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nobody has heard and twenty two year old

0:02

gabby petito since the of august

0:04

and tonight we're learning could be some new

0:06

in his search to bring her

0:08

home,

0:08

detention

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all across the country speaking

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to gabby's family tonight and

0:16

her

0:23

boyfriend were traveling through moab at the

0:25

time, is part of of their cost, country road

0:27

trip what'd you you find out yeah mark to

0:29

news obtained a copy of that police report from

0:31

milan from august twelfth when gatti potato

0:34

and brian laundry were reported to be fighting

0:36

nearest store their two officers

0:38

responded and a detailed their interactions

0:41

with a couple of in that report now

0:43

one officer summed up his view of the situation

0:45

saying quote after evaluating

0:47

the totality of the circumstances i

0:50

do not believe the situation escalated

0:52

to the level of the domestic assault as

0:54

much as that of a mental health crisis

0:57

now police stopped the couple of arches national

0:59

park last month officers say

1:02

that potato was crying uncontrollably

1:04

saying that she'd been having more arguments recently

1:07

with her boyfriend bryan laundry and

1:09

that she was struggling with her mental health

1:11

police say laundry also detailed struggles

1:14

that he was going through and said that

1:16

he had tried to separate himself from potato

1:18

when she went into a quote manic state

1:21

and tried to slap him officers ended

1:23

up not pursuing any charges instead

1:25

they separated the to potato

1:27

took the van that the couple had been traveling in

1:30

while laundry got a hotel room

1:32

for the night now mo and police

1:34

tell us they are not currently involved

1:36

in the investigation into gabby potatoes disappearance

1:39

in which brian laundry her boyfriend has

1:41

been named a person of interest you

1:43

can read much more and see the full police report

1:46

for right now at k u t

1:48

v dot com live in the newsroom daniel

1:50

woodruff to news

2:01

hey lovely listeners i'm working that's

2:03

a crime analyst in the intelligence south

2:06

i'm going to jump straight back him where i less

2:08

tells us is still mostly covered

2:11

breaking down off the suppress body worn

2:13

cameras started

2:14

just a heads up

2:16

you'll be hearing some of the audio and

2:18

it may be distressing and or triggering

2:20

the discussion

2:22

the advice

2:24

okay so where i left off of

2:26

a surprise told brian to tell his

2:28

version of events to officer robbins

2:30

and he once asked to get gabby some water

2:33

there is some

2:34

in consideration here

2:37

it's a hot day there in the national

2:39

park the fight gabi

2:41

i'm brian went to get water after

2:43

arguing and it turns is a cool

2:46

and they were stopped by police means

2:48

that they must have been pretty the hydrated

2:50

and exhausted when i then i

2:52

mean being upset and fighting is

2:55

exhausting and it's how to be brings

2:57

you out in every way mentally

2:59

physically animation the park

3:02

ranger melissa those intercepts officer

3:04

pratt to ascertain what's going

3:06

on q so asked

3:09

him whether he's worried about

3:11

gabby story pratt

3:13

said he wasn't harper and

3:15

your hose wanted to speak with gabby pratt

3:19

hold her she could talk with her on that

3:21

she seems like a sweet girl listen

3:24

to this

3:34

no hottest girl

3:38

funny see with have been have been have

3:40

of anxiety the

3:43

most famous is the phone and a

3:53

woman

3:54

the remember

3:56

he says she's a sweet girl

3:58

through say recording

3:59

was a prat gabi is

4:02

the primary aggressor

4:04

ranger hose agrees

4:06

that is to me is another beach no

4:08

a blinding glimpse of the obvious which

4:11

none of them questions here

4:13

offers a proud even openly admits

4:16

that he still hasn't spoken with the independent

4:18

witnesses this is just so

4:20

bizarre to me this is the

4:22

single most important thing to do

4:24

to get an independent account of what's

4:26

going on and is why they were called

4:29

they're all the rule

4:31

say different park ranger hose

4:33

spends most of her time with gabby and

4:35

of a surprise is fully aware of this

4:38

they could even more peculiar the he

4:40

didn't consider checking him with her throughout

4:42

the decision making process

4:44

no did officer robbins who didn't

4:47

even know her name no

4:49

i'm curious that it to slit their

4:51

minds what you do not think

4:53

it relevant or

4:56

perhaps it was because she was a female officer

5:00

well whatever the reason is not

5:02

good practice

5:04

how can you conduct an investigation like

5:06

this

5:07

i mean there are four offices he

5:09

spent seventy five minutes at the scene

5:11

there really is no excuse

5:15

the me to shows is not really

5:17

about having enough time

5:19

much more about poor a the site

5:21

management a lack of skills

5:24

and and lack of coordination

5:26

no about me see

5:27

harsh the let me explain as

5:29

i go through there again

5:31

at around the eleven coin eleven

5:34

two eleven point twelve mart brine laundry

5:36

tells officer robbins that he didn't really

5:38

have a phone and as i mentioned before

5:41

he said that his see was being left alone

5:44

the having said that brian then

5:47

loss

5:48

the laugh out loud

5:50

again this is another blinding

5:52

the feeling of the obvious a d

5:54

t a i mean brian

5:57

had the keys and he has her soon

5:59

he was the one in control telling

6:02

her that he was going to leave her there

6:05

no the other way round

6:07

brian wasn't scared copy would go off

6:09

the officer so to question

6:12

bryan on his inconsistency

6:14

this again is why it was important for

6:16

of surprise to direct officer robbins

6:19

to take a statement from both gabby and brian

6:21

separately and for him to have spoken

6:24

with both independent witnesses beforehand

6:26

and obtain statements

6:29

that would have been the ideal and

6:31

then they could have comfort prime

6:33

account couldn't have been challenge instead

6:37

they eagerly laptop everything brian

6:39

had to say

6:40

the even sitting in the

6:41

it is time there was

6:43

roughly forty minutes in please

6:46

stop the office of prat went off the his patrol

6:48

car and spoke with one of the witnesses

6:51

i'm going to do away with a significant details

6:53

here is what was said and what was asked

6:56

a more importantly morton

6:58

us

7:00

are you may say like

7:01

this before but not in this amount

7:03

of detail if i keep saying

7:05

the devil is in the detail

7:07

it's also important for you to hear things

7:09

for yourself to take a listen to

7:11

this

7:12

