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4:39

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4:41

Muertos . Stu Muertos and

4:43

this is more of a hands-on question I like it and

4:46

they want to know have you ever tried

4:48

a peanut butter , jelly and

4:50

mayonnaise sandwich ? Fucking

4:55

disgusting . Mayo is the grossest shit in the world for

4:57

me . He says I've been eating this since I was a child

4:59

and it's awesome . What I have yet to

5:01

find anyone who will try it , let alone like

5:04

it . Well , stu Mortos , you've

5:06

come to the right place , as I just so happen to

5:09

have a peanut butter jelly and

5:11

mayonnaise sandwich .

5:12

Right here , Dave gets to my house and is like , hey

5:14

, do you have peanut butter , jelly and mayo ? I'm like

5:16

, yeah , I was

5:18

like what are you going to do with that ?

5:22

All right , so let's give it a roll .

5:24

Oh , I can't even watch you eat that shit .

5:26

He says that you're going to have three slices of bread

5:28

, so the peanut butter and jelly goes on as

5:30

a regular sandwich , and then you put the mayonnaise

5:32

on top and then put another slice of bread on top

5:34

.

5:47

So here it is . Here I'm gonna give a little shot . Yeah , chew in the mic , get a good . Oh , knowing

5:49

that's peanut butter jelly mayo and fucking . Oh , bro , first off , there's a

5:51

couple things wrong with this . If

5:53

you're doing a peanut butter jelly sandwich , you can't do have three pieces

5:55

of bread . It's all about the consistency , it's about

5:58

the layers . You know what I mean . It's

6:00

like putting too much cheese on a pizza . It's wrong .

6:01

When you add a layer of mayonnaise , you're going to add another layer of bread

6:04

.

6:04

Don't add the layer of mayo . I just

6:06

don't get that . Why ? Alright

6:09

, that's so interesting to me . Here's my result You're

6:11

not going to ? No , no , no , no , no

6:13

, no . I'm not even a fan of peanut butter and jelly

6:15

, let alone mayo peanut

6:17

butter and jelly .

6:18

All right . Final analysis

6:20

it's not bad , yeah

6:23

sure .

6:23

It sounds gross . You're trying to help him out by saying

6:25

, yeah , yeah , buddy , you're

6:28

not weird .

6:28

You get the poteness

6:31

of the peanut butter . You get the

6:33

sweetness of the jelly . And

6:40

the cumshot . Texture of the jizz . Texture of

6:43

the mayo . Yeah , who doesn't like that ? I mean

6:45

, go on , onion is probably gonna eat the rest of it . All right

6:47

, actually , yeah , it wasn't that bad . So there

6:49

you go , stewmortos .

6:50

Now you have another thing yeah , but you didn't love it I

6:52

mean it's , it's not something this guy

6:54

. This guy gets excited when he gets that gets

6:57

home from lunch and he's like , oh , I'm going to make a fucking peanut

6:59

butter and jelly and mayonnaise

7:01

.

7:02

Estoy muertos . Yeah , estoy muertos . So

7:04

thank you very much .

7:05

Not bad , you have interesting taste

7:07

buds , buddy yeah not bad .

7:09

Everybody should at least try it just once . All

7:11

right , so thank you very much , Estoy Muertos . And Thank you very much , Stu Mortos

7:13

. And next we have our friend Kate Goanna with another voice

7:16

question from Australia .

7:18

We'll see . Is there anything that people do

7:20

in traffic that just makes you want to

7:22

go postal For me

7:24

? If I let somebody in in traffic and they don't give me

7:26

the thank you wave or the acknowledgement

7:28

, I want to actually pursue them and

7:31

hunt them down until they do it

7:33

drives me insane , for some reason .

7:34

She sounds like she belongs in America .

7:36

It really sticks in my craw . Anyway

7:38

, guys , keep doing what you're doing . You're absolutely

7:40

hilarious . I'm out on the road a lot during

7:42

the day and I love , love listening to

7:44

you guys . So have a wonderful

7:46

day .

7:48

Wow , look at Kate Sticks

7:50

in my craw .

7:53

Sticks in her craw .

7:54

She's got a little DB .

7:56

She sounds very American . I

7:58

feel like road rage is a . It's a common

8:00

. Yeah , we get chewed out set

8:03

over road rage , yeah here

8:05

.

8:05

Yeah , I like seeing the little devious

8:08

side of Kate . That was pretty interesting . I want to hunt them

8:10

down . So

8:12

I would say that driving is probably

8:14

one of the only places where I get really fucking

8:16

disgruntled , like I'm a pretty laid back dude like

8:19

most of the time , but being on

8:21

the highway , as Kate would say , really sticks

8:23

in my craw .

8:24

Sticks in my craw . The highway

8:27

Highway's the worst . Yeah

8:29

, I don't know , it's around town for me .

8:32

Sometimes around town , yeah , but I would say my biggest pet peeve is

8:35

when , like when , people have to merge

8:37

into one lane because there's like an accident or construction

8:39

going on , yeah , and they just fly by and they're just like

8:41

and the driver's just passing , everybody trying to squeeze into

8:43

the line at the last possible second , like

8:45

you're the fucking reason why traffic is

8:47

so fucked up . Yeah , you know , I mean . You're like you're creating

8:50

this whole clusterfuck by creating a congestion

8:52

at the point of the merge . You know , I mean yeah , you

8:54

should have got over right now yeah , there's like

8:56

signs that are like a mile and a half back saying hey , left

8:58

lane or right lane is closed . Ahead like , just move

9:00

the over so we can all just go through . You

9:03

know what I mean like , oh , that hit , like

9:05

now that I'm older and I get more

9:07

ornery and ornery , ornery , got

9:10

all them teeth , got

9:12

all them teeth and no toothbrush . I

9:15

keep going . Uh yeah , I'm like losing

9:17

fucks by the day , like I really don't give a fuck anymore

9:19

. So what I'll do now is that

9:21

whenever there's a merge and I see fucking dickheads like

9:23

trying to pass , to get up ahead , I'll

9:25

actually move over and like take up both lanes

9:27

, you're gonna block them oh man , you

9:30

know , I mean and like I'll take

9:32

up both lanes so nobody can go by , and then

9:34

somebody else will be like hey he's got a pretty good idea

9:36

and then they'll like go over and like take up half the breakdown

9:38

lane so they can't get on . So now we're just cluster

9:40

fucking the whole fucking thing , like go fuck yourself . You're like burn

9:42

the whole fucking bridge down if I can't , if I can't cross

9:44

right that's it for me .

9:46

It's always what pisses , pisses me off , and it's

9:48

always a truck . For some reason it's always a truck when

9:51

you're just , you're just trying to go and

9:53

he knows that like you're , you're trying to

9:55

get by him and he take , you , take that slow

9:58

turn off of it you know what I mean

10:00

when you're just driving and then that guy will just

10:02

sit there and take six hours to turn and

10:04

, like you'll see him looking at you the whole time . Yeah

10:07

, I fucking hate you know , I'm saying when they

10:09

slow down no basic standstill . You

10:11

can literally just take the left , yeah , and they

10:13

just slow roll it I get . I

10:16

get as close as I can to that back quarter

10:18

panel yeah , and I just , I

10:20

just want to fucking . I want to drive my

10:22

car right in the back of them . I hate that shit . It's always

10:24

a truck too . They think they , they

10:26

, own the road . That's really

10:28

it . I don't . I usually I'm really good at letting

10:30

people in . I let people . I don't really . Yeah

10:33

, I'm a very like passive driver . I

10:35

don't , I mean I always I always let

10:37

somebody go ahead of me , I always see

10:40

, there there's a rule to the road .

