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Welcome to Crawl Space. I'm Tim

0:36

here today with Lance. Lance, how are you today?

0:38

I have pepper spray. Get away from me! Tim,

0:41

that was not me. That was our guest today. And

0:44

that makes me very happy that we're able to

0:46

play that little preview of what the listeners are going

0:48

to hear in this conversation. I

0:51

do not have pepper spray on me, Tim. And if you were

0:53

to come close to me, I would not use it on

0:55

you. As you know, I would never do

0:57

that. But before we get to all

0:59

of this, it's coming fast and furious. How are you? I'm

1:02

doing well. Thanks a lot. Yeah, this

1:04

is a fun conversation. And our

1:07

guest, DamselNinjaNancy,

1:09

we met at CrimeCon just last

1:12

month. If you want to check

1:14

out what DamselNinjaNancy does,

1:16

you can check out her website. It is DamselNinjaNancy.com.

1:20

And Lance, we have a great conversation with

1:22

Nancy McAlla Abercrombie.

1:25

And it's really mostly about self-defense.

1:28

It's a really great opportunity

1:30

to look at somebody's life.

1:33

As she says, she wanted to do something that

1:35

was greater than herself. And she was always a true

1:37

crime consumer. A lot of people might

1:39

remember her if they went to CrimeCon

1:41

because you hear that stun gun that

1:43

goes off and that's her. And she wanted to

1:45

do something that was bigger than herself.

1:48

And she wanted to contribute to the true crime community.

1:50

And she's doing so by educating people

1:52

on how to protect themselves, making sure that they're

1:54

equipped with the right defense products

1:57

that are going to be safe for them, but effective if

1:59

they need to.

1:59

use them. So really cool conversation

2:02

coming up. And also, Tim, I wanted to make a

2:04

correction. You and I came into this

2:06

thing like babes in the woods. We

2:08

were calling them tasers. We were calling

2:10

them stun guns. So I just want to

2:13

point out in the beginning part of this interview,

2:15

you and I are using the word taser and she corrects

2:17

us later on that she does not sell tasers.

2:20

They're different from stun guns. So you'll hear

2:22

in real time, folks, a teachable moment.

2:24

Yeah, no, I'm happy to learn that difference. I

2:26

did not know that. I hope our listeners

2:29

can learn something too. And if they

2:32

would like to get a product to help protect

2:34

themselves, they can do so through Nancy's

2:36

link. And you can follow Nancy pretty

2:38

much everywhere on social media at

2:41

damsel ninja Nancy. And she

2:43

is a part of the company damsel

2:46

in defense. So check them out as well.

2:48

A lot of education there and a lot of products

2:50

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Nancy. How are you today?

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I am excellent. Thank you

5:28

so much for having me.

5:30

Absolutely. I think just

5:32

being in your presence is an amazing

5:35

experience, especially when we are

5:37

at CrimeCon and you just

5:39

get this sense of reassurance. When

5:42

you're at CrimeCon and you hear that

5:44

taser crack and you know that you're

5:46

in the building and everything will be okay no

5:48

matter what. So thank you for doing

5:50

that and thank you for joining us. Tell people

5:52

about yourself.

5:53

Well, thank you so much. I've been

5:55

a safety educator for nine years.

5:58

My emphasis is... in abduction

6:01

prevention. I do not want you

6:03

to become a subject of your favorite

6:05

podcast. We need you

6:07

as an armchair detective. There are over 538,000 people

6:10

that go missing a year in America.

6:15

If we're really realistic,

6:17

you guys could do 50 more

6:19

years of doing a podcast

6:22

literally almost every day and not

6:25

cover anything that's brand new. I

6:27

mean, there's so many cases out

6:29

there that need attention, that

6:31

need to be brought to light. My focus

6:34

is on our listeners'

6:36

safety. I do not want you

6:39

to put yourself in a situation that

6:41

something could happen

6:42

to you. That's actually gone through my head from time

6:44

to time when you hear the statistics of people who

6:46

have gone missing and their cases

6:48

are unsolved. And I've

6:51

wanted to, but I decide against doing

6:54

what you just said. Like if we were to take one

6:56

of these and cover it each day, how

6:58

long would that take? And I'll start to do it and

7:01

I get too bogged down by like

7:03

the mass, mass amount of people.

7:06

I think it's great that you are

7:08

providing a service that will help them in a

7:10

real world way to protect

7:12

themselves.

7:12

You know, 4,400 bodies a year are recovered that

7:18

are not immediately identified.

7:21

And so for me, that number

7:24

is so huge and that's where my heart lies.

7:26

My husband and I are part of a team that

7:29

goes out in searches. We look for Jason

7:31

Landry. He disappeared here in

7:33

Texas three years ago, but I met their

7:36

family at True Crime podcast

7:38

in Texas this year and their

7:40

story just touched me and

7:43

the hope that they still have that

7:46

at some point they'll have a part

7:48

of him back. It just really spoke to

7:50

me and spoke to my soul. So my husband,

7:53

I dragged my husband, I don't even know if he knew where

7:56

we were going and I dragged him down

7:58

and we became part of the team. of the search

8:01

team and that gave me a whole

8:03

different side of it that I'd never

8:05

experienced before. If you've never

8:07

done that, I totally suggest it. It will really change

8:09

your life.

8:10

In what ways before I ask you a different

8:12

question there, which way would it change our lives?

8:15

I had always thought about the victim, but

8:18

I'd never thought about the family as

8:20

much, about what they went through, the

8:22

different stages of grief because at this point

8:24

Jason's been gone for three years and

8:26

unfortunately we may be looking

8:29

for remains. But

8:31

he could still be out there. We don't know. We don't

8:33

know. I don't want to take hope away from anybody. But I never thought

8:36

about the people who get involved in these

8:39

events, their hearts.

