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everyone and welcome to

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episode 298 of the Criminology Podcast.

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I'm Mike Ferguson. And

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this is Mike Morford. Mr. Morford, how you

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had an interesting thing happen

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jump right into this week's case and we're

2:35

talking about a pretty high-profile

2:37

case There was a

2:39

custody battle some

2:42

jealousy financial impacts,

2:44

but it was so

2:46

tumultuous and so dangerous that

2:48

it led to the disappearance

2:51

and presumed murder a

2:53

50 year old Jennifer Doolos Allegedly

2:56

at the hands of her ex-husband

2:58

and his lover sometime

3:00

in 2003 Jennifer Farber

3:02

was living near Aspen, Colorado While

3:05

there she ran into a friend Fotis

3:08

Doolos who she had met while

3:10

they were both attending Brown University in Rhode Island

3:12

around 1986 They

3:14

had lost touch but found themselves easily

3:16

catching up about old times. Although

3:18

they never dated while they were in college Sparks

3:21

flew during this chance meeting more than 15 years later

3:24

He was in town because he was into competitive

3:26

sports and had been there to ski It

3:29

seemed like fate had reunited them at

3:31

the time Fotis was separated from this

3:33

first wife and Jennifer was single It's

3:36

not clear exactly when they officially started dating,

3:39

but their relationship moved quickly They

3:41

had a lot of time apart to make up for in August

3:43

2004 Just over a

3:46

month after his divorce was legally finalized Jennifer

3:48

and Fotis married. She took his

3:51

last name and according to an interview with Fotis

3:53

himself on Dateline They had two

3:55

ceremonies one in England where many

3:57

of Fotis's friends and family lived and

3:59

another In New York for jennifer family. That.

4:02

Same year, two thousand and four. Foetus.

4:05

And his sister. Rent.

4:07

Started the luxury homebuilding

4:09

company called. For. Her.

4:12

Fo for foetus and aren't

4:14

eat for rent. Who. Was

4:17

an architect. Together. With

4:19

the help of a vast

4:21

amount of funding from Jennifer's

4:23

father, Hilliard Farber, they created

4:25

gorgeous custom home for group

4:27

even developed an entire wrote

4:30

called Jefferson Crossing. It was

4:32

really an exciting time for

4:34

the couple. And. They seem to

4:36

have a bright future to get. The.

4:38

Newly weds live together an

4:40

Avon, Connecticut. And began trying

4:43

to start a family of their up by

4:45

two thousand and ten they had four children.

4:48

To. Twin boys. And another

4:50

set of twins. This. Time

4:52

a boy and girl. I

4:54

have some. Friends. More Who.

4:57

You. Know have twins. They're. Essentially

5:00

grown now, but I

5:02

remember. What? They winter.

5:05

Is. Pretty tough, you know,

5:07

raising twins. To. Have two

5:10

different sets of twins that. I

5:12

think that's a little bit unusual.

5:15

And. Now would be a lot of work, no doubt

5:17

about it. And try to think back to the.

5:19

Midnight. Feelings and stuff. I wonder if you

5:22

wanna? Hopefully they wake up the same time you

5:24

take care of more one sir. Are

5:26

they going to pick up at separate times And. Is

5:28

never going to good night's sleep. But yeah, Jake

5:30

to be a handful. Yeah, either way it's going

5:32

to be tougher. In September two thousand

5:35

and ten. Tragedy. Struck. Cleopatra

5:38

dollars. For. This his mother

5:40

was killed in an accident involving the families

5:42

former nanny. And she tried to

5:44

move their large land rover to make it

5:46

more accessible for everyone to get in. Seats.

5:48

Are Cleopatra had moved away from the vehicle.

5:51

But. She had actually bent down inspect the

5:53

headlights. The nanny unfamiliar with the

5:55

specific car, trying to figure out how to

5:57

turn on the headlights. When. She heard.

6:00

a noise. Sadly, it was the sound

6:02

of the car hitting Cleopatra. She

6:04

was badly injured and didn't recover. The

6:06

next month, Jennifer and Votis had

6:08

another girl, who they named after Votis' mother

6:11

to honor her, though they called

6:13

their youngest by her middle name. Jennifer

6:15

would later write on her blog that this

6:17

name wasn't exactly her choice. She

6:19

wrote, It's like when I argued

6:21

that my daughter Clea and Noelle could

6:23

easily be Noelle Cleopatra, and

6:26

Votis said if that were the case, he'd

6:28

have nothing to do with her baptism or

6:30

her life. Perhaps this blog entry

6:32

was a glimpse into a side of Votis that

6:34

Jennifer wasn't familiar with. In

6:37

2011, the Votis' 15,000 square

6:41

foot family home was built

6:43

at Fort Jefferson Crossing in

6:45

Farmington, Connecticut. The four

6:47

group offices would also be at

6:49

this address, over one of

6:51

the garages with a separate entrance from the

6:54

home. It was ready for the Dulos

6:56

family to move in by 2011. In September 2012, they

6:58

hired a new nanny, Lauren Almeida, as

7:05

well as her sister Ashley. With

7:08

five kids, they liked to split the

7:10

duties between a few different nannies, but

7:12

after Lauren graduated college in May 2013,

7:15

she became the full-time nanny

7:19

for the family. She and Jennifer

7:21

grew close, and she also

7:23

saw Votis as a mentor, and

7:25

she began to work at the four group when

7:28

she wasn't busy with

7:30

her nanny work. For

7:32

the next few years, it seemed

7:34

Votis was busy with home

7:36

building and Jennifer was busy with

7:38

raising five children. It's not

7:41

exactly clear when the relationship

7:43

started to deteriorate, but by

7:46

March 2017, Jennifer

7:49

suspected that Votis had been

7:51

having an affair, one

7:53

that she thought had been going on

7:56

for around a year on

7:58

a vacation to Miami that same month. Jennifer's

8:01

mother, Gloria, broke her foot. So

8:03

they took Noel, the youngest child, back

8:06

to New York with them so that

8:08

Gloria could see her doctor. Fotis,

8:11

the four older children, and

8:13

Lauren all stayed behind. With

8:15

Jennifer gone, Fotis then moved Lauren and the

8:18

children from their hotel suite to a single

8:20

room at a different hotel. But

8:22

the hotel switch wasn't for any kind of practical

8:24

reason. It was because Fotis wanted to

8:26

spend the night with his mistress. A

8:28

woman named Michelle Traconis. It

8:31

turns out, Jennifer's suspicions of infidelity

8:33

by her husband were valid. The

8:35

group all met up at a private water skiing

8:37

club where both Fotis and Michelle were members. The

8:40

two oldest children already knew her and hugged her,

8:43

calling her Mitchie, her nickname. It

8:45

was clear that they had known her for some time. This

8:48

wasn't a new relationship. The kids

8:50

just didn't have any idea that their father

8:52

was romantically involved with Michelle. By

8:55

May of 2017, Jennifer

8:57

and Fotis had agreed that

9:00

their relationship wasn't working anymore.

