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1:50

it's Phoebe. This

1:53

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very first episode came out almost exactly a

2:02

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2:08

excited to be making this show. Ten

2:11

years later, I can't believe we're still getting to

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2:15

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2:18

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the next few weeks on the podcast, we're gonna

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2:43

past ten years. And we're

2:45

starting things off with one of my personal

2:48

favorites of all time, Cowboy

2:50

Bob. Here's the show. Well,

2:54

I can remember reading the newspaper, and

2:56

back then the newspapers would print the grainy black and white

2:58

photos of bank robbers or suspects

3:02

in crimes. And there was this photo of a man dressed

3:04

in a cowboy hat and boots

3:08

and leather coat. It was

3:10

like May 1991. Skip

3:12

Hollinsworth is a writer for Texas Monthly.

3:15

A man with a beard wearing a cowboy hat and

3:17

a brown leather jacket walked

3:22

into a bank in Irving, Texas in May of 1991.

3:24

Without speaking, he handed the teller a note that read,

3:28

this is a bank robbery, give me your money, no

3:30

marked bills or die packs. And

3:34

I don't know, most bank robbers do

3:36

not interest me. I mean, they're impulsive, they scream

3:38

when they come into a bank, they shout, they

3:40

wave their guns, they screech away. They

3:44

don't take any precautions. He was

3:46

this polite gentleman, tipped his hat

3:48

at the teller as he walked

3:50

away with the money. He was very calm,

3:52

very measured, got out just in time before the

3:54

police came. And

4:01

for some reason I. Was.

4:03

Sort of charmed by him. and then he

4:05

did it again. In

4:08

December of Ninety Ninety One would

4:10

appear to be the same man

4:12

again stressed and a cowboy hat

4:14

and leather jacket rob the second

4:17

best in Irving. Walking. Away with

4:19

twelve hundred dollars. And

4:21

Men In January. Nineteen Ninety

4:23

Two, The mysterious. Roberts struck

4:25

again, robbing a third banks

4:28

this times in Garland, Texas.

4:30

he robbed a fourth best

4:32

for months later. Each

4:35

time it was the same. He

4:37

sees a recall, didn't speak, and

4:39

was out of the bank before

4:41

anyone quite knew what had happened.

4:44

The Ministry been to Dallas. You

4:46

know that we're surrounded by this

4:48

ring of suburbs and see seem

4:51

to be taking off one suburb

4:53

after another. Irving Garlic. Muskie.

4:57

Skip Hollingsworth says this robber was smart.

4:59

He knew to keep his head. Dude,

5:02

security cameras would have a hard time

5:04

getting a picture of his face. Didn't

5:06

sit at while he waits for the

5:09

teller to hand over the money. These

5:11

are not cinematic bank robberies. These are

5:13

not the kind of bank robberies that

5:16

produce huge amounts of money so the

5:18

guy can go retire in the south

5:20

of France. It was just the sort

5:23

of lonely looking. Cowboy

5:25

who assist getting about two or

5:27

three thousand dollars a robbery. Because

5:30

bank robbery is a federal crime

5:33

vs. the I was brought in

5:35

to investigate the nickname the bank

5:37

robber cowboy Bob after his trademark

5:39

cowboy hat. The F

5:41

B I have no leads them is the

5:43

secret. A small time bank robberies unless. The

5:48

police this there in time to

5:50

catch him in the act. If

5:53

they robert Gibbs a way out of

5:55

the parking lot driving his getaway car.

5:58

There's. A good chance he will not

6:00

be called. and it seemed to be

6:02

that he had everything perfectly in control.

6:05

And it was driving seat

6:07

Powell completely nuts. Oh

6:10

goodness. I

6:13

had seen many, many

6:15

bank robberies. I. Mean you

6:17

have to understand has the power of than

6:19

the F B I in Texas. He was

6:21

a lead bank robber specialists and he was

6:23

tearing his hair out. This. Terribly bomb

6:25

as he came to be known around. The.

6:28

Dallas, F B I offices. Was.

6:30

Beating the best guy in the business. You.

6:33

Know a perfect bank robbery

6:35

ideas from i hope I'm

6:37

not educating Anybody wants to

6:39

rob a bank has been

6:41

at you know you want

6:43

to get iam. Rob

6:46

the bag, Leave is

6:48

a little evidence as

6:50

possible that's gonna allow

6:52

someone like me to

6:54

track you down. If

6:57

you can getting an and give

7:00

out very quietly and gets

7:02

the amount of money that you

7:04

want and get away then you

7:06

have pulled off a successful bank

7:09

robbery. Former. As the

7:11

I Agent Steve Pile. In

7:13

the nineties, he was based in Dallas,

7:16

where he was the Bureau's bank robbery

7:18

coordinator. I was

7:20

responsible for connecting.