8:42

It just really changed me in how

8:44

I look at the missing and how I look

8:46

at the people that are out there searching for them

8:48

and their reasons. They want to be

8:50

a part of something bigger than themselves and

8:53

to give back to the communities that they live

8:55

in or give back to these people and give them

8:57

hope. To me, that's so beautiful.

9:00

That just really talks about the souls of

9:02

people that we don't hear a lot about anymore,

9:04

the goodness that lie in people that

9:07

sometimes we forget about because of the

9:09

world that we have chosen to live in and the true

9:11

crime world. We forget there's still people

9:13

out there that are doing just amazing

9:17

work and they're not getting paid

9:19

for it. It's simply volunteering

9:21

their time and wanting to be an answer

9:23

for someone. Isn't

9:24

that amazing? This isn't a question so

9:26

much as just an observation and maybe to get your opinion.

9:29

Isn't it amazing that from your perspective,

9:31

you're starting off at the very front

9:34

of what could be a disappearance?

9:36

You're trying to prevent it. By going

9:38

on these searches and meeting the families several

9:40

steps later, they're in a certain stage of

9:43

grief. Their process is just so

9:45

much later than when you come in. Isn't

9:47

that amazing that you can recognize all of the

9:49

good in people as you go from your first

9:52

step, like step one, all the way

9:54

to a certain family might have just

9:56

resigned themselves to the fact that we're

9:58

going to find the remains of a ... our son

10:01

or our daughter and look at the community that came

10:03

together to help us do that. Like, I think that's

10:05

an amazing thing.

10:05

Well, and I look at it too, it's what can I learn

10:08

from this situation? There's so many people

10:10

go out there that go missing or something

10:12

happens to them and they did absolutely

10:15

nothing wrong. In fact,

10:17

they did everything right. They

10:20

text who they were, you know, their friends

10:22

to tell them what Uber they were getting into and

10:24

they told them the Uber they were getting into. They

10:26

carry their products with them. There are

10:28

so many people that do everything right, but still

10:31

something happens. So on my end

10:33

as a safety educator, I'm looking at it

10:35

as what can I learn from this and what can

10:37

I give to my customers,

10:40

my clients, more information

10:42

and knowledge that they maybe didn't

10:44

have before? What can I do to take

10:46

that step just a little bit further

10:49

to help them ensure that when they're

10:51

out and about doing errands, look at this,

10:53

this, and this, you know what, how can I do

10:55

that for them and just make sure that we're looking

10:58

at it in a different way? I don't

11:00

want anyone to be paranoid. I

11:02

want everyone to be prepared.

11:05

I'm going to be honest with you. When I'm carrying my stun

11:07

gun and I'm walking through the parking

11:09

lot and I set it off just because I

11:11

felt uncomfortable, I also feel

11:13

empowered. I feel like I can really

11:15

stand up for myself or maybe the woman

11:18

who's walking next to me who doesn't have anything

11:20

with her. I could help her. You know, that's a big

11:22

deal now too, not only responsible

11:24

to myself, but maybe

11:26

to my community. Excellent. Wow.

11:28

Well, tell us how you got involved

11:30

in all this work.

11:31

I have a family member that when

11:33

she was a child, her mother

11:36

mentally and physically abused her,

11:38

not my family member. Her father was my

11:40

family member. I was 13 when she was born.

11:43

So when it really came out to me,

11:45

I think I was about 18 when I realized what was

11:48

happening. It was so appalling

11:50

because children in my world

11:53

and how I grew up, my dad was a teacher. They

11:55

were cherished. They were a blessing.

11:58

You took care of them. They relied on And

12:00

the thought that somebody would not care

12:02

for their child in the way that I

12:05

had been raised was so Foreign

12:07

to me and for years I carried

12:10

guilt and trauma Because I

12:12

did not recognize those signs then

12:14

later in life one of my best friends her

12:16

daughter Misrepresented herself online. She

12:19

was 13 and she went out on

12:21

a date with this man

12:23

who basically kidnapped and Drugged

12:26

her for the weekend and raped her for the weekend

12:28

and then took her back to the 7-eleven to drop

12:30

her off I didn't know these things happened.

12:32

I lived in this bubble of Nothing's

12:35

gonna happen here And when these things happened

12:38

and I really put them together and I was started dealing

12:40

with the trauma that I had from both Situations

12:43

I thought I can either be part of the solution

12:45

or I'm part of the problem that I can't stay

12:47

on the fence anymore And I

12:49

have a big huge voice and

12:52

I've never been afraid to use it So

12:54

why not use it on the side

12:56

of good and to help educate

12:59

people who do not know how to get the Education

13:01

and the tips, you know, you read it

13:03

on the internet, but is that really true? You don't

13:06

know so I wanted to be that voice for

13:08

people to go to to be able to share

13:10

with and to help Educate

13:12

that's amazing. And this is a question

13:15

that I was going to ask later on But I think

13:17

this is a good transition to your safe

13:19

heart Program as long as

13:21

we're talking about children and protecting

13:24

families. Can you elaborate on what safe

13:26

hearts is?

