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1:00

Andrew Tate has obviously said a lot of kind of controversial things

1:02

online. What do you think about that? A lot

1:04

of things are very controversial, but

1:06

I think the bottom of his message is

1:09

a very, very positive one.

1:10

Because if I'm not half on myself, nobody

1:13

else will be. Nobody really cares about

1:15

me if I don't care about me, right? That's what I learned from

1:17

Andrew Tate. When you

1:19

get to meet someone who's as, I

1:21

guess, like popular, cultish

1:24

as a leader, you get some insight

1:26

into their charisma comes from,

1:28

like how it actually happens. In

1:31

him and spending so much time with him, you

1:34

get a sense of does it come from? How

1:36

is he so charismatic? Why is he able to appeal to so

1:38

many people? What would you say is secret sauces?

1:41

I think it's no secret

1:44

that men since

1:47

time immemorial felt insecure

1:49

about their own masculinity and have

1:52

been jealous of other men who

1:54

appear to be appear to be attractive

1:56

to women, appear to be stronger and more

1:59

able to fight.

1:59

He

2:02

basically exacerbates

2:04

that dilemma and presents himself

2:07

as this kind of almost caricature

2:09

of stereotypical masculinity. So as

2:12

a man, I can understand why

2:14

if you're feeling insecure you might want his

2:16

approval,

2:17

especially as a young man, a young adolescent boy

2:19

who's one of the main target audiences that he appeals

2:21

to. Of course, it's important to remember

2:24

that this is a man who's currently in jail under

2:27

investigation for rape and human trafficking

2:29

and who through our own reporting we've spoken to women

2:31

who say that he has either

2:34

raped or abused them. So

2:37

it's certainly, I mean, it goes without saying, it's

2:39

obviously not the kind of man that you'd think you should

2:41

want to win the approval of and yet still

2:44

to this day, many people do. When

2:46

you wrap it up like that, it is sort of like there's a

2:49

very dark side to this and you found many

2:51

of it, much of it through your own reporting. Can you talk

2:53

about what you found, who you talked to? Because

2:56

these are very serious allegations of sexual

2:58

assault.

2:59

You were able to obtain material

3:02

that maybe corroborated that allegedly. So talk

3:04

to me about what you found. Because it's not only that

3:06

people get sent to the hospital because they get hit

3:09

so badly in his cult, so to speak,

3:11

alleged cult, but that his actual personal

3:13

actions themselves, both on a micro level and

3:16

maybe on a macro level,

3:17

allegedly, potentially, are extremely damaging.

3:20

Yeah, so we spoke to a number of women in

3:22

our film and in our reporting around

3:24

the film,

3:25

mainly based in the UK. And I

3:27

think what we focused on in our film was the

3:29

fact that Andrew, despite his constant

3:32

claims that no women have ever come forward with complaints

3:34

about him, no women are ever complaining, he's never

3:36

been accused of a crime in his life. This was something

3:38

he would regularly say until his recent arrest. We

3:41

spoke to three women who did go to the police

3:43

in the UK with allegations of rape

3:45

or physical assault between 2013 and 2015. And

3:50

as you said, one of those sources had

3:52

voice notes, text messages that appeared

3:54

to be Andrew Tate corroborating that he

3:56

had sexually assaulted her.

3:58

I mean, for us, it was particularly...

4:00

Howaring to hear that Andrew Tate allegedly

4:02

had been held in custody for crimes very similar

4:04

for what he was later accused of in Romania

4:07

In the UK, you know the country where we both live

4:09

and yet was never never formally charged

4:12

How did Andrew Tate respond to these allegations? He

4:15

of course denied these allegations via his lawyer. Mm-hmm

4:18

now

4:19

Andrew Tate is currently or at the time of our

4:21

filming like

4:22

in a prison. Is that correct?

4:24

Yes, so like the timing of this is so interesting

4:26

as well because over the holidays he obviously got into that spat

4:29

with the climate activist and

4:32

was seemingly arrested

4:34

very shortly thereafter. And

4:36

the allegations here are human trafficking, right? Which

4:38

is like, even like, it's

4:41

crazy and it's insane and it's extremely damaging.

4:43

So like when you were in his compound,

4:46

did you get the sense that like something

4:48

weird might be happening here? Again, this is like a

4:50

Spidey sense kind of question, but like... It

4:53

was honestly more than a Spidey sense. It

4:56

was,

4:58

he had a course on

5:00

his website called the PhD or the Pimping

5:02

Hose degree, which instructed

5:05

men on how to,

5:07

shall we say,

5:10

convince women to work for you

5:12

in the pornographic industry.

