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1:03

So the purpose of this episode

1:06

is to give a little more insight into the case

1:08

at the center of season two, that

1:10

being the murder of Britney Stikes and

1:13

her unborn child. I figured there's

1:15

no better way of doing that than speaking with the local,

1:17

someone who has spent a lot of time following

1:19

this case much more than I have. And

1:22

if you've listened to our first two episodes, you

1:24

probably know the local I'm talking about.

1:26

and that's our very own producer, Jessica

1:29

Knoll. Hi, Jessica.

1:31

Hi, Dennis. Thanks

1:32

for sitting down with me and doing this.

1:34

Yeah. Thanks for having me. Can

1:36

you please tell the audience little

1:39

more about yourself?

1:40

So my name is Jessica Knowl.

1:42

I'm an investigative journalist. And

1:45

I've been a journalist for a

1:47

little over twenty years now. And

1:51

around two thousand eighteen or So I actually

1:53

pivoted my focus solely

1:56

to podcast and

1:58

True Crime.

1:59

Over the years though, I've

2:02

always

2:03

wanted to cover and have covered

2:05

several unsolved and cold

2:07

cases there's just something

2:10

about digging into the cases and

2:12

talking to the families and the

2:14

investigators that

2:16

really appeals to me because it's

2:18

a call to action for the

2:21

audience to do something and

2:23

hopefully bring some answers and

2:26

some justice to those involved

2:28

and close these cases.

2:30

So

2:31

on that note, can you just tell me

2:34

sorta as a insider and as

2:36

a local to this case.

2:39

Do you remember

2:40

where you were living when this happened?

2:43

about nine years ago. Can you

2:45

just kinda describe that? Yeah.

2:47

I

2:48

was living right where I'm sitting

2:50

right now in Georgetown, which is the

2:52

county seat for Brown County where this

2:54

happened. And sixty

2:57

eight is maybe a five

2:59

minute drive from here. And where it happened

3:01

on sixty eight, is maybe

3:04

ten minutes away from me. And it's actually

3:06

a

3:07

main thoroughfare for this county

3:10

for people to get from place to place. So

3:12

I actually drive right

3:14

past where it happened and now her

3:16

memorial on a weekly

3:18

basis. My husband

3:20

refreshed my memory of what

3:22

was going on at that time. And

3:25

he had actually gone down to

3:27

a store close

3:29

to our house in town, and

3:32

everyone was talking about

3:34

someone being shot on sixty eight.

3:37

And I was working in Cincinnati

3:40

in a TV newsroom as a reporter,

3:43

and he obviously immediately

3:45

called me to tell me what was

3:47

going on. I believe

3:49

he thinks that our

3:51

TV station actually broke the news

3:54

of shooting happening.

3:57

So

3:58

that's where I was. I was working as

4:00

a journalist here in Cincinnati and

4:03

it's an unbelievable case

4:05

to happen here. Well,

4:07

that's a neat detail about you working

4:09

in the station and hearing the news that

4:11

way and then the station breaking it. I

4:13

actually did not know that, so

4:15

I'm glad your husband remembered that detail.

4:18

On that note though, can you

4:20

just

4:20

tell me what the reaction to

4:23

this was in town, the people you

4:25

spoke with. Does this kind of thing happen

4:27

here? Does Brown County have

4:29

murders often? tell me a little more

4:31

about that. I

4:31

mean, no. Brown County

4:34

is a rural

4:36

county, a lot of farms,

4:39

we don't have this type of crime

4:41

happening here. This isn't like a big

4:43

city or a metropolis where

4:46

shootings may be an everyday occurrence.