9:02

By this point, Fotis didn't

9:04

deny having an affair with Michelle.

9:07

On the 30th, Jennifer filed

9:09

an emergency motion for full custody

9:12

of the five children after

9:14

he threatened to take them to Greece and

9:16

never return if Jennifer didn't

9:18

give him everything he wanted in

9:21

the divorce. For some reason, the

9:23

emergency motion was denied,

9:25

despite Fotis' threats. Perhaps,

9:28

had that emergency motion for

9:30

custody been granted to Jennifer

9:33

and other precautions been

9:35

taken, what happened next

9:37

might not have ever happened. On

9:40

June 19, 2017,

9:42

Fotis called 911 to report that his wife

9:44

and children were missing. He told the

9:47

dispatcher that they had all headed to New York

9:49

to visit the grave of Jennifer's father, Illiard,

9:52

who had passed away that January. But

9:54

they hadn't returned and Jennifer wasn't answering

9:56

her cell phone. It Turns out that

9:58

Jennifer and the kids were safe. There for

10:00

taking the children and fled to a home. She.

10:02

Prepared with Lawrence help. Slowly.

10:05

Moving items out of their home over time

10:07

so that food is would notice before they

10:09

made their final move. The. Day after

10:11

Nine One one call she filed for

10:14

divorce. She. And the children ended up

10:16

living at Sixty Nine was Lane and New

10:18

Can in Connecticut. By. December that your.

10:20

Shots Conus and twelve year old daughter

10:23

had moved in with foetus at for

10:25

Jefferson Crossing. So. We have a

10:27

situation more. One. That we

10:29

seen multiple times and episodes

10:32

of we've covered. You.

10:34

Have a couple who seems to

10:36

be. Really? In Love. And.

10:39

Financially over the years they were

10:41

doing very well. Do. You

10:43

think about a fifteen thousand square foot

10:46

home? Okay, that's a that's

10:48

a big daddy. They. Had.

10:51

Five. Children. But. At

10:53

some point. The. Relationship.

10:56

Turns. Out. And. It's.

10:58

Not hard to think that a lot of

11:00

that probably had to do with. Infidelity

11:03

on the part of

11:05

funk. Air to to

11:07

discuss the show to that no matter how

11:09

are you may be financially have a nice

11:11

big home, nice cars, That problems.

11:14

In a relationship can still. Pop.

11:16

Up and then when you get children

11:18

involved that can always make or break

11:20

up like that. Even. Tougher because

11:22

and you get into custody. Issues

11:25

and things like that so can really

11:27

add some fuel Too far by the

11:29

I think it's natural for. People.

11:32

To look at. You. Know, let's

11:34

say couple whose well see they're

11:36

doing really well and think oh

11:38

wow they gotta make. Well.

11:41

You. They. Have the same problems that

11:43

the rest of the stuff. Or they

11:45

they can. The. Same problems:

11:47

Money doesn't mean that

11:50

your relationships are perfect.

11:52

It doesn't mean your life as Perth. in

11:55

two thousand eighteen jennifer's

11:57

mother gloria farber file

12:00

two different lawsuits against Fotis

12:02

for unpaid loans Fotis had

12:04

received from her late husband

12:06

Hilliard. She claimed that he

12:08

owed 2.5 million dollars

12:11

but Fotis claimed it was all just a

12:13

gift from his wealthy father-in-law

12:15

and he didn't know anything.

12:17

By March of that year Fotis had

12:20

found himself with no custody of the

12:22

children and no right

12:24

to see them. In March 2019 he was given

12:28

back the privilege to see his kids

12:31

but only during supervised

12:33

scheduled visitation and during

12:35

any visits Michelle and

12:37

her daughter were prohibited from

12:39

having any contact with the

12:41

Dulos children. If the

12:44

visits took place at Fotis'