7:23

All the robberies and other words,

7:25

if we had ice for what

7:27

you would call a serial by

7:29

a proper. I

7:31

would see that. Oh, that

7:34

was the same guy that

7:36

robbed Data Data Data Bank

7:38

or ah, he may have

7:40

robbed in Albuquerque or Oklahoma

7:42

City. But I would study

7:45

the bank robbers and tie

7:47

the cases together. Steve.

7:49

Pile of had been with the F B I. For

7:52

just over twenty years. But

7:54

this new bank robber Kabylie

7:57

Bob, polite client and sitting

7:59

so. The and banks for

8:01

relatively small sums of money

8:03

was outsmarting him. There

8:06

is one thing about Cowboy Bob that

8:08

didn't add up. When

8:10

Steve Pals reviewed security camera

8:13

footage, he noticed that Cowboy

8:15

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first robbery was in May of 1991. The second

11:32

was seven months later in December of 1991 in

11:36

Irving, Texas. On

11:38

that day, Steve Powell

11:40

says Cowboy Bob parked his car directly in front

11:42

of the bank, calmly

11:44

got out of the driver's seat and walked into the

11:46

building. Now, with my

11:49

experience, I knew either

11:51

this bank robber is an idiot, or

11:54

there's something wrong with him.

11:57

Or there's something wrong with this,

11:59

because. most bank robbers do not

12:01

want you to get a good

12:03

description of their getaway vehicle and

12:06

especially the license plate number because

12:08

we're going to be able to

12:10

track that license plate number and

12:13

I may be at your house before you

12:15

even get home. Well,

12:18

this person was

12:21

using a plate that invariably

12:23

turned out to have been

12:25

stolen from another

12:28

vehicle which led us

12:30

off in a wild goose chase and

12:33

again we had no clues. We

12:39

had a description of the vehicle.

12:41

It was an older rust colored

12:44

Grand Prix with a tan top

12:47

but the license plate did not

12:49

lead us anywhere. The

12:52

third bank robbery occurred a month later

12:54

in January of 1992. Steve

12:57

Powell says that once again, Cowboy

13:00

Bob parked his car in plain

13:02

view of plenty of witnesses which

13:05

meant that once again Steve Powell had

13:07

a license plate number to follow up

13:10

on but once again it

13:12

did him no good. You

13:14

know a lot of times what will

13:17

happen Phoebe is the license plate

13:19

may be registered to and I'm

13:21

going to make this up a

13:23

yellow Volkswagen. Well you

13:25

know that was not the description of

13:27

our bank robbers car. So

13:30

up until the third maybe

13:33

even the fourth robbery we

13:35

didn't have a clue. We were

13:38

praying for a little break that

13:41

would give us something to lead

13:43

us in the right direction. And

13:47

then on September 25th 1992 Steve Powell got his wish. He

13:53

got a call that Cowboy Bob had

13:55

just robbed his fist back in Mesquite

13:57

Texas. Of

14:00

course, now I remember it like

14:02

it was yesterday. I was there,

14:05

we conducted our investigation, but

14:07

just like always, same

14:10

description. There's no

14:13

fingerprints because this individual wore

14:15

gloves. I

14:18

mean, everything was the same. The

14:20

cowboy hat, the sunglasses, the

14:22

beard, never

14:25

spoke, used a note, put

14:27

the money on the bag, and

14:29

boom, the bandit is gone. Got

14:32

the license plate. Well, turned

14:35

out, you know, the person

14:37

didn't have a clue that their license

14:40

plate had been removed from their vehicle.

14:43

Before I left the bank, I get

14:46

a second phone call. This

14:48

time, the

14:50

office advises me that we had just

14:52

had the

14:54

second bank robbery within about,

14:57

within five miles. It wasn't

14:59

very far, right there in

15:01

Mesquite. And

15:03

of course, I asked for a description and

15:06

they gave it to me, and I'll be

15:08

honest with you, I used a bad word

15:11

because I knew it was

15:13

the same silly bank robber.

