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C-T-T-B. Read it. Podcast.
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Music.
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I can edit this bit out. Hello! So, yes, we're back.
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Podcast two are unlike the first podcast of
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this year we're actually talking about albums that come out this year excellent amazing
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so five albums this
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time around casey had to disappear unknown tea
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blood diamond hermosa hermosa marika
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hackman big sigh and the last
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dinner party prelude to ecstasy so
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we start with casey
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how despair welsh rock band from
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south wales formed in 2014 released two albums and then disbanded in 2019 and
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then reformed again 2022 oh my god oh technical issues already oh no yeah you should leave that in.
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Yeah that's the iPhone decided to try and throw itself to its own death rather
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than listen to us your iPhone just tried to throw itself off a ledge yeah fantastic,
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maybe that's the iPhone maybe the iPhone is passing judgment over how it feels
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about Casey how to disappear iPhone how do you feel about Casey how to disappear
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it seemed to get annoyed when I said it was their third album but you know is the third album so,
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Casey who I hadn't heard of who I was not aware of actually I will say this
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several times during this podcast wasn't aware of them before oh so how did I feel about them okay um.
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What's an album nah
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seriously so this is I don't
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want you where would you pigeon this I
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don't want to pigeon anyone but where would you put this they've been described
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apparently I read the Wikipedia thing they've been described as post hardcore
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yeah I saw that shoegaze more of late in the podcast post metal definitely shoegaze
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and various other posts there's a lot of posts in this so much posts that the
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Royal Mail should be in trouble again Again, I would say that this is an album. No, I can do better than that.
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I would say that this is definitely an album that has a particular sound that runs through it.
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No, I've got to really try harder. I would say that this is an album that's pretty solid.
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Britain, this is a solid album. Yeah, it's a solid album. It's very one note,
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and I don't mean that. Yes, it is. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. For production-wise, it's very one-note.
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There is a section in the middle, and I've not even talked about the beginning,
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but I'm just going to skip to the middle. There is a section in the middle of the album where, in terms of musical challenge,
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it does change, and you do get a bit of the hardcore grrr.
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Yes. And it does go more metal. And I think when it does go more metal,
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it's stronger, because the rest of the time...
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I have pretty much said that, yes.
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The rest of the time it just sort of goes along it goes along and it goes along
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and it's not inoffensive I quite, like some of it I mean I'm going to say I liked a couple of tracks in a moment
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as I always do but it sort of goes along but it doesn't really hit its stride until it keeps going,
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and until it gets louder and more aggressive because the rest of the time it's
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just sort of a one no and that's not a bad thing,
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sort of sort of album no oh my god that's possibly the worst description I've
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ever given but I agree on that exact point I've said some good screaming on
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sanctimonious punctured wounds of heaven and bite through my tongue latter which
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is possibly my favourite track I went.
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In fact oddly the tracks of the screaming,
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seem to hit the mark better than ones that don't which is something I don't
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say very often so yes so I said it hits Stradman those that I'm survived by
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which has has that little yeah yeah yeah excellently titled St.
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Peter instrumental at the end of it and then Puncture Wins to Heaven which I
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think are the second and third tracks of the album to feature the growl,
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but even they introduce the growl it goes heavy and then they introduce possibly
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one of the better slower tracks as well with Blush which comes not that long
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after that as well so you've got the contrast but the rest of the time I'm sort of for Katie maybe,
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but the rest of the time I love the guitar riff at the start of that Yeah,
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so that's one of the tracks from the earlier half that really struck out to me.
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Well yeah you've pretty much summed it up I think it is that kind of thing where you kind of go,
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I think if you were trying to kind of pitch it to people who were going like
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me, never heard of KC I've never heard of KC what would it sound like.
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I'm thinking you're thinking Frown Rabbit, Idlewine Bit of Funeral for a Friend,
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that kind of pop kind of thing and as you say it is just it's solid it's perfectly
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fine and as you say ironically,
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where it goes more kind of rocky it actually works much better than the things
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that are slightly more kind of subdued although I do like the kind of,
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lyrical darkness of I was happy when you died yes.