12:46

home at 4 Jefferson Crossing

12:48

Michelle and her daughter had to leave the home they

12:51

were living in until the children

12:53

went back to Jennifer. This

12:55

is something Michelle would later

12:57

tell investigators was like

12:59

torture. Jennifer was looking into

13:01

moving to Colorado for a fresh start. Fotis

13:04

had told her that the divorce was amicable but

13:07

to Jennifer it was anything but. She

13:09

wanted her life back and she felt that going to

13:11

Colorado might be good for her. There were

13:13

multiple custody hearings in May 2019 but

13:17

nothing changed for Fotis. He

13:19

still had to follow specific orders about how,

13:21

when, and where he could see his children

13:24

with a court-appointed supervisor watching his every

13:26

move during the visits. On

13:28

May 22nd at 3.30 p.m. Fotis arrived at Jennifer's

13:31

69 Wellesley home for

13:33

his scheduled visit with the children. He

13:35

was an hour early and the supervisor wasn't due

13:38

to arrive until 4.30 so

13:40

Jennifer and Lauren turned him away and told

13:42

him to return at the proper time which

13:44

he did and when he came back at 4.30 he took the

13:46

children to Grace

13:48

Farms which has a recreation area

13:50

and an indoor basketball court where

13:52

they played together. Afterwards they

13:55

went back to Jennifer's where Jennifer allowed

13:57

Fotis to sit at a picnic table on the

13:59

back patio. so he and the kids

14:01

could eat the Greek salad, bread, and cake

14:03

he had bought for them. During

14:05

this trip, the children also admired, or at

14:07

least pointed out, his newly

14:10

shaved head, running their fingers across his

14:12

scalp to feel the prickly short hair. After

14:14

dinner, they played basketball in the driveway on

14:17

a hoop Jennifer had just installed earlier that

14:19

morning. At 7.41

14:21

p.m., just a bit after the scheduled

14:23

end time for the visit, Fotis headed

14:25

back home to Farmington. It

14:27

had been a largely uneventful visit. Michelle

14:30

had tried to text Fotis while

14:32

he was on this visit with

14:34

his children, and when she saw

14:36

that he hadn't read the text,

14:39

she sent him an emoji of a

14:41

middle finger. It seemed that

14:43

Fotis and Michelle were beginning to

14:46

have some issues in their relationship,

14:48

and that she may have been

14:50

jealous of the time he was spending with his

14:52

kids. On May 24, two

14:55

days after this visit, Jennifer

14:57

took the kids to New

14:59

Cannon Country School. At

15:01

7.57 a.m., she texted Lauren just

15:04

before they all headed out. A

15:06

neighbor's surveillance camera caught her 2017

15:10

suburban coming home at 8.05

15:12

a.m. At

15:14

10.25, the same camera

15:17

caught the suburban leaving. Around

15:19

11.30 a.m., Lauren arrived home with

15:22

four of the children. One

15:24

of the girls had taken the school bus home with

15:26

a friend. They had Subway

15:29

sandwiches that she had purchased earlier

15:31

that morning, and then got ready

15:33

to go to their grandma Gloria's

15:35

home in Manhattan. Once

15:37

Lauren and the kids got inside the house, Lauren

15:39

noticed a few things that were odd. Jennifer's

15:42

bag was on the floor near the mudroom door,

15:45

and while Jennifer simply might have taken the wallet

15:47

out and not needed it, it was

15:49

still a pretty nice bag to be leaving on the

15:51

floor, and it wasn't like Jennifer to leave stuff

15:53

on the floor in the first place. Also,

15:55

Jennifer usually on the go would quickly scarf

15:58

down a granola bar and a cup of coffee. But

16:00

Lauren noticed that both of these things were on

16:02

the counter untouched. Lauren's first thought

16:04

was that Jennifer had really been in a hurry to

16:07

leave that morning. She did have a

16:09

doctor's appointment in New York that morning, and

16:11

the children also had orthodontist appointments.

16:14

So Lauren figured that she had been running late and just

16:16

skipped breakfast. Lauren washed out the

16:18

mug and put the granola bar away, but

16:20

then she noticed that the paper towel holder was empty.

16:23

When she went to replace it, she also

16:25

realized that nearly an entire jumbo package of

16:27

paper towels was missing. Instead

16:29

of a 12 pack, there were just two rolls. She

16:32

thought that was odd because she had just put the full

16:34

package away the night before. And as she

16:36

grabbed one of the rolls to put it on the holder, she

16:39

wondered what the kids had gotten up to

16:41

that needed 10 entire rolls of paper towels.

16:43

These things began to all add up in Lauren's mind

16:46

that something was off. In

16:48

the garage, Lauren noticed that Jennifer's

16:50

Range Rover was still parked there,

16:53

even though Jennifer had

16:55

told her specifically that she

16:57

planned to leave this suburban behind and

17:00

drive the Range Rover to New

17:02

York since it was easier to park in

17:04

the city. Now, in addition to

17:06

the other things that were off, the

17:08

car situation began to nag at

17:10

Lauren. At 12.43 PM, before

17:13

they left for New York, Lauren

17:15

texted Jennifer. She was looking

17:18

for Noelle's iPad, but couldn't find it

17:20

and wanted to know if she could

17:22

use one of Jennifer's for the long

17:24

drive. Jennifer didn't reply, so

17:27

Lauren decided to just take it so

17:29

that she could drive the kids in

17:31

peace while they stayed occupied. At

17:34

2.30, they arrived at Gloria's apartment but

17:36

still hadn't heard from Jennifer. Lauren

17:39

was kind of worried, but also just

17:42

wondering what could have been taking so long

17:44

at the doctor. At 4

17:46

PM, Lauren called Jennifer again. She

17:49

figured by this time, surely

17:51

even a very busy mother with five

17:53

kids would have been able to sneak

17:56

a text to the nanny. But

17:58

the call went straight to voicemail And

18:00

it was at this point that Lauren

18:03

couldn't ignore everything that

18:05

had been off that day. And she

18:07

knew that something was very wrong. But

18:10

with five children with her, she

18:13

didn't want to panic or worry them. So

18:15

she tried to play it cool. Lauren

18:18

contacted a few of Jennifer's close friends and no

18:20

one had seen or heard from her. A

18:22

little while later, Jennifer didn't show up to

18:25

the orthodontist appointments the kids had. But

18:27

showing up for appointments was completely unlike Jennifer,

18:30

especially when it came to her children. Finally,

18:32

Lauren felt she couldn't put it off anymore. She

18:35

needed to go to the police and just before 7

18:37

p.m., Jennifer Doolis was reported missing

18:39

to the new Cannon Police Department. Not

18:42

long after, her suburban was found parked

18:44

on Lapham Road, near Waveney

18:46

Park, about a mile south of her

18:49

home. The lights were still in the

18:51

on position, the battery was dead, and

18:53

the car had been left in reverse. There

18:55

was what appeared to be blood spatter on the passenger side

18:57

of the car. Just

19:00

before 9 p.m., Lauren called

19:02

Fotis basically at the

19:04

request of the authorities, since she had

19:06

the children and Jennifer was

19:08

missing. Fotis only asked about

19:11

the kids and didn't ask

19:13

about Jennifer at all. He

19:15

requested that Lauren have them ready

19:17

for their scheduled visit, on time

19:19

in the morning. Lauren

19:22

had refused to participate in

19:24

the custody exchanges long

19:26

before that, due to how

19:28

nasty Fotis had treated her. And

19:31

this upcoming visit would be no different.

19:34

Lauren had no plans of dropping them

19:36

off with him. At

19:38

9 a.m. on Saturday, the 25th, a

19:41

detective from the new Cannon Police Department

19:44

asked Fotis to come in and

19:46

cooperate with the investigation. They

19:48

agreed to meet around noon. But

19:50

Fotis didn't show up until almost 3 p.m.

19:54

A detective asked him for his phone

19:56

and Fotis voluntarily unlocked it.

20:00

could be placed on airplane mode.

20:02

He also revealed the passcode to the

20:04

phone. 0 0 0

20:07

0. Despite not having a

20:09

search warrant, the phone was

20:11

immediately seized as evidence. Police

20:13

were however, able to get a search

20:16

warrant about six hours later for

20:18

the data on the phone. The next

20:20

day around noon, FODAS showed

20:22

up unannounced at Gloria Farber's

20:24

apartment, demanding to see the

20:26

children. The building's doorman had

20:28

already been worn. Not to let

20:30

him enter. Around five hours later,

20:33

FODAS texted Lorne from a new

20:35

phone number, asking her

20:37

to give him an update on the

20:39

children every three hours, but once again,

20:41

he didn't seem to have

20:44

any questions about Jennifer

20:46

or whether she had been found. And

20:49

I found, you know, this so odd

20:51

more, I'm sure authorities did as well.