5:16

We directly asked him when we were there,

5:18

I said, have you heard of the term lover boy before?

5:21

And he immediately said, the lover boy method. So he knew what

5:23

that was, which is when you lure

5:25

women in with the promise of a

5:28

romantic relationship or a flashy lifestyle

5:30

and then end up making money from them, exploitatively,

5:33

in a sex-adjacent industry such as webcam modeling,

5:36

which is what the business he ran. That

5:39

loverboy method is now a key part of the investigation

5:41

by the Romanian police. Have you heard the term

5:44

loverboy before?

5:46

The loverboy method? Yeah. Romantically

5:48

involving yourself with a woman and then making money off

5:50

of her in some sort sex-adjacent industry. Firstly,

5:54

I would call the webcam industry far closer to

5:56

psychology than sex. The webcam

5:58

industry has prevented more male suicides.

5:59

side than any group of therapists,

6:02

any action group, any charity ever would,

6:05

right? Is that true? How can

6:07

you measure that? Well, it's not about measuring it. It's about my personal

6:09

experience. One of the concerns that people

6:12

have about that is that it's similar to

6:14

people might consider

6:18

that a form of grooming. Okay, so I'm a professional, so

6:20

I have to change

6:22

what you just said. I have to

6:24

at least challenge you on it. Nobody's

6:26

concerned about anything that happened 10 years ago when a

6:28

bunch of girls got rich.

6:29

There's not a single female complaining. Do you think there's not a single

6:32

female complaining? Have you seen one? Tell me. We

6:34

asked him about that well before he was arrested and

6:37

most people don't realize that, you

6:38

know, months before he was arrested

6:41

recently, his compound

6:43

was raided by the Romanian police as

6:45

part of that investigation. So the signs were

6:48

there that something could be happening.

6:51

When we were touring around his house, he was

6:53

saying,

6:54

can't take you there, that's classified. Don't go in there, that's classified.

6:57

If you try and go in there, my security guard will put a gun

6:59

in your face. You know,

7:01

there were lots of signs. I mean,

7:04

it's almost kind of incredible that no

7:07

investigation,

7:08

that this didn't happen sooner, you know,

7:11

given all that. Yeah, I think just to add

7:13

to that, like the term hiding in plain sight in

7:15

terms of his content has never been more relevant, right?

7:18

This is a man who, as you'll see in the archive, his

7:20

own material that appears in our film, he's

7:22

explicitly spoken about exploiting women,

7:24

holding women against their will, getting women

7:26

to work for him in the webcam business. These are all things he

7:29

said

7:30

publicly on YouTube. So, I

7:32

mean, personally, like Andrew Tate got a

7:34

lot of coverage in the last year, and there were quite a lot of

7:37

journalists from other publications who would go out there,

7:39

interview him, and seemingly make no attempts

7:41

to verify his claims. And I think that was

7:44

something we found really, really frustrating. How much...

7:46

Because he did become such a viral individual, right?

7:49

I feel like a lot of journalists maybe flocked

7:51

to him to sort of feed off that virality, but they

7:53

weren't willing to actually do the investigations

7:55

to see, you

7:56

know, is there something more sinister behind the scenes here?

7:58

Yeah, I know there's no excuse for that. because the information

8:01

was out there, you could see his page where

8:03

he is pimping hosiery online. You know, it's

8:05

kind of shocking that it took so long

8:08

for, you know,

8:09

anyone to kind of calm up on these things.

8:21

Hey lovely listeners and welcome back to

8:23

Crime Analyst in the Intelligence Cell. In

8:26

this episode I want to talk about the latest

8:29

in the case against Andrew Tate and

8:31

his brother Tristan Tate.

8:33

Now Andrew Tate is best known for spreading

8:36

hate, misogyny and violence on social

8:38

media and getting his minions

8:40

to repeat and spew the same disgusting

8:43

and ignorant rhetoric in their lives

8:46

and on social media. Now

8:48

if you are an American male between the ages

8:51

of 12 and 20 with a TikTok account,

8:53

top G, as Andrew Tate likes

8:55

to call himself, was an unavoidable

8:58

presence and by the end of 2022,

9:00

hashtag Andrew Tate had

9:03

been searched on TikTok 22 billion times. That

9:07

is insane to me.