13:27

Yes, it's one of my favorite

13:29

programs So the first piece of safe

13:31

hearts is a parent's guide

13:34

and it tells you what to look for Tips

13:37

on your children my favorite chapter

13:39

is chapter 6 and it's about

13:41

play date So it says to you

13:43

Lance. Let's say you invite my child

13:46

over to your house to play I would

13:48

say hey Lance, we practice safe

13:50

hearts in our home. Is it alright if I

13:52

send you an email with some questions? You're

13:55

gonna say yes because you're an upstanding

13:57

person. I always tell people if

13:59

they say no

13:59

then

14:00

you know you don't want your kid to go over there because

14:02

there's something wrong. I would send you an email

14:05

and in chapter six it tells you exactly

14:07

the email to send, what to say

14:09

exactly, and what questions to ask

14:12

such as will there be older siblings

14:15

at the party, will there be a parent in

14:17

the room at all times, you

14:20

know like who else is going to be at the party,

14:22

all these questions that you need to ask anyway

14:24

for your child's safety. Now the last question

14:26

is one I think is brilliant and that what

14:29

safety rule do you have

14:31

in your home that you want me to go over with my

14:33

child before they get there because that's going to kind

14:35

of tell you a little bit about that person because let's

14:37

face it our kids friends we

14:40

don't always know their parents as well

14:42

as when I grew up you

14:44

know I grew up when I started kindergarten

14:46

I went to school with 33 people that

14:49

I graduated high school with

14:51

okay we went to the same building my

14:54

dad was a teacher everybody knew everything

14:57

he could not get away with anything because somebody was always

14:59

tattling on you but nowadays we don't live

15:01

in that kind of world and so

15:03

it's hard to know do you want your

15:05

you want your child to have friends but you also

15:07

want them to have safe friends.

15:09

For the record I've never asked anybody for their

15:11

kids to come over for a play date. So Nancy

15:13

we've met you at

15:18

a couple of the more recent CrimeCon

15:20

events tell us why you attend

15:22

these and what is it that you

15:25

do at these conferences. I do have

15:27

a funny story I'll tell you guys really quick

15:29

the very first time I

15:30

met you guys we were in New

15:32

Orleans and it was my very first CrimeCon.

15:35

I've been a true crime listener

15:37

forever one day I thought I wonder if they

15:39

have vendors at CrimeCon like people could

15:41

come and see my products and we could talk about

15:43

safety I don't have to explain to them why they need

15:45

to carry something to keep themselves safe they

15:48

understand they know what's out there

15:50

so I was so excited they wanted

15:52

me to come the year I asked but I couldn't

15:54

so the first time I came was in New Orleans

15:56

and I came with my sorority sister and we were sitting

15:59

at the bar and you guys walked up to

16:01

talk to another podcaster and

16:03

I was like, oh my god, that's Lance

16:06

and Tim and I'm telling my friend, Ralena,

16:09

and she's like, well, speak to him. And I'm like, oh,

16:11

oh, I can't, I can't. I

16:14

looked over, Tim looked

16:16

at me and smiled and said hi. And I

16:18

was like, hi, like I was like

16:20

five years old or something. I was so

16:23

excited. If you guys ever want to come

16:25

and meet people at CrimeCon is a great

16:28

way to do that. And I want to tell you, Lance

16:30

and Tim are so sweet. When we got there

16:32

this year, we found that your table was

16:34

right next to ours. It was right across the aisle. And

16:36

I was telling my husband how excited I was

16:39

one, because I love you guys. I love

16:41

your show. I listen to it all the time. I make my husband

16:43

listen to it. We're big fans, but I also

16:45

knew that you had a lot of fans and that would

16:47

help me. So it was

16:49

kind of selfish because then I would get to talk to

16:52

your fans while they were waiting in line to talk

16:54

to you. What I did is I set up and I bring

16:56

inventories that can purchase the protection

16:59

products. But the best part of CrimeCon is

17:01

all the stories I get, all the repeat

17:03

customers. And they tell me what they've been doing

17:05

for the year. They tell me how they carry their

17:08

products. They also tell me like a lot of them

17:11

are nurses and doctors

17:13

and psychiatrists. And they tell me

17:16

ways to help my clients

17:18

carry. Like this year, I learned that if

17:20

you stand on the inside of the wrist,

17:23

if you have a stun device and you hit it on the inside

17:25

of the wrist, it acts as if with those

17:27

nerves, it will kind of deaden their arm

17:29

like you hit your funny bone. There was

17:31

a nurse at CrimeCon that told me that. And so

17:34

I love that part because it's such

17:36

an incredible place to exchange

17:39

knowledge. Plus, then I get to talk about

17:41

all these cases that drive me insane. Having

17:44

our table

17:44

so close

17:46

to your booth and your products

17:49

is amazing for us as well because we'll

17:51

be talking to somebody and then you'll be doing

17:54

a demonstration like 15 feet

17:57

away and they don't realize it because their

17:59

backs are to you. And then they hear the Tays happen

18:01

every single time. They jump, they turn

18:04

around, they think something's going down.

18:06

And then we always say, oh, that's Nancy. You should

18:08

go check her out after she's teaching about safety

18:10

and everybody's eyes light up. And they say,

18:12

well, what's that about? And then we say, well, she does these products

18:15

and she has these programs and then they get excited

18:17

and then they go over and talk to you. So it's just that

18:19

sound alone is like so effective

18:22

on multiple levels.

18:24

It is. So it's... Oh,

18:26

hey. That's

18:29

your sound that you're hearing. I

18:31

love that because I teach people to use that

18:34

sound

18:34

because a stun device, you have

18:37

to touch somebody to stun them. But you

18:39

can use that. What a lot of people don't realize is they

18:41

can use that sound to say, stay away

18:43

from me, get away from me. And

18:45

it works on a two or four legged animal.

18:47

To be completely honest with you, I've probably

18:50

sold just as many to use on four

18:52

legged animals when people are out walking.