20:53

And people in Jennifer's

20:55

life, I get it. The

20:58

relationship went south, but

21:01

this is still the mother

21:03

of your five children. And

21:06

you're not going to express

21:09

even an ounce of concern

21:12

for the fact that she seems to be

21:14

missing. I mean, what kind of monster does

21:16

that? And I know sometimes we

21:20

put a lot in the house, somebody acts and

21:23

what they say or don't say, or they

21:25

don't act, and it sometimes

21:27

looks suspicious. And I know we

21:29

can't always tell what somebody's thinking or

21:31

what their motives are by how they

21:34

act, but it definitely comes across as

21:37

kind of cold and not caring

21:40

and maybe suspicious. Yeah,

21:42

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came to believe that Jennifer had been the victim

24:19

of a very serious assault in her garage. Blood

24:22

was found on the park Range Rover. Some

24:24

of it looked to be patterned like someone touched the

24:26

car with a bloody gloved hand. And

24:28

spatter on the garage floor as well as the underside

24:30

of the Range Rover. Detectives

24:33

showed Lauren Fotas at the garage and

24:35

she was able to determine that two camping

24:37

pillows that the kids used and

24:39

a bucket of cleaning supplies used by the

24:41

housekeeper were missing. On

24:43

the evening of May 31st, Fotas

24:46

and Michelle were at a private

24:48

water ski club in Avon, Connecticut

24:50

attending a barbecue when they

24:53

saw that news about the two of

24:55

them was breaking. Based on

24:57

the search warrant for his phone, authorities

24:59

had determined that Fotas had traveled

25:02

to Albany Avenue

25:04

in Hartford where there

25:06

is an extensive network of

25:08

surveillance cameras and that

25:11

he had thrown away multiple bags of

25:13

trash and other items, including

25:15

a WeatherTech floor map and different

25:18

trash cans along the road on

25:20

the evening of May 24th. When

25:23

they realized what was happening, they immediately

25:25

left the club. As they walked

25:28

away, Fotas was witness to

25:30

be already making a call, presumably

25:32

to a lawyer. That

25:34

same day, authorities seized his

25:37

Ford F-150 Raptor, which

25:39

was seen driving down Albany

25:41

Avenue the evening that Jennifer

25:43

disappeared. The next day,

25:45

arrest warrants were issued for

25:47

both Michelle Traconis and

25:50

Fotas Doolos for tampering with

25:52

evidence and hindering prosecution. They

25:55

were both taken into custody without incident.

26:00

The time-crossing was searched on June 3rd. Not

26:02

much was found, but one thing of

26:04

interest was a set of handwritten documents. Michelle

26:07

insisted they were timelines, or

26:09

authorities would call them alibi scripts. They

26:12

covered May 24th from 6.40 a.m. to 5.10 p.m. There

26:16

was one timeline written by Michelle that listed

26:18

them waking up together and taking a shower.

26:21

The timeline written by Fotis mentions a call

26:23

from his friend, a man

26:25

named Andreas Tutiaridis. Another

26:28

timeline mentioned a trip to Albany Avenue.

26:30

Both Michelle and Fotis were released on bond 10

26:32

days after they were brought in. On

26:35

October 26th, Michelle's things were

26:37

removed out of Ford Jefferson Crossing. She

26:40

and Fotis had officially broken up, though

26:42

it's believed they hadn't had any contact since

26:44

their arrest. The day after Christmas,

26:47

Fotis asked a judge to dismiss the pending

26:49

divorce case with Jennifer and to grant

26:51

him full custody of the children. But less

26:53

than two weeks later, Fotis was arrested

26:55

a second time and charged with

26:58

the kidnapping and murder of his estranged

27:00

wife, Jennifer Doolos. Michelle Traconis

27:02

was also arrested again, and

27:04

this time charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

27:07

Kent Malwany, a lawyer and

27:09

friend of Fotis's, was also arrested. He

27:11

was trying to flee to Massachusetts, and

27:13

he was charged with conspiracy to commit murder. So

27:16

Morph, there's a couple things that

27:18

I kind of want to dissect.

27:22

The first being Fotis

27:25

and how arrogant

27:28

he seems to be. I mean, here's

27:30

a guy who is being

27:32

looked at for the

27:34

disappearance and possible murder of

27:36

his wife, yet he

27:39

has the nerve to

27:41

ask the judge for full

27:44

custody. That really jumped out at

27:46

me. And then you

27:48

go back to this surveillance footage

27:51

of him kind of driving

27:53

along and throwing

27:56

things away at multiple stops

27:58

in two different tracks. cans,

28:01

not a great look when your

28:03

estranged wife has gone missing. And

28:06

then lastly, these timelines

28:09

or alibi scripts as

28:11

the authorities called them, very

28:15

interesting to me that the

28:17

two of them would sit down and

28:19

write these up. I mean, doesn't

28:22

it almost seem like they're

28:24

trying to chronicle what they

28:27

did in order to cover their

28:29

behinds? Because

28:32

I can tell you right now, I don't

28:34

sit down on a daily basis and just

28:36

write down everything I do from hour

28:38

to hour. Yeah, you

28:40

go back to looking at

28:42

somebody's actions, how they're

28:44

reacting, how they're not reacting, if they're

28:46

showing sympathy or

28:50

questioning what happens to the mother

28:52

of their children and you can't make a lot from that.

28:54

But here on top of that, you've got him making

28:57

these mysterious lists that

28:59

are almost as if they're trying

29:01

to get their story straight so you can see

29:03

why that's suspicious. But this

29:05

case really seems like it went from

29:08

zero to 60 quickly. Obviously,

29:10

he would have been looked at closely by police,

29:13

but here they've got all kinds of different

29:16

surveillance stuff that's

29:18

basically tying everything together

29:20

and these charges came down

29:22

quickly. Yeah, it really

29:25

did seem like that was the

29:27

case. But my thought

29:29

is it's not always just

29:31

one thing. And I don't think

29:33

it normally is. It's a culmination

29:37

or a number

29:39

of things that kind of all

29:41

converge. Right. So the

29:43

surveillance video, the not

29:46

asking questions about Jennifer,

29:49

these timelines, you

29:52

put all of that together and

29:54

it just looks horrible. And then

29:56

I also thought it was very telling that

29:58

it seemed as though... So Michelle

30:01

and Fotis kind of

30:03

had a falling out, didn't want to

30:05

have anything to do with each other. The

30:07

arrest warrants were very detailed and

30:10

painted a clear picture of

30:12

what investigators believe happened on

30:14

and around May 24, 2019. The

30:18

star witness for the prosecution would

30:21

be a man named Pavel

30:24

Gumienni, a former four-group

30:26

employee. He had been working

30:28

for Fotis before the company was

30:30

even founded and had worked

30:33

his way from Handyman up to

30:35

Project Manager. He was granted

30:37

total immunity for his testimony

30:40

and cooperation because in order to

30:42

tell the truth about Fotis

30:44

and Michelle, he would

30:46

also have to implicate himself due

30:49

to a few suspicious actions. Some

30:52

people believe he's more involved

30:54

than he has admitted, but others

30:57

just think that all signs pointed

30:59

to a potential frame job of

31:01

him on the part of Fotis.

31:04

About two weeks before Jennifer's disappearance,

31:07

Fotis had asked Pavel if he could move his

31:09

truck. The Toyota Tacoma was normally

31:11

parked at Ford Jefferson Crossing during the

31:13

work week while Pavel used one

31:16

of the four-group vehicles, but it

31:18

was leaking oil and power steering fluid. Supposedly,

31:20

to protect the driveway and the garage,

31:23

the Tacoma was moved from Ford Jefferson

31:25

Crossing to 80 Mountain Spring

31:27

Road, another four-group property.