10:42

So like , like , if you're like at a concert or a football

10:44

game and stuff , you know , and you're like trying to get

10:46

into traffic , it's like one then the other than the

10:48

other , you know , I mean you take turns

10:50

, get into the line , whatever , like , I'm all about that

10:52

, but if I see the second

10:54

person trying to cut in , I will fucking

10:56

smash into their fucking car .

10:58

I don't give a fuck , you have such you

11:00

. This is , this is what I'm telling you guys . If there

11:02

are ever bodies found around norwich

11:04

, connecticut just know that

11:07

your podcast host has elevated to another

11:10

level .

11:11

There is nothing that pisses me off than uncourteous

11:13

drivers . You know what I mean . Like kind of

11:15

like you were saying yeah , I .

11:16

it's like we're all here . There's like rules . There's

11:19

unwritten rules . Let's follow them , let's

11:21

abide by them Right . But I will say this

11:23

though All my friends if I ever drive to New York my

11:25

wife , my friends , my family they

11:27

always designate me to drive through New

11:30

York City . You have

11:32

I turn into a New Yorker when I do it

11:34

. That's a different level . Anybody who's never been

11:36

to New York if you've been

11:39

there and just taken cabs like you're just visiting

11:41

, if you actually drive those streets

11:43

, man , you got to yell , scream

11:45

, beep .

11:45

Lay on the horn .

11:46

You got to cut people off .

11:48

That's just how it is you got to do it

11:50

. It's actually kind of fun . It's

11:52

like a demolition derby .

11:53

Yeah it's , it's gotta fucking yeah

11:55

that's how that tests you as a real driver . Right there , get

11:58

as close as you can on someone's back end , right

12:01

fucking ride there , absolutely all right

12:03

.

12:03

Thank you very much , kate . Uh , next we

12:05

have a question from I am serious

12:07

and don't call me shirley . What

12:10

quote is that from ?

12:11

I'm trying , I was trying to remember . I saw that in the

12:13

show notes . Yeah , and I was trying . I was

12:15

like it sounds familiar , but I didn't know where it was from

12:17

.

12:18

Surely it can't be serious . Oh uh , I am

12:20

serious . Airplane .

12:22

I see how I knew it .

12:23

Surely it can't be serious . Oh my God , I am serious

12:25

One time .

12:28

Don't call me Shirley . I don't know if

12:30

I can tell this on the podcast

12:33

, but I'm not an expert . And

12:36

I was watching Airplane and I'm telling

12:38

you I've never laughed so I've seen it a million

12:40

times already , but it was

12:42

the fun . To that day

12:45

that was probably the most I've ever laughed

12:47

at a movie . It's just a classic

12:49

.

12:50

It's a classic . It's such a classic and it's so dry

12:52

, that it's .

12:55

I don't speak , jive , I do it's . I don't speak , jive , I

12:57

do all

13:01

right .

13:02

So their question is I posted this on instagram

13:04

and patreon the other day . Uh

13:06

question is if someone handed

13:09

you a book about your life right now

13:11

, from birth to death , would

13:13

you read it to the end ? Now , you

13:16

can't change anything in the book . Like the book , this is

13:18

your life , this is what what has happened

13:20

, is currently happening and will happen . You can't change

13:22

anything any of it . Would

13:24

you read it ?

13:25

I get to see how it ends , yeah oh

13:27

fuck .

13:29

No , I'm good you're not reading it . No

13:31

, I would . I up to that point

13:33

, sure I'll read it . I'll relive

13:35

the . I don't even know , though . I can't even relisten

13:37

to a podcast episode without

13:40

cringing , without cringing yeah , I did that

13:42

yeah , I just I

13:45

don't know , maybe I , maybe I can't do it yeah

13:48

can I pick spurs ? Is it chapter by chapter

13:50

, like age by age ? I might pick out the highlight

13:52

, the highlight films . I might really really the

13:54

highlights , the cliff notes , yep , and

13:56

then uh , yeah , no , I , and then yeah , no , I don't want

13:58

to know how it ends .

14:00

Yeah , basically it's like do you want to know how you're

14:02

going to die ? Basically , that's what it is . I mean because you've already Well

14:04

, not even just that , You've already I might live under a

14:06

fucking bridge .

14:07

You know what I mean . I might lose everything you never know

14:10

. I might

14:13

live in a fucking trailer home with Pantheons

14:16

, pantheon , columns .

14:17

See , like my whole thing is like , like I wouldn't

14:19

want to know how I die or

14:22

when or what . Like I said , you can't change

14:24

it . Like that's , it's written , it's

14:26

the way it's going to be . The

14:28

thing that would that I would refuse

14:31

to want to know about is what

14:33

happens to my family , my

14:36

kids , my like if , if I read like a couple chapters ahead

14:38

and it's like , oh , this happens to your cut

14:41

kid , yeah , yeah , you know what I mean

14:43

, yeah , that would fuck you . Like what the fuck

14:45

? Nope , nope , I don't want to know anything , nope

14:48

yeah , no , that's that doesn't

14:50

.

14:50

I don't think anybody would want to do that , but if it was

14:52

all right , here we go , though , if that book was

14:54

in front of you on your coffee table right

14:57

every day . It never left

14:59

. It had to stay on your coffee table . It would be very

15:01

hard not to . It'd

15:03

be like . You know what I mean .

15:04

The red button .

15:05

It would be like the red button that says do not press

15:08

right in the middle of your coffee table . Because

15:11

you know it's going to be like no , I don't want to . And then you'd be sitting

15:13

there watching TV looking like , oh fuck , I'll

15:15

just read one chapter and then you'll

15:18

just keep going , you'll keep going .

15:23

And then all of a sudden you'll realize wait , there's no more chapters

15:25

. Or you read up to like present day yeah

15:27

, and there's only like three pages left .

15:31

Oh no .

15:37

This book should be a lot bigger . Yeah

15:39

, I'm not reading it . Reading it ? Nope , nope . I don't want to know anything . Yeah

15:41

, I'm with you on that , no way , uh , so great question , don't call me shirley

15:44

. Uh , next we have lucy and she wants to

15:46

know don't call me shirley that's funny

15:48

would you rather ?

15:49

have to bring him to the hospital . Yeah , what is it

15:51

? It's a big brick building . That's funny .

16:04

All right . So Lucy asked would you rather be faced

16:06

with a tiger shark or a saltwater

16:09

crocodile ?

16:11

Oh , that's a good one . I'm going

16:13

tiger shark .

16:14

I would much rather face a Tiger Shark

16:16

.

16:16

I've seen too many National

16:19

Geographic videos of them redirecting

16:21

them with their hands .

16:22

Right , you know what I mean . Just give them a little tap

16:24

and they're just like okay .