now that we're not with for them so intensely

7:15

i wanna get emits hundred me what

7:17

it is exactly saw no

7:20

proper yep

7:27

and i noted that the couple

7:31

or

7:35

but it is that like that what i've noticed

7:39

there a problem opera for own

7:42

i wanna say that

8:16

logan mining hundred

8:20

, five

8:23

and job and prodding

8:28

drivers what started over

8:30

his lap or to go

8:34

ahead and then era the hard

8:37

way i would the

8:52

job i have a question but i want

8:55

, as have a gentleman who's already calling

8:57

it involved with no good idea that is

9:00

it off and

9:02

put them separate bomb

9:05

the mail witness said the mail was grabbing the

9:07

females phone and the mail was stepping

9:09

into the driver's seat and he wouldn't let

9:11

her in the van

9:13

she was trying to get in the van and asked

9:15

why he was being mean

9:17

the witness said she sort of hit him play

9:19

two children the something was off

9:22

like a weird vibe eventually

9:24

she crawled into the driver's seat she

9:27

pushed her way in over his lap

9:29

and there in the car and then they don't drive

9:31

off he could he wasn't sure

9:33

about the nature of the argument

9:35

the wasn't sure why she slid across

9:37

the driver's door

9:39

the thought it strange

9:41

okay and yes all

9:43

is this is strange

9:45

the strange enough the not one

9:48

bit too independent witnesses called

9:50

a sin the ready to people

9:52

cool they don't want to get involved

9:55

cool a bystander effect

9:57

the here two men did

9:59

something was off

10:01

by the way when the others cool

10:04

come on behalf is normally because

10:06

it's something significant they've witnessed or heard

10:08

or years reached a certain threshold

10:11

that should have been on these offices radars

10:13

to no to what the witness

10:16

said and i queried this before

10:19

why would gabi slithering three the driver's

10:21

door and push her way to the man's laugh

10:24

what possible reason would a woman have

10:26

for doing this well she

10:28

say see for the being left alone and brian

10:31

driving off in her vom with the war has things

10:33

that she

10:33

lord her way back into the van

10:36

i mean it really is as simple as it

10:38

sounds gabi was trying

10:40

to get her keys and hossain and her property

10:42

from brian

10:43

she was trying to get in heaven

10:45

ryan stop her

10:47

a reasonable person might

10:49

lewd brian with the one causing

10:51

the problem

10:52

lot bob

10:54

hey the mound some brands face

10:56

a new slightly from this insurrection

10:59

daddy trying to get her phone and growth

11:01

in the van and also when he put

11:04

his hands around her face and grabs her

11:06

around the mouth and july

11:08

significantly the witness said another man

11:10

cool to into so it's clear

11:12

that there were two witnesses have a surprise

11:14

should have spoken with

11:16

listen to this

11:18

have you ever see the mail

11:21

strike the female we're

11:37

like in up with the server

11:39

first and aggression towards or was it

11:41

was defensive maneuver

11:44

away from her to get her away from him

11:48

that meant that across the attack

11:50

was unclear what was going on but

11:53

, did you like was given

11:58

time

12:09

trying to oh

12:12

i do you want the whole thing was all

12:15

so no i didn't like

12:18

him after her are getting hurt

12:20

or vice versa there was very very

12:23

kind of white aroma kind of

12:25

life

12:30

as a pit ,

12:32

hot dry mom mom

12:34

he did see her stopping him

12:36

though it sounds it yeah

12:39

like funny yeah it was yeah nine my

12:42

memory is driver

12:49

here in the harm or

12:55

something like that okay well you know your story

12:57

is really really helpful because you're an independent

12:59

witness and we'd just interviewed both of them and

13:02

what you're saying is making everything make and

13:04

lot of sense so i really appreciate that lot

13:06

ran into you and that i was able to get your number of talk

13:08

thank you very much i'm if a

13:10

if if we need to ask

13:13

for a written statement obviously if voluntary

13:16

it's helpful but ask this point i don't know

13:18

if you need to go that far unless you're

13:20

around and super willing at this moment that can meet

13:22

you could stay know island how

13:26

nice okay i

13:29

can go right thing island

13:31

i got now we're

13:38

back where can we find

13:41

you to give you a form real quick about

13:43

ten fifteen minutes the

13:46

thank you houston

13:50

he did it seem like the male was trying to those

13:52

of the passenger side of the vehicle and

13:55

clay's things up and he put the backpack

13:57

on the back of the vehicle and she was

13:59

out

13:59

and trying to get in

14:02

no was the process ha

14:04

that he posted he disregards what

14:06

was said in my opinion

14:09

this have been enough the night old name and for

14:11

officer pratt that he appears to

14:13

made his mind up when he's not

14:15

hearing what's being said the

14:18

witness said something was off on he got

14:20

more strangers he was in the vehicle

14:22

about to drive off and leave her he said

14:24

whilst he was saying this of is

14:26

a prat taught a the him and said but

14:29

you did see her hit him it sounds

14:31

like no that's

14:33

not what he said the

14:35

practice putting words into his mouth

14:37

here and he totally cuts the witness

14:40

off he said he got stranger

14:42

as brian was in the vehicle and about

14:44

to drive off without gabi

14:48

import him

14:50

the to witness said he was in the

14:52

driver's seat and she was source of hitting

14:54

him with an open and like don't be a jerk

14:57

let me in something like that

14:59

pratt said thank

15:01

you it makes everything now make

15:03

a lot of sense and if if he needs

15:06

written statement but

15:08

not necessary unless you're around

15:11

the witness said he lived near and was willing

15:13

and he could write it down crap

15:17

didn't seem interested which is concerning

15:19

funny always get the i'm

15:21

writing a sign statement

15:24

and get it straight away so it's still fresh

15:26

in someone's mind

15:28

the witness reiterated the something

15:30

was off and he wanted to make sure no

15:32

one was in a bad situation

15:35

the case of us poignant he knew

15:37

something was off one is why

15:39

he was cooling off to rule

15:41

the he repeats

15:43

crap is still not even registered

15:45

this

15:46

the me in this exchange it's as plain

15:48

as day

15:50

gabi was victimized not

15:52

brian there was no

15:54

a sorts gabi was trying

15:56

to get into heaven

15:57

brian was controlling her and stopping

16:00

by the way i told you may people

16:03

don't want to get involved in domestic abuse

16:05

cases authors say cool

16:07

they don't always want to give a statement