9:09

So we should all be paying attention to

9:11

the type of influence that this man

9:13

has on our children

9:16

and on our family members and on our loved ones

9:18

and if you follow me on social media, you'll

9:21

know that last year I asked for your help

9:23

to report his content to all platforms.

9:27

And I did that following many of you lot

9:29

and you lovely mums contacting me

9:31

saying that your sons had been spewing

9:34

his rhetoric and that you were beside

9:36

yourselves and didn't know

9:37

what to do. So I

9:39

felt that we needed a campaign to really

9:41

spotlight his behaviour and

9:44

his terrible influence and that it

9:46

was breaching their own guidelines

9:48

on all social media platforms and yet

9:50

he was being rewarded and being monetised

9:53

for spewing hate misogyny and

9:55

that is incredibly serious.

9:57

And Daz Black, he also...

9:59

used his platforms to talk about Andrew

10:02

Tate and in fact many women reported

10:04

their experience of abuse at Andrew

10:07

Tate's hands to him and

10:09

also True Geordie and Ethan

10:12

from H Podcast and various

10:14

others all did the same.

10:16

All did the same using their platforms as a

10:18

force for good which resulted in him being

10:20

banned from Facebook, Instagram and

10:22

YouTube in August 2022 which was amazing.

10:26

it shows the power

10:28

of us, it shows that we can be a force

10:30

for good.

10:31

But unfortunately, Andrew Tate's legacy

10:34

lives on.

10:35

And yes, Andrew Tate and Tristan

10:37

Tate were arrested in Romania on December 29,

10:42

2022, after his disturbing Twitter exchange with

10:44

climate activist Greta Thunberg, where

10:47

he boasted about his enormous carbon

10:49

emissions.

10:49

Now, just

10:51

think about that. A 36-year-old

10:53

man targeting

10:55

a 19-year-old Greta Thunberg

10:58

with sexual connotations about his,

11:01

in inverted commas, enormous emissions.

11:03

Well, the tweet that was most like

11:06

was her response, where she completely

11:08

burned him.

11:10

But of course, being the person

11:12

that Andrew Tate is, his psychopathology,

11:14

he couldn't leave it there. And he responded

11:17

with a video of him wearing this silky

11:19

red robe, keep sliding his

11:21

nipple out from the robe, smoking

11:24

a cigar. I mean, it really sleazy

11:26

and gross. Him ordering pizza

11:29

and having the last word. But that

11:31

pizza box housed him in Romania.

11:34

And there was a lot of people thinking that

11:36

because of that, that's why law enforcement

11:38

understood where he was and then they went through his

11:40

doors and arrested him. And of course,

11:42

a lot of people cheered. But actually,

11:44

what I've learned from law enforcement is that he was

11:47

under investigation before that,

11:49

actually from April onwards, given

11:51

multiple allegations that had been made.

11:53

And I have to say I also flagged him to law enforcement

11:56

to be looked at as any other serious

11:58

and organised criminal should be.

11:59

and they were arrested and

12:02

they've been in custody and under investigation

12:04

ever since.

12:06

Now three times the judge has denied

12:08

them bail

12:09

and on March the 22nd Andrew

12:11

Tate and Tristan Tate's detention in custody

12:14

was extended by yet another

12:16

month.

12:17

So that's the update that each

12:19

time they want to be released in every

12:21

30-day period the judge denies

12:24

it and this time they're

12:26

extremely upset about it the poor dears

12:28

and their lawyers were speechless apparently.

12:31

Now if you haven't watched my YouTube video

12:33

about the case against Andrew Tate I

12:35

suggest that you go over and watch it and

12:37

you can also listen to me talk about the case on

12:39

my other podcast Real Crime Profile with

12:42

retired FBI profiler and former New

12:44

York City prosecutor Jim Clemente and

12:46

casting director for Criminal Minds Lisa

12:49

Zimbetti.

12:50

And I do just want to say a quick thank you to all

12:52

of you who've watched the video and also

12:54

those who listened to the podcast and of course

12:56

reported Andrew Tate on social media

12:58

platforms. And if I could ask one more

13:01

thing, if you could drop me a comment, let me know what

13:03

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13:05

and also leave a five-star review for Crime Analyst.

13:08

If you like what I do, that would be amazing.

13:11

Okay, so first things first. I've

13:13

given a brief outline but I just want to

13:16

nutshell the case and recap it.

