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Pop Culture, Other Podcasts, and

2:01

on this episode, from the missing

2:03

Clara pockets to the infamous goose

2:05

ganker. Only one podcast

2:07

host can solve the case. He's

2:10

never made a podcast. He's a documentary.

2:13

But he's also never made a documentary.

2:16

We'll revisit our favorite true crime

2:18

parody, Dunn disappeared. Joining

2:21

me to get that done and more is true crime

2:23

author, TV journalist, and host.

2:25

Although these are their stories podcast and

2:28

snow blowing hero, my husband and

2:30

love of my life, Kevin Flynn. Hello, Ken.

2:33

Hello, Rebecca. Alright. So, Kevin, we

2:35

are revisiting a classic, tell

2:37

us about our review of Dunn Disappeared.

2:40

Yes. So you'll remember we actually did

2:42

Dunn disappeared twice. We did

2:45

season one and season two.

2:47

And these were both short reviews,

2:49

so I'm gonna put them together today. I mean,

2:51

you have to remember that each episode

2:54

of Dunn disappeared was about ten minutes long.

2:56

Yep. Season one came out. We talked about

2:58

it in December of two thousand seventeen.

3:00

Wow. And then season two came out May

3:03

two thousand eighteen. I'll point out that

3:05

when we did season two of Dun disappeared,

3:08

it was the same show where we reviewed Callifade

3:10

Toof. So It's

3:13

kind of funny about which podcast

3:15

had more fiction in it. I

3:18

remember this was you know, before

3:21

only murders in the building around the same

3:23

time American Randall came out and there

3:25

was, you know, another, like, parody

3:27

podcast. I think it was The

3:29

onion and the cracked magazine. The onions

3:31

were and, you know,

3:33

the ones that we decided, the ones that worked

3:35

the best as comedy were the ones that

3:38

were not snarky and

3:42

dismissive of the true crime genre.

3:44

It was the ones that really embraced it and

3:46

found the humor within it? That's

3:48

right. And so, you know, Dunn disappeared,

3:51

I think, was and because we can't forget

3:53

the very special episode of Dunn disappeared.

3:55

In which they parried crime writers

3:57

off. That's right. And that's where we

3:59

got Bobby

4:00

Tall. And

4:01

it was just like a a whole clip

4:03

of somebody laughing. Right?

4:06

That was yeah. That was

4:08

you.

4:08

Oh, man. So apologize in advance

4:10

to our friend, Kay Lindsay, who, of course, since

4:12

we become Great friends with cents.

4:14

Well, let's let's focus on this again,

4:17

and we're gonna play for you back to back

4:19

our reviews from season

4:20

one. And then season two of Dunn

4:22

DisappEAR. Let's move on to our first

4:24

review of the evening. Never

4:26

gonna talk about a very

4:29

tiny podcast with some

4:31

very big laughs at least in my house. This is

4:33

a mini review because each episode

4:36

of Dunn appeared is only about ten

4:38

minutes long. Last week, you

4:40

heard me recommend this podcast, Dunn disappeared.

4:42

It is a parody that cures, citizens,

4:45

loot three, and the pedantic cases

4:47

and tropes that make up the lesser entrance

4:50

of the True Crime Podcast genre.

4:52

Undone disappeared, the do it yourself investigation

4:55

is run by a clueless protagonist who

4:57

goes by the

4:58

name, John David Butter,

5:00

and Could he ask more rhetorical

5:03

questions?

5:03

Could he ask more rhetorical questions? I

5:06

looked in the mirror and spit in my reflection,

5:08

ashamed of what I'd become. Kept

5:10

asking myself, where

5:12

was Clara? Where had

5:14

she gone? Would she be

5:16

found? Would I find

5:18

her had she been found? So

5:22

first question for you, Laura Bricker. Is

5:24

John David Potter the greatest podcast

5:26

toast ever or just the very

5:28

greatest podcast toast

5:29

ever. What do you think, Lauren?

5:31

Well, here's what I know.

5:33

I think he might

5:36

be the very greatest

5:37

podcast host ever, but I'm gonna have to talk to

5:39

some people first. Right. Think about that for a while. You don't

5:41

have to, like, get on the case. So you put out something on

5:43

our Facebook page and get some clues.

