These next guests have spent their adult lives building and challenging each other to reach top degree black belt levels in various martial arts including Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Scott and Jason discuss what it takes to achieve these levels but also how their unique teaching styles in their respected schools have helped men and women in this community become more confident and skilled. They live on the edge of their abilities and outside comfort zones to stay life long learners but quick to teach each other and others who are willing to walk the road to mastery.