SPONSORSEXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/peptalk Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee!
Amy Devers is the host of the design podcast Clever, Check it out here: https://www.cleverpodcast.com/Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Podchaser is the ultimate destination for podcast data, search, and discovery. Learn More