5:46

Yeah.

5:47

I might have to go down into the basement and

5:49

have some quiet time and think about that. Well,

5:51

that one obviously was a joke question. So,

5:53

Kevin, can you talk a little bit about what this podcast

5:56

really is

5:56

about. I I forget the joke the joke question out

5:58

of those. And folks remember last week that

6:01

this was your recommendation for a

6:03

Thanksgiving listen Basically,

6:05

it revolves it's a fictional podcast

6:07

that revolves around a missing woman from nineteen

6:09

eighty

6:10

seven. The only clue is that she left

6:12

behind a tiny birthday

6:14

cake. In

6:15

a parking spot. In a parking spot. In a really wiggly?

6:17

Yeah. And, like, you know, there's a lot of

6:19

questions about whether this cake is big enough to

6:21

feed anybody. You know, I think

6:24

we said it last week maybe I think I was I said it

6:26

last week for what American Vanderbilt did for those

6:28

true crime documentaries. This does

6:30

for true crime podcast that it it

6:32

scares a lot of the conventions. And

6:35

the writing is just so

6:38

earnest and quick.

6:40

The humor is quick. You probably

6:42

don't even have to be a fan of true crime.

6:44

To get the writing. But there's there's a lot of

6:46

sort of inside jokes that are going

6:48

on. But

6:48

it really helps if you've listened up and vanished

6:51

because that is the primary target, I

6:53

think. I think that's sort of the source material

6:55

on this bike. But they're also pulling in things

6:57

like undisclosed and

7:00

true crime garage and

7:02

Zurich. Somebody

7:04

who sounds like

7:05

Yrec, you know him. You love

7:07

him the searcher. It may

7:09

have been Yrec. was pretty

7:11

close. Oh, yeah. I

7:12

don't think any of us are gonna walk away unscathed.

7:14

What I know is I am just waiting for us

7:16

to make our parody cameo So

7:19

seriously, Toby, is this parody slash

7:21

satire little True Crime Podcast

7:23

working for you? What do you think so far with the writing

7:25

and so forth?

7:26

Yeah. I I definitely like it. Like a lot

7:28

of these things, I think it, you know, it hits

7:30

like eight or nine out of ten

7:32

of the times that it it tries something. It's

7:35

definitely clever. It definitely,

7:38

I think. It's definitely, I think. That's

7:40

great. You sound like

7:42

John David Butter? Exactly.

7:45

I totally ball believe that

7:48

he picks up on some of the same subs I think that

7:50

we have in the past and, you know,

7:52

and and does a does a funny job of poking

7:54

fun at it and especially sort of the passive

7:57

take that sometimes some of these

7:59

podcasters take in approaching

8:01

their cases. So, like, he goes for

8:03

a couple weeks and then he gets a Facebook message

8:06

from somebody with just like a bunch of

8:07

bullshit. It was a few weeks into

8:09

the investigation. And a number of

8:12

people had called our tip line to recount experiences

8:14

they'd allegedly had with Clara. Like

8:17

Jennifer Feniger, a New York City

8:19

professional woman who'd taken a French class with

8:21

Clara here in Davis Town, Pennsylvania.

8:24

Oh, sure. I remember Claire. Pockets. It

8:26

was hard to miss her. She had those piercing

8:28

blue eyes and those limp dishwater

8:30

blonde locks walking around

8:32

with the labored gate of an old

8:35

there. Of course, I remember her. What

8:37

happened to her?

8:38

Actually, as matter of fact, she she'd done disappear.

8:40

My

8:41

god. And, like, but that's his big

8:43

break. Mhmm. And that's it's sadly

8:45

apt. Yes. Yes. I think it's funny

8:47

because some people start listening and

8:49

they don't immediately know whether

8:52

this is for real or not. It really

8:54

hit me, a, that this was a joke and

8:56

that it was super funny when it starts

8:58

off. This is John David Butter by saying,

9:00

my name is John David Butter.

9:03

I'm not a podcaster. I'm a filmmaker.

9:06

I've never made a

9:06

podcast. But I've also

9:10

never made a film. And I've also never made a

9:12

film. No. And

9:14

then he talks later that episode about

9:17

for my next and first documentary.