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Kudos for that there are a
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couple of dark songs songs on on the on the podcast but that particularly
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one yeah yeah on balance i was quite happy when you died yeah it's yeah and
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on balance i was quite happy when this album didn't yeah so so i think i think
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i think we both agree that it's some good but mostly filler but okay filler but okay yeah,
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we move on to unknown t blood diamond unknown t is daniel richie lena has made
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his name over the last five years as the important voice in the UK draw scene
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although clearly shockingly I was not previously aware of his work,
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although I was aware of at least two of his collaborators in this album so I
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was aware of Loyal Connor. Who's a fascinating character just generally he's obviously been nominated for
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Mercury Prize I think twice and also runs a cooking school nice,
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he didn't generally run a cooking school I was aware of Digger D who apparently
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made him prison because my daughter has listened to Mr.
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D I did wonder where your daughter would come into this yes my daughter has listened to Mr.
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D on some of the songs nice so it's his first album after two previous mixtape
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albums right we're back to the mixtape albums again we're familiar with that
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sometimes it works yeah and actually I think it works well this is a.
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Unusually short short album from a UK rapper. So it's only 45 minutes.
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I have to say I like the short and snappy approach to the tracks.
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It's more expansive sound than just drill which is what it is with other things. I agree.
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Yeah, literally this starts off with a kind of orchestra, again,
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there's another album and the podcast that starts off with an orchestral movement on 2023.
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I saw an interview with him online when he was talking about the kind of backstory
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of the album and saying that this record was trying to capture his life,
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his journey, a bit X-factor, but you know.
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And his growth as an artist over the last few years.
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And also, interestingly, he said his favourite track on the album was Time,
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which I tend to agree with, which starts there.
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What I quite like about this, it's commercial it does cover his journey if you
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listen to the lyrics in fact I'm on time there's a really great line about industry
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plants which again comes in more later on podcast,
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and I think that it starts off the album starts
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off really strong with Welcome to My Strip Hocus
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Pocus with Lord Connor and especially Adolescence the song with Digger D which
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I think is a really standout cut on the record but what I like is again the
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album doesn't fall away it starts strong but actually unlike a lot of recent
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albums in this genre where I've had a strong desire to turn off the record,
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with this I was quite happy to basically continue and I think that's partly
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because it's a combination of, some really strongly structured bars.
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Some surprisingly good hooks and it's a very clear clear rap sound as well so
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it's like it's not going to mumble today you have to hear what he's saying pay
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everything inventive but overbearing musical accompaniment,
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which compliments as opposed to fighting the raps which I think there's several
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things we've reviewed in the last couple of years where almost the,
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there's too much going on in the musical side of things that it's just overpowering everything else.
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In the latter half of the album, I mentioned a few things at the start.
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There's obviously the now, I suppose, because of Stormzy, kind of compulsory
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gospel-tinged kind of thing, so Rain, but really good, good, good.
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And I really like the final track as well, Till We Meet Again,
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which I also think is one of the strongest songs on the record. Yeah.
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So I was actually fairly impressed by Unknown Tea, actually.
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For me, I agree, everything you've said. For me, it was drill.
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Drill and yeah i'm on my god a middle-aged
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man saying drill jesus it was drill but it
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was drill with an old school bouncing part as well i think
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that's what i what i liked about it it had yes yes
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it was modern yes it was very much
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british hip-hop as it is now but it occasionally
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sort of went into that sort of west coast bounce
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along the sort of vibe as well and
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i think actually on on the tracks like time and adolescence that's
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where you heard it and and and again what
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i also liked about this which was different was yes you
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had the journey from start to
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finish but that was kind of at the beginning and
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a little bit towards the end but actually in the middle you had other
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stuff as well which was was also engaging i think we've reviewed a lot of albums
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particularly by british rap artists the last couple of years where it is very
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much about the journey and it's very very personal and it usually corners around
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life on the streets justice family love bad romance.
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Yes all of that was here all of that was
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here but in a way that wasn't i was about to say a way that wasn't drake but
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you know i mean yeah it was a way that wasn't just sort of set out as a as an
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endurance or as something that the artists had to go through to get to the point
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where they get to at the end of the album and that is not to delegate any of
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the great rap albums we have I've listened to it the last couple of years, of which we've liked.
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And I'm thinking of gigs and Dave and all those others, but,
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but this was really good. Yeah. It was, it was.
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Tales of Life. You see Rain in the right hand.
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The right hand's quite fun. And then you had tunes like Avengers Assemble,
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which sounded like Ragaton on speed. Yes. Yeah, it just throws in that. It's brilliant. Yeah, liked it.
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Okay, moving on. Debut album from US German band made of Caitlyn Ziegler and Robert Goldbach.
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Hermosa. And obviously, I'm just calling Hermosa. The album track's called Hermosa, too. Indeed.