4:48

This was, you know, stopped the presses

4:51

kind of thing. It was

4:53

an absolute shock and

4:56

it was also frightening

4:59

because at one point, it was like, well, was

5:01

this random? Was this just a

5:03

roadside shooting? Could this happen to

5:05

any of us? you know, going

5:07

into this podcast, we're

5:09

trying to dig into that and try to figure

5:11

out, is this random or was it,

5:13

you know, a purposeful shooting

5:16

But as far as being local, it

5:18

blew us away and it was frightening

5:21

to have this happen here. In Brown

5:23

County, the crimes

5:26

that we have here, a lot

5:28

of them actually sent her more around

5:31

drug usage we actually have

5:33

a a drug task force that was formed

5:35

for that. And having

5:38

myself covered the heroin epidemic

5:40

throughout Ohio and Kentucky for many

5:42

years. That's what

5:44

I see here and have

5:46

been told by law enforcement that that is

5:49

one of our biggest crimes

5:51

that occur here in this county, murders,

5:54

no. And shootings certainly

5:56

not. And, I mean, I

5:58

can actually count on one

6:00

hand how many

6:03

shootings or murders that I can think

6:05

of in the entire county.

6:07

Brown county is

6:10

like the quintessential small

6:12

town So

6:15

everyone kinda knows everyone

6:17

and everyone knows everyone's business and

6:19

the fact that we didn't know

6:21

what happened here was

6:24

very unsettling. What's

6:26

interesting to me is a lot of

6:28

people still don't necessarily remember

6:31

the name Britney Stikes. But as soon

6:33

as you say, the yellow Jeep

6:35

with the woman who was shot

6:38

on sixty eight, Everyone

6:40

knows because it was a

6:42

very identifiable vehicle

6:44

which we'll get into in this podcast.

6:48

Obviously,

6:48

when news of a murder breaks, there can

6:50

be a lot of gossip within

6:52

a town, especially in

6:54

a small town like this, Can

6:56

you tell me that just in a in a

6:58

normal day in town or in the years that have

7:00

passed? Like, do people tend to

7:02

want to talk about this case? and

7:04

tell you things they've heard or or do people

7:07

kind of shy away from that? Well,

7:08

it depends, Dennis. If we're talking about

7:11

Jessica, the journalist, or Jessica,

7:13

the local, because it

7:16

has been in my experience working

7:18

on this podcast, people

7:20

tend to shy away from

7:23

speaking on the record or being

7:25

recorded about their thoughts

7:27

and theories of what happened. But

7:30

if we're talking about Jessica,

7:32

the local sitting in her

7:35

beauty parlor, it's

7:37

more like the steel

7:39

Magnolia setting. You

7:41

bring up her name and it

7:43

is everyone talking

7:45

about what they think

7:47

happened, who they think did it,

7:49

why? And again, everyone

7:51

knows everyone. So there's little nuggets

7:53

and pieces whew

7:56

to this crime that

7:58

everyone has some sort of relation

7:59

to, which is something else

8:02

that I have found as we've been investigating

8:04

this case ourselves. And

8:05

obviously, I'd love to get into just

8:08

some of the things you've heard on this. But

8:10

quickly, before we get into that though, could you

8:12

just give audience. Just a quick

8:14

recap of the case. Obviously, we know

8:16

some of it having released two episodes

8:18

now. But, yeah, if you could just give a quick recap

8:20

on the murder of Britney Stikes That'd

8:23

be great.

8:23

Yeah. On

8:25

August twenty eighth

8:27

twenty thirteen, Britney,

8:30

who was pregnant, was

8:33

driving her husband,

8:35

Shane's yellow Jeep with

8:37

her daughter, Aubrey, and they

8:39

were driving from the

8:41

neighboring couple towns over from her

8:43

mother-in-law's house through

8:45

Georgetown and to sixty eight on her

8:47

way to celebrate her

8:49

dad's birthday. when she was on

8:51

sixty eight, just south of

8:53

Ghislik, she was

8:55

shot in her jeep.

8:57

The jeep went off the road,

9:00

crossed the double yellow line,

9:02

went off the road and into a

9:05

very wooded ravine. And

9:07

she was pronounced dead at the scene

9:10

and her daughter

9:12

Aubrey was fighting for her life at

9:14

that time.

