14
declared love to quite a number of
30:16
them.
30:17
How many others?
30:19
Six hundred fretty one?
30:23
What?
30:25
What are you talking about? That's insane.
30:29
We talked about it more later with the tape
30:31
recorder off. I asked him how
30:33
he kept track of all the women. He
30:35
told me he kept notes in the back of a notebook
30:38
he carries around with names of their kids
30:40
and stuff like that. Do they know about
30:42
each other? I asked him, Well,
30:44
it's like what I told you. He said, I say,
30:47
yeah, I'm dating true
30:49
ish. Ennis did say that, But
30:51
he'd also told me he was looking for a serious relationship,
30:54
didn't he. Then I
30:56
asked him what happens if he really likes one
30:58
of them? Does he see more of her? He
31:00
seemed to be appreciating my interest. This
31:03
wasn't something he got to talk about. Yes,
31:05
he said. He told me that sometimes one
31:07
can be sort of like a queen bee. The
31:10
rest are the harem. He
31:12
really used this word harem. He
31:14
squeezed my knee. He was thoroughly
31:17
enjoying himself. But they don't
31:19
know they're in a harem, I asked, not
31:22
exactly. He said, we
31:24
brought in the dishes. The walls
31:26
were undulating. I wasn't sure if
31:28
it was the weed or the conversation. I
31:31
needed to be outside. We
31:33
went for a late night stroll. I asked
31:35
him if he had a queen bee right now. Maybe
31:38
he was feeling guilty about being here with me and
31:40
that's why he couldn't exactly hear,
31:43
he interrupted me. Nope, he
31:45
said, no queen bee. He said
31:47
he'd like a queen bee. He reached for
31:49
my hand as usual and held
31:51
it. You're turning me into a pothead,
31:53
he said, so. Wait, I said,
31:56
When you take my hand, I feel
31:58
a jolt of electricity, but you feel
32:01
nothing like we're having basically
32:03
a fifth grade romance where a boy and
32:05
a girl hold hands and there's no hormones
32:07
and that's it. No, he said,
32:10
it's not like that. I do feel
32:12
something. It's hard to explain. Everything
32:15
is dynamic, and inputs change,
32:18
and who knows what's around the bend for
32:20
us or anyone else I really like
32:22
you. Maybe middle aged sex
32:24
is just complicated. That much
32:27
was becoming obvious. Still,
32:29
I couldn't get over the fact that this was a man
32:31
with a system's fetish who screws five
32:34
women at once. He was a freaking alpha
32:36
chimp or a murder hornet or something
32:38
in between, and yet he couldn't get
32:40
a heart on for me. My brain
32:42
was shouting one word at me, reject,
32:46
marital reject, sexual
32:48
reject boner killer.
32:51
We walked back to the porch. The
32:54
Siri in the speaker sensed my phone
32:56
and pierced the night.
32:58
You are now paired.
33:00
Enjoy
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