16:25

But a saltwater croc , you're not fucking redirecting

16:28

. Yeah , no , even

16:31

though then again too is . You also see a lot of those , a

16:33

lot of crocodiles are fucking dumb . They're

16:44

dumb as shit . You can literally just step over them and they'll be like they look like

16:46

. They look like an old person trying to eat , like they're missing their fucking

16:50

spoon . They do , though they're , they're dumb people

16:52

are like oh , saltwater crocs are hilarious . You see

16:54

some of those guys . They slap them in the face and shit

16:56

, they're like they just snap , they don't I

16:59

feel like one saltwater croc is

17:01

not that scary if you have like , if you're swimming

17:03

through a river of them then

17:05

, you're fucked but like one .

17:07

Well , I'm saying this all saltwater

17:10

, freshwater , whatever crocodiles , alligators

17:12

, well yeah , they can all fuck off the hell because

17:15

they got that Death

17:17

spin shit .

17:18

Yeah , what I mean ? What's a lock ?

17:19

once they lock and they fucking twist you around and rip your

17:22

fucking legs off and shit . And then if you got two

17:24

crocodiles and each have like a fucking limb

17:26

and they're both doing the twist thing , yeah , you're doing

17:28

a fucking sucks and then they'll just bring your body underwater

17:30

and story under a rock later .

17:32

Right , they'll eat you underwater .

17:35

So , but we are scientific here

17:37

at criminal AF and I looked up some

17:39

stats . Oh , okay , so up

17:41

until 2021 Crocs for

17:43

sure there have been 131

17:46

attacks and 34

17:48

deaths ever recorded

17:51

for tiger shark . Yeah , so

17:53

34 human deaths in the history

17:55

of ever recording tiger shark

17:57

attacks . Okay , now let's check on

17:59

saltwater I guarantee you , it's in the thousands

18:01

now in the

18:03

defense of the saltwater crocodiles . It doesn't separate

18:06

between saltwater and freshwater , but

18:08

the number of human fatalities

18:10

is let me check my notes here

18:12

1 000 per year holy

18:15

shit yeah so

18:17

yeah fuck that . A thousand

18:19

per year , yes , of human deaths by

18:21

crocodiles . There you go .

18:23

And not only that , they fucking eat each other also

18:25

oh yeah , how many times I've

18:27

seen videos of like trainers

18:29

or whatever at like uh zoos throw

18:31

in a chicken , and then one of them

18:33

like they both snap yeah , one of them

18:35

grabs the other alligator and then starts death

18:37

rolling , rips off that alligator's ear or

18:40

arm , arm , sorry , it's crazy

18:42

yep , it's nuts

18:44

yeah , like tiger sharks , usually the only

18:46

attack .

18:46

If you provoke them or if you piss them off somehow

18:48

or now , crocodiles will fucking hunt

18:50

you down and murder you on purpose .

18:52

Yeah , you know what I mean I I think also

18:55

too is jaws put

18:57

a fear in people . I

18:59

think it was such a prolific film at the time that it

19:01

just created shark culture , like

19:03

shark hate shark being scared of sharks

19:05

yeah when , really , if you look at the stats across the

19:07

board , yeah , you're more likely

19:10

to die by like almost any other animal spider . But yeah , then sharks

19:12

I don't know if that's across the board You're more likely to die by like almost any other animal Spider bite Than sharks .

19:14

I don't know if that's true .

19:16

Well , spider bites definitely .

19:17

Yeah , so thank you very much , lucy

19:19

. Yeah , I will a hundred percent swim with a tiger

19:22

shark . Yeah , and for the last

19:24

mail call question , we have Debbie

19:26

from true crime university and she asks

19:28

if you could visit any crime scene

19:30

before anyone fucked with it . What

19:32

would it be now debbie's ? She said

19:35

hers would be the velisca axe

19:37

murderers , the idaho four

19:39

or the delphite murders . Those

19:41

are all good ones , those are all like .

19:42

I think I know what yours would be well , you already

19:45

know , but I'm not gonna say it because it's too it's

19:47

. It's easy . What is it ? It's dommer dude . I

19:50

want to go in the apartment but oh , I

19:52

thought somebody different no , who were you gonna

19:54

say ?

19:55

uh , sharon tate house .

19:57

Oh fuck , that'd be a good one . That's

20:00

what I thought you were gonna say . I mean , I'd be in the pool

20:02

, I'd be hanging out when the cops got there

20:04

. I know I feel like the apartment is so iconic . Yeah

20:07

, um , I also uh , the amityville

20:09

horror . Uh murders too

20:11

would be cool , just because I I don't know I love

20:13

that house . I want to see the boat

20:16

shed . I

20:18

was always interested in that story . I

20:20

don't know if I want to see dead children . There's

20:23

something about that apartment though Donner's apartment

20:25

Like the random shitty fish

20:28

tank next to a couple fucking

20:30

weird . It's such a bachelor's part

20:32

. It makes me laugh when I see pictures of that like

20:34

who lives like that there's

20:36

, there's , like no blinds yeah

20:39

, a random , like uh metal chair

20:41

yeah , just and then a shitty couch that he

20:43

got off of . Amazon probably pick

20:45

it up off the street . Yeah

20:47

, he picked it up off the street one wooden dresser

20:50

just full of fucking body parts in

20:52

his face .

20:54

Yeah .

20:55

I was thinking like no headboard for sure , yeah

20:57

, just a mattress on a .

20:59

On a fucking , on a box spring Slab . Yeah

21:02

, I was going to say , like the Wonderland murders , although

21:05

there is video of the crime scene

21:07

with the victims still present on

21:09

YouTube . You can see that video wherever . So

21:16

then I was thinking that I'll go with the Gainesville Ripper murders , where

21:18

he went in and for a two , three day period he murdered

21:20

five college kids

21:22

, yeah , yeah , and

21:24

then he positioned the body he like cut one girl's

21:26

head off .

21:27

Yeah , but you just want to watch , you just want to

21:29

see what the bodies look like all positioned

21:31

.

21:33

Yeah so basically .

21:34

You're just going to walk . You're the first one

21:36

on the scene , basically Gotcha . You know what I mean . He

21:40

positioned this one girl on the

21:42

bed with her ass up in the air , I

21:45

guess , with her head on top of her fucking ass , or some

21:47

shit . You know what I mean . Another

21:50

one he had something over on the fucking bookcase

21:52

if I could think about

21:54

it I'd have .

21:55

I'd come up with some better answer , but I first . My first

21:57

reaction is the Dahmer's apartment , the Dahmer's

21:59

apartment .

21:59

I wouldn't mind the Tate one also yeah

22:02

, sure too , that would be cool put a Labianco

22:04

on . Yeah , so

22:07

yeah , I'm so thank you very much uh

22:09

, debbie , and that'll wrap it up for mail . Call

22:12

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af all right , dave yes

23:00

let's go to florida .

23:02

Yee-haw , what

23:04

in the fuck is ? Going on in florida

23:06

All

23:14

right

23:19

, we have two Florida men today , because

23:21

I just saw

23:23

this , I'm going to get one more bite of this peanut butter . Are

23:25

you actually going to ?

23:26

eat it yeah .

23:29

Oh you like it , I'm fucking hungry

23:32

. Oh my God . Florida woman arrested

23:34

. Oh , it's actually a . I'm fucking hungry , ugh , all right

23:37

go . Florida woman arrested oh , it's actually a Florida

23:39

woman today , sorry . Florida woman

23:41

arrested after gun found in child's lunchbox at daycare

23:43

. It's so Florida .

