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this

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is the story of allen greenberg

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you know the story no i haven't heard

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what many give you a little background on allen allen

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was born on june twenty third

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and then can eighty three any

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or

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cute josh in sandra

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greenberg josh was a pair

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dynasty and sandra was a

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dental hygiene

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our know your only child and

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they just adored her she described

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as a girly girl

2:52

the always smiling

2:54

calvin high school and after

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graduating from high school she added

2:58

three from penn state and

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communication

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in two thousand and and love in which is one

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story takes place

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when you seven year old allen lived with

3:07

her twenty year old fiance

3:09

named samuel goldberg

3:12

written a two bedroom apartment

3:14

in venice loft apartment complex

3:17

which i guess is on flat rock

3:19

road in philadelphia

3:21

the band together for three years and

3:24

they had become engaged

3:26

the summer before in two thousand and can

3:29

you plan on getting married august

3:31

thirteenth of two thousand and eleven

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they were going and it's really big wedding at hotel

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hershey

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hershey pennsylvania

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the time on had earned a master's degree

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in education and she was working

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as a first grade teacher at the

3:45

i think it's pronounced juliana part

3:47

academy for she been employed for three

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years and sam worked as

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a television producer

3:53

january twenty six and two thousand

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and eleven school got out early

3:58

because the weather was bad there was is

3:59

hard northeastern storm that

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was gonna hit philadelphia

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ride home before noon

4:07

and that a sam was home to

4:09

it went on a sixth floor of their

4:12

apartment complex and around for

4:14

forty five that afternoon

4:16

them went go to the gym and

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that was in the apartment complex

4:21

the same building but it would a gym

4:24

in venice last

4:25

when he returned home around

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five twenty five he's on the door

4:29

was locked he used his keys

4:32

you get in

4:33

would he couldn't because the latch

4:36

on the inside it was it's latch it

4:38

prevented him

4:40

from accessing it through such pounding

4:42

on the door

4:43

he doesn't get any answer

4:45

the call the allies

4:47

don't have been get an answer then him against

4:49

taxing are and these are the taxi that

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hello

4:53

there is back

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open a door numbers that

4:56

what are you doing

4:58

no it

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getting pissed

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no rick back

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hello

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again

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no refined

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the better have an excuse

5:09

then you write what the fuck

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and if last taxes ah you

5:13

have no idea

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and i believe these text messages took

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about

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while many

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after getting no answer from her

5:22

he went to the apartment complex

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lobby and he found that there was a security

5:26

guard work in there i think he was working the front desk

5:28

his name was so happy and sixty

5:31

seven years old

5:32

them asked fill if he would help

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on break the lock

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the get in said i yeah can't get into

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my

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he would ideally

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like yeah i can't help

5:44

you break in santa ends up going

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back upstairs and breaking

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into the apartment himself

5:51

when he died

5:52

the finds of fiance

5:53

one on the hardwood floor

5:56

the kitchen

5:57

he's wearing a gray purple hooded sweatshirt

5:59

gray sweat pants and are ago

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close she'd been wearing when he laughs

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maybe forty five minutes earlier and

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she's covered in blood

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then have nine one one the

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call comes in

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thirty three

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yeah

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and i'm gonna play the coffee guy

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where

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are , are just block fi obliged

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to answer don't worry blood everywhere should

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sort of warcraft forty six

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hours later on grocery store was

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no one one

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is a house or house oh

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no is

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reportedly what oh no or

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three times leaves the bleeding from seattle

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know you charles

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after com your top down in order to

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get you some out

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i'm sorry i'm sorry she i don't i'm

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looking right now see

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how was i can see can return shouldn't

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those wasn't broken mr tweets alleys

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they don't know which is bleeding from can only

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shot something

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they tried to your head of a shooter adventure

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he might have followed the you know what

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boy dollars

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on a table or is her face a little purple

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okay hold on for three four

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they on a farm

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inside if i'm a sports journalist yeah that's

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not just forty , o one

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flatiron group please hurry yeah

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my like yeah my my i went

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downstairs coworker i came back up the

7:38

doors the lashed like fiance's

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inside she wasn't she wasn't answering so