31:30

On May 23, Fotis told Pavel

31:32

not to come into the office the next morning.

31:35

That evening, Fotis met up

31:37

with Kent Malwini based on phone pings

31:39

and surveillance footage at or

31:41

near 80 Mountain Spring Road, where the

31:43

Tacoma was now parked. We don't know

31:46

what they were doing there or why they

31:48

met up. At 4.20 am

31:51

on May 24, the

31:53

alarm on Fotis' cell phone went

31:55

off. It was silenced at 4.21. This

31:57

is much earlier than the day. earlier

32:00

than his normal wake up time, which

32:02

was closer to 7 a.m. At

32:05

535 a.m. Pavel's

32:08

Toyota Tacoma left 80

32:10

Mountain spring road at 636 a.m. It

32:14

was spotted on a traffic camera

32:16

in the southbound lanes of merit

32:18

Parkway, passing the Fairfield

32:20

rest area. A bicycle can

32:22

be seen in the bed of the truck at

32:25

703 a.m. It was

32:27

spotted again, still heading south

32:29

on merit Parkway, this

32:31

time passing the new cannon rest

32:34

area at 705 a.m. A

32:36

school bus driving down Lapham

32:39

Road recorded on its surveillance

32:41

video and empty turnout on

32:43

the side of the road at 720 a.m. Ken's

32:47

phone began to ping from

32:49

the tower that covers for

32:51

Jefferson crossing. Just 20 minutes

32:54

later, around 70 miles away,

32:57

another school bus passed the turnout

32:59

on Lapham Road. This time that

33:02

bus's security system recorded a

33:05

Toyota Tacoma park there. This

33:07

spot is just 100 feet from

33:09

where Jennifer's suburban would be

33:12

found abandoned later that evening.

33:14

Around this same time, a man

33:17

on a bicycle was captured on

33:19

surveillance cameras passing 376 Weed Street.

33:23

This would be on the route from

33:25

Lapham Road to Wells Lane. Investigators

33:27

believe that Fotis used the bike

33:29

seen in the bed of the

33:31

Tacoma to bike to Jennifer's

33:33

home, where he waited for her

33:36

to come home from dropping off the kids,

33:38

hiding the entire time. At

33:40

around 8 a.m., Pavel took the

33:42

four group F-150 Raptor from

33:45

his home in Simsbury to work on a

33:47

property in New Cannon. At 8.24

33:49

a.m., Fotis' phone received a call

33:51

from his friend in Greece, Andreas,

33:54

and it was answered by Michelle Traconis, who

33:57

claimed that Kent told her to answer. It

33:59

lasted just. 17 seconds. Just

34:02

before 10am, Pavel arrived at

34:04

61 Sturbridge Hill Road, the

34:06

property he was helping to renovate for the foregroup.

34:09

This is confirmed by the Raptors OnStar

34:11

tracking system. The truck was there until

34:13

around 12.30pm. At

34:16

10.25am, Jennifer's suburban was seen

34:19

leaving her home. In

34:21

the police theory, this

34:23

was Fotis driving, not Jennifer.

34:26

By this time, she had already

34:28

been either killed or incapacitated, and

34:31

was being transported away from the

34:33

crime scene by Fotis. The

34:36

blood in the garage proved that this was

34:38

where she was attacked. The

34:40

shaved head the children were admiring

34:43

was really preparation for this

34:45

attack. He didn't want to

34:47

risk leaving any of his hair in the

34:49

garage somewhere there would be no

34:51

excuse for it to be. This

34:54

Jennifer never would have allowed him

34:56

inside. The newly shaved head

34:59

also happened to match

35:01

the normal haircut of

35:03

Pavel Gumienni, whose truck he

35:05

was driving that day, and who also happened

35:07

to be in New Cannon that

35:09

very day. So, perhaps Fotis

35:12

wanted it to appear that

35:14

Pavel was driving his own truck around

35:17

and not him. Or perhaps if

35:19

any witnesses saw anything, Pavel

35:21

might be suspected. And

35:24

this is where the belief by some

35:26

comes in that maybe Fotis

35:28

was trying to frame Pavel.

35:31

At 10.38am, Jennifer's phone pinged near

35:34

Lapham Road, where a car would be

35:36

found abandoned. At 11.09am,

35:38

her phone was turned off. It

35:40

stopped pinging and completely dropped off the network.

35:43

Just three minutes later, the Toyota Tacoma

35:45

is seen driving north on Merritt Parkway. At

35:48

12.22pm, the Tacoma returns to

35:51

80 Mountain Springs Road. At

35:54

1.33pm, text on Fotis' phone

35:56

that went unread all day were

35:58

finally opened and phone calls were

36:00

returned. We can assume that Fotis

36:03

biked or ran the two miles from 80

36:05

Mountain Spring Road to Fort Jefferson Crossing, where

36:07

his phone had been all day. There is a

36:10

gravel access road that he was familiar with

36:12

from dirt bike riding that runs

36:14

between the two areas. It's believed

36:16

after this he and Michelle drove to

36:18

80 Mountain Springs Road. Just

36:20

before 5 p.m., Pavel showed

36:22

up at 80 Mountain Spring Road

36:24

looking for his truck. He

36:27

wanted to drive at home for the

36:29

weekend, and he also wanted to take

36:31

home his dirt bike, which he kept

36:33

at Fort Jefferson Crossing so that

36:35

he could ride it over the long

36:37

Memorial Day holiday weekend. Fotis

36:39

and Michelle both look surprised to see

36:42

him. Fotis tried to convince him

36:44

to keep the Raptor for the weekend, but

36:46

Pavel wanted his own truck. It

36:49

was easier to park, better on

36:51

gas, and didn't have an extended cab,

36:53

so it was easier to load his

36:55

dirt bike. Fotis followed the

36:57

Raptor in his suburban to

36:59

Fort Jefferson Crossing, and Pavel got

37:01

in. They headed back to 80

37:04

Mountain Spring Road so that Pavel

37:06

could drive his Tacoma home. When

37:08

they arrived, Michelle Traconis had

37:11

left, and the key to

37:13

the Tacoma, which had been in

37:15

the passenger door just before

37:17

Pavel and Fotis left, was gone

37:19

too. Fotis had to call her

37:22

and tell her to bring the key back. Finally,

37:24

Pavel got his key and left. He

37:27

loaded the dirt bike into the truck at

37:29

Fort Jefferson Crossing, and then

37:31

he drove home to Simsbury. Pavel

37:34

left, and Fotis and Michelle were

37:36

very busy. She was seen

37:38

from neighboring surveillance cameras driving the Fort

37:41

Group Duperique back and forth from

37:43

80 Mountain Springs Road to Fort

37:45

Jefferson Crossing multiple times. Smoke

37:48

was seen coming out of one of the chimneys

37:50

at Fort Jefferson Crossing at least

37:52

three separate times, coinciding with the

37:54

times that Michelle arrived and left in the

37:56

Jeep. Based on the surveillance, it

37:59

seemed clear that evidence of some kind was

38:01

being disposed of in the fireplace. Just

38:04

after these fires, the two drove to

38:06

Albany Avenue in the Raptor. Investigators

38:09

would later recover trash bags, cleaning

38:11

supplies, and a t-shirt and

38:13

bra stained with Jennifer's blood. The

38:15

bra and shirt had been sliced down the middle. And

38:19

more, if I think this is what

38:21

you have with a case that occurs in 2019,

38:23

I mean, just think

38:27

about all of the surveillance

38:30

video that we've talked about.