16:10

importantly this man did

16:12

because he was worried someone might get hurt

16:14

i wonder who he was worried

16:17

about that would be my next

16:19

follow up question unfortunately

16:22

he never found out because office a prop

16:24

miss the opportunity doubtful

16:26

died he was worried about brian

16:29

the man in control of everything

16:31

i'm just throwing it out there now

16:34

if a surprise so press the time

16:36

how about asking one of the park rangers

16:38

to go and meet the witness in gets a statement

16:41

remember this is fourteen minutes in

16:44

they hard time there were

16:46

for them though division of

16:48

labor and tasking and all that is

16:50

important the price

16:52

should have spoken with the second witness to

16:54

see what he had to say

16:56

that he didn't

16:57

the hung up the phone a made a beeline

16:59

straight over to officer robbins

17:02

europe's whatever he's doing and saying to

17:04

let him know that he spoke with one of the two witnesses

17:08

robbins and of separate them will close

17:10

together and they have a com flat the

17:12

proc conveys his refrained

17:14

version

17:15

what a witness said

17:17

namely the despite gabby desperately

17:19

clearing away into the van and brian

17:21

putting her backpack outside the

17:23

gabi was the primary aggressor

17:26

you heard my analysis as

17:28

office of press retelling of what the witness

17:30

said in a previous episode

17:32

now i have some new information i want to

17:34

revisit the part where of surprise is telling

17:37

brian about the site gabi will have to

17:39

go to jail unless there's somewhere

17:41

for her to stay

17:43

the take a listen to this

17:45

he wanted bought a waiver requesting

17:48

, wave on wave of the cada uno

17:50

father lavar tigers and on

17:53

on of the other parties facts

17:56

years ago and any from

18:01

that might help jose if

18:03

you don't drop in the same effect so midnight

18:05

on the fourth and ,

18:08

i give you a protection order a long

18:10

term wonder wonder velvet you want

18:12

you for tomorrow silver

18:15

age requirements for the waiver

18:17

they can remove his and you can say they were yeah

18:19

i were love to figure out

18:21

now we're open up for a job it should have

18:24

the it to go to

18:26

be separate from you were with

18:28

her head coach or health coverage on

18:34

how long

18:37

, will find other

18:43

miles of know what are your way

18:46

up over the paper

18:48

scissors the

18:54

love someone else is on the premises

19:03

i don't want her to go to jail

19:06

the be easy going to fill

19:08

a high guy he said i think

19:10

that goes down from i'm going to have

19:13

a slightly easier since

19:15

he has been so focused

19:18

on the think it's infancy it's was gonna come gonna history

19:20

and entity as if they don't

19:23

consider shoulders

19:25

smith and would have and from his consciousness

19:29

found guilty guilty but

19:32

the charge would decide to sell will show

19:34

up on or from one thousand it's funny

19:37

now people think it was

19:39

the fingerprint and didn't show up either

19:42

way to the salon is

19:44

no way around coffee or this happen

19:48

for they do require fingerprint on say

19:50

so

20:02

reviving the month ago no

20:04

particular doesn't have

20:07

you got out there are any find out a

20:10

, of trouble subito subito

20:14

sense get a lot

20:16

i will require know you're younger i

20:21

don't know anyone is out get been around long

20:27

i wonder i don't get cable and

20:31

in one shot period unified

20:34

are there is a very long as i say

20:37

, three of us embassy drive up in the far

20:40

right summer

20:43

i am a bad says that

20:46

your guide me to go ahead

20:49

the officer robbins off to say

20:51

had money for a hotel and

20:53

he said that he could drop gabi off a

20:55

nation get the citation discharge

20:57

the next morning ryan

20:59

said nothing in response the

21:02

corporate then asked to say new any friends

21:04

there that could help ryan said

21:06

no the officer robbins clearly

21:09

said that gabby could go to a hotel

21:12

they just needed to pay for it still

21:15

nothing from brian now

21:17

i know that he did in fact have money

21:20

$20,000 in his bank of america

21:23

account even

21:24

even if this money was ring-fence for

21:26

something or for an i

21:29

would have thought that this would fit that now,

21:31

in this new life,

21:34

knowing that he had money, he seems

21:36

to be enjoying this a bit too much

21:38

and he's milking every moment of it

21:41

at this point you see that brian

21:43

then inappropriately last and jokes

21:45

about going hiking

21:46

what followed next was the whole blower

21:49

about the van and where the gabi could

21:51

drive her own fun

21:53

talked about that before

21:55

no i believe this is the ultimate punishment

21:57

for gabby he's a born and

21:59

angry making

22:01

you see now how a new piece of information

22:04

that may seem trivial the time really

22:06

does give you a different perspective

22:09

during listening to all of this from office

22:11

approach the only one camera footage as

22:14

i watch officer robbins literally

22:16

blow his nose com

22:17

wow onto the side of the road was

22:20

these for men try an

22:22

inverted commas figure it all out

22:24

the make such heavy weather of all of this

22:27

from the wrong and the telescope makes

22:29

me incredibly angry and also

22:32

incredibly sad

22:34

the national to suppress headed off to speak

22:36

with gabby

22:37

you can listen to this

22:39

when the that the i guess

22:42

, a thought he real quick

22:44

but quick decided some other guy gets monrovia

22:57

that it was a lot of a

23:01

, lot of of his his other

23:05

say when you grow up here

23:08

for full grown man to smuggle

23:10

drugs and other

23:21

you'll probably never me a full grown so

23:27

this when he thinks he can't get any worse

23:29

new lows of reach

23:31

for was suppressed started off the conversation

23:34

they no one day gabby you

23:36

will be a full grown man

23:39

i seriously don't know what's happening at this

23:41

point

23:42

for patronizing and bizarre

23:44

to miss gender gabby like this

23:46

one day she'll be a full grown man

23:49

what the hell was he

23:50

walking about

23:52

perhaps this is supposed to be funny

23:54

gabi was a victim of domestic abuse

23:57

and coercive control

23:58

and she certainly not finding

23:59

is is funny

24:01

i just don't get why officer pratt thought

24:03

it was appropriate why park

24:06

ranger hose was laughing along with him

24:09

it's really not say k on any level

24:11

the professional

24:13

yeah be needed her

24:14

oh no condescension and being

24:16

patronized

24:17

unfortunately it didn't get any better

24:20

from there on out

24:22

listen to this