9:19

Yeah. But that's with

9:22

the right. It just it's boom boom. It's little things

9:24

like that. Like, he he always talk about

9:25

this. This is what we know about the crime. Here's

9:28

a recap of everything we know so far.

9:30

Clara pockets went missing on October

9:33

nineteen eighty seven. On

9:34

October nineteen eighty seven.

9:36

And that's it. That's the end of the run dinner with him.

9:38

No. No. No. Laura, what are the things that I

9:40

love about the show first off? I I just

9:42

to make the comment that these episodes are very

9:45

short. And -- Yes. -- I have

9:47

listened to each of them, like, three times

9:49

each And every time I listen

9:51

to them on that you hear new things,

9:54

every time you listen to your episode again, there

9:56

are so many tiny jokes. Like

9:59

wedged in between other jokes.

10:01

The way that he uses audio, for

10:03

instance, if you listen to

10:05

the audio he does at the phone calls, you know, there's

10:08

been speculation on some of these

10:10

crappy True Crime Podcasts that phone calls have been

10:12

faked. And he does the phone calls

10:14

in a way that sound like they've

10:16

been fake, but they also sound like they may not have been

10:18

fake. It's a very nuanced, like use of sound,

10:20

it's sound design in this super

10:23

crappy sounding parity of

10:25

a super crappy

10:26

podcast. Hi. This is John David

10:28

Butter, the host of the upcoming True Crime podcast.

10:30

Dunn disappeared with me. John David Butter. Am I

10:32

speaking to Michael Waller? This

10:34

is she. Hi, Michael. I got your voice

10:36

mail saying that you may have information about

10:38

who took flower

10:39

pockets, why she disappeared, where she might be, and

10:41

how? Is that true? But

10:44

one of the things that I love the most about

10:46

it and Laura, I want your thoughts on this

10:49

is he isn't just

10:51

parodying the content of

10:53

these horrible True Crime Podcasts. He's also parodying

10:56

the business model and how they are on social

10:58

media. What do you think of the way that he's doing

11:00

that? And the various ways he's

11:03

trying to extract money from his listeners on

11:05

this show? I think it's pretty historical. You know,

11:07

because I love how quickly it's happening. After the

11:09

first ten minute episode, it's like, well, after

11:11

our success of our first episode, now we're gonna

11:13

have TV show and or now we're gonna be

11:15

going on a tour and

11:17

Now we're gonna be on Stitcher Premium.

11:22

You can only hope because I might

11:25

I I would actually pay to hear

11:27

him a week ahead of time. It's it's so

11:29

funny. And what's great is also, you know,

11:31

people that maybe don't know. Like,

11:33

I get all the references because I know exactly

11:35

what he's kind of making fun of.

11:38

Well, not kind of what he is making fun of.

11:41

Yes. But I was so we listened to

11:43

this on our way to Thanksgiving last week, and

11:45

we were able to listen to the first three episodes

11:47

because they were short. And so I had my husband

11:50

and son in the car. And they don't

11:52

know anything about True Crime Podcast besides

11:54

what they hear from me. And they both found it entertaining.

11:56

So, like, the rest of the day, my son's

11:58

walking around be like, you know, John David Butter, because

12:00

he's John David Butter, and I think he needs a meme.

12:02

Is there a meme of John David Butter? Because I think

12:04

there needs to be a

12:05

meme. So I think it, you know, it appeals

12:07

to us because we know all these

12:10

little specific instances, but, you

12:12

know, it's just funny. Yeah. No. I agree. And

12:14

one of my favorite things that's really come to

12:16

life as result of the show is the meta

12:18

around the show. The social media

12:20

around show is super clever. There's

12:22

an official Dunn Disappeared Facebook

12:24

discussion group. And everyone

12:26

on it is just earnestly talking

12:29

about the podcast. As if it's a real podcast,

12:31

it's hilarious. John

12:33

David Butters alleged

12:35

John David Butters responses on

12:38

social media to negative reviews

12:40

of the show. Some of which have been

12:42

left by devotees of a particular other,

12:45

not a podcaster's podcast. have left, like,

12:47

zero star reviews with horrible things like

12:49

You know, there's nothing funny about this podcast.