13:18

So as I said, The Tate brothers were

13:21

arrested on December 29th and

13:23

they're being investigated regarding

13:25

allegations of rape, people trafficking

13:28

and forming an organised

13:29

criminal network. Now

13:31

Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate deny

13:33

any wrongdoing and claim that they're

13:36

cooperating with law enforcement.

13:38

They are extremely serious

13:40

allegations that carry a significant

13:43

sentence. As I said, each

13:45

month they've had their bell denied and

13:47

their release being pushed back for each 30-day

13:50

period.

13:51

And now we know that the case were next be heard

13:53

at the end of April.

13:55

Now, they were hopeful that they would actually

13:57

be released on March 29th.

13:59

the judge heard the case sooner on March

14:02

22nd and pushed back on this and

14:05

decided to hold them on preventative

14:07

arrest for at least another 30 days.

14:10

Now the Tate's and their lawyers are saying

14:12

it's unjust and that no new

14:14

evidence was presented and I've seen

14:16

a lot of people and traffic on social media

14:19

saying that yes this is unjust and how can

14:21

this happen and there's no real case against

14:23

them and that they should be released.

14:25

Well, what was new and

14:28

different in this hearing was that the

14:30

judge addressed the Tate's directly and

14:33

asked them to respond directly to

14:35

the prosecution's argument that they

14:37

were a flight risk and the risk to

14:39

public order.

14:40

Now after what was called a dynamic exchange,

14:43

the judge ruled that the two men should be

14:46

kept in preventative custody for another 30

14:48

days and yes that is unusual.

14:52

All of this is unusual. However,

14:54

what it reveals to me is that the judge believes

14:57

them to be a flight risk and that they would

14:59

cause serious problems on release inciting

15:02

others to act on their behalf and

15:04

potentially threatening and intimidating witnesses.

15:06

So what I want to

15:08

do in this episode is look at the

15:10

evidence to support the judge's decision

15:13

or indeed refute it

15:15

and then you can decide for yourselves.

15:18

Okay so firstly a reminder

15:20

that Tate said that he went to Romania due

15:22

to lack's rape laws and

15:25

to escape me to and accountability.

15:28

That's what he said in his own words but

15:31

that's clearly a learning moment for him

15:33

given what's unfolded.

15:35

Secondly Tate went to Romania

15:37

in 2017 when he was still

15:40

under investigation for rape and

15:42

physical abuse by Hertfordshire police.

15:45

In other words,

15:46

he fled.

15:47

He didn't wait for the investigation to conclude.

15:51

So there's a clue.

15:53

Thirdly, Tate in his own words said that

15:55

he had multiple passports to escape

15:57

the law and I'm going to direct quote

15:59

what he said.

15:59

in one of his videos.

16:01

He said,

16:02

If I fuck up big time, and England wants

16:05

me in jail, I can fly in a Nigerian

16:07

passport.

16:08

I have so many fucking passports. What

16:11

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16:14

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Fourthly, a lawyer acting for the Tates in

19:41

the US contacted one of the alleged victims

19:43

in the case and threatened to sue her and

19:45

her family for US$300 million,

19:48

which is the equivalent of £244 million

19:51

pounds for defamation

19:53

until she retracted her allegation.

19:56

Fifth, on March 15th, Rolling

19:58

Stone reported that

19:59

Tate's phone calls in prison have been recorded.

20:03

Now on January the 28th he called his

20:05

assistant, who patched him into a call with

20:07

another associate.

20:08

Now Tate told him that he needed supporters,

20:11

he needed women backing him up.

20:14

He said that he needed girlfriends and female

20:16

employees to talk about what a great guy he

20:18

was and how he and his brother, who was

20:20

also being held, were innocent.

20:23

Now according to a court document obtained

20:26

by the Rolling Stone, Tate Tate told

20:28

the associate and I quote, The

20:31

clips that X and X, his two

20:33

employees have made, have views. They're

20:35

good and they're hitting hard.

20:38

He said keep going, good job, over

20:41

and over again, different ones. We need the girls

20:43

to cry, to be frustrated and

20:45

to be angry.

20:47

Even women on social media claiming

20:49

to be friends of Tate's, begging

20:52

for the brother's freedom are employees

20:54

and girlfriends specifically instructed

20:56

to do so

20:57

according to the prosecutors.