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after and after half hour i decided to break it

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down it see her now just on the for the

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border she's got she's not responding

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okay she breathing

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right

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i needed a calm down

7:55

his you look at us as well

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i really don't

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recently however why are

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bad

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daughter

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khatami if is all up and

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down up and down

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i don't see we're moving out

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of the cpr i don't

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are you a digital payments on it gets

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there aren't you to keep

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okay

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fine with me over the phone

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so take i just i have to right

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okay to get her back they are

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her chest

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the pressure

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var tyre

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our trees

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freak , started to say uncharted

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territory not not will

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come off as his as to

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stab efforts where she

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felt alive on over next week you know

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it was freaking

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out of her hundred or

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so i say i just so i'm always

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go on say don't know

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they want

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okay daughter started what

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are you know what i do

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you can is that life is our it says

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it's gonna be can are few to see cpr

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decide

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oh my goodness

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look at seven

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says

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they are you pay forty six zero

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are flat right right yeah okay

9:15

some was on away in away nice as soon as that

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right side

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, her house

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that chess or way original

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on a way out

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i tried oh my god she's

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twenty seven

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that any self analyze our

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right

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on that may see that bad thing

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a warmonger

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years but whatever

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you can analyze the so that that are

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how far a feel for a one and

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the works

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like

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anything

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agree i can't

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believe this year with

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our the average only ones here

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nord family lives

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i i went downstairs

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to work out to max

10:19

out your door was latched onto

10:21

it wasn't like usually was watching

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no

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no no no

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that of a breeder

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try

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to break a flash bus

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to get in

10:39

edited out

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most

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of our yard oh my god i

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and i'm i'm on call

10:50

that was a wild ride i

10:53

know what i'm so

10:55

confused

10:56

let me tell you a little bit more about what

10:58

happened

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emergency response team com right

11:02

away they enter the apartment

11:04

he was declared died she

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declared dead pretty much right away

11:09

when they found or she was slumped against

11:11

a cabinet where their shoulders and neck

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resting on at them and

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and twelve and a half in surrey did

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knife was embedded ten

11:20

centimeters into a chat

11:22

the waves were out in front of her

11:25

he went up mean played on her now

11:27

she was in she had a white towel

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and are left hand it was a white kitchen

11:32

towel her right hand had blood on

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it

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and it was in a closed

11:37

the mood best condition

11:40

nobody were taken to the medical examiner's office

11:42

and please of course are investigating

11:44

the scene

11:45

the couldn't find any signs

11:47

of any

11:48

sort of the intruder only

11:50

the dog broken latch on the

11:52

door me by sam robbery

11:55

didn't appear to be a motive as that was

11:57

money laying out

11:58

in the apartment they had three laugh

11:59

one way still sitting on

12:02

a kitchen island it was sound

12:04

find any signs that she

12:06

try to run away or escape from anyone?