15:17

And I went, okay, here we

15:19

go. I

15:22

asked them, okay, do we have a license

15:24

plate number in

15:26

that robbery? Well, they advised me, yes,

15:28

they had obtained it. I

15:30

said, all right, you know, do we

15:33

have agents in or out to that

15:35

location? Yes, we do. And

15:38

I'm thinking, you know, it's probably not

15:40

gonna lead us anywhere, but the

15:43

registered owner was way out in the

15:45

Irvine, Texas area, which is way on

15:47

the other side of Dallas from where

15:50

we were. So

15:52

I'm just standing by basically in

15:54

the first bank. And

15:57

One of our agents called me and he

15:59

said, well, We found the registered

16:01

owner. But this

16:03

is the first time C

16:06

B where the car and

16:08

the license plate match. That

16:11

it never happens. The. Clothes:

16:13

a brown pontiac. Grand Prix

16:15

registered to a man named

16:18

Peter Thomas. F

16:20

B I agents went to the Food

16:22

Auto parts factory square feet tell us

16:24

worked there for him is he on

16:26

degree in pre and he said that

16:28

he did. But he said this

16:30

about a year ago. He gave the car

16:33

to his mother and sister. The

16:35

F B I agents told him that

16:38

the car had just been used in

16:40

a bank robbery and P. Talus was

16:42

reported to said bullshit. That car can't

16:44

go fast enough. The

16:47

Sp: I asked where they could

16:49

find the cars and T. Talus

16:51

gave them an address in Garland,

16:53

Texas with his mother and sister

16:55

list and I'm gone and all

16:57

part of the yard. Let's go

16:59

such about. So I left that

17:01

bag and took off for this

17:03

location. Well this

17:05

man had told us that

17:07

see lives Zuma a big

17:10

apartment complex. so I polian

17:12

and start. You

17:15

know, looking for the

17:17

vehicle and sure enough

17:19

mail or find it.

17:23

A and. On. Believe

17:25

both made. It has

17:27

the right license plate on

17:30

it which mats what had

17:32

just happened that the last

17:34

back. So I'm going okay.

17:36

this is real good. And

17:39

a slob backed up him

17:41

and. Process. Must fail

17:43

for I could keep

17:45

an eye on the

17:48

vehicle and call for

17:50

some backup agents. So

17:52

ah, shortly thereafter, some

17:54

of our other agents

17:56

started arriving. And

17:58

while we're setting. There you know

18:00

which you have to understand at that

18:02

point. We're about to make

18:05

him for am too bad apartment because

18:07

we figured the bank robbers in their.

18:11

Whale. While we're discussing our

18:13

plans to make entry, Here

18:16

comes a little lady walk him

18:18

out wearing shorts and tee shirt.

18:21

And she gets him to the

18:23

vehicle. Have

18:25

gone. Okay, so. There's. His

18:28

girlfriend. We. Don't

18:30

want to stop her. I don't

18:32

know if the bank robbers him

18:34

the apartment watching her or not

18:37

but will lead her, pull out

18:39

and get close to the outside

18:41

of the apartment complex and will

18:43

stop or so. And that's what

18:45

we did. So. Name

18:49

we stop the vehicle. Of

18:51

the of course you know we

18:54

identify sales and i get this

18:56

of female driver have a car

18:58

and bring her to my vehicle

19:00

and put her in the backseat.

19:04

The now. She

19:06

identifies herself. To me is

19:08

Peggy? tell? Tell us. And

19:12

I said i'd peggy ah said

19:14

ah You know this, This car

19:17

was used in a bank robbery.

19:20

Who has driven it? Well

19:23

she says just me. And

19:26

I said if is gonna be over

19:28

here just a minute or said you

19:31

need to tell me. Who

19:33

he is an. Tell

19:35

me and she says. It's

19:38

just me. Driving

19:41

the car as of right.

19:45

Coups and the apartment was

19:47

just my elderly mother. Ah,

19:51

so I got out of the

19:54

vehicle. Ah, she wouldn't going to

19:56

share anything with me. I'm out

19:58

here. I understand math. So

20:00

I told the agents or said you

20:02

know we're gonna have to go am

20:05

So I stayed with her and some

20:07

the agents made in three m to

20:09

the park. And

20:11

farming One of the agents comes

20:14

back out to the car and

20:16

he says stays, ah, we've got

20:18

the beard. The

20:21

had that jacket and

20:23

a firearm. And

20:26

I said oh okay. So.

20:30

He's gone back am an asset

20:32

back in the car and I

20:34

said thirty lessons in a we've

20:36

got to disguise now where did

20:38

he go? In

20:41

and just a moment the aged

20:44

came back out am i got

20:46

out of vehicle me says stays.