21:00

These wiretapped conversations are

21:03

evidence of a disturbing strategy that

21:05

he's leaning on women,

21:07

and this disturbing strategy was revealed

21:09

by the prosecutors and put before the judge.

21:13

Sixth, in terms of co-opting others to assist

21:15

them, there's the petition to free

21:17

the Tates, got over 200,000 signatures,

21:21

and more recently there was this cancer

21:24

rumor circulating, which

21:25

turned out to be completely erroneous.

21:28

But I sense it was a bit of PMS, poor

21:30

me syndrome, and there may well be more

21:32

of that to come to try and garner sympathy

21:35

in light of all his other tactics failing.

21:39

Seventh, interestingly one of his

21:41

lawyers, Eugene Vidinac, told

21:43

the BBC, and I'll quote

21:46

He said, in all the volumes of the file,

21:48

you never find one piece of paper with pornographic

21:51

content to sustain the theory that the

21:53

women were obliged to post-pornographic

21:55

content.

21:57

But leak papers seen by the BBC

21:59

outlined testimony from a

22:02

victim who claimed to be forced to earn £8,800

22:04

a month on social media under

22:08

the threat of violence.

22:10

Court papers also describe debts

22:12

being used as a form of psychological

22:14

coercion. 8. Prosecutors

22:18

have identified six victims, four

22:20

who've given testimony.

22:22

Also and importantly, they're not just

22:24

relying on the victim's testimony.

22:27

They have evidence from the wire tapping

22:29

and and from the Tate's computers and

22:31

programs, and of course they're following

22:33

the money.

22:34

And I've heard that investigators have

22:36

now begun looking into financial

22:39

records with a new focus on

22:41

possible money laundering.

22:43

Ninth, Romanian authorities have so

22:45

far seized more than $4 million

22:48

in assets following the Tate's arrest, and

22:50

they're looking at the brothers' assets in America,

22:53

the UK and Ireland.

22:55

Now, they're following the money on their computers,

22:58

banking and programs, and that takes

23:00

time.

23:01

But tenth, and rather importantly,

23:04

in Romania you can hold someone

23:06

for up to six months without charging them.

23:09

So there's that.

23:10

And it wouldn't surprise me at all if

23:12

the judge decided to keep them in custody

23:14

right up until that six month limit

23:17

has been reached.

23:18

So those key ten points are really

23:20

important, but talking of time,

23:23

I want to share a more complete timeline

23:25

with you.

23:26

Okay so in 2015 as I've already

23:28

said, Andrew Tate was arrested

23:31

and investigated by Hertfordshire Police for physical

23:33

assault and rape

23:34

and after four years of being investigated

23:37

the Crown Prosecution Service declined

23:39

to prosecute.

23:41

Now there has been a vice investigation

23:43

and I highly recommend that you read that investigation

23:46

where multiple victims have come forward

23:49

and they've revealed voice messages from Andrew

23:52

saying that he's the most dangerous man on

23:54

the planet, that he choked the victim

23:56

him, and that he raped her.

23:59

his voice, it's his

24:01

words, and it's his message. So

24:04

that to me seems to be very clear evidence.

24:07

In 2016 he wanted

24:09

to be a reality star and he went into

24:11

the Big Brother house, so this is whilst

24:14

that rape investigation was ongoing.

24:17

But

24:17

he was kicked out within days. There

24:19

was a video posted online of him

24:21

beating a woman. Now he said

24:23

that that was consensual but I have to say

24:26

it doesn't look consensual to me.

24:28

But it's more likely that he was kicked out

24:30

of the Big Brother house due to the ongoing

24:33

rape and domestic abuse investigation.

24:35

And it's not just Andrew who was arrested

24:38

for domestic abuse. In 2014

24:41

Tristan was arrested for domestic assault.

24:44

Now Beverage police investigated

24:47

him and dealt with it via an out

24:49

of court disposal.

24:51

Now out of court disposals are supposed

24:53

to be used for minor things to reduce

24:55

caseload

24:56

and they shouldn't be used for domestic abuse.

24:59

But that's what happened in this case.

25:01

And in 2017, Andrew Tate

25:04

wrote on Twitter that women must bear

25:06

responsibility for being sexually assaulted

25:08

and raped.

25:09

I mean, this is just outrageous

25:12

and that's why he was banned.