12:09

like nothing was in disarray

12:11

blood was only found in the kitchen

12:13

area i'm a countertop was

12:15

a a bowl of blueberries and a

12:18

freshly caught orange

12:19

the think they were to clean

12:22

night

12:23

the autopsy was conducted

12:25

on allen the next day by the philadelphia

12:28

medical examiner ellen's body

12:31

had so many stab wounds

12:33

that i read the autopsy

12:35

they had labeled the wound a

12:38

b c

12:39

the way down to the letter

12:41

the

12:42

oh my gosh

12:43

at a lotta wound

12:45

or fact below her neck

12:48

were eight different knife wounds

12:50

some of them were only

12:52

a quarter of a centimeter jeep

12:55

they were buried deep at all but

12:57

one of on was for

12:59

and

12:59

the and the other one it was just

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by her heart there were too

13:03

deep stab wounds to her abdomen one

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pierced her liver

13:07

now because really weird

13:09

there were can wound

13:12

i phone to the back of her neck

13:14

and when i say back of her neck and hugging just below

13:17

that caroline in that

13:19

area damn were

13:22

three inches

13:24

pretty deep yeah that's pretty deep

13:27

on her abdomen for right

13:29

leg or arm shit eleven bruises

13:31

and they were described as being in various

13:34

stages of resolution on

13:36

her scalp there was a six and a half

13:38

by one centimeter caught that

13:40

went through her skin all

13:42

the way

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indoors doubt encode all

13:46

she had twenty be diablo

13:49

hadn't been to the back for neck

13:51

as i sat right below her hairline and

13:53

one of those wounds actually injured

13:56

her spinal cord after the

13:58

odd have he didn't matter

13:59

the founder declared for man or a dash

14:02

homicide so a homicide

14:04

department gotten ball

14:07

one hundred i detected they are reviewing everything

14:09

the scene is still secured

14:11

the noted that most of the blood was confined

14:13

to the area where allen was

14:16

mostly under her body there

14:18

is too small areas of blood

14:20

spatter on the granite countertop

14:23

above where she was found there was a little

14:25

more blood splatter on the cabinet

14:28

that she will found leaning against but

14:30

there was really no other blood in the apartment

14:32

the counter was quite cone nice flat

14:35

by the think

14:37

the will over on it's side

14:38

the nice found in allen match

14:41

one of the missing knives from the block

14:44

of course question sam

14:46

and our neighbors neighbors

14:48

are they didn't hear anything besides sam

14:51

pounds

14:51

the door

14:52

they pulled the cctv

14:54

footage from the

14:57

apartment complex and the footage itself

14:59

only shows the entryway the building

15:02

they didn't sell anybody strange

15:05

coming in and out there

15:07

were no other cameras around

15:09

not on her floor or anything

15:11

to examine the

15:13

with the only entrance then i'm guessing

15:15

okay i don't now good clashing

15:18

i'm guessing they also like examined

15:20

the key saab name fall and

15:22

it in a match what sounds sad

15:25

the indicators in appear that there

15:27

was any defensive wounds and own

15:29

and bodies like you would expect from someone

15:31

who's being attacked by a nice

15:33

the up close and a knife for

15:36

sent for dna testing they didn't singer

15:38

print the knife that they did send

15:40

it for dna testing and the only

15:42

dna they found on it was our

15:45

they stated earlier

15:47

one and family on the sixth floor

15:50

they looked at the balcony and remember there's

15:52

a major snowstorm and

15:54

the balcony is very small it was

15:57

narrow and there were so much snow

15:59

on it that it clear to

16:01

investigators that no one had

16:03

ban on that balcony and as

16:05

i mentioned none of the furniture was disturbed

16:08

allen's laptops were found in the bedroom

16:11

authorities it began looking more and more

16:14

like alan may have actually

16:16

killed herself why

16:19

think about it

16:20

there's no find of an intruder

16:22

the radio robbery there's no

16:24

defensive wound

16:27

then they didn't find any drugs or anything

16:29

our system like she was drugged for store

16:31

the not while there were some rise in

16:33

her system but i will get to that okay

16:36

her friends and family had noticed a change in

16:38

her behavior about maybe six

16:40

weeks earlier she seemed very

16:43

anxious she was normally a very bubbly

16:46

happy person when i questioned

16:48

her about it just kept saying that

16:50