12:52

And John David Butter will say, you're

12:54

right. There is nothing funny. Clara's disappearance

12:56

is very

12:57

serious. It's the only thing we should be

12:59

focused I think what were you

13:01

said? Most people will kidnap die within

13:03

the first thirty years. They're

13:05

disappearing to twenty eight

13:07

years. We still have two years. You only have

13:09

two years left to find Clara Pocket.

13:12

Clara Pocket.

13:13

Clara. Yes. This

13:14

pronunciation of her name is like a whole other

13:16

thing that Oh, really? Yes. Well,

13:18

that sounds like a weird thing,

13:20

Laura, that people

13:22

that podcast are able to tell you

13:23

that my best friend growing up

13:26

was clara. So it was Clara

13:28

and Lara or Clara and

13:29

Lara. Yes. So I did pick up on

13:31

the pronunciation. But it's funny. The length

13:33

is really important because like a good joke, it should

13:35

be brief. Man, it doesn't go on each

13:38

episode doesn't go on so long that it becomes

13:40

belabored. He is moving it around.

13:42

He's changing. This scene goes to that scene. So

13:44

this is like one long joke. That

13:46

he's, you know, trying to squeeze out as many one liners

13:48

as he can in a certain scene, moves it

13:51

along, ends the episode, then you're ready to

13:53

go on to the next one when it when it comes up.

13:55

So I think the pacing and the size of

13:57

it is actually part of the the key to why

13:59

it's so

13:59

entertaining. Oh, I'm dying for the next

14:01

one when one ends. Like, when I saw that episode

14:03

four came out today, like,

14:05

I immediately emailed all of you. And I

14:07

was like, it's loud. It's like, it won't refresh.

14:10

There are very few podcasts these days that I feel

14:12

that way about. Like, I'm so excited little,

14:15

like, backstory. I may or

14:17

may not have been in touch a little bit

14:19

with man behind the

14:20

scenes. A man known as John David Butter, does

14:22

he live in your house? That's what

14:23

I wanna

14:24

know. God. Oh. So you're under

14:26

the age of twenty living in your

14:27

house. So so many people have

14:29

asked me whether it's when it's someone

14:31

Whether it's a lance, someone else, we

14:34

know. No. It is not. It is somebody,

14:36

though. Who is a listener

14:39

to all these things and who knows people we

14:41

know, but is completely

14:43

new to this. This is the thing that I love so much about

14:46

this, is that John David Butter

14:48

is in real

14:48

life, not a podcast.

14:50

No. Not out him. Who's just really

14:52

doing a great job making it to? Yes. So so

14:54

I have a quick question for you, Kevin. I

14:57

don't wanna give away the joke of

14:59

what these are, but how does

15:01

one get away with doing fake

15:03

ads for real products in

15:05

a podcast?

15:07

I mean, think it's part of the parody in the satire.

15:10

Yeah. So, you know, legally, you're

15:12

protected. As far

15:13

as, like, giving away, like, Go to

15:15

use this backslash and this code. And

15:16

get a hundred percent off. You got a hundred percent.

15:18

You can't use the code. There's a the code doesn't exist.

15:21

He made it up. Right. So when you use code,

15:23

John David

15:23

Butter, at Squarespace.

15:25

At Squarespace so that no one can ever find your

15:27

website

15:28

or That's funny. That is the Squarespace ad

15:30

is goddamn funny. All the

15:32

Only part because if you've ever used Squarespace, you

15:34

know that when you create the ad, unless you

15:36

buy, like, the

15:37

URL. First create your site. Yeah. The site

15:39

is, like,

15:39

alpha lavey dot blah blah blah dot

15:41

com. Hyphen lavey backslash 56271

15:45

or square, but, you know, yeah, no one's ever gonna

15:47

find that. And this you you what is you'll

15:49

get forty percent off whatever is

15:52

CWO space. It just craps

15:54

all over. They were all real

15:57

real bits except for big box

15:59

of shit.

15:59

Yes. Get big but that I

16:02

lost it with that one. This

16:09

week, one of all of our favorite

16:11

podcasts made its triumph and return

16:13

for its second season. We are

16:15

welcoming back our favorite fake

16:17

true crime podcaster John David Butter

16:20

taking on another

16:22

fake, unsolvable solved case,

16:24

and then disappeared season two.