24:25

ukraine i have a daughter almost

24:28

your eggs and , looking at you

24:30

start cynical disaster disaster

24:33

also have a victim in the sense

24:35

the you're , with some

24:38

struggles dealing immensely injuries

24:41

probably the work themselves out of the older themselves

24:43

a lot of older and i'm and vineyards

24:47

and off we worked so far but

24:51

he did today contributed

24:54

to the both contributed to this is

24:57

as a result of your inability to cope

24:59

with the anxiety in a stuff we haven't put away

25:01

your kind of victims in

25:04

think you would have done better if you had to do you

25:06

better learn skills

25:08

would have to do not have

25:11

lived through get the know how to navigate

25:13

everything like , don't either back

25:15

navigate with happened proposed in your shoes in can

25:17

handle different to them thirty nine years old i've

25:20

been through but

25:22

i'd go live was the thornhill for

25:24

them my dad my grandfather

25:26

not enough the bonomo rising to go bottom

25:29

of the runway i'm just like you know that we sympathize

25:31

with you but you've

25:34

said before the victor witnesses said

25:37

and even based on where you her fiance of medicine

25:40

trying very hard if not have unity trouble

25:44

he does have marks on him that

25:47

witnesses they were caused by the

25:49

slapping him and

25:51

it even you say flaps imminent and regressing

25:54

and first marks it don't have any

25:56

one thing he actually has to

25:58

aggressively felt like the the being

26:01

in , manner that was probably more consistent with trying

26:03

to prevent you from entering the van or he gets

26:05

me me to have fun

26:07

a sales resuming so

26:11

if the tables were turned and he would be no do

26:13

and you're shoving him of course where to look

26:15

at like of course defend yourself away from the

26:17

guy who are kind of looking at the same

26:19

way with him and we have the people here

26:21

even if have the bigger mail and years

26:23

more female the law doesn't

26:25

say hey off the front of robins you

26:27

can treat people different based on gender

26:30

and it says we can even

26:32

if on makes no sense he

26:34

probably could not physically

26:36

destroy this man when he sense be back

26:38

to we can consider saw

26:41

that long went into some gives right now leading

26:43

up to the fact that type of

26:45

i'm all for speeding i have the right to give

26:48

them type warning for have something called

26:50

offseason in in

26:53

the lead places in utah they made warning law

26:55

that if we have in domestic assault they don't

26:57

have to make good decisions

27:01

to make also made bad decisions they

27:03

were going to give you discuss the we're going to write also law that says

27:05

you have a domestic assault weathered male or

27:07

female and male whoever the primary

27:10

grassroots have to be charm

27:13

no choice you know this is good morning as

27:16

male matter of fairly heard it all in the guy doesn't

27:18

want to press charges for the growth of one

27:20

as us are to put we

27:22

literally have no choice he doesn't want

27:24

to press charges press says you better name

27:26

is adjourned ya think the gloves he

27:28

says he doesn't want anything to happen

27:31

but we're it made him we don't have any

27:34

choice and so we're

27:36

going to have were trying to get

27:39

our local victims

27:43

advocacy group of the cave in to

27:45

get but a hotel for the night for

27:47

you can have the bag they won't give you

27:49

the hotel because you're the you're local one who

27:52

the primary aggressive they're getting

27:54

fitter him the be looking to get him on for

27:57

, wants you see the you don't have put a joke

28:00

the we can do a thing wanted to take you know

28:02

he , was so she doesn't have to go to jail than i

28:04

would set in and help know give me

28:07

also on the cheek and have fans was was

28:09

have just when you get

28:11

a ticket in his give your phone number to call

28:13

in or to give you a court date in the court they will

28:15

probably they online probably

28:18

the online online have a smartphone

28:22

so , can either a i

28:27

wonder how that happens if

28:30

we saw i court from in person to we

28:32

for when i go to court now i

28:38

understand what little have we don't have a

28:41

listen if i had an impressive this i

28:43

would separate you guys today and every morning

28:45

for stopping by

28:48

lawfully don't have the first

28:51

surprise goes on about how he

28:53

could handle it differently because he

28:55

was thirty nine years old

28:57

you say said the gabby see and say

28:59

was trying to not have her in any

29:01

trouble

29:03

lord have mercy i mean give

29:05

me strength here

29:07

brian did not try and

29:09

help gabi

29:10

not once

29:11

he threw her under the bus literally as

29:14

the opportunity the third

29:16

she was crazy

29:18

he lied he didn't tell the truth

29:21

he didn't offer to pay for hotel room

29:23

twenty thousand

29:25

the for his disposal

29:27

now i believe he revelled in the fat

29:29

the offices believed him

29:31

the surprise

29:32

the he spoke with one witness

29:34

the not know what he said

29:36

i know see cavan did not see

29:38

gabi as the primary aggressor

29:40

officer corrupted they're

29:43

making a to see then based on what

29:45

he told them

29:46

brian was not going there so she

29:48

didn't have to go to jail

29:50

brian could have point happily paid

29:52

for her hotel room

29:54

the chances are gabi didn't even know

29:56

that if she paid for a hotel room herself

29:59

and then

29:59

brian the next day to that

30:02

was one of the options on the table

30:04

then she didn't know about it

30:06

any talked with brian about

30:08

the options

30:09

gabi was just so distraught

30:11

she was so overwhelmed with what

30:13

she was hearing

30:15

the she was the perpetrator and

30:17

that she would have to attend court

30:20

when you've know had any contact with

30:21

enforcement this is all pretty scary

30:24

stuff corporate

30:26

told her this the i'm brian should stop

30:28

hitting each other the for me

30:30

here it leaks out the officer present

30:32

news that this wasn't an assault

30:35

i don't believe he'd say these things

30:38

if he really thought that the person the he was

30:40

talking to gabby was the

30:42

abuse also in the

30:44

state of utah strangulation is

30:46

a criminal offense

30:47

that's what he should have charge prime with

30:49

in my opinion

30:51

he didn't click the evidence he didn't write

30:53

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30:54

he missed the offense

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now the next bit is a hard listen

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in response to caddies question about to witness