9:15

Yeah. You know, it's not just

9:18

Britney that was lost in this shoes, also

9:20

pregnant, and her unborn child was

9:22

lost in this. And, obviously, her

9:25

daughter, Aubrey, suffered a wound

9:27

in this as well and went through multiple

9:29

surgeries and thankfully is

9:31

okay now. but it was just overall

9:33

just a incredibly tragic

9:35

incident to happen in a

9:37

very sad and unfortunate incident

9:39

at that. yeah, I'd be

9:41

curious to hear, like, what

9:44

rumors have you heard. I know you obviously gotta

9:46

be careful about what you can say, but just

9:48

as an insider, I'm sure you talked many people

9:50

about this. You know, do you have

9:52

ideas going to this about what

9:54

could have happened? Absolutely.

9:55

I mean, You

9:57

know what they say about opinions.

9:59

It's the same

9:59

as theories. Everyone has one.

10:02

And

10:02

they run the gamut. the

10:04

biggest theory

10:06

that ran through the rumor mill

10:08

and really I don't know

10:10

that it's really died down. There

10:12

are still a good majority of people that

10:14

believe the idea

10:16

that her husband had

10:18

something to do with this. whether

10:21

directly or indirectly. So

10:23

we wanted to make sure that we

10:25

were looking at every part

10:27

of that rumor because it

10:29

was such a big deal here.

10:31

And then there were

10:33

rumors of the potential

10:35

of having something to

10:37

do with payback for something,

10:39

whether it was a payback

10:41

because of something her husband did

10:43

or something, someone else in her family

10:45

may have done. there

10:47

are theories that it was

10:50

something to do with a motorcycle gang.

10:52

One of the theories that kind

10:55

of is the center of all

10:57

this, which is what I just

10:59

spoke about, with

11:01

what the biggest crime here

11:03

is it's drug related. So

11:05

a lot of the rumors really

11:07

have a foundation of

11:10

something to do with drugs. whether it

11:12

was owed money for drugs or

11:14

retaliation or as Shane puts

11:16

it in his own words, a message.

11:18

So that's something that you

11:20

know, going into this podcast

11:22

as an investigative journalist

11:25

and you coming in from the

11:27

outside and working with me as

11:29

a local it was so

11:31

important to make sure that

11:33

we don't necessarily

11:35

buy into rumors,

11:37

but that we are able to somehow

11:41

debunk or validate some

11:43

of these rumors. But you gotta

11:45

imagine in a case like

11:47

this, like, we go down rabbit

11:49

holes, but law enforcement, they

11:52

get tips and leads and constantly

11:55

have to chase those in

11:57

order to rule them out

11:59

or look

11:59

at them closer. So

12:02

the rumor mills

12:04

have probably helped, but

12:07

also hindered a lot of the

12:09

investigation. Because like I said, every rabbit

12:11

hole we go down Law enforcement has

12:13

probably gone down a million

12:15

others. But something

12:17

like this podcast could have

12:19

the ability to take one of those

12:21

rabbit holes, one of those rumors, and

12:25

someone will hear something that

12:27

triggers something in their mind and

12:29

possibly come forward with the right information.

12:31

And then obviously, that's our hope here. If

12:33

I could

12:34

just add to that too in speaking

12:36

with sergeant Carlson, who's

12:38

leading the investigation on this now.

12:40

You know, I remember he made a mention

12:42

of looking at this

12:44

case, on one hand, it can look like a random

12:46

attack. And on the other hand,

12:48

it can look very directed. And I

12:50

think a lot of what will play into this too is kind

12:52

of a question of was

12:54

this just a coincidence? Is

12:56

that possible? I mean, it's

12:59

interesting because, yeah, you know, two

13:01

different coincidence or at play at

13:03

least. And that is, as you mentioned,

13:05

it was her dad's birthday. You know, what are the

13:07

chances of you

13:09

being murdered on your father's

13:11

birthday? could that just happen?