16:27

The year is nineteen eighty. Jimmy

16:30

Carter is our president. Minimum

16:32

wage in America is three dollars and ten

16:34

cents per hour. Ray

16:36

Romano has just begun to make

16:39

it a decision to seriously pursue

16:41

a career and stand up common. And

16:43

John Lennon is shot to death

16:45

outside of his hotel in New

16:47

York City. That case

16:50

has never been solved, but

16:53

that's another story.

16:55

So our friend John David Butcher takes his back

16:58

to the eighties for this case

17:00

to take a look at the case

17:03

of the Davisville goose ganker

17:05

and There's

17:08

a lot of hysterical wood here that's just as

17:10

cutting as in season one, but one of the

17:12

things that came up today

17:14

was that it turns out that this case,

17:16

the Davisville Goose Anchor, is

17:19

similar to a real life case

17:21

that Toby Ball was exposed to.

17:23

Come on.

17:24

In his real life, Toby, what

17:26

are you talking about? So the

17:29

the parallels are eerie. So

17:33

the town I grew up in

17:35

Manlius, New York, We

17:37

had a Swan pond to the middle of

17:39

town.

17:40

Manlius to New York. Oh my god.

17:42

Manlius, MANLIUS.

17:44

Okay.

17:45

It's

17:45

like the neo classical thing, like, there was

17:47

a general manliness.

17:48

We don't care. Keep going.

17:49

Tell us more about the pun. You don't wanna

17:51

hear about John Nelius. There's no I wanna There's

17:54

a big story. It's a swan swanky.

17:56

It's a swan swanky. Oh,

18:01

okay. So anyway, the the swan

18:03

pod is like the symbol of

18:05

our town. Like, Buddha says,

18:08

our cobs have a patch with

18:10

a swan on

18:11

it.

18:12

No shit, really? Yeah. We

18:14

traditionally have a very good soccer team.

18:16

That plays on a field that's quite a ways away

18:18

from the high

18:18

school, but it's right next to the Swan pond. So

18:21

anyway Did

18:21

a civil war icon found your town?

18:24

I don't believe so. Would be great

18:26

story if he did though. But what

18:29

happened was and this actually happened in the eighties

18:31

as well is some

18:34

Jesus. Jesus. Like, Wait. Wait. I'm

18:36

gonna download one of these tracks. I'm gonna drop it

18:38

in right here.

18:43

Alright, Toby. Keep telling the store break. And

18:46

and then some kid in in the in the town. This

18:48

is when I was in college, I think. So

18:50

it was in the eighties, went to the pond and

18:52

actually decapitated two of the swans.

18:54

Well, and he was, like, a big deal.

18:56

And people wanted to, like,

18:59

hang him from the from

19:01

the lamppost insert town. I wanted to

19:03

tar and goose feather him. Exactly.

19:06

But obviously, you know, he was like a

19:08

clearly a troubled kid and all

19:10

this stuff. So anyway, but that that

19:12

that did

19:13

happen. So when I was listening to this, there was a little

19:15

bit of PTSD going on. Oh, wow.

19:17

I have to say this is kinda similar to the

19:19

story that Fireman Ken told me tonight. What?

19:21

I think

19:21

we could find some clues here, people. What

19:24

was this about? Fireman Ken told you. Well,

19:26

so we are listening to this this is like my

19:28

second time because I was like, oh, we have to listen to this

19:30

again and the way back from dinner tonight.

19:32

And Ken goes, I have a goose

19:34

story. I shot a goose

19:36

once and my cousin chopped

19:39

its head off after I killed it and sent

19:41

it to his girlfriend. Whoa.

19:44

So I'm telling I think these

19:46

could be connected. Should we just break out,

19:48

like, person's name? Because I don't want that person

19:50

to be, like, found on the Internet and

19:52

vilified.

19:53

Yeah. His his cousin's kind of a weirdo.

19:55

So, yeah, it was a there's

19:57

a lot of goose things

19:59

happening. Currently,

19:59

John David Butter found a pretty hot case.

20:01

I I so the the John David

20:04

Butter then disappeared parity.