18:54

Dogs are off leash. They don't know if they're

18:56

friendly or not, but they don't want to hurt them. We're

18:59

from Colorado. We used to live in Colorado and

19:01

I sold a ton of them to people

19:03

who hiked alone, especially women

19:05

who hike alone, because then you're going into

19:07

their territory. I always say

19:10

you're going into the bear or the cougar

19:12

or the wild cat, you know, you're going into

19:14

their living room. They're not coming into yours.

19:16

So you don't really have a right to say

19:18

they should just stay away from you. But with the sound,

19:21

you can make sure that they don't want to come near you.

19:23

And that's what I like about the sound. And so

19:26

that's why you hear it. I work really hard to be respectful

19:28

because I know that that can be a triggering sound,

19:30

but it's so empowering

19:33

to hear this woman's story of what

19:35

has happened to her. And then I put the stun

19:37

device in her hand and she sets it off. It's

19:40

literally sometimes there's a physical

19:42

transformation that she takes that

19:45

is just sometimes so powerful

19:48

for me that I literally tear

19:50

up because I know now that she's going

19:52

to feel that she can now

19:55

go where she was scared to go. Wow.

19:57

Okay. So the stun gun or

19:59

stun. device or taser that's

20:01

one of the more effective tools that

20:04

you sell. I don't

20:05

sell tasers. And let me just educate people

20:07

really quickly because Hollywood's really messed us up.

20:10

A taser shoots out and both

20:12

prongs on the cartridges have to

20:15

enter the body. And then that's where

20:17

the electricity goes together. On a stun

20:19

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20:22

Now on ours, we have a key

20:25

around the wrist that you put

20:27

into the stun device. That way you carry

20:29

it around your wrist. But ours have a flashlight.

20:32

And I'm going to tell you, the flashlight is huge for

20:34

me because then I can go out into the parking

20:36

lot in the dark because I can't always park

20:38

under a light because there's not as many lights and

20:40

parking lots anymore. And everybody wants

20:43

to park under the light, right? That way I can

20:45

see what's happening. So if somebody's coming towards

20:47

me, you can also blind them with your flashlight.

20:49

That's the one thing I love. I can say, hey,

20:51

I see you right there. Criminals want it to be

20:54

easy. They want to grab your purse and

20:56

run or they want to knock

20:58

you down and get all your jewelry. That's what they're

21:00

looking for. So if you're going to fight back, sometimes

21:02

you don't look like the easy target.

21:05

With a stun gun, what you can do is you can get

21:07

away from me.

21:09

And that's legal for you to do. So

21:12

you can scare them away from you. That's

21:14

the distance part of your stun device.

21:17

But if they're coming towards you and you have to stun

21:19

them, you can stun them anywhere you want. That

21:22

electricity is going to rush into their body. If

21:24

you can put it in their neck, think about or on

21:26

their face, think about all those nerves

21:28

that you're going to hit and then scream

21:31

while you're doing it. Oh, it's awesome.

21:33

I haven't done it yet, but I've done it to a cardboard box

21:35

and it was really pretty cool.

21:37

Have

21:39

you ever tried it on yourself, on your arm,

21:41

just to see what it's like?

21:42

So people ask me that all the time. And I'm like, no, I'm not

21:44

stupid. I mean, it's electricity. I know

21:46

how that feels. However, one time my

21:48

stun device was not charged, my husband

21:51

thought, because on ours, we have a little battery

21:53

thing that shows you how much stun is left so

21:55

you know when to charge it. Mine

21:57

was showing dead. And so he thought

21:59

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22:01

me with it and said, you're the damsel in, you didn't

22:03

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22:05

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22:08

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22:10

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22:12

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22:14

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22:16

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What advice do you give people

24:10

who are afraid to use it or think that they're

24:12

going to misuse it and maybe stun themselves

24:15

by accident? You're

24:15

going to live if you've done yourself good advice.

24:18

But with ours, there's silver

24:21

on the end of ours. And

24:23

then the ring is on the bottom. So

24:26

if silver is out, pointed out,

24:29

then you know you have it the right way. If

24:31

you were going to stun yourself, you would have to turn

24:34

it in and the turning it in,

24:36

then put your hand in a not natural

24:38

position. And when I put it in their hands, that's what I

24:40

tell them. And then if you hold the stun gun

24:42

backwards, it feels weird. The

24:45

way ours are made is they have these little

24:47

ridges on the back of them, fit your fingers

24:49

perfectly. And that kind of tells you

24:51

too, that they're in the right position. Now

24:53

ours also have, have the little ring. I

24:55

was telling you about the key to put it into

24:58

around your wrist. If that's taken

25:00

away from you, if you get into a fight that

25:02

comes apart and the bad guy can't stun

25:05

you with your stun gun. We also have a pepper

25:07

spray like that. And then we have a pepper spray

25:09

that also has GPS location in it. We

25:11

have a pepper spray and an alarm because

25:13

kids can't carry pepper

25:15

sprays and stuff like that to school, but they can

25:17

carry an alarm because an alarm is not considered

25:20

a weapon.

25:20

One item at a time, Nancy.

25:24

I just want to know about the legalities

25:27

of the stun devices. Are these legal to

25:29

carry in all States?

25:30

No, you need to look, if you go to my website

25:33

at the bottom, it says state restrictions and

25:35

it'll tell you what States they're restricted in.

25:37

We are working to get the loss changed in

25:39

those States, but let's say you're in Chicago.

25:42

I can't take my stun gun or my

25:44

stun device to Chicago because I

25:46

don't have a permit to carry it there.

25:49

And that's one of the places that you do have to have a permit

25:51

to carry. Another place is Michigan,

25:54

Michigan. You have to have a permit to carry your

25:56

stun device. So it's your job as

25:58

a consumer to look up the.