13:12

Or was

13:13

there a reason that

13:15

she was killed on that day?

13:17

And same thing then with the road rage incident,

13:20

you know, you can ask the question. What's the chances

13:22

that you can be involved in

13:24

a road rage incident in the morning

13:26

hours? And then later that night,

13:28

essentially be involved in

13:31

another one, you know, at least an

13:33

incident that led to her murder on the road.

13:35

So it's wild and and I

13:37

think that's gonna captivate people as we

13:39

kinda get further into this is the possibilities and

13:41

the ideas around is this coincidence

13:43

or not? Road

13:44

rage is definitely

13:47

part of that rumor mill also.

13:49

But I I can also tell you that no

13:51

one I've spoken to locally

13:54

believes that this was a random shooting.

13:56

I think that was an immediate

13:59

reaction and thought

13:59

when it happened and almost

14:02

as quickly was

14:05

diminished because we just don't

14:07

have those things happen here.

14:09

We don't have

14:10

random attacks on people.

14:13

Not to say that it couldn't be, But

14:15

as far as our investigation

14:17

into this, it just does not

14:19

look that way to us either.

14:22

So

14:22

kind of

14:23

a two part question here. I'm curious

14:25

to know, first of all, what

14:28

made you want to officially investigate

14:31

this case. And then also,

14:33

what's come out of that? And what can listeners

14:35

expect out of the season?

14:37

Oh, I

14:38

mean, putting it

14:39

as simply as I can, Dennis. I

14:41

mean, this is my backyard. These

14:43

are my neighbors. This is my community.

14:46

I want these answers to

14:48

And then in getting to know the dots in's,

14:50

I want answers and justice

14:52

for them. I actually

14:54

like to separate where I

14:56

live and the stories I cover.

14:58

But this one has knotted me

15:00

for almost a decade. And the

15:03

idea of us coming in

15:05

and looking at this case and

15:07

working with law enforcement and working with

15:09

our family it was a

15:11

no brainer for me because

15:14

as a local, it's

15:16

frightening. It's scary to think that

15:18

there's a killer hiding in

15:20

the shadows here. But it's even

15:22

more terrifying to think that it's someone

15:24

in plain sight. And as we get

15:26

into this podcast, there

15:29

are people that are gonna tell me

15:31

you know who they are. And

15:33

so I wanna find out for

15:36

her family, for law enforcement,

15:38

for this community. I

15:40

want those answers,

15:41

but like

15:42

a lot of small towns, there

15:46

are darker things

15:48

lurking, skeletons in the closet.

15:50

And so for me, it's just been

15:52

surreal to be digging into one of those

15:54

mysteries right here

15:56

in my own backyard. It's

15:58

an interesting case

15:59

Britney,

16:01

by all accounts, everyone

16:03

we've spoken to, was

16:06

just a wonderful person

16:09

and not only didn't deserve this, but

16:11

neither did her unborn child and

16:13

neither did Aubrey. And

16:16

whatever we can do to keep this

16:18

case in the forefront of people's

16:20

minds and don't let it fall

16:22

into the shadows and

16:24

keep it out there, the better.

16:27

Yeah.

16:27

Absolutely. I I couldn't say better.