23:45

Mom , can you pack me a lunchable ?

23:47

Yeah , pack me my high

23:49

point . Riviera Beach

23:51

, florida . A South Florida woman is facing

23:54

charges after a gun was found inside a child's lunchbox

23:57

by a daycare teacher . Shana

24:00

Davis , 39 , was arrested on charges

24:02

of child neglect and allowing a minor to obtain a

24:04

firearm to take to school . According

24:06

to an arrest affidavit Affidavit

24:09

, on

24:13

March 14th a daycare teacher called Riviera beach police after finding a gun in a child's lunchbox

24:15

. The teacher told police she was opening up the child's

24:17

lunchbox and screamed gun . She

24:21

saw the firearm inside of it . The

24:23

affidavit another

24:26

teacher's response to help and

24:28

pick up the gun with gloves to determine if it was

24:30

real , which it was and they called police . No

24:32

one was hurt . When davis arrived

24:35

, she told law enforcement that she normally leaves the gun in her

24:37

car's glove box but lately had

24:39

been taking the weapon out of the car because of the multiple

24:41

break-ins at her apartment complex . So

24:44

so you throw it in your kid

24:46

she said on that morning , while she was getting the

24:48

child ready for school , she placed the gun inside

24:50

the lunchbox because she did not carry a purse

24:53

. What , oh my

24:55

?

24:55

God what .

24:56

There's no way and

24:58

did not want the gun to be visible . Davis told police

25:01

she forgot to take the gun out of the lunchbox . There

25:04

is no way . How the fuck

25:06

did that even happen ? Though the owner of the school

25:08

did not want to press charges

25:11

, Davis was taken into custody and booked .

25:12

I hope , so what the fuck you mean ?

25:14

not press charges into the bill like that

25:16

that's an immediate dcf . Uh

25:18

, yeah , call everything but the principal was

25:20

like that's fine now I get

25:22

it

25:24

, it's florida

25:27

davis was taken into custody and

25:29

booked into the palm beach county jail jesus

25:31

fucking wild .

25:34

Oh , here's your fucking crustables

25:36

. Your carrot sticks the crazy part

25:39

and glock the crazy part is , is that could

25:41

have ended so bad .

25:42

Oh bad , yeah . Like if the teacher didn't catch

25:44

it , it's daycare , so you know they're young if they

25:46

don't they just like send them to their like little circle

25:49

, like eat at lunch , and

25:51

nobody caught it and that kid picks that fucking

25:53

thing up . Oh , it's fucking .

25:54

Whoa , that's scary shit , dude .

25:56

Yeah , that's serious

25:59

. What a dumb ass person

26:01

. Alright , what's the other one ? Alright

26:03

, the other one , the other one's good

26:05

. Man masturbating while

26:07

riding child's bicycle in a Walmart parking

26:10

lot arrested .

26:10

No , no , no , no

26:13

no , no , no , no

26:15

the crackhead on the Barbie bike strikes again

26:17

.

26:17

Oh my God , We've talked about this on the podcast

26:19

about crackheads riding little kid

26:21

bikes , dude , they're

26:23

unstoppable . A man caught masturbating on a child's

26:26

bicycle in a Walmart parking lot was arrested and

26:28

charged with indecent exposure . Lot was

26:30

arrested and charged with indecent exposure . On March

26:32

21st , the Margate Police Department received an indecent

26:34

exposure call from the Walmart parking lot located at

26:36

5501 West Atlantic Boulevard . Upon

26:39

arrival , officers spoke with the victim , a homeless

26:41

woman who was in her vehicle at the time . Oh

26:44

, that's horrible . The

26:46

woman reported a man and later identified as Mondale

26:49

Ellis , 37 , of North

26:51

Lauderdale , was masturbating while on

26:53

a child's bicycle mirror truck . I

26:55

want to quite . How are you jerking off , yeah

26:57

, while you're riding a bike ?

26:59

that's some crazy like I'm gonna see you like kind

27:01

of like doing loops , just yeah , hovering

27:03

around like a shark around the car .

27:05

He's fucking stroking his fucking meat , staring

27:08

at the lady in the car fucking high as a

27:10

kite just swarming

27:12

around her fucking car like a

27:14

shark rubbing his fucking dick out

27:16

oh man . Based on the description given

27:18

by the victim , police quickly located and confronted

27:20

Ellis . Officers were able to have

27:22

the victim positively identified , ellis

27:25

, as the man she was saw masturbating outside her truck

27:27

. Ellis was arrested and transported to

27:29

the Broward County Main Jail

27:31

where he was being held on $2,500

27:34

bond . Wow , I

27:36

just thought that was so funny .

27:37

Excuse me , ma'am , Is this the man that was masturbating

27:40

on the bike ? Sir , whip your dick

27:42

out please .

27:43

No , there's no way . You don't see that guy Like

27:45

no , you could spot him in a

27:47

lineup for sure .

27:48

Start masturbating , please , sir . Yes , that's him he

27:53

lineup , for sure Start masturbating , please , sir .

27:53

You know what he probably ? Yes , that's him . He probably had one of those raggy coats on and he's just woo-hoo . I think Reno 911 when .

27:55

I hear that the kid on the roller skates .

27:58

Nick Skortzen plays the doodle-do

28:01

. Woo Woo .

28:03

Just fucking going to town .

28:05

Oh , that's a funny sight . I'm telling you it just

28:07

adds to the lore of crackheads on

28:09

Barbie bikes . Yep , ding , ding , ding , ding

28:11

, ding , ding , ding , ding , ding , ding . What's

28:14

in the water in Florida ?

28:16

All right , let's get right to this story here . Back in 1986

28:19

, two sisters who decided to have a seance

28:21

to conjure up their dead mother's spirit

28:23

Thought they actually succeeded , but

28:26

what happened was a lot more sinister

28:28

than what they expected . So

28:31

pack up your lunchbox . Don't forget

28:33

your glock , because it's time to

28:35

fuck this episode in the mouth . All

28:37

right , so in 1986

28:40

, sisters tina and karen bowen , age 15

28:43

and 9 , had recently lost their mother to cancer

28:45

. In a desperate attempt to feel a connection

28:47

with their late mother , the girls decided to have

28:49

a seance in their basement . They didn't

28:51

expect anything to come of it , but

28:53

what if the

28:56

girls conducted the seance and , as expected

28:58

, nothing happened ? Later that evening

29:00

, the girls began hearing rhythmic knocking

29:02

on their bedroom wall . In the middle of

29:04

the night , the two girls began speaking to these strange

29:07

knocking sounds and , shockingly , the knocks appeared to be in response

29:09

to the questions the girls were asking . In each question they asked , the knocks

29:11

appeared to be in response to the questions the girls were asking . In each question they

29:13

asked , the knocks seemed to have the correct

29:15

answer . Perhaps the

29:17

seance did work . This

29:19

went on for several nights in a row . It appeared that

29:21

the girls had their mother back , albeit from another

29:24

realm . The knocks began

29:26

to become more frequent , even

29:28

if the girls weren't asking any questions . It came to

29:30

the point where they would be woken up from a deep sleep

29:33

, night after night , unprovoked

29:35

, and Knox would keep the girls awake a

29:37

few weeks later . Objects throughout the house began

29:39

to disappear . Furniture would be moved

29:41

from one spot in the house to another and sometimes

29:44

irons would be strewn across the floor .