20:49

We've. Got all the money, From.

20:51

Both robberies. And

20:54

I said okay good. So I get

20:56

back in the car and I said.

21:00

Hot Rod I said you know this

21:02

was over. I said now.

21:05

You've. Got to tell me who

21:07

he is. Did you call

21:09

her Hot? Not. Apps.

21:13

And fastest I'll be honest with

21:15

ya probably d Add to that

21:17

that was kind of the websites

21:20

both fact most the he's. Did

21:22

she seem scared? It'll. No.

21:25

No. That

21:28

was what was so com She

21:30

was very calm and say be

21:32

i'll say run up from with

21:35

yes she never lied to me

21:37

is you know him hindsight I

21:40

realised now she never lied or

21:42

tip say i'm you know who

21:44

eat who you're protected One nobody

21:47

was who's been on the car

21:49

just me or him and we

21:52

just kept going around and around

21:54

that. For you. Are

21:58

right Now Phoebe! About that

22:00

poor and I guess the some

22:03

had changed little. be a paramedic

22:05

and you gather understand I'm sitting

22:07

in the backseat Worth or I

22:09

looked over at a up Peggy

22:12

M. I saw this and a

22:14

hasty to say it like this

22:16

but this flight staff com i

22:19

like flaking out of her hair.

22:22

Am I a you know basically

22:24

or mean it would be like

22:26

is is this person has a

22:29

makes grimly bad case. Of them

22:31

for of or a minute. Him:

22:33

Me: She had

22:35

take him and were child

22:37

located myself in the apartment

22:39

later. Ah some spray a

22:41

to get as like a

22:44

halloween costume store where you

22:46

can spray your hair and

22:48

turn it into can apply

22:50

to any it were just

22:52

falling out of her hair

22:54

on to her shoulder. And

22:57

out to this day I remember set

22:59

Mayor and when I spotted that. Mon

23:03

finally the lived with off

23:05

with me and i realized

23:08

too many cricket is this

23:10

is the bandit. When

23:14

she realized. That. This

23:16

was who you are looking source did you

23:19

say to her. It's

23:21

you look at you see

23:23

such as well as I

23:25

have. Through

23:27

October your my bank robber

23:30

and you're under arrest in

23:32

a yellow. Now you gotta

23:34

understand she never it's method

23:37

anything to me. And

23:39

what I told her she was under

23:41

arrest for bank robbery. I.

23:44

So no one motion from or. Steve.

23:47

Parliament Is agents arrested Peggy Just

23:49

Us and immediately took her into

23:52

custody. To. Forty years old.

23:55

Had us have been says stumped in your whole

23:57

career. Any to when you think about all that

23:59

and club. The eat he handled in

24:01

your long career with this one that does this

24:03

one really stick out. Well

24:05

it in know it does. I'll

24:08

be honest fourth year because are

24:10

a few to air at Cb.

24:12

I'll have to show you the

24:14

survey on a stretcher from the

24:16

robberies. I mean if you could

24:18

tell me what that's a female

24:20

I'd like to hear you say

24:23

that because it was so far

24:25

from what I was looking for

24:27

they wanted actually happened. Yes I

24:29

was. Ah, I was amazed and

24:31

now you know. Cb

24:33

if you can understand that, may I

24:36

feel like I'm idiots. It just never

24:38

clicked with me that it was her.

24:41

You know, She

24:44

senses smart on. All

24:47

of those other bank. Robberies. Want

24:50

to see what happened? You know

24:52

it's it's. economy is amateur mystique.

24:55

I know what you're saying and

24:57

are invariably by will find

24:59

lead might go little mistake now

25:02

this one was on a little

25:04

mistake but she had robbed that

25:07

first by act and am sure

25:09

once she got away from matt

25:11

bike see town of the money

25:14

and said oh jim many

25:16

ah didn't get a mouse. So.

25:20

See. Was m a hurry for

25:22

some reason as he took that

25:24

stolen play it off of her

25:26

car. M way

25:28

up and rob the second

25:31

by with her real license

25:33

plate visible. And that's

25:35

what brought her day on that

25:38

day. Have that not happened? Lord

25:41

knows how long we would have

25:43

been looking for her. Take

25:45

you to Tell Us has consisted of

25:48

three can sustain properties and sentenced to

25:50

thirty three months in federal prison. Skip.

25:53

Hollingsworth rude about. Her for Texas

25:55

Monthly incidents in size. To.