16:30

Yeah. One of the biggest things you can

16:32

do is just get the story out there. Make sure

16:34

people know it. And with

16:35

that, I mean, like you said,

16:37

this case has been covered extensively

16:39

by local media. a lot

16:41

of information is out there, but I will say

16:44

we have dug our heels in. We have dug

16:46

deep into this case. There

16:48

are things and people that

16:50

you've not heard of, you've not heard about,

16:53

that may tip the scale

16:55

of someone recognizing

16:57

something and coming forward. So

16:59

this isn't the same

17:01

story that you've

17:03

heard before. I mean, we're still working

17:05

on this investigation as we speak

17:08

today. and we are actively working on

17:10

it as the story continues to

17:12

unfold throughout the

17:14

season. So this

17:16

isn't over for us. We're in the middle

17:18

of production, postproduction, and fieldwork

17:20

all at once. So it it's exciting

17:23

because as we

17:25

release episodes, we could have

17:27

stuff break in this

17:29

case that

17:31

would be live as we're pushing on

17:33

episodes. And that's a little

17:35

scary on the podcast production side, but

17:37

also really exciting for this case and

17:39

her family and the community. So

17:41

call in to Braun County Sheriff's

17:44

Office if you have any information

17:46

even after listening to these first

17:49

few episodes. So I wanna

17:50

expand on that a little bit and

17:52

the work we have done so far and the people

17:54

we've spoken to so far, what

17:57

surprised you? You

17:58

know what's really interesting about doing

18:01

boots on the ground investigation. It's

18:04

when you talk to one person, it

18:07

leads you to another person. And

18:09

it's like putting this jigsaw

18:12

puzzle together all

18:14

along also working in tandem with law enforcement to

18:16

make sure that nothing that

18:18

we are covering or uncovering

18:21

is going to hurt or hinder their

18:24

investigation because that is the last

18:26

thing that we would ever wanna

18:28

do here. But I will say

18:30

one person who

18:33

really surprised me in

18:35

talking to them and you hear from

18:37

him right out the gate on episode one

18:39

is Craig Lebel. what

18:42

he witnessed gives

18:44

me chills when I hear his interview.

18:46

There is something that led

18:49

him in the wrong direction and

18:51

found Britney and Aubrey to

18:53

save Aubrey's life. obviously, you

18:55

and I met Aubrey last

18:58

summer when we started all

19:01

this. But to sit down with her

19:03

this year, and actually talked to her

19:05

for an interview, that

19:07

little girl beyond being

19:09

a miracle for surviving and and not

19:11

only surviving, but thriving,

19:13

that little girl,

19:15

she is

19:16

so wise

19:18

beyond her years. The

19:20

way that she thinks

19:23

about things, how she believes

19:25

in things, and just the

19:27

way that she presents herself

19:31

was pretty awe inspiring. And

19:33

I think that when you get to

19:37

hearing her entire sit down

19:39

with us, it's gonna blow your

19:41

mind because she is definitely

19:44

the beaming

19:46

bright spot little sunshine as

19:48

her grandma would call her or her grandma

19:50

would call her, you're gonna

19:52

know the sunshine

19:54

of this podcast. is speaking

19:57

with Aubrey. And

19:59

beyond that,

20:01

we have a

20:02

couple interviews coming up in future episodes

20:05

that I think you're gonna

20:08

just wOW you.

20:10

Like, what is happening

20:13

here? there's just so many

20:15

people in this podcast there

20:18

that have never spoken about

20:20

this. and they felt like

20:22

this was their time to talk about

20:24

it. And obviously,

20:27

I find that and honor and a privilege that they wanted

20:29

to speak with us.

20:32

But

20:32

it's

20:33

incredible the

20:35

the emotion is still so raw, almost a decade

20:37

later, you would think that this just happened.

20:40

Yeah. No

20:40

doubt. If I could just echo

20:42

that same thing, kinda took

20:44

the words on my mouth there because, yeah, it

20:47

really has been an emotional

20:49

ride. At least so far, that

20:51

wasn't to be I mean, same with me. I'm a pretty

20:53

reserved person and and

20:55

especially, as you said, in in this line

20:58

of work, you try to remain that way,

21:00

but it's had its ups and

21:02

downs. The audience is is going

21:04

to feel some as

21:06

they go along in the story with this. You know,

21:08

it's funny. When you came out and resonate,

21:10

you kinda brought the story along with

21:12

you. And this was a story that you

21:15

felt really passionate about with being in your backyard and and

21:17

wanting to cover it. Originally, this was

21:19

supposed to be more of a a standalone podcast,

21:22

not part of a series.