29:45

I'm not gonna lie . This would start scaring the out

29:47

of me .

29:48

Yeah , it would start scaring if none of this

29:50

happened prior to this and seance you

29:53

did and then everything started happening . Fuck , I'd

29:55

be shitting my fucking pants . So

29:57

both Tina and Karen now believe that their seance

29:59

didn't conjure the spirit of their beloved mother

30:01

, but that of a malevolent spirit

30:03

brought something else . The

30:06

girls spoke with their father , frank Bowen , and

30:08

explained the seance , the knocking and the items

30:11

going missing and being moved around without reason

30:13

. Of

30:15

course , frank didn't believe a word that they had told him . He was rather confident

30:17

that the girls , in an attempt to deal with their

30:19

mother's death , made up the entire story

30:21

. They in fact were the ones

30:24

who were creating the mischief throughout the house .

30:26

I would have to believe that too , as their father . You

30:28

know it's a rough time Kids are going through

30:30

the loss of their mom .

30:31

They're making stuff up In January of

30:33

1987 , the

30:35

knocking once again began while

30:38

Tina and Karen were home alone . This

30:40

time , while they were in the living room of

30:42

the home . Rather than coming from the

30:44

walls , the knocks were coming from the basement

30:47

. The girls

30:49

, armed with a kitchen knife , made their way down the

30:51

stairs . There they made a

30:53

shocking discovery . Written

30:55

on the wall , in a red substance , were

30:57

the words I'm in your bedroom . Come

31:00

and find me .

31:00

Fucking terrifying .

31:02

Tina and Karen screamed , and they ran as

31:04

fast as they could from their house to that of

31:07

their neighbor , where they called their father at work and

31:09

told him to come home right away . Frank

31:12

came home immediately and , still believing that

31:14

this was the work of his daughters , decided

31:16

enough was enough . Tina

31:18

and Karen were sent to counseling to help them

31:20

come to terms with the loss of their mother .

31:25

Several weeks had passed and the girls were home alone again when

31:28

he thought they needed it Right Always , always

31:30

. That's a good thing .

31:31

Mm-hmm . Several

31:34

weeks had passed and the girls were home alone again . Out of

31:36

the blue they heard the knocking noises once again

31:38

, this time coming from Tina's

31:40

room , behind the wall . The

31:43

girls entered the bedroom and written on the wall

31:46

in a red substance was

31:48

I'm back . Find me

31:50

if you can . Oh fuck that so

31:53

was . I'm back . Find me if you can . Ah , fuck that . So the girls again ran screaming to

31:55

their neighbor's house and called their father , explaining

31:57

everything that had just occurred . Frank

31:59

again raced home and berated the girls . Enough

32:02

is enough . Frank was determined

32:04

to get to the bottom of this . Either the girls

32:06

are playing these tricks to get attention or

32:09

they really did summon their mother from beyond

32:11

the grave . What else could it be right

32:14

?

32:14

Yeah .

32:16

So Frank stormed into the house and was taken aback . The

32:18

house was in shambles . The girls didn't

32:20

say this when they explained what happened . Frank

32:23

cautiously made his way through the house while the girls

32:25

and the neighbor stayed downstairs . Frank

32:28

entered Tina's room and in

32:30

a fresh inscription on the wall were

32:32

the words Marry me . Suddenly

32:36

, frank is startled when he hears a noise coming from the

32:38

closet . He quickly turns around and

32:40

sees a person standing in Tina's closet dressed

32:42

in his dead wife's clothes .

32:44

That's fucking terrifying .

32:46

The person charged , frank wielding a hatchet , and

32:49

a struggle ensued In the commotion

32:51

. The person broke free and managed to

32:53

disappear into thin air . Frank

32:55

stumbled out of the bedroom and raced down the stairs

32:58

. He grabbed the girls and they and the

33:00

neighbor ran out of the house to call the police

33:02

. The police arrived

33:04

and moved in to clear the house . The

33:06

inscriptions on the walls they discovered were

33:08

written in ketchup . When they investigated

33:11

further , they noticed that a false wall

33:13

was built in the teen's closet . They

33:15

opened this wall and inside , still

33:17

dressed in their dead mother's clothes , was

33:19

a boy , a 15-year-old named

33:21

Daniel LaPlante .

33:23

What a fucking lunatic . I'm not going

33:25

to lie , though . That's a good touch

33:27

to dress as the dead mom and

33:29

listen , you got to give credit where it's due .

33:30

That's like some psycho fucking shit . That's what I mean .

33:32

You got to give credit where it's due to really like he

33:34

went above and beyond to traumatize

33:36

those girls if they found him .

33:38

So LaPlante was immediately arrested

33:40

and taken into custody . Police continued

33:43

to search the rest of the home . It

33:45

was learned that LaPlante would enter the home

33:47

when it was vacant and made the access

33:49

through Tina's closet . There were

33:51

peepholes in each of the rooms throughout the house

33:53

, and LaPlante even constructed access

33:55

to other areas of the home so he could

33:57

easily make it from the bedroom to the basement

34:00

through the walls without

34:02

notice .

34:02

He was like a fucking little rat .

34:06

And it was learned that la plant was actually living in these

34:08

walls for weeks , jesus

34:10

talk about taking stalking to another

34:12

level .

34:13

Dude . What's

34:15

crazy is he never actually like tried to make contact

34:17

at that point , like clearly the guy is psychotic . He

34:20

was living like . I think he enjoyed the , the

34:22

scaring like that was . That was his thing , because

34:25

any other stalker would have already

34:27

tried to either kill them or

34:29

take them captive or whatever .

34:31

Right , he's playing the long game .

34:32

The long game is understanding that you're building

34:35

tunnels in this person's house .

34:37

So how did we get to this point and

34:39

who the fuck is Daniel playing Criminal

34:42

? Af will be back after this quick break .

34:45

So you like to listen to people talk about

34:47

crime , but did you ever wonder

34:49

why criminals do the things

34:51

they do , like what makes them tick

34:53

? My name is Debbie and

34:56

I'm the professor at True Crime University

34:58

. Join me in the classroom

35:00

Thursdays wherever you get your podcasts

35:03

for intellectual discussions

35:05

about crime , psychology

35:07

and why criminals do what they do

35:09

. See you there .