25:59

state restrictions

26:01

but you can always go to my website

26:03

and at the bottom it says state restrictions and then

26:05

it'll tell you why. So it'll tell you you have to

26:07

buy it from a firearms dealer pepper

26:10

sprays in some states you have to buy from

26:12

a firearms dealer certified

26:14

or something it'll tell you why.

26:15

Yeah it's just looking at Massachusetts

26:17

says all prohibited pepper sprays

26:19

stun devices and the reason is

26:22

firearms dealer permit required.

26:24

So I would need to have a permit

26:27

if I were to go on your website and and purchase

26:29

any of these.

26:30

We wouldn't send them to you because you're a restricted

26:32

state. You'd flip me one at crime con right we

26:35

could do like a back door deal. Never

26:37

going to break

26:40

the law. I want you to be illegal.

26:44

Very responsible. I

26:46

have a damsel sister who's in damsel

26:49

in defense in Chicago in Detroit and

26:51

she's been working on changing the laws there and

26:53

she finally got the pepper spray law changed.

26:55

We weren't able to sell our pepper spray

26:57

there because our pepper spray is military grade

27:00

so it's the hottest on the market you can't buy anything

27:02

hotter. They felt like it was too hot so she had

27:04

to work with the

27:06

lawmakers to get that changed

27:09

and she did. Now she's working on stun devices

27:11

there so if you're in Michigan please write

27:13

your congressman you know and tell

27:15

them that you want that law changed because

27:17

everyone no matter where

27:19

you live no matter what walk of life

27:22

you have the right under

27:24

the Second Amendment to bear arms.

27:27

It doesn't say let's all bear lethal

27:30

arms. The amendment says you

27:33

have the right to bear arms.

27:35

That means that you have the right to protect

27:38

yourself in the way that you

27:40

feel comfortable and the way that you

27:42

feel like you would. It's our constitutional

27:45

right.

27:45

All right tell us more about the pepper

27:47

spray. What is this and

27:49

tell us how it would be used

27:51

and about the legalities of that.

27:52

Pepper spray is a distance

27:55

weapon. You're never going to use

27:57

it up close unless you have

27:59

to. If you're being attacked and all you have is

28:01

pepper spray, use it. You're gonna get it on you, but who

28:04

cares, use it. And so what I tell people

28:06

is to hold your arm up and say, I have pepper

28:08

spray, get away from me! And it's okay to

28:10

announce what you have, because let's face

28:12

it, if criminals wanted something really

28:14

hard, they'd have a job, and they'd adult

28:17

like the rest of us do. But they want something

28:19

easy, and they don't want you to be

28:21

somebody who's gonna fight back. They want a simple

28:24

target. But when you go to spray your

28:26

pepper spray, you wanna drop your arm down and

28:28

aim it up. You wanna hit them in the face and down

28:30

the shirt. And people go, well, why down the shirt?

28:33

Well, it's because when you get something in your face, you

28:35

lift your shirt up and you wipe your face, you just

28:37

got him again. Now, ours has a UV

28:39

dye in it that will stick to their

28:41

face for 7 to 10 days. And

28:44

think about it, when they pick them up, and police pick them up, what's the

28:46

first thing they say? I didn't do it. I

28:48

wasn't there. I don't know what she's talking about. But now

28:50

they can UV their face if it's

28:52

within 7 to 10 days, and they're gonna say, well,

28:54

why do you have this on your face? Where did this

28:56

come from? So again, you've caught

28:59

them in a lie. They've caught them in a lie now that it

29:01

kind of takes the you-said-he-said out of it, which

29:04

is what I like. Because now he has to prove

29:06

why does he have that on his face.

29:07

Where do you get the products? How

29:09

do you make these? How do you manufacture them? Because

29:11

just looking on your website, you

29:13

have them in different colors, there's different

29:16

shapes. You're like the Steve Jobs

29:18

of the defense merchandise world.

29:20

So I am very open

29:22

about what Dan's list. We are a direct selling company.

29:25

So we work like any other. I'm a consultant

29:27

with damsel in defense. They come up

29:29

with the ideas, but I will tell you this is how they've

29:32

come up with them. It's through the years, every

29:34

time someone suggests something to

29:36

me, and crime con's a great one for this.

29:38

People will suggest what they've seen. Do you

29:40

have this? They tell me about it. I send

29:43

all those ideas into damsel,

29:45

and then they put something together. So

29:47

like we wanted something that could GPS

29:50

locations to our people to

29:52

let them know we're in trouble. Now we have two products

29:55

that do that. We have a pepper spray and alarm,

29:57

and both have a silent way to contact

29:59

your... five superheroes that are in your

30:02

app. Because we're still a smaller company,

30:04

I'm very blessed that our

30:07

owners listen to us. Mindy Lynn is our

30:09

founder and she is very good at listening

30:12

to us and hearing what our customers

30:14

are asking for. So if anybody has

30:16

a suggestion, you can email it to me and I pass it

30:19

right on to them so that we can get better

30:21

products and serve the people that

30:23

we need to serve better. You know, it is all

30:25

about our clients having what they need and

30:27

what they want. Like we have guarantees on

30:30

everything. Our stun guns have lifetime warranties.

30:32

You're not going to find that anywhere else and you're not going

30:34

to find any place else that has the replacement guarantees

30:36

that we have. So anytime you use anything from

30:38

Damsel, if the bad guy takes it away from you

30:41

and runs away with it, put it in the police report,

30:43

I'll replace it for free. That includes your

30:45

pepper spray. If you use your pepper

30:47

spray protecting yourself, put it in the police

30:49

report, I will send you a new canister. There's no other

30:52

company that stands behind their product. So

30:54

that's one of the reasons that I got involved with Damsel

30:56

is because of the way they stood behind

30:59

their products. And that was important to

31:01

me because I did not want to sell somebody something

31:03

that's not going to work or they couldn't count

31:05

on because I'm telling them to count on them for their safety.