25:58

Reporters at a Psychologists. Richard

26:00

Smith sat down with Peggy to tell

26:02

us. Richard Smith said that when he

26:05

would ask her questions to to sort

26:07

of look at him and matter of

26:09

factly smoke a cigarette. Frogging.

26:11

Or shoulder setting or head as if she

26:13

was here was what else to tell him

26:16

see the know how to tell him she

26:18

said. You. Know she

26:20

needed somebody to help out her mom who

26:22

was sick. And Whose

26:24

medications costs too much money?

26:27

And. This

26:30

Psychologist smith. Was.

26:32

Enamored with her. Just the same power they

26:34

have the I is it was enamored with

26:36

or. What? Was seen. Do

26:38

it. She. Goes well. I

26:41

just wanted to pay for my

26:43

mother's medications, but I really had

26:45

no intention of robbing a certain

26:47

bags or a third or fourth.

26:49

And then she pulled out a cigarette

26:51

case and let another cigarette. And

26:54

was smith realize was.

26:57

Is the C D down to

26:59

enjoyed the heck out of robbing

27:01

banks? Richard Smith

27:03

would later describe Peggy to tell

27:06

us as a nice, normal looking

27:08

woman. When she

27:10

got out of prison, she laid low.

27:13

She. Continued to live with and care

27:15

for her sick mother. She.

27:18

Got a job at a marina just

27:20

outside of Dallas. Years. Passed

27:22

and after her mother died

27:24

Peggy to button or see.

27:28

That same year Steve Powell retired from

27:30

the As the Ice and moved from

27:32

Dallas to Mother. Every

27:35

once in awhile. He teach a

27:37

class for bank employees on how to

27:39

spot bank robbers. He'd always

27:41

tell the story of Cowboy Bebop. And

27:45

then a couple of years later. Someone.

27:48

Walked into the Gear and Bank

27:50

in Tyler, Texas with a mustache

27:52

wearing a big hat and gloves

27:55

and walked out with the back

27:57

of money. In a

27:59

sea power. Was working sale

28:01

for the F B I think

28:03

he would unknown immediately who that

28:05

was that it rubbed that bag.

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of a website or domain. The

30:00

Guarantee Bank and the Town of Tyler. And.

30:03

According to the tellers, the robber

30:05

was an older man with a

30:07

round summit. Scraggly my sassy

30:09

War big floppy hat. He

30:13

had on baggy clothes you wore gloves.

30:15

He placed the green canvas bag on

30:17

the counter. And he

30:19

said out loud, give Me All your

30:21

money. Know. They bills.

30:23

They'll blow up money. We

30:26

gotta Stacie Tas. The

30:28

teller later said to the Fpr that

30:31

his voice sounded sort of strange and

30:33

the mustache appeared to been glued on.

30:36

And as dumb as was, more padded

30:38

than real, this isn't two thousand and

30:40

four. Bank tellers to be

30:42

as the I it's a bank robbery.

30:44

Taken the money and just calmly walked

30:46

out of the bank and down the

30:48

street. No one song car. Dsp.

30:51

I interviewed an older man they thought

30:53

match. The description of the bank

30:56

robber the gave him a

30:58

lie detector tests which he

31:00

passed. Since the continue their

31:02

investigation continued interviewing What would

31:04

your means. Person

31:06

months later on me since two thousand

31:09

and five Take you to tell this.

31:11

Park to have these across

31:13

the street from that seen

31:15

Guarantee Bank in Tyler, Texas.

31:17

This time she walked in

31:19

would know probably disguise which

31:21

I've just always found fascinating

31:23

said why she went st

31:25

her emo after so many

31:28

years successfully getting away with

31:30

dressing as a man. as

31:33

he parked across the street and or Rv. She

31:37

walked into the bank. To

31:39

see of course the use the gun

31:41

says very polite was he told the

31:43

tell her that she wanted her money

31:46

the our gave her everything energy or

31:48

eleven thousand dollars. For.

31:50

You just as sites you. As

31:53

he walks out the door and her heart must

31:55

have been discussing the always would have thought is

31:58

that are hard must have been racing. Eleven

32:00

thousand dollars and was a huge amount

32:02

of money for her. She'd always wanted

32:04

to go live on the beach in.

32:07

Mexico, And this was a chance

32:09

to do and she would be able

32:11

to pay for a trip down there.

32:13

And as she walked out the door, however,

32:16

The teller had slipped in a.at

32:19

the looks like real money but

32:21

if you walk through the door

32:23

with the alarm on it the

32:25

dye pack blows up and all

32:27

this read smoke sort of blows

32:29

everywhere get so you get some.