her work was giving her anxiety

16:53

or she say over and over again i don't want to talk about

16:55

it and really strangely she

16:57

asked her parents in

17:00

december if she could move back home

17:02

with them and their harrisburg pennsylvania

17:04

how of course or parents asked

17:06

why would you want to move back in

17:09

with as you have your fiance you're planning

17:11

this beautiful summer wedding she

17:13

said it had nothing to do with sam she

17:15

just wanted to come home and she didn't

17:17

wanna talk about it antoine

17:20

sandra urged her to see

17:22

a psychiatrist

17:24

then she did this within the beginning

17:26

of january

17:27

he would prescribe zoloft but

17:30

she didn't like how it made her feel the

17:32

kaiser three months after berman and

17:34

she ended up seeing dr berman three times

17:37

the fire her january twelve january

17:40

seventeen

17:41

then are in nineteen

17:43

that she was originally prescribe zoloft

17:45

and a low dose of xanax

17:47

that our didn't like how those

17:50

drugs meter feel

17:51

though she asked the doctor

17:53

for maybe something different and the doctor

17:56

prescribed her ambien does she was

17:58

having trouble sleeping and

17:59

hi patty

18:01

during her visit

18:03

where doctor berman she discussed

18:05

how she felt overwhelmed with work the

18:07

with complaining about having trouble with

18:09

some new school district regulations

18:12

and that she was having a few difficult student

18:15

that she didn't get nk any

18:17

real that about it and i think

18:19

it's interesting cause she's teaching first grade i

18:21

was gonna say isn't teaching elementary

18:24

kids yeah he expresses

18:26

his she had no thoughts of suicide

18:28

in when it came to talking about say i'm

18:31

selling had positive thing to say about

18:33

i'm of course the psychiatrists

18:35

ass are you being abused and

18:37

she said no we don't

18:39

have any five these are fine

18:42

she just kept saying she's one

18:44

with work and she was just having severe

18:46

anxiety

18:48

the i think were there any drugs in her system

18:50

the only drawn that they found that an attack

18:52

how do report were ambien

18:54

and quantum

18:55

the and they didn't find that she'd abused

18:57

them in any way

18:59

during her last office visit with doctor

19:02

berman the doctor noted that

19:04

allen seemed quote way better

19:07

and own had told him on that

19:09

she was feeling really good with a

19:11

new madison

19:12

four days before her

19:15

that

19:16

one mailed out save the date

19:18

cars

19:19

for her wedding

19:20

the friends and family

19:22

the result of learning all the things about her anxiety

19:25

and no one altered dna been found and the noise

19:28

and the door being locked from the inside

19:30

homicide detective became convinced

19:33

that alan had and he

19:35

committed suicide even though the medical

19:37

examiner

19:38

had he was homicide

19:41

there's no no by the way left

19:43

by alan what they believed were that

19:45

these shallow puncture wounds to

19:47

allen's body were cast or

19:49

hesitation wound they urged

19:51

the medical examiner his name is doctor

19:54

as boring to change the

19:56

manner of death to suicide

19:58

that remember there was

19:59

spinal cord injury and

20:02

that concerned doctor osborne

20:04

how could she have possibly stab yourself

20:06

and attack

20:08

if her spinal cord had been

20:10

injured bother him so much

20:13

that before is willing to change the manner of does

20:15

he wanted or opinion about the spinal

20:17

cord

20:18

the we reach out to a

20:20

the doctor named after work add

20:22

ons a neurologist any asked

20:24

her to look at the injury

20:26

but instead of having her come over

20:29

to the medical examiner's office

20:32

after i was born walked a

20:34

section of on spinal cord

20:36

basically like in a jar

20:39

over to doctor work at on

20:42

in a very heavy snow for

20:44

an informal quote curbside

20:47

wouldn't an will this is weird

20:49

it's very strange right yeah

20:51

very very strange that

20:53

work at and didn't use a microscope

20:57

he said the him

20:59

according to data are born that the dura

21:02

for the sheath covering the spinal cord

21:04

quiet but not the spinal cord itself

21:07

which would indicate that allen would not last

21:09

motor function and she want to ban paralyzed

21:12

from the injury instead it it would adjust

21:14

probably closer to feel numb

21:17

which would allow yourself to stab

21:19

her sophomore

21:20

there and not feel anything

21:23

we believe our stab yourself repeatedly

21:25

left standing near the cabinet and then slid

21:27