31:08

The other part is I needed to be a

31:10

part of something bigger than myself. I started

31:13

Damsel I was 51 and I thought, you know,

31:15

I'm getting into the other half of my life.

31:17

What is my legacy going to be? I am

31:19

very concerned about the missing numbers

31:21

that I'm very concerned about sex

31:23

trafficking. I just can't put my head

31:26

around it, you know, and there's what 27 billion

31:28

people affected by trafficking

31:30

in the world today. So every time I

31:33

sell anything, we have two Damsel houses

31:35

and we've saved 1,500 children from

31:38

sex trafficking in the last six

31:40

years. So what

31:42

we do is we go in and we take the children out,

31:44

we save them, they escape, and then

31:47

we help them find something

31:50

to do. Like we have a nursing program

31:52

now. They can learn to be a hairdresser, they can

31:54

learn to own a restaurant. There's all kinds

31:56

of things now for them to choose so

31:59

that they can get into a... a profession that

32:01

can make them proud and maybe put this

32:04

dark part behind them. Because

32:06

what I found is that the average age of

32:08

sex trafficking is 14. The average

32:10

times that they're sold a day is six.

32:13

And if you stop and think about that, at 14,

32:17

did you want to do anything six times a

32:19

day? And to not

32:21

have any control over that

32:23

whatsoever. It's 2023. No child

32:26

deserves to be sold. Actually,

32:28

no human should

32:31

be sold in our world today. That's

32:33

probably the reason sometimes I get up and

32:35

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32:38

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So, we have two dance-l houses and they're

34:55

run by Destiny Rescue. We donate

34:57

the money to keep those two houses running.

35:00

The food, the programming, all

35:02

of that is done through dance-l. So, those two

35:05

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35:07

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35:09

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35:12

for those houses. So, every time

35:14

I sell something, they

35:16

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35:18

into that fund that then goes

35:20

back to those homes. And I'm really proud

35:23

that during COVID, we never missed a payment. But

35:25

I will tell you that since COVID, sex

35:28

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35:31

that has like quadrupled. It's

35:33

getting worse and worse and we really need

35:35

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35:38

another thing, educating on how to protect yourself

35:40

but your children too, so that this doesn't

35:42

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35:42

If the sex trafficking industry

35:45

tripled at this point, how

35:47

do you and your organization

35:50

combat that? And then you just said education

35:52

and protection. Can you open that up a little bit more for us?

35:54

Yeah, so we talk about warning signs and

35:57

we talk about tips. So, one of the things I

35:59

just learned, I just... to a policeman here

36:01

in Texas. And he was telling me that

36:03

I need to warn people, young girls who

36:05

are starting to drive sometimes

36:08

have a four-door car. Whoever

36:10

looks at the passenger side of your vehicle

36:13

when you go to get in your car, rarely do you do

36:15

that. But what traffickers are doing

36:17

is they're putting a zip tie on

36:19

the back handle of the passenger

36:21

door. And that's kind of marking this

36:23

girl so that other traffickers, because

36:26

they work in teams. So that's something that you

36:28

need to look for. If you're going into a store,

36:31

I just had this young girl bring this up in

36:33

an event I was at. This man was following

36:35

her around the store she fought. And part

36:37

of her thought, I'm just being silly. He's

36:40

not really following me. But then she really started watching

36:42

him and everywhere she went, he was.

36:44

He did not have a cart. He was

36:46

not putting anything into a basket. He was

36:48

simply there wherever she turned. So

36:51

she went to her mom and said, mom, I feel really

36:53

weird about this. Because they had divided up

36:55

their grocery list. They only had 30 minutes in the

36:57

store. So she was getting half the stuff and her mom

36:59

was getting the other half. She came back to her mom and said,

37:01

I feel weird. She said, okay, well stay with me. And her

37:04

mom said that she noticed the

37:06

same thing. Every time they turn, here is

37:08

this man. So they went to the manager and

37:10

said, hey, can you help us? Because

37:12

the last thing you want to do is just leave the store.

37:14

People think they want to just leave the store. No, you

37:16

don't. Because if he's not working alone, you don't want

37:19

to walk out where now there's a

37:21

big, you know, a big lot. So

37:23

you want to go to the manager. You want to have the manager

37:25

get the security guard to help you out. Or the manager

37:27

can always go back and look at the video and see what's

37:30

going on and then report back to the police that this

37:32

is happening. Now, if you do go

37:34

out to the lot and the man does approach

37:36

you, you want to scream stranger or I

37:38

don't know you. Fire and help people

37:40

don't really respond to anymore. But if you're screaming

37:43

stranger, I don't know you get away from me.

37:45

More people are going to act to want to help you. And

37:47

the reason you yell stranger is because

37:49

a lot of times that people think it's domestic, they're

37:52

not going to get involved. They don't want to get involved

37:54

into a domestic situation. So if

37:56

you can make sure that people know this is not my parent,

37:58

this is not me, this is not me. my husband, this is not

38:00

my boyfriend, I don't know this person. That's

38:03

going to help you more than just

38:05

screaming. The other thing that women can do is

38:08

start screaming profanities like

38:10

you are crazy because let's face it, how many times

38:12

have you gone out in public and seen a

38:14

woman do this? Maybe a handful of times, depends

38:17

on where you live. That's not a normal thing either. That

38:19

way it will draw attention also. Now

38:22

if you get in your car, the first thing you want to do is lock your

38:24

doors, but if you don't lock your door quick

38:26

enough and somebody gets in the car with you, you have

38:28

car insurance, have a wreck because that's going to

38:30

draw attention.