38:33

Surveillance video coming from

38:36

houses, businesses, a school

38:38

bus, multiple school buses. These

38:41

are the types of things that wouldn't

38:43

have been available, let's say, in the

38:46

1970s. So

38:48

the police have all this information that

38:52

maybe before they would have had

38:54

to try to get from eyewitnesses.

38:56

And if there were no eyewitnesses,

38:59

it's just stuff they wouldn't have known.

39:02

But you'd have to say that a

39:04

lot of this stuff is very damning. Yeah,

39:08

I think it definitely helped the police connect

39:10

the dots and build a timeline here. And

39:13

going back to the surveillance, as

39:16

years go by, it just seems like it's more and

39:18

more common. Even the buses, in

39:20

this case, had surveillance systems on them. So

39:22

it seems like it's going to be harder

39:24

and harder for people to get

39:26

away with stuff the more that this

39:28

stuff is readily available and out there. Yeah,

39:31

and we keep talking in episodes

39:33

about how many

39:36

homes now have the

39:38

doorbell cameras and what's

39:40

being captured on

39:42

those. It's kind of amazing. But

39:45

I think back to a lot of

39:47

the unsolved cases that we've done, and

39:49

it seems as though the problem that

39:51

police often have is they don't have

39:53

that first clue that tells

39:56

them in what

39:58

direction to head. Well,

40:01

with the surveillance video, they

40:04

definitely have that. And it seems

40:06

like it leads to them going

40:08

down the correct avenues

40:11

because they have a good place

40:13

to start or multiple places

40:16

to work from. On

40:19

May 29, the Tuesday after

40:21

Memorial Day, Pavel returned to

40:23

work. Fotis and Michelle took

40:25

his Tacoma to the car wash and

40:28

paid $250 for a full

40:30

detailing, something Fotis had

40:32

never done for any employee

40:35

before. Fotis also convinced,

40:37

more like pressured Pavel,

40:39

into changing the Tacoma's

40:41

seats. Pavel didn't want

40:43

to, but Fotis wouldn't let it go.

40:46

When Pavel said he couldn't find any seats for

40:48

a good price, Fotis told him

40:50

to take the seats from a Porsche Cayenne.

40:53

He had wrecked and wasn't using. They

40:56

didn't fit the Tacoma, but Fotis

40:58

was insistent. He also told

41:00

Pavel to throw away the old seats. Though

41:03

Pavel did remove the seats from the

41:05

Tacoma, he kept them. The

41:08

poor seats were just placed inside, making

41:11

the truck basically unusable. A

41:13

drop of Jennifer's blood was later

41:15

found on the passenger seat fabric.

41:18

If Pavel hadn't been open with

41:20

detectives, it's pretty easy to

41:22

see how it could have played out

41:25

with him ending up being arrested. A

41:27

man with his build and haircut, driving

41:30

his truck in the town

41:32

he would admit to being in that day,

41:35

and then Jennifer's blood in his car. Instead,

41:39

he contacted a lawyer who helped

41:41

him legally navigate his cooperation

41:43

with police. I

41:45

think this is just one more incident

41:48

that kind of really stands out. This

41:51

Pavel guy had worked for

41:53

Fotis for a long time. When

41:55

you know someone for a long

41:57

time, you work for them for a long time, time,

42:00

you know how they act. This

42:02

wasn't a guy who just

42:05

offered up to detail

42:07

your truck and pay $250. And

42:11

most people don't. Why would they? And

42:14

then this whole insistence about changing

42:16

out the seats in the truck

42:19

and using seats for

42:22

what is a very expensive car, Porsche

42:24

Cayenne. Now I get it, it was

42:26

wrecked, but you know, using

42:28

seats from that, that don't even fit.

42:31

It's just all leading you

42:33

to believe that something

42:35

hinky is going on. Yeah.

42:37

And you wonder if Pavel started

42:39

to suspect that maybe

42:42

he's being set up

42:44

for something. You know, this whole

42:46

involvement with his vehicle now, and

42:48

now Fotis even has his hairstyle,

42:51

maybe he sensed he was going to be a Patsy

42:53

here and that's why he decided to

42:56

cooperate, but yeah, I don't know about

42:58

you, but if somebody asked me to suddenly change

43:00

my seats out, was offered to detail my

43:02

truck for me, I'd be like, okay, something's,

43:05

something's very fishy here. Yeah. And

43:07

back to your question, I do think

43:09

that he got suspicious. I

43:11

think it's the reason why he

43:13

kept the seats from

43:16

the Tacoma, even though Fotis wanted

43:19

him to get rid of them. And then

43:21

I think it's why he contacted a lawyer.

43:23

He knew something very wrong

43:27

was happening and that it could be

43:29

at his expense. For the

43:31

other three people who didn't cooperate, Bond

43:33

was set quite high, $6 million

43:36

for Fotis, 2.1 million

43:38

for Michelle and 2 million for Kent.

43:41

Michelle was the first to be released under

43:43

the conditions. She wear a GPS ankle monitor

43:46

and comply with the terms of house arrest. The

43:48

next day Fotis was released on

43:50

the same conditions. Immediately it

43:52

was discovered that two properties Fotis put up

43:55

as collateral on the bond were in foreclosure.

