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When you exit something, you shut

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the door. You don't

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stand in the doorway. You leave it

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behind. And too many people, there's things

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that God did in your life in

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2023 that were amazing and wonderful, but

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God wants to do a new thing,

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and He's asking you to let go

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of the old thing. Welcome

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to Conversations. I'm John joined by

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my lovely wife, Lisa, and I

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hope everybody had a great Christmas

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Day yesterday. I hope it was

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especially good in regard to family.

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That's the most important, I think,

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thing that we should experience on

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Christmas beside the most, the most

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important thing, celebrating the birth of

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our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

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All right, so I am so excited about

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what we're going to talk about. I think

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talk about an end of the year subject.

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This is it. It is perfect.

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It is perfect. And before we

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get into it, we got to

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today we're going to read, I love

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this name, Jonesy Mommy. Okay, ready? This

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is what Jonesy Mommy says. I am

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so thankful I found this podcast. I

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feel like I have found my spiritual

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mentors. That's

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so beautiful, who will share open,

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honest, biblical, and current content. I

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only wish I could be there

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in person. We do too. Thank

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you so much for taking the time to

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minister to us. God bless. Hey, if

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we get a building we might be able to

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do some in-person ones. That would be so much

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fun. Which, yes. That would be amazing. So what

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are we talking about today? Oh, today

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we are talking about exits and entrances.

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So we're exiting 2023 and we're entering

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2024. It's true. There's

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not roads and wilderness. So

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God is saying, I'm going to actually turn

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what was formerly a place that you could

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not navigate in your life. I'm going to

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turn it into some pathways for you. There's

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something else I really want to point out, babe. You know, he

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says, don't remember the form of things. Don't consider the things of

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old. Okay, now, if

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you're looking back because

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he makes the statement, behold, I will do a new thing.

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Now, it's just, shall spring forth, shall you not know it?

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If your eyes are on the back

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past, you're not going to be

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able to behold and recognize what he's doing

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new. And I think a lot

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of people don't perceive what

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God is about to do in their life

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because they're so busy hanging on and looking

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at the past. And so he said, it's

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going to, you may even look in it. First,

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it looks like a wilderness. It looks like a desert. But he

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says, I'm going to make a river there. I'm going to make,

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I'm going to make, I'm going

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to make roads there and rivers there. And that speaks of

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pathways. That speaks of prosperity,

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prosperity in the sense of you're going

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to benefit people's lives. Provision

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in a place that looked barren. Yes.

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It looked barren. You're sitting there going, how in the world is

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this going to happen? But

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yet God says, I'm going

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to make roads in that desert. And

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so it is so important that we not

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just look at what did God do through

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my life? That's what Paul meant when he

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said, I forget those things which are behind.

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And I

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look forward and I press forward toward

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the mark of the high calling of

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God. But

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I want people to have expectations because if

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you live in the past, you know, oh,

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I remember when this was going on. I

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remember when that was like, if you live in the

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past, you will not have an expectation or a hope

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in the future. If you live even like

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thinking about the good things in the past, you'll live in the

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past. You will not lean into the future. And

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then it talks about exit with excellence.

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Okay. Luke 16, 12 says, and if

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you are not faithful with other people's

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things, why should you be... trusted with

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things of your own. So

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I think what he's saying here is like

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you, you know, like there's so many of

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us that, you know, when we're young, we're

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like, okay, we want our thing. But

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God was like, let's see what you

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do with their thing. Let's see if

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you're a faithful steward with somebody else's

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time, with somebody else's

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organization, because how we serve somebody

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else is actually how God's going

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to set us up to go

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into our next season. And that's how

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we're going to serve when we're entrusted with something that

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is our own. And I

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think almost there's

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very few exceptions. There are very few

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exceptions, but God will always test every

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single person, whether you're in the marketplace,

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ministry, as far as vocational ministry,

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healthcare, whatever, he'll always, there'll

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be a season where you'll be, you'll

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be serving with some, is somebody else's

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vision, somebody else's business, somebody else's property.

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How you handle that is the way

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you're going to handle what you come

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into when you get your own, if you're

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not faithful with theirs, you're not going

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to be faithful with your own. If you are

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faithful with theirs, you are going to be

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faithful with that, which is your own, and

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a lot of times people don't get that

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real sweet touch of God when they enter

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into that, which is their own, because they

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didn't handle what was somebody else's with excellence.

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They didn't do it with all their heart.

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And so, you know, the way you

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exit a season is the way you're going to enter

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into the next season. You know, let's just look at

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this. Let let's just make it really, really clear.