25:14

Now since Elon Musk has brought him back,

25:17

but was originally banned from Twitter. Also

25:20

in 2017, Andrew and Tristan

25:22

Tate moved to Romania before the

25:24

CPS decision was made. And

25:27

in one now deleted video, Andrew Tate

25:29

admits that he relocated to Romania

25:32

due to what he perceived as the

25:33

country's less stringent laws regarding

25:36

sexual assault. Now I've already told

25:38

you that part, but he also said, and I'll quote

25:40

him, a fucking rapist,

25:43

but I like the idea of just being able

25:45

to do what I want."

25:47

He said, I like being free.

25:50

Now those of you who know me and follow my work,

25:53

you'll know I always say language matters,

25:55

and it's not just what someone says, it's

25:57

also what they do. So having

25:59

Got the

25:59

message that Andrew Tate wasn't going to become

26:02

the next big reality TV star,

26:04

he started a new business.

26:06

Webcams Women

26:09

making him money. And in 2018,

26:12

he started the Pimping Hoes degree.

26:15

And for $450, you could

26:17

get the video course. And on

26:19

the website, he wrote this.

26:22

My job was to meet a girl, go on a few

26:24

dates, sleep with her, test if she's quality,

26:27

get her to fall in love with me, to wear

26:29

should do anything I'd say, and then get her

26:31

on the webcam so we could become rich

26:34

together." And in a now-deleted

26:36

PhD video, he instructs men

26:38

how to convince their partners to get into sex

26:40

work.

26:41

He said,

26:42

"...the only way me and you as a team are

26:44

going to be rich people is if we

26:46

get a bunch of girls to suck my dick together."

26:50

I mean, this guy is a real charmer, isn't

26:52

he? And it's not just what he's doing, it's what

26:54

he's saying and also what he's instructing

26:57

others to do. To go on a date,

26:59

make her fall in love. This is a strategic

27:02

campaign, this is love bombing and

27:04

it's deliberate to gain control and

27:06

to be able to manipulate and then to

27:08

get a woman onto the webcam to

27:10

make him money.

27:12

So he called these his lover boy

27:13

techniques and inverted commas. I

27:16

call it coercive control

27:17

and it is a crime in England and Wales

27:20

and has been since 2015 and

27:22

lover boy techniques, that's also a term that she

27:24

used in sex trafficking.

27:26

So there's that.

27:27

Now in 2021 he did an interview with

27:30

venture capitalist

27:30

and crypto booster Anthony

27:33

Pompliano. Now that interview

27:35

was a podcast and he bragged

27:37

that he had a webcam business with 75 girls

27:40

in different locations and he framed

27:42

his entry into the adult industry

27:45

as his aha moment. He

27:47

said that it was the ultimate life hack to

27:49

subjugate women for profit

27:51

as a way out of the matrix and

27:54

he uses that term matrix to refer to the

27:56

9-5

27:56

grind. So just

27:58

think about that. is aha.

27:59

moment is subjugating women for profit.

28:02

And in 2021, he founded

28:05

Hustlers University. Now,

28:07

he said that he amassed more than 168,000 students,

28:09

which at $49.99 per month would have

28:14

earned him $8 million a month and

28:16

takes recently rebranded Hustlers University

28:19

to the real world last year. Now,

28:21

there was a course that he provided called the War Room

28:24

Course, and you could sign up for $5,000.

28:27

Those who joined were apparently encouraged to

28:29

get their girlfriends to do online sex

28:32

work and give their income to the men.

28:34

And I quote, to look down

28:36

on women,

28:37

to use and abuse them,

28:38

to manipulate them

28:40

and get them to do what you want.

28:42

And in December 2022,

28:45

Andrew and Tristan Tate were arrested in

28:47

Romania.

28:48

Now he tweeted to his five million followers

28:51

that The Matrix sent their agents.

28:54

So he was already putting out there that this was

28:56

some form of setup.

28:58

But there's clear evidence and there's

29:01

also the self-incriminating statements

29:03

that he's made. And I also just want to

29:05

share a little bit of his family history, because

29:08

it's always very important to understand where someone's

29:10

come from and the influence on someone's life

29:13

and their psychopathology. Well,

29:15

Eileen is his mother,

29:17

a hardworking single mother who brought

29:19

up three children,

29:21

Andrew, Tristan and Janine.

29:24

Now Janine is a feminist lawyer and

29:26

women's rights activist and she's

29:28

decided to have no relationship with Andrew

29:30

and Tristan, her brothers.

29:32

Now the father was Emery and

29:35

he was an absent chess playing genius.