35:12

Now back to Criminal AF . So

35:14

Daniel LaPlante was born in Townsend , massachusetts

35:17

, back in 1970 . From

35:19

what I've read , he suffered a horrible and traumatic

35:21

childhood , but there isn't much to go on as far

35:24

as documented examples as

35:27

he was a minor and a lot of information is

35:29

sealed , but for all intents and purposes

35:31

it is said to be worse than most people can imagine

35:34

. It's known that LaPlante

35:36

suffered extreme sexual and

35:38

physical abuse from a number of adults involved

35:41

in his young life . Abuse

35:44

from a number of adults involved in his young life his biological father is said to

35:46

be the worst of them all , abusing him sexually , emotionally and physically

35:48

on a daily basis . This

35:51

abuse would continue after his parents separated

35:53

and his new stepfather would allegedly sexually

35:55

abuse him as well . Wow , his mom really picks him

35:57

oh yeah , yeah , she's like hmm

35:59

, I see you got a decent job , you drive a nice

36:01

car . Uh , do you fuck you ? You fuck little boys

36:03

. Okay , yeah , you can move in . Uh

36:06

. He was diagnosed with dyslexia and hyperactivity

36:08

disorder and he fell behind in school

36:10

at a young age , both academically and socially

36:12

, and was picked on relentlessly by his classmates

36:15

. Things only became worse

36:17

when the plant entered high school . At north middlesex

36:19

high school . He was the weird kid

36:21

, the creepy kid , and he was bullied incessantly

36:24

. Laplante's mental and

36:26

emotional state rapidly declined as a result

36:28

of the extreme abuse , both in the home and

36:30

at school . School officials

36:33

decided that LaPlante would be best served if

36:35

he began seeing a psychiatrist , and

36:38

his mother agreed it's

36:40

a good idea , right , the one

36:42

good decision she probably made

36:44

. Nope , because this

36:47

would make an already bad situation for

36:49

the planet even worse . The psychiatrist

36:51

who was entrusted to help him soon

36:54

began sexually abusing him as well . Jesus

36:56

christ , another male figure

36:59

in his tormented life taking advantage

37:01

of a seriously disturbed young man .

37:03

You couldn't get away from one of these guys

37:05

. No , every day .

37:07

I don't know , but you

37:09

fucking psychiatrist is Ugh

37:12

Wow . So

37:14

, as can be expected , by the time LaPlante turned

37:16

15 , he was already well-versed

37:19

in criminal activity . Often breaking

37:21

into people's homes , he would steal items

37:23

from these homes . Sometimes he would just rearrange

37:25

things , and other times he'd leave behind items

37:27

he stole from other houses . Eventually

37:30

, he just broke into these homes for no personal

37:32

gain other than to just fuck with people , which

37:36

led him to 15 year old Tina Bowen

37:38

. Now it's unclear how

37:40

his obsession with Tina began , whether he saw

37:42

her in school or if he saw a picture on a wall

37:44

when he broke into her house , but the

37:47

obsession was pretty immediate

37:49

.

37:50

I would say yeah .

37:51

Now it's believed that LaPlante allegedly acquired

37:54

her phone number during one of his many break-ins

37:56

and began calling her . At

37:58

first LaPlante introduced himself to Tina

38:00

, saying that he had gotten her phone number from a mutual

38:03

friend who went to the same school . Laplante

38:06

described himself as athletic

38:08

, handsome , well-educated

38:10

, blonde hair . You know just , a boy

38:13

next door , you know whatever ? A

38:15

Disney prince ? Yeah , pretty much . And

38:18

over time Tina Bowen became smitten with the mysterious

38:20

Danny who she spoke to almost nightly . Eventually , danny asked Tina if she would

38:22

like to go on a date and she agreed . Became smitten with the mysterious Danny who she spoke to almost

38:24

nightly . Eventually , danny asked Tina if she

38:26

would like to go on a date and she agreed . On

38:30

the night of the date , danny shows up

38:32

and knocks on her door . When Tina opens the

38:34

door to greet him , she was shocked to

38:36

discover that Danny was not blonde or

38:38

athletic or even fucking good looking .

38:41

You would think that , like if you were going to go on a date , you

38:43

would think that , like if you were gonna go on a date , you would just be like , all right , I've been

38:46

lying yeah here's the truth . This guy just talk about psychotic

38:48

.

38:48

This guy just showed up like hey shows

38:51

up on the front porch and he's disheveled

38:53

, he's dirty , his clothes

38:55

are all fucking disgusting . He's got greasy

38:57

, dark hair . Now most girls

38:59

would freak the fuck out and slam the door in his face , if

39:02

only for the sole reason that he lied . But

39:04

Tina was different . She

39:08

was kind and she didn't want to hurt his feelings , so she reluctantly agreed to go

39:10

on a date to the local fair

39:12

. The conversation quickly

39:15

turned strange . After Tina divulged to

39:17

LaPlante that her mother recently died Suddenly

39:20

, laplante's shy demeanor quickly vanished

39:22

. He began asking Tina

39:24

multiple questions about her mother's death . What

39:26

did she die from ? Did she die quick or did

39:28

she suffer On and on with rapid-fire

39:31

questions about Tina's mother's death ? After

39:34

about an hour or so , tina made the excuse to

39:36

end the date and she left with every

39:38

intention of never seeing or speaking to LaPlante

39:41

ever again . Laplante obviously

39:43

, as we already spoke about , had other ideas

39:45

. He was present inside the walls

39:47

of tina's house when she and her sister

39:50

decided to hold the seance , and the rest

39:52

is history oh , he must

39:54

love that oh yeah , now

39:56

after laplante's arrest for breaking into the

39:58

bones house , he was charged with four counts

40:00

of kidnapping , really four counts

40:02

of armed assault in a dwelling , breaking

40:05

and entering , larceny of more than $100

40:07

, and malicious destruction of property

40:10

. He was placed

40:12

in a juvenile detention facility where he stayed

40:14

until October of 1987

40:16

.

40:16

I wonder why the kidnapping charges .

40:19

Because he intended to kidnap him .

40:22

But intent is not .

40:23

I don't know , that's what I just found on

40:25

there . No , no , just interesting to me .

40:27

I was just seeing , if you , think you had put it together

40:29

. You know they throw random charges and stuff like

40:31

that .

40:32

Yeah , just see if it sticks .

40:33

But that's interesting . I didn't think kidnapping

40:36

would be . Well

40:50

, they had it for the father , the two girls and the neighbor , because they were all in the house at the

40:52

time he attacked , so maybe I don't know , interesting , weird uh all our uh legal friends out there . Yeah

40:54

, comment send in , send it in . I'm curious how ? Why did he get kidnapped ?

40:56

all right . So he was placed

40:58

in a juvenile detention facility where he stayed

41:00

until october of 1987 , when

41:03

his case was transferred from juvenile court

41:05

to adult court , which now made

41:07

him eligible for a bond . It's

41:10

believed his mother bailed him out , but

41:12

he was scheduled to return for another hearing on December

41:15

11th 1987 , but

41:17

we will soon learn that LaPlante had

41:19

other plans . Upon

41:22

his release in October , LaPlante

41:24

immediately reverted back to breaking into people's

41:26

homes .

41:27

I'll tell you right now , as a judge

41:29

, like listening to

41:31

the story and like recounting there's clearly

41:34

something wrong with this fucking boy . It

41:36

needs to be psychiatric

41:38

help , Something like that . That

41:40

is a long . Like

41:42

you said , it's the long game . For sure A

41:45

normal person doesn't . There's definitely

41:47

like some scary behavior there .

41:49

Absolutely , absolutely . He's definitely

41:51

got some deep , deep

41:54

, deep fucking shit going on . In

41:56

November , laplante broke into his neighbor's

41:58

house and stole two handguns and ammunition

42:00

On December

42:03

1st . I wonder if he put them in his lunchbox , carried

42:06

around in his fucking A-team

42:09

.

42:09

My little pony .

