A chat with Ross McCulloch from Third Sector Lab - the guy that knows what we need to know about digital. We chat digital transformation (what even is it?), digital culture, Digital Trustees and Digital Leaders (the latter through SCVO), the role of infrastructure organisations in supporting charities to get better at and scale up digital transformation. Ross gets ranty about on-line forms, I talk myself into a hole of nonsense and there's an unplanned critique of funding. Enjoy!