20:06

Mhmm.

20:07

I have confirmed, and I this is a

20:09

fear that I have had because you know that,

20:11

like, I find this podcast especially

20:14

hysterical. Mhmm. In a way

20:17

that perhaps matches with

20:19

my unhealthy feelings

20:22

about paying Lindsay and the resentment have

20:24

about his stupid dougie. But

20:28

I feel like a lot better. Something

20:30

happened today that made me feel like

20:32

just so much better about this. As you know, I'm on a

20:34

slate podcast. Right. Cold mom minute

20:37

or Friday's parenting podcast. And the

20:39

people who make these slate shows are, like,

20:41

legit professionals. We have, like, slate

20:44

writers, slate competitors, you know, you've met

20:46

some of them in my lab. Yeah. So much smarter than

20:48

we aren't, so much cooler than we are.

20:50

And the producer of the slate podcast

20:52

that I

20:53

I'm on connected with me today,

20:56

and he had his username on the thing,

20:58

John David Butter.

20:59

Yeah. And I clicked on it, and I was like, oh, he wasn't

21:01

on computer. He was like, oh my god. It's

21:04

brilliant.

21:05

But just felt like, yes,

21:07

I'm not alone. It's brilliant. No.

21:08

People really like this podcast.

21:10

Really, really freaking brilliant for background

21:12

music. I go out on a limb and

21:15

I have to live up to Patrick. It's the most fucking

21:17

brilliant podcast I've listened to all

21:19

year. It is. It is genre.

21:21

It is. Now, this is Kevin, the season

21:23

two is currently a set of Atlanta monster. Right?

21:25

It is. Yeah. I mean, it's certainly taking lot of

21:27

the notes from that

21:30

podcast.

21:31

Like,

21:31

what kind of notes is it taking from that podcast? Well, I mean, mean,

21:33

I mean, like,

21:35

a case that's already solved. Once

21:38

again, I took to Google and scoured the

21:40

Internet for cold cases that took place

21:42

here in Davis Town, Pennsylvania. That's

21:45

when I had an epiphany. I

21:48

had already solved one cold case,

21:50

but what I hadn't done was solve

21:52

a case that wasn't cold at all.

21:54

Case that had been closed for decades.

21:57

Obviously, John David Butter is to

21:59

paint Lindsay, what, weird out

22:01

Yankee Vic, was to Michael

22:02

Jackson.

22:03

The other thing, just like, let's put all the

22:05

Palynzi, parody stuff aside.

22:07

Let's please. Yes. What I love about this podcast

22:09

the ideas behind the parody are creative

22:11

and satirical. As we mentioned a few months

22:14

ago, the onion put out a true crime parody

22:16

podcast that I thought was inferior, done

22:18

disappeared, who's done disappeared

22:20

even does, like, with audio, what

22:22

bad true crime podcasts do? Like, it's not

22:24

making fun of good true crime

22:25

podcast. It's making fun of bad

22:27

true crime podcast, and that's funnier.

22:30

They

22:30

made fun of us, by the way.

22:31

It's just funnier.

22:32

That's what you're saying.

22:34

But like the music And the sound is The music

22:36

was really good this time. I liked how

22:38

we had a lot of music at the end when we had

22:40

the questions like who was he? This is the

22:42

story of one of the most prolific criminals

22:45

in the

22:45

history of the country. You

22:46

know, that's when we knew that there was a ganker

22:49

on the loose.

22:49

And a series of crimes that shocked

22:52

the world. Snatching them

22:54

up right

22:55

out of their backyard. Just pulling them

22:57

right out, leaving nothing but dusted feathers

22:59

behind.

23:00

They're really hilarious. What happened? And we had

23:02

this very like, eighty synthesizer

23:05

music in the background. That was a very nice touch

23:07

this

23:07

time. Laura, what do you think about John David Butters

23:10

frightening medically mysterious weight

23:12

loss and that now his head is so big for his body

23:14

that he has to have a special brace.

23:16

Are you worried about him? No.

23:19

It's funny. We had a whole conversation about this

23:21

in the car because my son really enjoys

23:23

John David Butter. So we're listening to it. He's

23:25

like, mom, What does that mean?