32:59

of a surprise explained that there were two

33:01

witnesses and as stories much

33:03

stop and that she was the primary

33:06

aggressor

33:07

the disappoint gabby becomes even

33:09

more distress she started

33:12

crying more and seemed overwhelmed

33:15

again it's worth underlining

33:17

here the officer pratt had only spoken

33:19

with one witness

33:21

the witness did not say that gabi

33:23

was the primary aggressor

33:25

no i've looked into the

33:26

dominant primary aggressive or in utah

33:29

then i believe that it was misapplied

33:31

here there are forty considerations

33:34

for identifying the predominance is

33:36

a coup aggressor on the utah's door

33:39

one prior domestic violence

33:42

who assessment of injuries

33:44

as being offensive or defensive

33:47

in nature three

33:49

assessments a future harm and

33:51

for consideration of self defense

33:54

and or defensive property

33:56

these for things need to be evaluated

34:00

no i didn't hear any discuss

34:01

then about it nor did they documents

34:04

it they also refer to gabi

34:06

as the primary aggressor fighting

34:08

his statement that she hit

34:10

the

34:11

if i said you

34:12

nor is not a primary aggressor law

34:15

and the first person to hit is not necessarily

34:17

the predominant

34:19

i said before is my billie surprise

34:21

injuries were no slightly defensive in nature

34:24

gabi was trying to get her property

34:27

in other words as i said before

34:29

brian

34:30

it all of this because he was

34:32

control

34:32

gabi and knocking her out of her

34:34

than

34:35

the were threatening to take her phone and

34:37

threatening to leave her there gabi

34:40

on the other hand was defending her property

34:43

and or go even on the utah

34:45

law she was not the predominant

34:47

aggressor

34:49

the fab

34:49

the focuses on the physical

34:52

that's a big problem for me and i'm

34:54

going to say lot more about that too

34:57

surprise stated he spoke with two

34:59

witnesses who cooperated that

35:01

she was the problem

35:03

i'm going gabi heard that she

35:05

he defeated separate

35:07

again said brian was trying to keep her

35:09

out of trouble

35:11

like i said

35:12

it seems to me that the opposite

35:14

was true

35:15

another like

35:16

the moment missed by officer pratt

35:19

then he's sweet and distraught gabi

35:22

told him that they're a team

35:24

the she doesn't want to be separated from

35:26

him that it would give her anxiety

35:28

she said i knew she would pay

35:30

any ticket to just please

35:33

give her a driving or parking

35:35

ticket pay for here

35:37

this is the opportunity for a surprise

35:39

to tell gabi that as she could pay for a hotel

35:42

than that was

35:43

sit on the table two

35:45

cause gabi should never have been in the

35:47

situation in the first place because she

35:49

was the victim but i'm just playing

35:52

a towel

35:53

prof in my opinion should have

35:55

said exactly what he told brian perhaps

35:58

he should have told her bryan said

35:59

the had no money to pay for the hotel

36:02

he could have to gabby you

36:04

can stay the hotel for the night and

36:06

the next day you can sort out the citation

36:09

that office a prat never gave gabby

36:11

this option

36:13

why not

36:15

instead of a surprise said his speak

36:17

with his supervisor and see what

36:19

else they can do and see if his missed

36:22

anything

36:23

they can listen to this

36:25

my i don't have anything to

36:29

, him then is what you couldn't

36:31

get closer all masses all were

36:35

the nicely aggressor and

36:37

the the injuries and has caused injuries your

36:39

aggression towards him even

36:41

he doesn't feel hurt as much as charges

36:43

is nothing any cop knew about nothing into

36:45

the law normally

36:48

we think people to jail for he's trying to

36:50

work diseases have he's man tomorrow

36:57

having signed work

37:00

north america

37:08

thing have can do is call my supervisor

37:11

see if i'm missing something here supervisor

37:22

for i'm don't think i'm

37:25

going on in

37:30

a minute okay

37:32

really is

37:33

king heavy weather at the to

37:36

why

37:37

in my opinion is also unnecessary

37:41

the phone email perpetrators were dealt with this

37:43

robustly and women's trauma was

37:45

taken seriously

37:48

the was he goes with his big old man size

37:50

water cooler to speak with a supervisor

37:53

acting chief palmer listen

37:55

to the conversation

37:57

so

37:59

in a little girl pointing result

38:03

slapped her boy

38:05

say that the i say several times you

38:07

go a bit of a on

38:10

your business has

38:12

like a in

38:14

my job they

38:17

gotta do a van and drove off got

38:19

a call them by two different mothers

38:21

one color and than a with it doesn't

38:24

, stop story

38:26

from the witnesses matches with soy from the female

38:29

mass storage the storage she

38:31

was piss off you haven't rough day

38:34

he tried to separate from her she's not

38:36

same way from hands as severe hands

38:38

problem is also

38:40

the van gogh for walk into law she's

38:44

forcing a way to the van flein are way

38:46

past them into flein van to be

38:48

with him is shoving

38:50

hurry to get her out of the band he's not assaulting

38:52

earth nothing and

38:56

clapping everything she

38:58

, be one hundred and five hour soaking

39:00

wet point two full of anxiety

39:03

have a really tough time time

39:06

making excuses for a mean it is written

39:08

code we do have a domestic assault domestic know

39:11

why you still very

39:13

adamant does not want to pursue a remove

39:15

my little happier for have a discussion

39:17

for the thing where give him a

39:19

thing contact were let the kids

39:22

if they didn't have a hotel for she can help prepare

39:24

for the plot put in jail i'm

39:28

really struggling with the idea of being alone

39:31