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If somebody comes out of a marriage and

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they didn't handle that well, they're bitter,

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they're mad, they're angry, they want to

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get revenge, and then they

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find somebody and they enter into another

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marriage, they're going to carry everything into

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that you've got, you've got

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to go out with joy. The Bible says, and

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be led forth with peace. You say, but wait

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a minute, where I exited it, it was chaotic,

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but did you have peace in your heart? Did

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God release you or did you release

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yourself? You know, I think there's a lot

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of times. the

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story because she was trapped in the

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past and she repeated it, repeated it,

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and they say that when you repeat

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a story, you don't actually remember how

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it happened. You remember how

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it felt when it happened, and

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you only remember how it was

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repeated the last time, not it

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was accuracy. You know, Lisa, there's

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a friend of mine. He's a pastor and

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he is a pastor of a great church

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and he's a friend of ours, I should

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say. You know,

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after 12 years of his wife having

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affairs, you know, he finally realized

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God was releasing him and,

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you know, he was single and he said,

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John, I'm going to counseling because I realized

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I was in a very unhealthy marriage and

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I knew before I could enter into a new marriage,

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I had to get healthy. And

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actually he had pastor friends of

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his that introduced him, introduced him

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to a wonderful woman. She

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had never been married. He was in her early thirties and

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they started dating and he

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was wise enough to recognize I

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can't embrace this new relationship because I've

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got things to address with my old

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one. And he actually broke

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off the relationship. He liked her a lot

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too. And he said, you are, you are

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too wonderful. You are too good of

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a person and I'm a mess and I

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need to, I need to, I need to heal. I

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need to heal. So I'm breaking the relationship. Please I

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release you. You know what she did? She

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knew she was called to make me his wife. She

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prayed for him for four

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months, four months. She went through the entire Bible

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and prayed a prayer for him out of every

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chapter. He then

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four months later came back and said, I feel

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like I'm at the place where I can try this.

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If you're open to it, I know I might've broken your

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heart by what I did four months ago. She said, I'm

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ready and now they're married

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today and God just set that thing up

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beautifully. And so, you

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know, he knew when the time was

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to embrace, he had to

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let go, let go of unhealthy

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patterns and I have. watch

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people come out of marriages like that

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and go right into another one and

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bring all the unhealthy aspects into it

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without getting healed. So knowing the time

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to exit, knowing the time to enter

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is extremely important. And Jesus said we

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could know it if we listened to

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the spirit of the living God. He's

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the one that leads us. Yeah. So

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some of you out there, you may be feeling

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like 2023 was a horrible year and you're like,

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I'm so glad to exit it. I

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hope you hear what John is saying.

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There are certain things that may have

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been done to you, may have happened,

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disappointment, discouragement, wounding, rejection, whatever it is.

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We want to challenge you to lay

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those things down and just

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let that door close. I always love that the

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new year can feel like a reset. It

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can just be like the reset of God's

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mercy, of God's hope and

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set your mind on, okay, you know

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what? Instead of thinking this

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was done to me, I'm going to think

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what do I need to do? Where did

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I contribute to that? And there is a

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powerful, powerful book by Dr. Henry Cloud. It

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is called Necessary Endings. And

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we'd recommend that highly. John,

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you want to pray for them and close

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them down? Yeah. I'm so glad you asked me because

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I was feeling that. I just want to

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pray that you would close the previous season

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correctly, that you would not leave prematurely. So

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can we all pray as we enter into

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this new year? Of Heavenly Father, we just

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bring this before you. And I know there

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are precious men and women that are listening

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right now. And Lord, there are

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aspects of what we said that literally leapt in

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their spirit, holy Spirit of God. These

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people are so tender and dear to you. You

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love them so deeply and you want to see

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them successful in this next season, but

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you also want to see them exit the previous season

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at the right time and in the right way. And

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so we are asking today, Lord God, that you

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would give them eyes to see, ears to hear,

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and a heart to perceive and understand. When

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the right time is to exit the season

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they're in, how to do it, Lord,

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with excellence and love. Lord

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how to enter into that next

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season. I pray that no one

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listening would hold on to unhealthy

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old ways or even old ways

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that have run their course, but

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that they would learn to let

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go in anticipation in faith, Lord

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God, knowing that you are bringing

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them into a new season which

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is going to produce more fruit

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for the kingdom of God. And

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we thank you for this and

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we commit every person into your

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care in Jesus mighty name. Amen.

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Amen. You're closing us out. Oh,

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I am. Listen, thanks for

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