43:58

On January 3rd, the terms of Fotis's

44:00

house arrest were made more strict due

44:02

to the bond issue and also because

44:04

Fotis had violated the terms by

44:07

leaving his home to tear down a memorial to Jennifer

44:09

at the end of the road. And

44:11

I don't know exactly, you know, all

44:14

the ins and outs of bond

44:16

and bail and all that, but

44:18

it did seem very strange to

44:20

me that even after it was

44:22

discovered that these two homes he

44:24

put up as collateral were in

44:26

foreclosure and after

44:28

it was learned that he violated

44:32

the terms of his house arrest by

44:34

leaving and not just leaving,

44:36

leaving to tear down a memorial to

44:38

Jennifer, that he would

44:40

still be allowed to

44:43

stay out. And I think the whole leaving

44:45

the home to take down the memorial is just

44:48

one more thing that doesn't look good

44:50

for Fotis. It seems again that

44:52

he's not concerned about her and

44:54

is even tearing down a memorial to

44:56

her. At noon on January

44:58

28, 2020,

45:01

Fotis had a bond hearing, but he didn't make

45:03

it. This was a pretty

45:05

important hearing. Due to the

45:08

foreclosure issue, his bond was expected to

45:10

be revoked and he knew he would

45:12

end up going back to jail until

45:15

trial or until he could come

45:17

up with a different way to put up the

45:19

$6 million. Around 11.30

45:21

a.m., his lawyer started worrying when

45:24

he wasn't responding to their calls

45:27

and he hadn't shown up to prepare for the

45:29

hearing. Authorities could see

45:31

on the monitoring system that he hadn't

45:33

even left the house, even though he

45:35

was expected in Stanford over

45:37

an hour away, likely because everyone

45:40

involved knew the stakes and also

45:42

the expected outcome of the hearing.

45:45

A wellness check was immediately performed.

45:48

Fotis was in his 2015 suburban,

45:50

with a hose running from the

45:52

exhaust pipe to the interior of

45:54

the car. Next to him

45:57

in the car were photos of him with his

45:59

children. a Tylenol PM

46:01

bottle, and a roll of

46:03

electrical tape. There was also a note.

46:06

He proclaimed his innocence and

46:08

also wrote that Michelle and Kent

46:10

were innocent and that his

46:12

attorney, Norm Paddis, could explain why

46:15

he was seen throwing away those

46:17

trash bags on Albany

46:19

Avenue. Officers performed

46:21

CPR until an ambulance arrived, and

46:24

news choppers circled overhead, sketching the footage

46:26

of them attempting to save Fotis. But

46:29

he was pronounced deceased long enough that his

46:31

family and Greece were notified, and

46:33

it was announced live on the news. But

46:36

on the way to the hospital, a pulse was found.

46:38

Eventually, Fotis was taken in a Life

46:40

Star helicopter to the Jacobi Medical Center

46:42

in the Bronx, where they used

46:44

a hyperbaric chamber to try and get oxygen

46:47

back into his body to repair itself. But

46:49

the damage was too great and it didn't work. Gloria

46:52

Farber, who had been granted temporary custody of

46:54

the children, made the decision to

46:56

take them to the hospital to be able

46:58

to see their father one last time before

47:01

he was taken off of life support. On

47:03

January 30, 2020, at 5.32

47:05

pm, Fotis Dulles was officially

47:08

pronounced dead. On

47:10

March 3, the charges against Fotis

47:12

were formally dismissed, since he could

47:14

no longer face trial after ending

47:17

his life. On June

47:19

1, Gloria Farber's lawsuit against Fotis

47:21

was settled in her favor. She

47:24

was awarded $1.9 million from his estate. On

47:28

October 19, Kent Mulwenny

47:30

was finally released from jail after

47:33

posting a bond of $246,000. He

47:37

is also required to wear a GPS

47:39

ankle monitor and comply with the terms

47:42

of house arrest. On February

47:44

18, 2021, Ford Jefferson Crossing was sold for

47:46

$1.8 million. The

47:51

money went to Gloria Farber as part

47:53

of the civil lawsuit judgment. By

47:56

December 2021, Michelle Traconis

47:58

was living in Colorado. and

48:00

traveling back and forth to Miami to see family

48:03

in Connecticut for court dates, still

48:05

wearing the GPS monitor on her ankle. On

48:08

October 3rd, 2022, Kent Mulwaney

48:11

was re-arrested due to an issue with his

48:13

ankle monitor. The wires were intact,

48:16

but the surrounding cuff had been severed. Authorities

48:19

believed he had tampered with the device, but

48:21

he and his attorney denied this, instead

48:23

stating that it had broken from being worn for

48:25

two years. He was released from prison

48:27

once again on December 15th. On

48:30

April 6th, 2023, Michaepe

48:32

Conus was released from the condition of

48:34

wearing a GPS monitor. On May

48:36

15th of that year, Kent Mulwaney

48:38

was released from house arrest, but

48:40

he is still wearing a GPS monitor around his ankle

48:42

to this day. A probate judge declared

48:45

Jennifer dead in October 2023, citing evidence that

48:47

supports the

48:50

claim that Jennifer sustained non-survivable

48:52

injuries, according to court documents.

48:55

On January 11th, 2024, the

48:59

trial of Michelle Traconis finally

49:01

began. She was officially facing

49:03

charges of conspiracy to commit

49:06

murder, second degree hindering

49:09

prosecution, two counts of tampering

49:11

with physical evidence, and

49:13

two counts of conspiracy to commit

49:16

tampering with physical evidence. Due

49:18

to the class of felony that her

49:21

charges fell under, she only had the right

49:23

to a jury of six people under

49:25

Connecticut law. There were alternates,

49:28

which was a very good thing

49:30

because without them, there definitely would

49:32

have been a mistrial. Early

49:34

on, one juror told prosecutor

49:37

Michelle Manning that they loved

49:39

her. Another juror had been

49:41

posting on social media that this

49:43

case reminded them of the movie

49:45

Gone Girl. A third juror

49:47

had an emergency out of the country.

49:50

All three were dismissed from jury

49:53

service. On February 23rd,

49:55

the defense arrested their case. They

49:57

began deliberating on the 27th after a

49:59

long weekend. Over the

50:01

next three days, they spent about

50:03

12 hours total deliberating. They

50:05

asked to see the testimony of Michelle's best

50:07

friend, Clara Petude DePieran,

50:10

who was on the stand for about 38

50:12

minutes, and also asked for some

50:14

clarification on the wording of the tampering with

50:16

evidence charge. Judge

50:18

Randolph explained that accessural liability

50:21

did not require physical contact, meaning

50:23

just because she didn't physically throw any of those

50:26

trash bags away on Albany Avenue, being

50:29

there with Fotis while he threw them away was

50:31

enough for her to be considered as an accessory

50:33

legally. As the jury stated their

50:35

verdict of guilty for each charge, Michelle

50:38

slumped over onto the table and cried. Jennifer's

50:41

body has still not been

50:43

found. There's a potential clue

50:46

in Kent Malwini's behavior, though. In

50:49

March 2019, Malwini told

50:51

a friend of his that he was

50:54

interested in rejoining a gun club. He

50:56

had helped establish many years ago, this

50:58

friend told him about a hidden key

51:01

to the logging chain, blocking

51:03

the club's entrance, and told him to help

51:05

himself. He was a co-founder,

51:07

after all, Malwini's phone pinged

51:10

near the Windsor Rod and Gun

51:12

Club in East Granby on

51:14

March 29, less than

51:16

two months before two members found what

51:18

they called a human grate. The

51:21

three-foot deep hole was six feet long

51:23

and two feet wide. A

51:25

tarp and multiple unopened bags of

51:28

lime were down in the hole,

51:30

which was covered by barbeque grill

51:32

grates and buried by leaves

51:34

to hide it. The men removed

51:36

the barbeque grates and kicked dirt in the

51:39

hole to hastily fill it in, so

51:41

that no one would accidentally fall

51:44

into it. On May 22, one

51:46

of the men was at the club again and checked the hole.