42:12

On December 1st 1987 , this

42:14

story takes an even darker and more twisted

42:16

turn . During the day of

42:18

December 1st , laplante broke into

42:20

a home less than a mile from his house . Inside

42:23

the home was 33-year-old Priscilla Gustafson

42:26

, a preschool teacher who was also

42:28

pregnant , and her two children , 7-year-old

42:30

Abigail and 5-year-old William

42:32

. Priscilla's husband

42:34

, andrew , was at work at the time . When

42:37

he returned later that day , andrew's entire

42:40

life was turned upside down . He

42:42

entered his home as he did every other day , greeted

42:45

by his children racing up to him to give him a hug and

42:47

a kiss . But today the

42:49

house was eerily quiet .

42:52

It's just eerie to me because that's literally

42:54

would be right around the same

42:56

age as my kids my wife .

42:58

That's how you walk in the door . Imagine

43:00

walking in the door and there's nothing .

43:01

Nothing that would completely red

43:03

flag right off the rip . Yeah , oh

43:06

, that's that's . I just feel for the husband

43:08

yeah .

43:08

So andrew calls throughout the house , but there is no

43:10

answer from priscilla or the kids concerned

43:14

. He begins going from room to room in

43:16

search of his family . Inside

43:18

their bedroom , andrew discovers priscilla

43:21

face down on their bed , pillows

43:23

and bedding soaked in blood , naked

43:26

from the waist down . Andrew

43:28

immediately calls police . It

43:30

was discovered soon after what had happened to the children

43:32

. Five-year-old William

43:35

was found in the upstairs bathroom tub floating

43:37

in water . Seven-year-old

43:39

Abigail was found in a similar state in

43:41

the downstairs bathroom tub . He had drowned

43:44

both kids . So how did the

43:46

planet so quickly turn into a petty thief ?

43:49

Yeah , that's huge . That's a huge

43:51

escalation there . I mean

43:53

, what was it about that ? Was

43:56

it the defenseless ?

43:59

Well , from what they're saying , all he

44:01

was up until this point was a petty thief . He fucked up people

44:03

, he just moved shit around , blah , blah , blah . And now he's

44:06

going in . And now he's a rapist and a murderer

44:08

, right , yeah , so it's believed that

44:10

LaPlante . He always had that

44:12

viciousness inside of him , but he was like

44:14

either too weak , too scrawny . He didn't have the confidence

44:16

whatever to pull it off until

44:19

he got a hold of his neighbor's

44:21

guns . Now

44:23

he had something to be like yeah , what now , motherfucker

44:26

?

44:26

Yeah , yeah , yeah , you going to run , you going to run

44:28

.

44:28

Right . So now he

44:30

had the power to control people and

44:35

he'd been eyeing this particular house for some time and he knew what time Andrew left for

44:37

work and when he would return , making

44:40

a pregnant Priscilla alone with

44:42

her two young children an easy target . But

44:45

if there was one thing that LaPlante wasn't , it

44:48

would be that he wasn't smart . He's

44:50

a fucking idiot .

44:51

I mean , depends how you look at it too .

44:53

I mean he was kind of smart to burrow through somebody's fucking house . That's

44:55

what I mean .

44:56

To live unnoticed in someone's house for

44:58

a week . It's just a different

45:00

type of smart .

45:01

Right , but he

45:04

flubbed a lot of things here . So police quickly

45:06

surmised that , uh

45:08

, it was he who broke into the house and committed murders

45:10

. He had a history of breaking into neighbor's houses

45:13

and he was just recently released for the incident

45:15

with the bone family , so he was

45:17

added to a very short list of suspects

45:19

. Uh , police went to track down

45:21

, laplante his home , but , uh , he

45:23

had fled . A

45:26

search was conducted of his home and police found a pair of

45:28

sneakers that matched the tread found in the

45:30

garden of the gustafson home . A

45:33

sock with saliva and blood

45:35

was found . Oh , this guy just kept everything . Yeah

45:37

, believed to have been tied around priscilla's mouth

45:39

, a cordless phone

45:41

that was taken from the gustafson home in

45:44

and a .22 caliber casing which matched

45:46

two casings found near Priscilla's body

45:48

, amongst numerous other items .

45:51

So he did . He raped and shot the

45:53

mom .

45:53

Yes , he

45:55

raped her , shot

45:58

her multiple times in the back of the head and

46:00

then drowned the children . His

46:03

trail was picked up after LaPlante had

46:05

broken into another home and kidnapped a woman

46:07

and stole her car . The woman

46:09

luckily escaped and called the police . After

46:13

another witness called , saying that they saw LaPlante

46:15

, he was finally found less than 48

46:18

hours later hiding in a dumpster

46:20

. When he was taken into custody

46:22

, his clothing was processed and police

46:24

found strains of hair on his socks that

46:27

were eventually linked to seven-year-old Abigail

46:29

. On December

46:31

4th 1987 , LaPlante pleaded

46:33

not guilty for three counts of first-degree murder

46:36

and his trial began in October of 1988

46:39

.

46:39

Three counts . There was a baby in there too .

46:42

Yeah , back in the 80s , I don't think they counted

46:45

babies as .

46:46

That's a good law that they added then , because that

46:49

should have been four counts .

46:52

LaPlante was ordered to undergo a psychological

46:54

examination and he was deemed fit to stand

46:56

trial as he acknowledged and

46:58

understood the charges against him and the ramifications

47:00

of the charges , even though

47:02

he was still a minor at the time of the murders . He

47:04

would be tried as an adult . There

47:07

were over 50 witnesses called

47:09

during the trial and LaPlante did himself no

47:11

favors by smiling , laughing

47:13

and showing absolutely no remorse whatsoever

47:15

during witness and expert testimony . Even

47:18

when they were talking about how the murders were committed

47:20

, he was just sitting there like fucking thriving

47:23

.

47:24

Yeah , if you look at the pictures of him in court , he

47:26

doesn't look like . Looks

47:29

really similar to the Parkland

47:31

shooter .

47:31

Yeah .

47:32

The same demeanor that he had .

47:33

Yep . So his defense attorneys . They

47:35

try to garner some sympathy from the jurors by

47:37

painting a picture of LaPlante's childhood filled

47:40

with physical , emotional , sexual abuse by

47:42

his biological father , his

47:45

stepfather , psychiatrist . And you know , as we say many

47:47

times in the show , we feel bad for the child version

47:49

of these shit stains . Yeah , but

47:51

that all goes out the window when they willingly and

47:53

knowingly go on to abuse and murder , especially

47:55

drowned a five and seven year old .

47:57

Yeah , like you , you gotta have . Like

47:59

it doesn't make you feel tough . Yeah , I

48:01

don't , I don't get that . I I mean , clearly

48:04

I'm not a fucking sadistic murderer

48:06

. So I just don't understand

48:08

how someone can do that your

48:10

childhood was so fucked up .

48:12

You're gonna turn around and you're gonna fucking kill knowledge . You're

48:14

gonna kill .

48:15

It's not a chase either it's not a thrill to kill

48:17

a five and seven year old , especially drown them in a

48:19

tub you're done . I mean maybe for him

48:21

he thinks he's big . Like you said , it's a well

48:23

, they were restrained .