down to the seated position on the floor

21:30

where she was found by sam what

21:32

a weird way to kill yourself eventually

21:34

doctor osborne agreed to reverse his

21:36

original decision of homicide any

21:38

change allen's manner of death

21:41

to suicide did he did

21:44

mind our parents wrangled

21:46

the idea that killed herself her

21:48

mother had spoken to on a phone that

21:50

morning that morning she died and she

21:52

seemed fine she was actually on her way to school

21:54

oh and called a mom and she seemed

21:57

fine she texts your friend around

21:59

noon

21:59

being happy that school got hour early

22:02

ship didn't sit well

22:05

with her family and they really

22:07

want more information

22:09

hey angela paying for a copy

22:11

of the allen's autopsy report photos

22:13

of

22:14

body at the scene the madam

22:16

alexander's investigation report

22:19

and they sent it to the very famous

22:21

doctor cyril watch

22:24

so well known you madam right at frankly

22:26

i met him a crane can he's like

22:29

ninety years old and he has always

22:31

book

22:32

i believe he was one of the first people who challenge

22:34

the single bullet theory of jfk

22:36

assassination yeah he gave a talk about

22:38

it a crime plan that i went to oh

22:41

well before i tell you what his can

22:43

where we're going to take a quick

22:45

break

22:51

read doctor matches report

22:54

in it he notes that multiple

22:56

suicidal stab wounds are

22:58

very rare and they're usually

23:00

associated with multiple

23:03

cuts on the wrist or multiple

23:05

cards on the throne i'm

23:07

tied to suicide you'll see hesitation

23:10

slices or caught cause they are

23:12

putting and they're trying it out but

23:14

rarely has he ever seen anybody

23:16

that sad themselves

23:19

the bat

23:20

and remember to of gallons were

23:23

three into

23:24

he said in his report where the murder

23:26

year usually going again

23:28

multiple stab wounds to the side

23:30

the back the stomach

23:32

can ignite he found interesting

23:35

is is someone is gonna commit suicide

23:37

and they are gonna stab themselves they

23:39

don't usually do it through their clothing

23:41

because it makes it more difficult and own

23:44

was stabbed through cloning after

23:46

watch noted that with alan

23:48

to stab wounds to the upper mack

23:51

and laura had seemed unlikely

23:53

suicidal stab wounds because

23:55

the ones themselves is specifically

23:58

runes k l q and

23:59

our and

24:01

cameron vertical directions last

24:03

try and some were right to last

24:06

in for as on all

24:07

among marty

24:10

the under his report saying quote

24:12

in the review of all the submitted documents the

24:15

results of the autopsy and the accounts

24:17

from the investigation based upon

24:19

a reasonable degree of medical certainty

24:22

it's my professional opinion that

24:24

the manner of death of ellen greenberg

24:26

is strongly suspicious of homicide

24:29

good enough for me case closed

24:32

the family continued hiring more professionals

24:35

to help them understand what happened to

24:37

their daughter they reached out to

24:39

the viaduct society of li that's how it's

24:41

pronounced a crime solving group

24:44

and there's one in philadelphia and i looked

24:46

up them and they provide

24:48

pro bono expert assistance

24:51

to law enforcement agencies crossing and it

24:53

stayed

24:54

the made up of volunteers that

24:56

are friends like experts and investigators

24:59

it's members include profilers

25:02

criminologists forensic scientists

25:04

medical examiners active

25:06

retire law enforcement agencies prosecutors

25:10

polygraph examiners and other people

25:12

guild and solving cases they usually

25:14

do a lot of cold cases

25:16

reviewing allen's case one expert

25:19

from the society noticed

25:21

that our had a stream of blood running

25:23

horizontally across your teeth

25:25

from

25:26

the side of her nose

25:27

last tour ear

25:29

the body had been swamped

25:31

operate in the opposite direction

25:34

and that may not seem significant

25:36

but flight and shouldn't dressed

25:38

in that direction or machines and moved

25:42

no years have gone by to see you know

25:44

when all of this is happening in these experts

25:47

are looking at it

25:48

the family hired former homicide prosecutor

25:51

named history being

25:52

the area help them find out what really

25:55

happened there are still just really

25:57

confused and when he's going

25:59

through our

25:59

file and all the information

26:02

on our case he noticed there was no neurological

26:05

report from doctor burke

26:07

adam

26:08

about the spinal cord injury

26:10