51:49

The bags of lime were now gone, and

51:51

the hole was now a pit of mud, half full of

51:53

water. Malwini's phone pinged

51:55

at the club again at 11 p.m. on

51:58

the night of May 31. just hours

52:00

after Fotis and Michelle had been dumping

52:02

bags on Albany Avenue. We don't

52:04

know what he was doing there, of course, and

52:07

presumably whoever had dug the hole would

52:09

have noticed that it wasn't a secret when they went

52:11

to retrieve the lime, and saw the

52:13

grates had been removed. Assuming the

52:16

bags of lime belonged to Fotis or Mulwiny, it

52:18

seems likely that they were taken to another hole

52:20

in one of the many wooded areas in Connecticut.

52:23

Many people following the case believe that

52:25

Mulwiny knows the location of Jennifer's remains,

52:28

and are hoping the conviction of Michelle

52:30

Traconis shocks him into revealing

52:33

the location in hopes of a lighter sentence at

52:35

his own trial. The sentencing

52:37

hearing for Michelle Traconis is set for

52:40

May 31, 2024. The

52:44

first date that the clerk found empty

52:46

on the calendar was May 24, the

52:49

fifth anniversary of Jennifer's murder.

52:52

Everyone involved agreed that that

52:54

date would be inappropriate, and

52:57

it was moved to the anniversary

52:59

of the date that authority seized

53:01

the trash from Albany Avenue. Many

53:04

believe that this first proposed

53:06

date was a sign of

53:09

some kind from Jennifer or from

53:11

the universe that justice had been

53:13

achieved. Before Traconis is

53:15

sentenced, we should know what

53:17

is going on with Kent Mulwiny's

53:19

trial. His next court date on the

53:21

docket is May 15, and

53:24

it looks like they may finalize the

53:26

schedule for trial on that date. So

53:29

more if we wrap up this case,

53:31

it's a complex case, it's a

53:34

very interesting case,

53:36

it's also a very sad case. There

53:39

are so many times

53:41

and dates and sightings

53:44

due to the amount of

53:47

surveillance video footage that it's

53:49

almost mind blowing what police

53:51

have to work with. I find

53:54

it very hard to believe

53:56

that Kent is going to

53:59

come out of this thing unscathed.

54:02

I don't believe that Fotis

54:04

would have had he gone to

54:06

trial. We know that Michelle

54:10

was found guilty on multiple

54:12

charges. We're going to have to

54:14

wait and see what happens to Kent, but I

54:16

can't imagine it's going to be good. Now

54:19

there's unanswered questions in this case,

54:21

and obviously Fotis isn't around to

54:23

answer some of the questions, but you have

54:26

to wonder what was in it for Kent, what

54:28

was he getting out of it to help

54:31

put his freedom in jeopardy and

54:34

go to prison? Was there some kind of

54:36

financial gain? You know, and anytime

54:38

we talk about cases where there's multiple

54:40

people involved, it always amazes me

54:42

that one of them doesn't just step forward and say,

54:44

Hey, this is not a good idea. I don't

54:47

want to be part of this. We can't do this. And

54:49

it just shocks me when I hear these cases

54:51

where multiple people are involved in a

54:53

crime like this. Well, and I

54:56

think it's a great question about Kent. You

54:59

know, when you, you look at Fotis,

55:01

you look at Michelle, it's

55:03

pretty obvious to me

55:06

what their motives were, but

55:09

not as obvious when it comes to

55:11

Kent Malwiny. He wasn't

55:13

involved in the situation in

55:16

the same way that Fotis

55:18

and Michelle were. You know,

55:20

his happiness didn't seem to hinge on

55:23

the relationship,

55:25

the custody or anything to do with

55:27

Jennifer. So it had to have

55:30

been a tie with Fotis and

55:32

you know, you mentioned money. That might've

55:34

been it. I think we'll have to

55:36

wait and see what comes out at

55:38

trial. But I do want to go back to

55:40

what you talked about with Fotis because

55:43

he never actually went to trial.

55:46

There are some things that may

55:48

never be known. You know,

55:50

kind of what you're left with is

55:53

the prosecution's theory or

55:55

what they put forth

55:58

ahead of the trial. the one

56:00

person that can probably answer some of the

56:02

questions is Kent Maloney. And

56:05

maybe he's holding some of that as an ace in the

56:07

hole to get a

56:09

lighter sentence, um, to work out

56:11

some kind of deal and he'll

56:13

reveal what happened, what he knows,

56:16

what the benefit to him would have been.

56:18

And most importantly, probably where Jennifer's

56:21

remains are. And that's a

56:23

great point because you know

56:25

that her family wants

56:27

to, to find her remains, they

56:30

want to have a service, they want

56:32

to, to bury her. They want to

56:34

have a place to memorialize her. And

56:37

if Kent has that information, he might

56:40

be able to use it, but that's something that,

56:42

you know, we'll have to wait and see

56:44

on. But I will say this, I never

56:46

failed to be a mate at the steps

56:49

that some people will take when

56:51

it comes to, you know, finances, custody,

56:53

uh, just jealousy, things

56:55

like that.

56:57

And I go back to, you know, Fotis demeanor after

57:00

it was thought that Jennifer

57:04

was missing. I mean, that was the red flag

57:07

to me right there. It's like, you

57:09

don't even care enough to ask questions. Well, why

57:14

is that? Is it because you're not a mate? Or

57:16

because you already knew the answers to the questions, therefore

57:21

there was no need to ask the question.

57:24

You know, luckily it seems as though, despite

57:27

a lot of planning going into this and trying

57:29

to cover it up and get away with it, multiple

57:32

people involved, that kind of stuff, it

57:34

always seems that in many of these cases, as

57:38

well prepared as you think you might be, that you

57:41

make mistakes, and it's able to lead

57:43

investigators to answer some of the questions. And,

57:47

you know, in this case, there was

57:49

just enough clues and breadcrumbs for the

57:51

police to work with. And we do

57:53

have the answer to that. answers

58:00

that we do have now, thanks to that. And

58:02

it's a good thing, right? Because without some

58:04

of that stuff, you know, a lot of

58:06

these would, would probably go unsolved. But

58:09

that's it for our episode

58:11

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58:13

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58:16

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