32:32

The bag gets on all the

32:34

money and so see has screwed

32:36

up by letting the dye pack

32:38

get in there. Yet she kept

32:40

walking resolutely toward her Rv. And.

32:44

Gotten the Rv and drove away. What he

32:46

said to drive up a hill from the

32:48

bag to get away. and the Rv was

32:50

old and it was going through gears really

32:53

fast and exhausts was pouring out of the

32:55

out of the up. And

32:58

saying there was this line of police cars

33:00

following or through Tyler because they still weren't

33:02

sure who was in the Rv. And

33:04

who was driving it? And who

33:07

else was in there. They something could

33:09

be an entire gang. A bank robbers in there.

33:12

So they were very careful as they honor

33:14

her on the corner Said. And

33:17

so they all lined up behind their cars with

33:20

their rifles pointed at the door and they said,

33:22

come on out. A spokesperson

33:24

for the Tyler Police Departments leader

33:26

said that the see no suspect.up

33:28

from the driver's seat when back

33:31

into the coach and pulled down

33:33

the seats and the driver side.

33:36

According to police engine on the

33:38

scene, the officers waiting. Outside the

33:41

are these with their guns drawn

33:43

for nearly ten minutes. Skip

33:46

Hollingsworth says take you to tell

33:48

us smoked a cigarette. This.

33:50

As she could have picked up to three

33:53

fifty seven magnum she kept under her pillow.

33:55

But. Instead. She. Picked up

33:57

a toy pistol. The. Time. Gas

34:00

when this. Elderly

34:03

lady. Opened the door

34:05

and stood on the stats. And.

34:07

She says I'm not. Coming with

34:09

you. I'm not going back. According

34:12

to police, she waved a toy

34:14

pistol. In the ear and said you can

34:17

have to kill me. The.

34:19

Police spokespersons later said that

34:21

the pistol Pluto looked real.

34:23

There was nothing to indicate

34:25

it was a toy. When.

34:28

Take you to Tell us. Pointed her

34:30

toy pistol at the police officers. The

34:33

shooter. To. Sixty years

34:35

old when she died. I

34:38

say see knew this was down to

34:41

the last. In a. And

34:44

sister had once and sit back. And

34:47

see had gotten away so

34:49

many other times. That.

34:53

I think that See thought maybe I've

34:55

got one last bad as I can

34:57

but I can man is over the

34:59

fence unless the honest if she had

35:01

gotten away as the dye pack and

35:03

knocked on off and see gotten into

35:05

that Rv undetected and see made it

35:08

up that hill. See was on her

35:10

way to Mexico. This land that she

35:12

always talked about with her friends. the

35:14

beaches, the Mexico where she can go

35:16

and hide away and not be held

35:18

accountable to anyone and live the life

35:20

seen always wanted to live instead of.

35:23

Allies that she had to give up for taking

35:25

care of her mother for so many years. Because

35:28

this would have been her seconds. Or

35:32

arrest and conviction for bank robbery.

35:34

She was spent the rest of

35:36

her life in prison. She said

35:38

it's worth going down. And

35:41

doing it with a toy pistol so I don't

35:43

hurt anyone else. And

35:45

said if. You

35:49

know, I'll

35:52

be honest with you see be I

35:54

am In my mind I am convinced.

35:57

Peggy Joe was not the. The

36:00

person they wanted to go

36:02

back to federal prison. That

36:06

we're just not can heard Game plan

36:08

so to speak. Latin.

36:13

What'd you think when you heard what

36:15

happened in two thousand and five? How

36:17

did you hear? Well, it. I

36:20

didn't tell us you know I'll

36:22

be honest with year I had

36:24

him more I hear that am

36:27

of there was a part of

36:29

me even though you know she

36:31

never lied to me corn I

36:34

was with her ah you know

36:36

years prior. You

36:39

know there was part of me

36:41

that said now I wished other

36:43

been there may be a ton

36:45

of talk to or. But

36:52

it didn't happen. So

36:54

our emails. Or

36:57

never harbored in or Ill

36:59

feel against her. I there

37:01

was a lot that see

37:03

did that. I

37:05

hate to say it this way

37:07

but as a bank robber that

37:09

I respected are really don't paid

37:12

see what I heard? Any bodies?

37:14

Ah so you know to hear

37:16

that she had been shot and

37:18

killed I it just it can

37:20

hurt me. I didn't want

37:22

hear it, but. Airbus.

37:25

Away same as well. As

37:29

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37:31

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37:33

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