29:38

Interestingly, Andrew idolised

29:40

his father who died in 2015.

29:43

He modelled himself and his views of

29:45

masculinity on him.

29:46

And he also, in his own words, described

29:49

Emery as a rough man, a drinker,

29:51

a gambler, and a womaniser who

29:53

spent months at a time away from the family

29:56

to play chess. So

29:57

that's a very interesting description, a rough

29:59

man, a drinker, a gambler

30:02

and a womanizer. And

30:04

as I always say, someone who's a womanizer means that they're

30:06

not emotionally available, which is hugely

30:09

problematic, particularly for someone who's

30:11

in a relationship and who's had three

30:13

children and then decides to be absent

30:15

doing his own thing, drinking and gambling

30:18

and playing chess and not being a responsible

30:21

father

30:21

and not stepping up to his responsibilities.

30:24

Now that says a lot about who he was, whereas

30:28

mum Eileen is hardworking.

30:30

She's doing everything that she can to provide

30:33

for her children. She moves back to the UK

30:35

and she washed dishes. Like

30:37

I said, she'd do everything and anything that she could

30:40

to provide for the children. And

30:42

I want to share just three other insights.

30:45

Andrew Tate, in his own word, said, My

30:47

mother was very much subservient to my

30:49

father, which was a good thing."

30:52

And he said that on a podcast.

30:54

He continued, I think I learned a lot

30:56

of my lessons, I guess on male-female

30:59

dynamics to a degree, from my childhood.

31:02

He said one time when he was six years old,

31:04

Emery returned after more than a month away.

31:07

He and his mum, Eileen, immediately got

31:09

into a row,

31:10

and Emery turned and walked out the door,

31:13

saying to Andrew,

31:14

When you're older, you'll understand.

31:17

Your mother won't shut up. Andrew

31:20

Tate then chuckled and raised his eyebrows.

31:23

Your mother won't shut up.

31:26

So perhaps Eileen was asking her

31:28

husband, the father of three children,

31:30

to step into his responsibilities.

31:33

I don't know whether that was the situation,

31:35

but I would imagine that it probably was, and

31:38

that was his response, and the children

31:40

are witnessing and hearing all of this. and

31:42

it's no wonder that Eileen moved back to the

31:45

UK. And there's another time that Andrew

31:47

Tate talked about where Emery

31:49

had returned and he was very angry

31:51

about the two boys' haircuts, and

31:54

he took Andrew to a barber and he told

31:56

the barber to shave Andrew's head and

31:59

he told Eileen that she was, and I quote,

32:01

raising his sons to be bitches.

32:04

Hmm, what a comment. Who

32:07

does that sound like? Might

32:10

it be Andrew? In many of his videos?

32:13

Well,

32:13

there was certainly one where he's carrying a machete

32:15

and he mimics what he'd do if a woman accused

32:17

him of cheating and he said,

32:19

it's bang out the machete, boom in

32:21

her face, and then grip her up

32:24

by the neck, up bitch. In

32:27

another video he compared women to

32:29

dogs and children. He said he

32:31

preferred to have sex with 18 and 19 year

32:34

olds because they've and I quote been

32:36

through less dick. He even

32:38

appeared to endorse sexual slavery once

32:41

insisting on Dave Portnoy's podcast

32:43

that a woman in a relationship belongs

32:45

to the man and I quote the intimate

32:48

parts of her body belong to him. In

32:50

August Tate was removed from TikTok,

32:53

YouTube and the meta platforms for this

32:55

hate speech.

32:57

Misogynistic, entitled,

33:00

male privilege, coercive control,

33:03

inciting physical violence and abuse,

33:06

all in his own words,

33:08

his own self-incriminating statements,

33:11

the treasure trove of social media where

33:13

it was all

33:14

out there for the prosecutors

33:16

to collect, to analyse,

33:19

and to present to the court.

33:22

So perhaps the judge who's heard all

33:24

of the evidence thus far and who's assessed

33:27

that they are indeed a flight risk and a risk

33:29

to public order due to their notoriety

33:31

and subversive tactics and influence

33:34

and the fact that they appear to be doing everything

33:36

they can to silence the victims might

33:38

have a point in deciding to keep them in

33:40

custody, don't you think?

33:43

What are your views? Let me know. The next

33:45

court date will be the end of April, so

33:47

there's more to come on this case.

33:50

Until next time, be curious,

33:51

ask questions, and always

33:54

trust your instincts.

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