38:31

Yeah, you just said

38:33

have car insurance and get into a wreck.

38:37

I don't think a lot of people would have that

38:39

thought if that happened. If they got into their car

38:41

and there was somebody sitting in the back seat or the passenger

38:43

seat, that's a really good way

38:46

to get the attention.

38:46

Right now, we're looking at the holidays

38:49

coming up. Thanksgiving is going to be in three weeks.

38:52

People are out buying gifts

38:55

and you're not paying attention. What you want to

38:57

do is do not load yourself down before

38:59

you go to your car. Be sure you're carrying

39:01

your protection with you. That's

39:04

one of the reasons I like the stun gun too because it has a flashlight

39:06

on it. I have a flashlight right there in my hand.

39:08

I used to park way, way, way out in the lot

39:11

so I could walk because I was very fat and

39:13

it was the way that I got my exercise.

39:16

Well, now I would never do that because there's

39:19

no running for me. I'm going to have to fight.

39:21

So you want to make sure that you're carrying

39:24

your protection with you when you're going out to your car.

39:26

If you have to open up your hatchback

39:30

or your trunk to put your groceries in, don't

39:32

face your car. Turn sideways.

39:35

When you're facing your car, it's easier for

39:37

somebody to come up behind you and push you in.

39:40

If you're sideways, your body doesn't

39:42

bend like that as easily. So it will

39:44

take a little bit more to get you

39:47

into the car. In the back of my car, I have

39:49

what we call a socket slam. It's

39:52

a cubitan and I have one

39:54

hanging in the back of my car. So if somebody

39:56

comes up behind me, it's on a breakaway. I can just

39:58

pull it off and it's right there in my hand. Now I I have something

40:00

to fight back with in case I don't have

40:02

anything in my hand.

40:03

What is that device and what does that do?

40:05

We

40:05

call them socket slams, but they're really

40:07

called kubitons in the real world. You put

40:09

your hand around it and now

40:12

you can fight with it. You can hit with

40:14

it. Put your hand in the right position. Most people

40:16

don't make a fist correctly and they end up hurting

40:18

themselves. This helps you. These are made out of

40:20

aluminum, so they're never going to break a window,

40:22

but they'll never break, bend or crack

40:24

either. And ours are sharper on the end

40:27

because most of our clients

40:29

are women. So we want to give you an advantage.

40:32

I also have them in my shower because if you're

40:34

in your, if you're in your home and you're in the shower

40:37

and someone breaks into your home, where are you going? My

40:39

other protection is not near my shower.

40:41

Okay. So that seems like a pretty good

40:44

handheld device to defend

40:46

yourself. What is the best device

40:48

in your opinion that is the right size

40:51

to carry through like a parking

40:53

lot or something? You're not going to forget

40:55

something that's going to help you.

40:57

I always say carrying your protection

40:59

is such a personal thing.

41:02

It's what you want to carry and what you

41:04

feel comfortable with. I always start

41:06

with a stun device, but

41:08

it's because it has the sound on it.

41:11

That I can sound off to say, stay away from me.

41:13

It has the light on it. And then

41:16

I know if I'm using it, it's

41:18

going to cause some problems. What happens is it

41:21

contracts the muscles. When that electricity

41:23

hits those muscles, I feel that that's

41:26

my best weapon. But

41:28

that's really something personal that you

41:30

have to think about for yourself. I

41:33

carry everything. People say, Oh, Nancy, you're paranoid.

41:36

No, I'm prepared. I want no matter

41:38

what the situation, know that I

41:40

fought back. You said

41:41

being labeled as paranoid

41:43

and having to correct the person and

41:45

say, knowing prepared, I think like any

41:48

stigma that the word paranoid has should go away.

41:50

I mean, prepared and be aware.

41:53

But I do know that some people will hear

41:55

all this and they'll be like, well, nothing's ever

41:57

happened to me before. I live in a safe

41:59

neighborhood. I don't want to be the person who's

42:02

just always on high alert. What

42:04

do you tell people like that? I

42:05

tell them two things because this does get told

42:07

to me a lot and it actually happened at crime cons

42:09

This lady said I live in a small town and nothing

42:12

ever happens there So my first thing was

42:14

was that on earth

42:15

that nothing ever happens there and

42:17

she's like yes And I said do you have a police

42:20

force? And she said

42:22

yes. I said well why if nothing ever happens

42:24

there She's like oh and

42:26

I said and literally you're at crime car

42:29

car on there's like 90 Podcast

42:32

here every one of them has at

42:34

least one episode that has started

42:37

Nothing ever seemed to happen there. It was a quiet

42:39

neighborhood. It was a nice part of the town

42:42

I mean come on we all know

42:45

Those are the places that sometimes we

42:47

have to be more on guard because

42:50

people they think they move there

42:52

to be Safer, you know not to

42:54

tell anybody that they're not safe in their neighborhood, you

42:57

know You make your neighborhood as safe as you can I

42:59

don't want people to live with their head in the sand

43:02

either and I don't know if anybody else does this either

43:04

But I can't tell you how many times I've listened to a podcast

43:06

and scream.