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And they produced 90s shootgaze-inspired indie rock.
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So from this album, I did like the track Hermosa from the album Hermosa by the
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band Hermosa. Okay. Thank you very much. This is classic indie rock, isn't it? I mean, this is, you know, as... Hello, the 90s.
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I was about to say, as the name suggests, plants its flag somewhere between
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the now and the old indie scene of the 90s. I mean, it's got all those bands in there somewhere.
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It's, you know, particularly tracks like Ride It Out and Paper Heart.
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I could be listening to a 90s band, to be honest, and actually quite enjoying
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it as well. It's done well. But what I also liked about the album is, again, not one note,
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like another album we reviewed earlier.
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You've got tracks like Two and Messy, which Messy as in Untidy, not the footballer.
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Both tracks demonstrating a lighter vocal and a more gentler sound.
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Sort of dropped in the end there. But then you have something like Anti-Bucket List, which is very raw and very
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sort of shouty and very angry indie.
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Yeah, the loudness of that. The loudness of punk indie from the 90s.
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But still very much in the 90s. And also, oh, also, the anti-bucket list.
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Yeah. The delivery of the lyrics. Do you think in Macarena? Yes.
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Yeah. It's got anger there. Of its time as well. References.
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So, yeah, I enjoyed this one. Yeah,
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I have to say, yeah, it literally does what it says on the tin. Yeah.
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And someone that's very rarely met a distorted guitar I didn't like.
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I was thinking okay this can only disappoint me from that kind of point of view
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but thankfully as I say it's good immediately you've got the open track which
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is a very kind of my bloody valentine distorted guitar,
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sound I love Paper Heart,
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really catchy tune I love the lyric you took my paper heart and fed it through
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the shredder I think that That's really, really clever. Yeah.
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I also love the kind of... It has a really good non-guitar solo in it as well.
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It gets the people where you think it should be the guitar solo.
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And then the kind of drums and guitars just come in about two-thirds in.
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And you're thinking, is it going to get a guitar solo? It doesn't,
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but it works really well. Love the riff on Ride It Out. I just say two.
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I really like the kind of vocals on the chorus there. too much and then there's
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the surprise of the bit sax coming in yeah which is like great and,
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This is an interesting album because I should say that I became aware of this
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record because someone I follow and interact with on Threads,
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a gentleman called David Scoffey, who apparently is also a singer-songwriter,
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plugged the album because Caitlin's his wife.
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He's someone that also does the kind of 10 random listeners thing.
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Yeah, I've been meaning to ask you that. Do you want to have that conversation now or later? I thought,
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oh, let's review, come in to do a review album, let's review that.
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Everyone follow iOverload on Twitter. Thankfully, thankfully,
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for Dave and Caelan, we both liked the album.
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I didn't really, at the time, I thought, it's a shoegaze, I went, okay, fine, yeah.
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Let's give it a try. Yeah, I actually thought this was genuinely an enjoyable record.
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Moving on, Marika Hackman, The only person, big sigh, the only person on the
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podcast we've reviewed before. I thought we had. Yes.
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We reviewed, this is the fifth album. We reviewed a second album. Did we?
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Back on podcast six, 2017, which was I'm Not Your Man.
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British artist, obviously. This starts very atmospheric and piano based.
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And it's quite subdued album musically, I think, overall.
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Whilst there is bits that are not. but lyrically it's
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slightly more anxiety and stress-ridden but also quite
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cathartic so you got songs like hanging to
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relate a song about past relationships where she's felt suffocated and
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trapped and a song that's just
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got so many good lines and it's unbelievable so it's like i wouldn't
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i wouldn't like to hold my breath to be pushed under water when i'm coming up
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for air thinking i'm like because every time i feel that yes because every time
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i talk with suffocate remember when you said I'm a disease and you'd like to
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kill me in your dreams again and then better and my heart won't grow with your fingers down my throat.
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To be fair Hackman says herself that she thinks that's one of the best songs
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she's ever ever written that particular song but there's a similar theme going
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through tracks like Blood Please Don't Be So Kind,
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which are also in a similar vein although I love again back to Saxophone on
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the last album I love the The horns that are on Please Don't Be So Kind really works pretty well.
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I really love the piano instrumental that's in the middle of the album,
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Lonely House, which sounds very much Kate Bushy.
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But there are a couple of moments that are slightly more up-tempo.