the damage that was done do it

26:12

though he reached out to doctor work adam

26:15

that curbside rail

26:17

as for the spinal cord report

26:20

she wrote back quo

26:22

i have no recollection

26:23

that case and co

26:26

two thousand and seventeen mystery

26:29

the andrea come out something strange

26:31

a piece of the on spinal cord was

26:33

still at the medical examiner

26:35

ah fair captain storage

26:37

though he i don't know how but

26:39

he ended up getting a forensic pathologists

26:42

named after wainwright

26:43

reviewer

26:45

doctor ross concluded quo

26:47

there with

26:47

evidence of a stab wound which penetrated

26:50

the training or cavity and savard

26:52

the cranial nerves and brain as

26:54

a result she would experience severe

26:56

pain cranial nerve dysfunction

26:59

and traumatic brain size

27:01

hinton including numbness tingling

27:04

irregular heartbeat respiratory

27:06

depression your own genetic sat

27:09

and impaired loss of consciousness

27:12

how can noted that base

27:13

the on the autopsy report photograph

27:15

and all the celtics

27:17

he

27:18

look at pretty evaluated every

27:20

saying he bullied that there

27:22

was evidence of strangulation

27:24

organ mark over the front of her neck

27:26

which was consistent with a fingernail

27:29

mark and there are multiple bruises under

27:31

a knack

27:32

strap my food on the right side in the

27:34

neck appeared to be bruised and

27:36

he said that was compatible with manual

27:39

strangulation and again he talked

27:41

about the multiple bruises over her body

27:43

was something fresh

27:45

in some older and

27:47

he believed that

27:49

the pattern

27:50

the british words consider want repeated

27:53

beating

27:54

he declared the finding to be

27:56

indicative of a homicide

27:59

okay

28:00

doctor henry lee

28:02

doctor henry lee

28:03

yeah i know recently he's had some questionable

28:06

things about hannan some of his the

28:08

report by and she down a key

28:11

key was consulted and i read his

28:13

report

28:13

and he concluded that the number and types

28:15

of worms and different

28:17

like same patterns were consistent

28:19

with homicide

28:21

the other that back and forth between

28:23

dot philadelphia police

28:25

department and the attorney general's

28:27

office in

28:29

large to the case and in two thousand

28:31

and eighteen the attorney general's office

28:33

for pennsylvania conducted their own

28:35

investigation into the manner of death

28:38

and they concluded that it was suicide

28:40

after a lot of pressure

28:43

spoke person from the attorney general's

28:46

office provided something interesting

28:48

that the public didn't know

28:51

about before the research

28:53

history of our computer and

28:55

the search history with from december eighteenth

28:58

of two thousand and ten to january

29:00

tenth of two thousand and

29:02

eleven

29:03

there's nothing the importance for the sixteen

29:05

days leading up to her dot

29:08

currently the search on our history

29:10

then conducted on april

29:12

first two thousand and eleven put this was the

29:14

first time i believe that was shared

29:16

with the public

29:18

there's some of these entries and or

29:20

computer were

29:21

hadn't weeks prior to

29:23

that and management or family

29:24

first i noted think she was behaving

29:26

they're currently on december eighteenth

29:29

at two thirty in the afternoon

29:31

human trait in suffocation

29:34

man later went to wikipedia

29:36

and look dot suicide mattered

29:39

on january third someone

29:41

hyperion that fantasy gas

29:44

then again model

29:46

that

29:47

on january sixth the

29:49

zola offers his prozac

29:51

was typed in and prozac side

29:54

effects

29:55

on january nine

29:56

com and high gain girl electrocuted

29:59

to das trying to twitter

30:02

and bad time

30:03

or

30:04

that was one of the searches result

30:07

twitter and bath tub death

30:09

in january tenth someone's

30:12

i didn't quick suicide and then

30:14

euthanasia and then painless

30:16

suicide home to weird

30:19

very weird

30:20

in october two thousand and nineteen

30:23

greenberg filed a civil suit against

30:25

the philadelphia medical examiner's

30:27

office and doctor as

30:29

born

30:30

the pathologist who performed the autopsy

30:33

the goal was they really

30:35

wanted to have the manner of allen's das

30:37

change back to either homicide

30:39

or undetermined

30:41

which would allow for the investigation

30:44

to be reopened or

30:46

perhaps for them to file a possible

30:48

wrongful death suit

30:50

so they could try to get more information

30:53

or i shoot again the

30:56