43:07

Where was your pepper spray? Did you not

43:09

have anything to fight back with

43:11

you know, cuz I'm like just spray

43:13

him or just hit him or something

43:16

You know people say that to me all the time. Nothing's

43:18

ever gonna happen to me women my age say a

43:20

lot Nobody would want me. Well, it's not

43:22

about wanting you. It's not

43:24

about the sex. It's not about

43:27

the arousal It's about the power

43:30

It's about the power that the criminal

43:32

has to instill fear

43:35

in you or the power they have Over

43:38

you it's about the endorphins

43:41

now that are running through

43:43

their head and the excitement

43:45

that they get If you watch the Ted Bundy

43:47

thing, he talks about how his whole addiction

43:50

got started with a pornography addiction

43:53

Because that was enough for him for his endorphins

43:55

to go and you got excited and then

43:58

after years of watching that

43:59

do it for

44:00

him anymore. So then he went out

44:02

and watched women or he

44:04

would peek in their windows because they didn't

44:07

know he was doing it. It's the power

44:09

that these guys have. So when you

44:12

take their power away from them by wanting

44:14

to fight back or by looking, get

44:16

off your phone, get

44:18

off your phone when you're walking to your car and pay

44:20

attention to what's going on around

44:22

you. You know, now you're taking that away

44:24

from them and you're making yourself look like

44:27

not an easy target. Yeah, I get mad about

44:29

the phone thing.

44:30

Yeah, no, that's that's understandable.

44:32

So who needs to carry

44:34

this kind of protection the most? And

44:38

what would you suggest is the

44:40

best gift for someone

44:42

who may be listening, who has a

44:45

friend that your description that

44:47

you're about to give is going to fit,

44:49

but they've resisted so far in

44:52

any suggestion to carry something like this?

44:54

The people who should carry are good people. If

44:56

you're a good person, you should carry

44:59

some kind of protection with you. The best gift

45:02

for me is look

45:04

at how much you want to spend. Part

45:06

of my safety program is not putting

45:09

yourself into a financial bind either

45:11

and watching your finances because that's

45:14

one of those things that we don't think of as safety.

45:17

But when you are able to pay your bills and

45:19

you have a little bit of money in the bank, then you feel

45:21

more comfortable and you're not desperate. So

45:24

we need to that's a whole different podcast. But anyway,

45:26

that's what you know, I feel that way about that.

45:28

And then think about if you want them to carry

45:30

something you've talked about it, you know, I'm

45:33

always going to go to a stand about it. But it might be

45:35

just an alarm, you want them to

45:37

carry something and get used to carrying something,

45:39

then they're going to like it, they like the empowerment,

45:42

then they'll buy themselves something else. And I always say

45:44

buy it in one of their favorite colors. Because

45:47

if you buy something for somebody in their favorite color,

45:49

they're more likely to carry it.

45:51

And you also have the starter kit.

45:53

We do so because we're a direct

45:55

sales company, you can start your own business

45:58

with Danzel. I will tell you. You

46:00

can, you can't, I don't care what

46:02

you do, just let me know how I can

46:04

help you. If you want to join my team,

46:06

I am here for you to help you. I do have

46:08

a team of about 70 people that I work

46:10

with. I've been with Danzel for nine years,

46:12

so I've been able to grow. And I do work

46:15

with each of these people that want me to work with them.

46:17

If you don't want to do that, then don't. I

46:19

mean, it doesn't matter to me, but when you

46:21

join us and you lock hands

46:24

with us, you're going to be able to talk

46:26

to people and you'll be in front of people. I

46:28

will never get the

46:31

opportunity to, you have access

46:33

to people that I will never be able

46:35

to talk to about safety from

46:38

crime con. I just did a zoom party

46:40

for a lady who has her daughter's 15. So

46:43

I did a little party for her daughter.

46:46

They were all 14 and 15 year olds. And we

46:48

talked about red flags and what to do

46:50

when you're out and about, you know, how to go to

46:52

the ATM, you know, there's a big thing about

46:54

ATMs right now. You can join

46:57

Danzel and walk beside us. If

46:59

you want to be a part of something bigger than yourself,

47:01

there's no requirements necessarily

47:04

to do every month. So it would be your business.

47:06

And I have influencers that just use

47:09

it as an influencer. I have people that use

47:11

it as extra money. I do have podcasts

47:13

that have actually joined my team so that they can

47:15

offer the products to their clients all

47:17

the time.

47:18

Is there anything else that you'd like to say

47:20

today here to our listeners?

47:22

I would like to let them know if they get

47:24

anything out of today, you are worth

47:26

the fight. We need you

47:28

in this world. You were here for

47:31

a reason. If you're listening to podcasts,

47:33

we need you because you may know something.

47:36

You may be able to help solve a mystery.

47:38

More than that, we need you never, I say

47:41

it as a joke, but we need you to never be a part

47:43

of your favorite podcast. We need you

47:45

to be out there safe and sharing

47:48

your education that you know with the world,

47:50

because everyone's here for

47:53

a reason and we need

47:55

the good people to really step

47:57

up and be part of the solution.

48:00

I just want to say thank you so much, you

48:02

know, being a part of your podcast. I've been listening

48:04

to you guys for so long and I really

48:07

love you. Yesterday, I was listening to a session

48:09

and I work with American Greeting Cards. I

48:11

go into the stores and put out the cards. I don't even remember

48:14

which one it was now, but something happened and I was like,

48:16

no way did that just happen.

48:19

And this lady looked at me, she said, are you all right? And

48:21

I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm listening to a podcast. She goes,

48:23

what are you listening to? You know, and I was like, oh, I was at

48:25

a crawl space. What are you listening to? And so we exchanged,

48:28

she listened to something I didn't. So I

48:30

love that because it's almost like the minute you meet somebody,

48:33

it's a connection. But I do want

48:35

your listeners to know that I appreciate

48:37

them and I am here. If they have a story

48:39

that they need to share with somebody or if they just want

48:42

some advice on what to carry or they want

48:44

me to take what they have and compare

48:46

it, I'm happy to do that. What

48:49

can I do to be of help to them so that

48:51

they stay safe and

48:53

they feel more empowered to take

48:55

care of themselves?

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