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I think particularly Caffeine earlier on the album, which is,
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again, quite dark, but quite fun.
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And also, lyrically-wise, on vitamins, there's a lot I might just describe myself
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as a sack of shit and oxygen. Yeah, which I think is, again, summing up the upbeat tone of the record.
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I think this is an album I haven't listened to enough, but it's one of those
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records that I think is probably one of those records that if you give it time,
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it's one of those things that you kind of go, really good.
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As is still quite interesting but.
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Yeah I agree I think I didn't give this enough time and I will,
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it's it's a mixture of very mature I
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talk about mature pop music on this podcast sometimes this is very mature pop
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music like it's some sort of cheese you would need to get into this is very
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mature it's a camembert it's a real it's proper proper mature pop music but
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it's very clever and And it's got very great, it's got great, clever lyrics.
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I really like No Caffeine as an opener.
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Yeah. It's probably one of the more melodic songs on the album as well.
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That said, the album does remain pretty quiet until you get to the hanging, or hanging.
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Yeah. And then the final third of the album kicks in, which I really enjoyed, actually.
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I feel there's a sort of a closure to it all.
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Yeah, I think in the second half. Yeah, it's stronger, isn't it?
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Yeah, it's definitely stronger. so that final third you know you get you get
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the gentle piano of and of the lonely house which is an instrumental you get
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this the strained synthetic is it synthetic or twisted vocal of,
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vitamins yeah just slightly distorted it's through it's put through something
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definitely which i also like and then you get the really horrible song slime.
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Which is great yeah so yeah
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i i agree i agree it's it's an album that deserves to marinate and be listened
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to again and again so we move on to the final album actually before and the
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final album was being set set up by the fact that obviously bbc sounds of 24
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came out So their top five were five,
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Elmeen, apparently his soul.
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Number four was Tyler.
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Number three, DJ Peggy Goo. Number two, Olivia Dean, who I actually had heard of.
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And number one were The Last Dinner Party. So, that album was meant to come out at the end of March.
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Off the back of them winning this prize, whoever the record company are,
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decided to bump it up a bit, so it actually came out a week ago.
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So, The Last Dinner Party, predilected to ecstasy, worthy of the hype or not, Peter?
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This is interesting, interesting because i know
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nothing about record company shenanigans i
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get look okay
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i've read i've read i've read i've read this is actually a band i actually did
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read into okay that's what i'm trying to say and i actually really like a classic
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sort of indie act but this is a very well produced indie act you've got james
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ford involved here james ford's a name that keeps cropping up on this podcast.
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Apparently he's producing one of the upcoming albums of the year he might be
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producing one of the upcoming albums of the year I can tell you that now but
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prior to the Depeche Mode he has done Depeche Mode and he has done Blur,
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it's got clear influences from the art rock scene it has got I think the obvious
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one is Florence the Machine yeah apparently it's supported late last year yeah
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and you know when you listen to tracks like that Burn Alive,
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very strong there But you also get Bowie in there. Bowie's in there. I can hear Bowie.
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And apparently they've said Bowie's an influence, so I can sort of pick it up.
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So I like that. I like Caesar on a TV screen. I like Sinner because it was a bit of a 60s swing.
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There's also an ABBA thing going on there as well.
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Everything's going on. Yeah, and that's the thing.
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It's got a lot going on. and i feel
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like i feel like this is a this is one of
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those but i said this to to to to my wife i said
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i found this band and i'm reviewing and
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i feel like they are one of
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those bands that are gonna do a stage
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at glastonbury this year and the state it's going to
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be over subscribed it's going to be well they
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did it last year i saw that i saw they
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did it last year but they're going to be on like the second stage this year
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or the first stage but okay and it's going to be
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but it's going to be over subscribe so that's that they're a hype band and
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i don't mean that in a derogatory way because actually i quite like some of
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this stuff but i can't help feel there's a bit of polish here that wouldn't
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be here normally and i'm just picking this up from nothing that you've said
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or we've discussed but i'm getting a feel from you that you're about to reveal something.
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No, I'm not. Oh, okay. Well, I'm going to make a real fact that they literally
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got together at university. Yeah, no, that's what I mean. They got together at university and actually, obviously, a bit...
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It's a bit polished, though, isn't it? Well, no, but I think,
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again, it's a bit like... And I like... Let me just say this very clearly.
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I actually really like this album. It's a bit like when they...
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Yes! That was what I was about to say! I know, but people always say it's a
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bit like when they're in industry plants. No, that's what I'm getting at.