48:24

They were restrained too . The kids , they're all

48:26

restrained , yeah , hands tied behind their back , fucking

48:29

ankles tied , all of them but I was saying , like you said

48:31

with the , with the gun you know a gun made him feel big

48:33

right and he felt

48:35

like I , I don't know .

48:36

I don't know , maybe that was , maybe he was bullied his whole

48:38

life and he felt like a fucking loser

48:40

I I don't know it , it's crazy to me .

48:42

Yeah , so the case finally

48:44

went to the jury and they came back five hours

48:46

later saying that Daniel

48:48

LaPlante , you can go fist yourself

48:51

for the rest of your fucking useless , miserable life . Good

48:53

Guilty on all counts . Three consecutive

48:55

life sentences with the possibility of

48:57

parole after 45 years what yeah

49:00

?

49:00

There's no way he got possibility of parole . Yeah

49:03

, 45 years .

49:04

He's not going to get it , but he got 45 . Oh

49:06

Now , as we

49:08

all know that with any murder conviction

49:10

the cum stain gets , fucking appeals

49:13

. So in 1993

49:15

, he appealed that the search warrant of his home

49:17

was unconstitutional and should not

49:19

have been granted . And

49:26

as we know , this is where the majority of the evidence against him was found

49:28

. And if granted , all of the evidence

49:30

would be ruled inadmissible . So the appeal

49:32

court said hey , daniel

49:35

LaPlante , you can keep fisting yourself

49:37

in fucking prison .

49:39

Good for them .

49:39

Yeah , so

49:43

well . Laplante wasn't satisfied with just fisting himself , so he had other

49:46

needs in prison . Damn it , I have other needs

49:48

than just fisting myself .

49:49

Well , crime against

49:51

children . He was probably getting fisted by someone else

49:54

. Yeah , let's be honest .

49:56

It says here that LaPlante

49:58

. He felt that his life was in danger , yeah

50:00

, so he requested to be transferred and placed

50:03

in confinement . This was granted

50:05

. But then he turns around and sues the

50:07

prison system because he was denied access

50:10

to the library , which you don't get

50:12

to go to the library when you're in solitary

50:14

confinement .

50:15

This guy thinks he's a mastermind .

50:18

Well , they awarded him $450 for

50:20

his inconvenience Can't go to the library

50:23

. Here's $450 . Add it to your commissary .

50:25

Yeah , people would probably pay like oh

50:27

good , here I'll pay his fine for him .

50:28

Fuck him Fuck him .

50:30

I would do it .

50:32

Oh , I'm so sorry , buddy . Here's $450

50:34

for your fucking soap shoes and your whatever

50:37

you buy . Yeah , your ramen Fuck

50:39

you .

50:40

Yeah , Fuck you Yep . So then he sued again

50:42

when porn he received in

50:44

the mail was confiscated . Now

50:46

porn is considered contraband

50:48

, you fucking idiot . Of course it's going to get confiscated

50:50

. Who the fuck ?

50:51

is sending him porn . I don't know . There's probably some

50:53

fucking sick weirdos .

50:54

There's some people out there that fucking send

50:56

nude photos and shit .

50:58

Listen , even though I think some of our fans would probably do that

51:01

. Some of the listeners of Criminal AF are

51:03

definitely sending some nudies to To

51:05

fucking LaPlante .

51:06

Yeah , there you go . Yeah

51:08

. So the prison system said you know

51:10

what ? You don't get the porn , sorry

51:12

, go fix yourself . Now , in 2013

51:15

, he sued again for what he claimed was refusal

51:17

to properly exercise his faith .

51:26

He suddenly became a Wiccan and he was denied access

51:29

to dragon's blood , black opium and honeysuckle . Oh , he's so annoying . He's like that

51:31

, that dude who's I don't even know . I know that type of person

51:33

. Just try it just try to weasel

51:35

.

51:35

He's just a weasel he's trying to weasel his way out of

51:37

everything . How do ?

51:38

you act like a prima donna in fucking

51:40

when you have three lifetime sentences now

51:43

.

51:43

apparently I didn't realize this about the Wiccan

51:45

religion , but apparently carrot

51:47

cake is also vital to practice in Wiccan

51:49

because that was part of his list

51:51

that he was not in access to Dragon's

51:54

blood , black opium , honeysuckle and carrot

51:57

cake .

51:58

That's interesting .

51:59

I don't know the rules of Wiccan , the Wiccan

52:01

religion . I think he just threw in carrot cake because he wanted

52:03

a fucking slice of carrot cake .

52:05

Give me some black opium and some carrot cake . He's

52:08

the type that like please just send his . If

52:10

he keeps whining and crying , put him in gem pop dude

52:13

, because he won't fucking last . No nope , all

52:15

those poor guys who miss their wives and kids

52:18

would fuck that dude up .

52:20

They're like come here , come on

52:22

over here , hold

52:25

of that dude . Oh , they're like come here , yeah , come on over here , hold my pocket . So , basically , the prison

52:28

system , they said uh , denied . You know , go fuck yourself . Now . In 2017

52:30

, laplante , now 46

52:32

years old , filed an appeal for

52:34

a reduced sentence after the supreme

52:37

court ruled that people who commit

52:39

violent crimes as juveniles cannot

52:41

be sentenced to life in prison without

52:44

parole . At this point , he

52:46

had been in prison for 30 years and he

52:48

was a changed man .

52:50

Oh yeah , sure .

52:51

Now , with this change , this would automatically

52:54

make LaPlante eligible for parole right

52:56

off the bat . In his appeal

52:58

, laplante made a statement . I

53:00

do not have the words to fully express

53:03

my profound sorrow , but

53:05

I am truly sorry for the harm that I have caused

53:07

From the very essence of who I

53:09

am , from the depths of my soul . I

53:12

am so sorry , but

53:16

his words weren't as heartfelt

53:18

as I just read them . He

53:20

was disassociated from these words that were

53:22

coming out of his stupid fucking mouth . So

53:25

basically he was just like hey , I'm sorry , you

53:27

know , fucking shit happened .

53:28

You wrote it down and it sounded nice written down . It was

53:30

like 30 years ago . Get over it . The real person

53:32

came out when he tried to say it .

53:35

Now the judge , seeing right through the soulless demon

53:38

in front of her , said Mr LaPlante

53:40

, I hear you like fisting

53:42

yourself and you can continue to go do so

53:44

. Your

53:47

sentence stands Three life sentences . He

53:49

will still be eligible for parole in the year 2032

53:52

, but let's be serious

53:55

, he'll never get out . There's no rehabilitation

53:57

for this dude . No , what

53:59

do you think , garrett ? What do you think of this story ?

54:02

That was great . I love this story . It's

54:05

a short one . It's a short one . It's a short one , but it's got a little bit of everything it's

54:07

got a little bit of everything , seances little

54:10

, paranormal little rats hiding in walls

54:12

it's such a good story .

54:14

I think it touches everything . It's got everything we

54:16

say we talk about . It's got murder , it's

54:19

got rape , it's got torture . It's got all

54:21

the things all wrapped up in a little fucking

54:24

shell .

54:25

Let's hope , though 2032 . Let's hope

54:27

the judge makes another good decision

54:29

. Let's let that motherfucker rot .

54:31

I mean , let's be honest , hopefully he's fucking dead by

54:33

then .

54:33

Yeah , that's true .

54:35

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