21:25

And then, you know, I just got enthralled with

21:27

it and sort of stole it

21:29

from me, I guess, you could say. And it's funny.

21:31

You know, we mentioned that all the time,

21:33

but it just felt

21:34

well right

21:35

for culpable. And so

21:37

just on the record, I just wanna tell

21:40

you thank you for letting me steal this case,

21:42

and I hope that keeping you as a

21:44

part of it and leaning on you is

21:46

my right hand on this because I would be

21:48

totally lost without you. you know,

21:50

I hope you still feel fulfilled

21:52

and and working on this. And,

21:53

yeah, let's keep pushing forward and hope we can make

21:56

a difference.

21:56

I don't believe that there is

21:59

any stealing of

22:01

cases involved. I'm

22:03

thrilled that this case is getting

22:06

to be part of the palpable podcast.

22:08

It makes perfect sense as to

22:10

where it fits. And I

22:13

love the Jux a position in this

22:16

podcast where I'm the local and you're the

22:18

outsider, and

22:20

we come at this together. But

22:22

at the same time, you know, we're both investigating a

22:24

lot deeper into this case

22:26

than than I ever have. And

22:29

so to me I mean,

22:31

that's beyond fulfilling because

22:34

this is a case that

22:36

is just close to me in so

22:38

many ways. because the more ears

22:40

and eyes and people

22:42

who are paying attention to these cases

22:44

that aren't solved yet, the better

22:48

for you and I. This isn't

22:50

oh, you stole this and it's gonna be

22:52

palpable now. It's like, fantastic. We already

22:54

have a base audience of

22:58

millions who now are gonna get to hear

23:00

Britney's story. So

23:02

I love being a part of it.

23:05

It is definitely a case that you knew I

23:07

was interested in and I'm

23:09

thrilled that it is going to be the season

23:11

two for culpable. Well, Jessica,

23:13

I

23:13

think that about covers everything I have for

23:16

you. Does any other comments you wanna make?

23:18

Anything else you wanna say before you

23:20

wrap up? In covering

23:21

cases like this, over

23:23

the years. There have been people who reach

23:26

out to me directly because

23:28

there's a distrust or

23:31

fear of law enforcement or whatever it may be or

23:33

they don't want their name used. I want

23:36

to reiterate that you

23:38

can actually send tips

23:40

into the sheriff's office anonymously.

23:42

So your name doesn't have

23:44

to be involved in it. And I

23:46

think that that's really important to remember as you're listening

23:48

to this. If you are local or you hear

23:50

it and you know something or know

23:53

someone, But at the

23:55

same time, if you just

23:57

have trepidation and you have a

23:59

strong

23:59

fear against

24:02

reaching out to law enforcement, we

24:04

would be happy to facilitate

24:07

any tips, leads,

24:10

anything, and make sure that those get

24:12

into the right hands at

24:14

the Brown County Sheriff's Office.

24:16

I am so

24:16

glad you hit on that. Yeah. really important.

24:19

Absolutely. If you have any information, definitely

24:21

come forward with it. Like you said, the

24:23

fact that you can do that anonymously

24:25

I hope we'll encourage

24:27

more people to speak up with

24:29

with anything they might know. And again,

24:31

yes, please go to the Brown County Sheriff's Office

24:33

with that information and just to quick plug their

24:36

website where you can find some more

24:38

information on the case and where you can

24:40

submit those tips that's at Brown County the

24:42

Ohio Sheriff dot

24:44

u s. Jessica,

24:46

thanks again for sitting down with me

24:48

and doing this. I hope it helps the audience

24:51

and learning a little more about this case and kinda what we're getting into

24:53

this season.

24:54

Absolutely. Thanks for having me. And I'll

24:57

be getting out and hitting the

24:59

road again. the rest of

25:01

this week to see what we can uncover and keep

25:02

going. So, yeah, I'd be lost without

25:05

you.

25:05

Thanks, Jessica.

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