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And they're going, now we'll be playing live for like fucking four years they
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put the graft in and yeah we were signed because once I was on the line doing
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live gig and went oh my god we need to sign this that's what I mean they're bloody lucky,
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they're a bit they are the wet leg of 2024 and there's
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a lot of hype about them and I love a bit of hype but I'm
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just a middle aged man with a lot of cynicism these days
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so I've read too much into it they are the
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wet leg they are the James Ford produced band of the
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year other than the other one you know I'm all
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for it I'm bought in I think this is
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the next classic indie of the
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UK absolutely in that long line of acts that includes Wet Leg and whoever came
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before Wet Leg and stems all the way back to Bloody Oasis via the Arctic Monkeys
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I think this album is absolutely glorious it's going to be great glorious for
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staff any band Oh, and Will Fallis, sorry, Will Fallis.
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Any band that names their album after the instrumental track that opens the thing.
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Which I also like. Exactly, yeah. We're going to have a strange kind of orchestral
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opening track, and we're going to name the album after that track. Okay, fine.
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But for me, it's like, how can you go wrong with a band that sounds like Like a combination of...
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So you didn't say Abba, but... Abba. For me, I was going with Sparks.
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Ooh, yes. Very good. I'm sitting there. All right, yeah. And Burn Live,
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Suzie and the Banshees. Yeah, yeah.
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Bit of Medieval Babes in Goodyear. Yeah, you've lost me.
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Lena Lovage, praise the all over the fucking show. It was interesting because
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the first thing I ever heard from this band just before Christmas when I heard My Lady at Mercy,
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and it came on YouTube after watching several things and I was going oh this
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is interesting and as soon as the kind of 70s rock guitars came in the chorus
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was going oh my god I love this band yes give me more give me more.
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And it's just, yeah, it's just great. All members of the band write.
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There's not only just one kind of thing.
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And it's just a weird, wonderful thing.
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Yeah. It's just like, I've actually written, look, in my notes here,
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I've actually written, my notes begin at last, exclamation mark.
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A wonderful return to the scene of a classic indie act.
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Yeah. I mean, they're a band that are lifting from lots of other people.
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Without doubt. They demonstrate their influences on their sleeve. But so unique.
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And that's what you want from great artists. They've been going,
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we're going to pull in stuff like this, but it's still not the same.
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The cynicism has even got me after a couple of listens. I'm like, what's going on here?
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You're wrong. I am absolutely wrong. I'm absolutely wrong.
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This is an album that i've been
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chewing over this is the most difficult album of
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the podcast for me because i feel that i
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am on if it's not this album it's the next album it's a classic i mean the next
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album by them yes no but i know i think yeah but i think this is just really
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terrific album the first listen i was like i don't know the second i was like
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oh yeah i'm here yeah sit sit back and go yes this is,
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the wet leg album this is the wet leg album I know this is the one this album
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will be my top five at the end of the year I can tell you now exactly,
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I'm just I don't know maybe I'm just trained to hear these things now and think what what,
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However, what else might be in our top five by the end of the year?
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I think James Ford's next produced album, aren't you?
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I am going to mention some of the albums that we may or may not be reviewing.
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So coming out in February, a new album by Declan McKenna, a new album by Sly
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Youth, a new album by MGMT. Still playing this bit. Exactly. Wow. March, we have Yard Act,
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Jesus and Mary Chain, Gordon, who was obviously in Sly Youth,
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youth mack sahatchi who we've read
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before judas priest cheryl crow dandy warhols
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yes miss musgraves km5 then
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we get to april apparently i've telly swift and they're not know how well she
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obviously announced was winning grammys she's gonna go far that girl and jane
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weaver who we've reviewed before and some of the band apparently you know is
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the two of them there are two of them and apparently it's gone on the list.
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I'm reviewed by the person you just mentioned. But yeah. Exactly.
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Apparently that also comes out in April. Yeah. Brilliant. Looking forward to that.
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Yeah. So yeah. Some stuff to look forward to.
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Well, stay tuned, folks, because we'll try and podcast a bit more regularly
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these days. Yeah. 40 and 2.
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Actually, it's also going to be a bit weird because I'm almost certainly going
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to post this one in the next couple of days rather than take several weeks to do it.
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So it'll feel like we're like really kind of podcasting like every couple of
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weeks. We're on fire again. It's excellent. Anyway, lovely to see you. Bye-bye. Till then.
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