23:27

And I was like, well, it's like the last sentence

23:30

where he had to go talk about humility

23:32

and and things like that, and he's like,

23:34

oh, So, I mean, I wanna

23:37

see some pictures. I wanna hear some more about

23:39

his new lifestyle. Sounds like he's

23:41

got some new women friends. Mhmm.

23:43

But I have to say the biggest this is

23:45

the part that was the biggest outrage on our car

23:47

trip while we were listening to this. We finish

23:49

it, and my son's like, Mom,

23:52

we're Johan, Johan, Johan, Johan,

23:54

Johan, Johan,

23:58

Johan, Johan, Johan, Johan, Johan,

24:00

Johan, Johan, Johan, Johan, Johan, Johan Sberg is. And he said,

24:03

JJJ mysteriously disappeared

24:05

and is presumed dead and murdered. Mhmm.

24:07

But right now, I have to focus on this

24:10

decades old case that is already

24:12

solved. Thank you for your support.

24:15

I like how he said, like, but I wanted to focus

24:17

on something that was more personal to me.

24:21

I have to say the attention to

24:23

detail that the podcaster known

24:25

as John David Butter pays, not only

24:28

to the actual podcast

24:30

audio, because let's just think about

24:32

the montage audio here at the beginning. Right?

24:34

There's this amazing setup and

24:37

I because I am a professional podcast

24:39

reviewer, was privileged to

24:41

hear the first episode of gender

24:44

superiority too in advance -- Mhmm.

24:46

-- as you know, Kevin. And I

24:48

received the episode and I

24:50

started listening to it in the kitchen

24:52

at my computer and made

24:54

the mistake of taking a drink as

24:57

I was in the first ten seconds of the episode.

25:00

And as soon as that montage guy

25:02

said

25:03

We were a scare. I

25:05

literally, like, did a spit take.

25:08

Of my water. But

25:10

I will say that the attention and detail that

25:12

John David Wooder pays in a social media post

25:15

that they do with the vintage photos of

25:17

the goose pajans. Mhmm. And then

25:19

also he did a Reddit AMA last

25:21

week. And the Reddit

25:23

AMA was so committed

25:26

to the character and the storytelling and

25:29

the style of this podcast. Kevin,

25:31

can we ever aspire to be this good

25:33

of a storyteller?

25:34

No. We cannot. We

25:37

definitely cannot aspire. Aspire

25:40

--

25:40

Mhmm. -- to be that good of a storyteller. Because

25:42

he just hit really good at telling stories you like to

25:44

listen to him. So

25:45

Kevin, I think there's a lot more to cover. Right?

25:47

Yeah. Cover believe, like a pair

25:49

of Bamba socks.

25:50

Oh, yes. Bamba socks. Baby, look what I'm

25:52

wearing right now.

25:52

You have your Bamba socks on? Yes. Bamba.

25:54

can't wear shoes in the studio. I can only wear my

25:56

Bamba Well, they're comfortable and warm.

25:58

BOMIS makes getting active, more

26:01

comfortable with socks that support you,

26:03

breathable t shirts that keep you from overheating

26:05

and underwear, made to make you

26:07

move. Now, I gotta tell you it's a

26:09

baseball season beginning, and I'm gonna

26:11

umpires, and you can't tell,

26:13

but underneath all that plastic equipment.

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Yep. It's all Bama's stuff. Yeah. Bama's

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helps, you know, keep me comfortable

26:21

with the t shirt and their underwear. I know

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we love the Bama's underwear. And I don't know if you noticed

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this, but, like, with their running socks, they

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have a left right one, so they're contoured.

26:29

Mhmm. So that, like, they won't slide around. And

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they also have gripper socks. Yeah. So you can,

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26:34

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didn't have time to do. I'd, like, pulled it

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Well, circling back is a great secret

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27:26

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27:29

and working out like all that stuff that

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episode of crime writers on?

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On Monday, we're talking about podcast. You

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didn't see nothing. And then Thursday,

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hearts. I can't wait. Alright, Kevin.

29:44

That does it for us. Right? Yep. On

29:47

behalf of all the music in the

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guess I gotta say that on behalf of all the crime writers,

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thanks so much for listening. We will catch

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you. Later.