city for misconduct

30:59

mariela who's there were some interesting

31:01

things that they alleged they

31:03

allege that there might have been to nice

31:06

used in the attack the also

31:08

pointed out something that i thought it's

31:10

interesting that i didn't know

31:13

fan met with the police and with questioned

31:16

he told them

31:16

the security guard was when i'm

31:18

when he broke open the door

31:20

but that was false and

31:22

that was one of the basis that doctor osborne

31:25

use

31:25

help convince them that it was suicide

31:27

because he believed there was someone with

31:30

sam wang he came in the

31:32

door

31:33

there is no one's cropper it's hands account

31:35

of events and i'm not blaming sam i'm like

31:37

yeah no i'm not blaming sam i'm just saying

31:39

what was in their massu

31:42

lawsuits

31:43

they also stated that the way that

31:45

door latch was broken wasn't

31:47

consistent with the way that sam

31:50

described breaking the door and basically

31:53

there were some like screws that are kind

31:55

of lose by had

31:57

he

31:57

they believe

31:58

it and door

31:59

in the way he said

32:02

there would have been more damage done them

32:04

what was done that's what they're claiming

32:06

because they food

32:08

we were able to get depositions and stuff

32:10

from

32:11

people and and two thousand and nineteen

32:13

there was an exam done by a

32:15

pathologist name lindsay emery

32:18

with off a certified interim fatality

32:20

doctor

32:21

murray conducted an exam on

32:23

the stack

32:23

alan spinal column that was

32:25

still storage the medical examiner's office

32:28

during the exam doctor

32:30

amri discovered something that

32:33

was unusual

32:34

he replied

32:36

wanting to the bone and ligaments in the

32:38

back of allen spinal column

32:40

and a corresponding clutch the dura had

32:43

no hemorrhaging around none dr

32:45

emery testified same quote lack

32:48

of the hammered means no paul

32:50

the offered three possible explanations

32:53

for the lack of hemorrhaging

32:54

there wasn't enough time between the wound

32:57

that one it was inflicted

32:59

and when alan died for damage

33:01

the wound and disrupt the tissue enough

33:04

couple others

33:05

or allen was already died when

33:07

the woman was inflicted

33:09

dr are born with deposed and

33:12

he admitted that he did not

33:14

reenact the wounds

33:15

the examiner angles nor measure

33:18

the lane to valens arms or fingers

33:20

to determine

33:20

it would even physically possible

33:22

owing to administer the wounds

33:25

herself

33:26

the court issued an opinion on

33:29

the complaint that was filed a nice said

33:31

quo in this case plaintiffs have alleged

33:33

numerous facts demonstrating an act of

33:35

controversy

33:36

the frustrated by the coroner's death certificate

33:39

the current that's are to the kid the

33:42

flag sir alan committed suicide

33:44

that would present

33:45

early insurmountable hurdle for the plane

33:48

and bring elaborate

33:49

forgot action

33:50

not i'm reasonable or

33:52

i'm just for an abuse of discretion

33:55

for the court to make a declared

33:56

the finding that doctor are born

33:58

the of erroneous

33:59

the comment allies manner of gas

34:02

or abuses discretion by not going

34:04

the during what it is appropriate to a mantra bastards

34:06

had get under the unique circumstances

34:08

of this case

34:10

what that really means is they said that

34:12

allen's parents should have a right to have

34:14

a trial

34:15

rod out really

34:17

the city of philadelphia has appealed if

34:19

they lose their appealed degree murder case

34:22

against the city and doctor as born

34:24

will go to trial go to try

34:26

they could see if he you

34:28

abused his discretion

34:30

and see if the manner of dash

34:32

the changed my

34:34

for at with the case pets crazy

34:38

i'm not convinced she killed herself

34:39

very confusing for me

34:41

i know like if she didn't

34:43

kill herself then the question is

34:45

who did yeah who did

34:47

by all accounts she'll never had

34:49

positive things to say about sam

34:51

rae i'm not saying sam

34:53

i'm not saying sam did it now

34:56

it's the weirdest i would say this like

34:58

one of the weirdest cases that was

35:00

our declared suicide but in there that cindy james

35:03

from episode eighty one oh yeah

35:06

that on was crazy stuff to death

35:08

of the haven't listened to it episode eighty one

35:10

yeah where they declared that minutes is

35:12

i didn't know whether to like tied apartheid

35:15

in south yeah she

35:16

var

35:17

crazy sorry yeah

35:19

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