and now with him and him am in the van they

39:33

want to be together i

39:35

told that is not anything is can do this

39:37

is all residents african statue the

39:42

glass a i can do call supervisor see where

39:44

, such a minor minor

39:46

like a slap fight and there's the injuries

39:49

from a finger now i just don't know if

39:51

it's worth the whole domestic

39:53

thing or not or with going to get in trouble for don't

39:55

do it this way

40:00

well

40:02

they don't want to but i told them that

40:04

, i get some cause permissions

40:07

either way i'm pretty sure that

40:17

the

40:28

domestic assault charge would think about that

40:38

well i mean it

40:44

all thing it

40:47

there are ways of doing things of

40:49

like this i mean it's so minor

40:56

i'm gonna go really sad to see

41:00

, it but workers away

41:02

doesn't fit and if i can can

41:04

a way that because it really it the

41:08

spirit of the law is being lost

41:10

on the form on brilliant so

41:13

anything i can so nothing else

41:15

separated , like the not i

41:19

think thing

41:24

okay let's break this down as it's important

41:27

corporate said

41:29

the tiny little girl twenty

41:31

two years old flaps her boyfriend

41:33

several times and has a tiny

41:35

abrasion on his jaw they

41:37

got into the van and drove on

41:39

one cool him one witness

41:42

the read how's his version

41:44

to the supervisor

41:46

he said gabi was pissed off

41:48

no she wasn't pistols she

41:51

was fearful as he was going to

41:53

leave her in the middle of nowhere he

41:55

just wanted to be in the van

41:58

moody her faith play

42:01

the corporate said she had an inverted

42:03

commas severe anxiety

42:05

no she just had anxiety

42:07

i'm that level of and

42:08

for t is not really surprising

42:11

given what's been going on

42:13

pratt said she needed to cool

42:15

off

42:16

no brian threatened to leave her there

42:19

and he was in the van having put her backpack

42:21

outside the van

42:23

the price said he was shopping her

42:25

to keep hero

42:27

no it doesn't sound like that was happening

42:29

to me brine drops her by the mouse

42:32

to shut her up and flex his paw

42:34

don't have a suppressed

42:36

said she was punching slapping

42:39

everything that's

42:41

know what the witness said the witness

42:43

said there was no punching when she

42:45

was just trying to get in the van

42:48

this is simple

42:48

and as is not accurate what

42:50

he's saying to supervisor and the

42:52

supervisor is the check and balance

42:56

report said he'd go to be

42:58

a hundred and five pounds soaking wet

43:00

when he to sort of anxiety

43:03

and having a tough time

43:05

they had no

43:06

the question see cave and was involved

43:08

so that she could have the van and it's written

43:11

into statute he said

43:13

importantly he said it's so

43:15

minor

43:16

there he admitted that too

43:19

he told a supervisor nothing about

43:21

brian's hand david cabbies mouth and

43:23

nose

43:24

nothing about risk

43:26

just that it was minor

43:28

the m by saying that he can read the

43:30

statue he said and

43:33

i quote the spirits of the law is

43:35

lost on this one

43:37

yes i would say that was one hundred percent

43:39

accurate

43:40

so you can now see how cotton

43:42

today's to get the facts right

43:45

what is to document them and

43:47

the evidence

43:48

story telling also plays a

43:50

part how an officer conveys

43:52

what has taken place to supervise

43:55

and masses

43:56

that's why to dash risk model is so helpful

43:59

it catches

43:59

all this information

44:01

why we say to people that i train

44:04

this is your decision will

44:06

surprise supervisor acting chief palmer

44:09

wasn't given an accurate picture of what's

44:11

happened and that's a travesty

44:14

the checks and balances are

44:16

you the supervisor they're there for

44:18

a reason that's why we same

44:20

training supervisors miss supervise

44:23

it's their job

44:25

they to must ask the right questions

44:27

of the officer again

44:29

underlines why it's important to supervise

44:32

as a trained by experts in domestic

44:34

abuse coercive control stalking

44:36

and risk assessment

44:37

you cannot afford to get it wrong

44:40

not one

44:41

the coffee's ready our life and death

44:43

situations

44:46

pratt then has a discussion with officer

44:48

robbins robbins is

44:50

looking through the passenger window

44:52

the problem reads out the statute

44:54

and is trying to make sense of the legislation

44:57

i'd like to hear it for yourself

45:00

listen to this

45:01

by physical pain

45:04

illness or any permanent physical condition

45:09

oh

45:13

that you didn't have an impairment

45:15

of physical condition

45:20

not in pain or

45:22

, okay okay far

45:25

as you are those is like you know either domestic

45:27

it's all code is there there's to protect

45:29

the both versus the reason why they don't give special

45:32

anything if we assume a time limit

45:34

her out her want to go back

45:36

there of user i just wanted him to stop

45:38

and they don't want to have to be separated they want to charge

45:40

and on hotel and then they had of getting worse

45:42

and worse or treatment and then

45:44

of and killed in

45:46

no way shape or form the

45:48

shape for see what

45:51

happened here a see slap fight

45:53

between the

45:55

author who love each other want to be together can

45:58

i perceived then i digress for

46:00

situation where he's going to be a better man

46:03

fine but then again at on festival

46:06

sounds like it they are smarter as

46:09

they succeeds to see if there's any way to

46:11

does go

46:14

less than what we then

46:16

, full horse

46:18

domestic assault route right and

46:22

just look i mean either go all the

46:24

way or you don't like cable under

46:26

what circumstances can like not really the only time i

46:28

cannot as if it doesn't fit the

46:31

fence that is in the wild and you have to do it for

46:34

one that i looked at the code

46:36

it salt because this is an assault

46:38

hamptons message though cause you

46:40

to code

46:43

now you rebel held his think of how valuable

46:46

to , it up and read at word for word

46:49

festive on what you're doing is going to get evaluated by

46:52

by , who cares a lot

46:54

cares a were different

46:57

assault is an attempt with i'm awful

46:59

quarterfinalists your bodily injury to quarterfinalists

47:01

so to see if he said

47:04

to to bodily injury to said he

47:07

was heard was it was it

47:09

him intention to do him bodily injury

47:13

now that we have to find out because

47:15

injury bodily injury is that

47:19

by to physical out illness

47:22

or any impairment of physical condition got

47:26

a definition real care pain

47:28

is result was we care about the content if

47:33

she's not intend to cause

47:35

him pain or illness or because

47:38

him impairment

47:46

of physical condition was it has

47:48

an attempt to ask for

47:51

when , doesn't do something something

47:53

intense do intense if i intend

47:56

to buy attempt to get a basketball hoop

47:59

i have and your

48:02

, is complicit with assembly line

48:04

so so

48:07

was her entire sentence yasir

48:10

what was your intention when you were platinum

48:13

and she says you wanted to hurt

48:16

or refill workers physical conditions

48:18

then there's nothing we can do one

48:22

way toward of my be hey when you slap

48:24

him are you intending to cause him physical

48:29

, pain was

48:31

it was scared of illness that message of a physical

48:33

pain or impairment of his physical his veterans

48:36

answer is that what you are attempting you do

48:40

with it was over here it an attempt are

48:43

you attempting to cause him pain or an apparent

48:45

physical condition wherever she answers that

48:47

question will feel her face privilege

48:50

you know her attacker course you can be

48:52

true for asking her

48:56

i'm going to break it down

48:59

pratt cool did a little slap fight

49:01

between two people who love each other

49:03

and asked the question

49:05

i i could see he will become a busted

49:07

man

49:08

the case right here he knows

49:10

that bryan is

49:11

not about his man he's

49:13

not a victim of domestic abuse gabi

49:16

is not a risk that he

49:18

says he doesn't have a crystal ball the

49:20

you spoke with the assistant chief to see what

49:22

other options they have the

49:24

only option not to do it is when it doesn't

49:27

say good lord a really

49:29

doesn't sit on all the signs of

49:31

be missed and all the bg

49:33

eyes the know me i the

49:35

of him saying to look up the law especially

49:37

if you're going to be evaluated by a court

49:40

who cares a lot about words the

49:42

news you heard me say current crime analyst

49:45

words matter if they really

49:47

do and you'll continue to hear me say

49:50

that a lot the here of a surprise

49:52

becomes fixated with intent a

49:55

the gabi intended to the bodily

49:57

injury to brian

49:58

robin

49:59

this is yes she went to smack

50:02

him no

50:04

gabi didn't that are you trying to get

50:06

in the van he wanted the keys

50:09

and her phone that officer robbins

50:11

than said brian how to swollen eyes

50:14

no he didn't literally

50:16

making things up at this point they

50:19

didn't go and speak with gabby ranger

50:21

melissa hoses stood by the patrol vehicle

50:23

gabby isn't

50:25

robbins opens the door

50:27

for properties

50:29

that her and takes the lead

50:31

the closer to think very hard

50:33

before she answers he started

50:35

by asking about what her intense

50:37

and was why does she intended

50:39

to home brian when she slapped him

50:43

take a listen for yourself

50:45

that was

50:49

how you asked a question is going to determine what

50:51

happened

50:56

they very hard for us requests

50:58

do not

51:05

are

51:09

you attempting cause him

51:11

physical pain or physical impairment

51:13

without what you would have things will

51:16

, over your testing who

51:19

is the reason behind flapping

51:26

hi

51:37

on a plane you're gone up watching

51:39

the way

51:42

pratt trace it to have to robbins

51:44

it doesn't sound like she intended to

51:46

injure him

51:48

it's a hundred percent your cool

51:51

the so casual about it you

51:53

cool for me

51:55

is clear the officer robbins was not comfortable

51:59

the thing is with

51:59

lacking on the open door

52:01

he looks away

52:04

separate told him he'll support him

52:06

either way

52:07

i need them walks off

52:09

officer robbins follows

52:11

he said he didn't know what to do as gabby

52:13

openly admitted striking him in the

52:15

arm what ranger melissa

52:17

hose appears and have is nearby within

52:20

earshot

52:21

her body worn cameras position sent

52:23

from the on her chest looking right

52:25

at officer pratt

52:27

robbins said that gabby striking

52:29

him is what course brian's hit the

52:32

curve no officer robbins

52:34

is talking about when he pulled the major in the

52:36

van there it clear to me now

52:38

they're talking at cross purposes which

52:40

is extremely problematic this

52:43

wasn't address to ensure that they

52:45

rule on the same page gabi

52:47

had already explained this and said

52:49

that they were being pulled over and that she

52:51

didn't grab the wheel ranger

52:54

hose said that she admitted to distracting

52:56

brian in inverted commas because

52:58

he wasn't listening to her importantly

53:01

we have to remember the police were called due

53:03

to domestic violence and action where

53:06

the gentleman was slapping the female

53:09

i'm whereby gabi was prevented from getting

53:11

in her own van

53:12

they were not cool because brine hit the curb

53:16

the crap than sums up in the most

53:18

confusing way take a listen

53:20

to this

53:24

a modern and another account

53:27

for modern

53:37

or maybe i'm recording

53:40

on society ever ,

53:42

not he he one

53:44

hundred percent healthy percent and

53:47

her fiance who have no who separated

53:50

he democracy me separated have more

53:52

than nothing at all

53:56

i i don't

53:59

the letter of the was not

54:03

, but i also don't care

54:05

of literally done possibly make

54:07

perfect sense to go go

54:09

domestic assault and is over the

54:12

europe

54:16

i'll support you either way

54:20

pratt read out some of the statute

54:23

and importantly not the full

54:25

statue he said he was

54:27

recording on society

54:29

judges everyone can judge him said

54:31

this my goodness how pathetic

54:34

he reiterated that gabby was one hundred

54:36

and ten pounds see mail they had

54:39

no means to be settled

54:40

it

54:41

they did because brian had

54:43

twenty thousand dollars in his account brian

54:46

kept quiet about it brian

54:48

doesn't want to pursue it gabi

54:50

was not a threat to brian then

54:53

officer pratt said something incredibly

54:55

bizarre i'm i'm going to quote it

54:57

directly

54:58

he said day i don't

55:00

care if we use the out to letter of the

55:02

law to not charge

55:05

i also do not care but

55:07

is it literally does possibly

55:09

make perfect sense to go sit

55:11

on domestic assault and do the

55:13

whole thing this is your

55:15

opportunity to make the decision clear

55:19

as mud right like what

55:21

does he even mean this

55:23

officer is supposed to be a mentor

55:25

a supervisor laughing

55:27

been fed officer robbins seem

55:30

to take something from it and says

55:32

well actually you should live

55:33

the to what he says yourself listen

55:35

to his response

55:59

any problem with it

56:06

though i would make a

56:12

, difference everything

56:14

to everything my

56:17

given complete them norway

56:20

to receive gifts noted are not sure

56:22

if you have enough or something and you want inside

56:25

the have want inside

56:28

court i'm not joking

56:34

i can get to break this down

56:37

robin says let's do

56:39

this

56:40

taking your advice let me do a crime

56:42

report i went site had right now

56:44

are sensitive to the city attorney for them

56:47

to screen it's and make a decision

56:49

yeah she said county attorney an officer

56:51

pratt corrected him

56:53

the me is clear

56:54

trying to be respectful to off a surprise

56:56

there's also evidence he doesn't

56:58

really know what he's doing he

57:00

doesn't want to make a decision the

57:03

officer prop advised him not to do that

57:05

censored the if they strongly disagree with

57:07

your decision and for a complete set you might

57:09

hear about it in a very negative way the

57:12

told him to make the decision himself

57:15

under this point park ranger hose chimes

57:17

in and said and said be thing

57:19

for a decision

57:20

i made them for a decision i didn't

57:22

make

57:23

the prop said especially if

57:25

they think he will completely necklace

57:27

in in your decision

57:29

he said why give it to them

57:31

your any give it to them if you're not sure if you have

57:33

enough or something and you want them

57:35

to decide if you have enough

57:38

that off a surprise said his support him

57:40

even if they go

57:41

the all the way to jail

57:43

gonna cool comes in over his radio

57:45

and he said he had to go that

57:48

seems somewhat short lived in terms

57:50

of support take a listen to this

57:53

i'm in a lot

57:56

of

57:59

what would you clothes

58:02

on and will handling that guy so

58:05

, about about

58:08

your if and

58:10

six one and happen i

58:13

mean is i had a letter writing

58:16

another option is another arguments over the

58:19

long as they find themselves

58:21

together didn't want as suffer from

58:23

didn't have enough

58:25

has always been suffering

58:28

on him

58:30

surprise was now telling him

58:32

that he didn't to charge gabi

58:34

the whole range of whoa said you com babysit

58:37

them

58:37

then she let them know step back in the park

58:39

camping there's a prat ended

58:42

by saying of the robbins was capable

58:44

and that he had help there and he trusted him

58:47

and he gives him a slap on the back

58:49

that was one of the crisis hold back said i've

58:51

seen

58:52

firstly of

58:53

the so hung up on arresting gabi

58:55

and explain the more than two occasions to

58:57

her unto others how he wasn't able

58:59

to treat her any differently from a man beating

59:01

his partner

59:03

it also told officer robbins that he'd be

59:05

there for him and then promptly jumps

59:07

in his patrol car and goes

59:10

leaving a perplexed officer

59:11

hoping he's clearly out of his debts

59:14

we park ranger hose that the side

59:16

of the road he becomes

59:19

of the proper shouted over his shoulder

59:21

call me if you have any problems

59:24

he then yelled out

59:25

our window thank you guys

59:27

the helping us we appreciate you

59:30

the of he drives just like that

59:32

leaving a trail of confusion in

59:34

the reflection of his wing mirror

59:37

the rest you know from my deconstruction

59:39

of officer robbins body worn camera

59:41

footage they're having stop

59:43

the van due to brian's concerning

59:45

behavior and officer pratt

59:48

having started the conversation with gabi

59:50

saying that they would see people who

59:52

saw him punching

59:54

pratt same fold his

59:56

this report stating no

59:59

one reported

59:59

the males struck the female

1:00:02

he identified gabi is the primary

1:00:04

aggressor i'm blamed her

1:00:06

serious anxiety and inverted

1:00:08

commas

1:00:09

robbins agreed and his report

1:00:12

on wrote is hop as a inverted

1:00:14

commas mental health crisis

1:00:16

or not a domestic assault

1:00:19

yeah obese mental health crisis

1:00:21

the rd was no