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Hey everybody, this is Armando Torres and

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you're listening to the show before the show.

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And I'm Paige Wesley. And with us

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we have... Um, questionable

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buckets of doomsday food. Ah,

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yeah, if you want to get yourselves 45 gallons

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of slop, um, or I think

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I saw one that was like a huge like

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Home Depot-sized bucket of

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chili. Uh. Oh no. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Oh no, because you know I'm eating that

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in a day, baby.

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You know that they gotta mix it with one of those paint

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mixers on a drill? Yeah,

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it's absolutely garbage. Um, but

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yeah, we've got those this week. We are talking

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about some preppers and some murderers

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and some real bad people. Lori, Vallow,

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uh, this is our third episode. And

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I thank Paige for doing all of this fantastic

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research. Um, before

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we get started, wanted to talk about some stuff.

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Speaking about research, takes a lot of time to

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do it. Uh, the show is very fun to make

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and it is very time consuming,

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especially for Paige because she does

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a lot of the writing. Um,

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so go to patreon.com slash cult podcast,

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help us support the show, make this show available.

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That's correct. There are still a handful of tickets

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when we said it. Um,

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is going to be so much fun. Um, I

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really like seeing Horror

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Virgin Live. I have seen them

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um, it's really fun to watch and,

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So go to that and

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hop into the show

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Hello

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For the purposes

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of this podcast we define a cult as

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Organizations that rally behind an entity or leader

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who espouse beliefs outside the

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norm Organizations that require physical

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or monetary sacrifice as a condition

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of membership Organizations in which the doctrines

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followed by the leaders are different than that of the followers

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Organizations in which isolation is encouraged

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either by commune living or by a policy

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of disconnection from outside relationships

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And organizations that actively recruit new

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all of these traits and as always

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Thank you for tuning in to cult podcast on Paige Wesley

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and I'm Armando Torres and

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with this we have oops all

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buried Because it's murders.

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It's a lot of murders in this episode only adult murders

3:15

Only the

3:15

grown-up murders today Get

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murders are next week. I'm so sorry. It's I

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have to keep it light so that we don't all cry

3:24

All buried oops all

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buried oh No,

3:29

that seems very similar to what I would

3:31

imagine my perfect TV show is which

3:34

is oops Matt Barry, and it's

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just

3:39

Bunch of stuff. I

3:42

don't even care what it is. It's a day to

3:44

day just like self-check

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out. Yeah, I

3:49

Would pay I would

3:52

if there was a service called Matt Barry plus

3:54

That was just a bunch of shows of Matt

3:56

Barry's doing stuff day to day

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laundromat

3:59

Yeah, it's just yeah,

4:02

and it's just him talking about how

4:04

he's feeling as he does it. I would pay upwards of $25 a month

4:06

for that subscription service.

4:10

There's a great YouTube series where

4:13

Amoeba Music interviews people as they leave

4:15

the store about what they bought and why.

4:18

And they have like famous people come in and shop

4:20

and then go through like what's in their bag. And

4:22

his episode is really great because

4:25

half of the stuff he's like, I don't know anyone is

4:27

going to want to listen to this, but I like it. The fuck y'all

4:29

and then just like keeps going

4:31

through his shit. It's great.

4:33

That's awesome. He's the best.

4:36

Love Matt Barry. Glad to see him have

4:38

success stateside. Oh, absolutely.

4:41

Yeah, he's fucking phenomenal.

4:43

But you know who's absolutely terrible? The

4:46

people that we're going to be talking about.

4:47

Oh, so terrible. And we got a

4:50

lot to get through today because today we're

4:52

actually going to focus on all of the

4:54

adult deaths surrounding this

4:56

case because they all kind of precede

4:59

a

4:59

lot of what we will

5:02

find out happens with the children. We

5:04

will cover a little bit of the initial

5:07

kind of realization of the children's

5:09

disappearance in this episode. But most

5:12

of that's going to be next week. This is all going to be

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about all the people who die

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around Lori and Chad

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leading up to Tyler and JJ's

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disappearance.

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How are you feeling? I mean, the thing

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is, is we had a full conversation before

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we started recording this where I told you

5:32

that yesterday I

5:34

got super high and ate a ton

5:36

of food. And

5:39

then today this morning I woke up and got

5:41

I was still a little high and got a little higher

5:44

and then I ate a pizza bagel from Einstein's

5:47

bagels. I love it. And

5:50

so my vibe is like real

5:52

chill and real good. And

5:54

now I'm going to have to learn about a

5:56

bunch of murders, a bunch

5:58

of murders, but also about the.

5:59

that contributes to those murders.

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And I think we're gonna have some interesting

6:05

things to say about it for sure. Yeah,

6:07

I think that's sort of my point is

6:09

I'm in like perfect true crime mode. I am

6:12

like, I am the podcaster equivalent of

6:14

turning on a cool documentary with a

6:16

snuggled like blanket being like, I'm so

6:18

fucking ready to find out who did this shit.

6:21

This was Jake and I watching telemarketers yesterday.

6:23

Just like. That's a fucking, I love telemarketers

6:25

dude. We haven't finished it yet, but

6:28

like we just bundled up and we were like, let's

6:30

do it. Yeah, let's look at

6:32

the crime and crimes. I

6:35

had absolutely no idea what telemarketers

6:37

was. I just was in the mood to watch

6:39

a documentary and that was up there. And

6:41

I had seen like a Reddit post about it or

6:44

something. So I was like, hmm, click,

6:46

watch the whole first episode and

6:49

didn't realize it was a show. I

6:51

thought it was a one. I thought that was the

6:53

one and only like thing. And it's like

6:55

three

6:55

episodes or something like that. Oh

6:57

yeah. So I still have more

7:00

to go, but that first episode was fucking

7:02

crazy. Yeah, we're obsessed with

7:04

his coworker, obsessed with his coworker

7:07

who seems to have like, they

7:09

pose it initially like he's got conspiracy

7:12

theories and you're like, these are all accurate. Like

7:14

this is all a hundred percent correct. But then he's

7:16

also like snorting heroin in the middle of the

7:18

day being like, hello ma'am, I'm calling

7:21

you from the loyal order of the Buffalo

7:23

police. And you're like, wow,

7:26

I

7:26

am not productive at all.

7:30

This dude is like stacking

7:32

racks on heroin. It's

7:35

fucking crazy. Imagine if,

7:37

you know how sometimes you go to Costco and there's those

7:40

people selling direct TV. Imagine

7:42

if that guy was Kurt Cobain

7:46

and

7:49

just absolutely slamming

7:52

sales of direct TV. This guy fucking rocks. He's

7:54

awesome. And

7:56

yeah, Paige says it correctly. We're

7:59

like they.

7:59

Cause it's about CDG, City

8:03

Development Group? Is that what it's

8:05

called? Citizen,

8:08

something development group? Civic Development

8:10

Group, yeah. They changed their names like four times,

8:12

but. Yeah, it's a pretty

8:14

crazy story. You should go check it out. Honestly,

8:17

sounds like it could be an episode of Colt Podcast.

8:20

Oh, I was like, as I was sitting through

8:22

it, I was like, this is fascinating. Like,

8:25

how did I not know about this? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

8:28

Yep. Anyway, go check that out. My

8:30

point is, is that's how I am right now. I'm

8:32

snuggled up in my blankie, ready to hear about

8:35

true crime.

8:36

Let's do it. Let's get into our sources before

8:38

anything else. So we had some additional sources for the last

8:41

two episodes because we were covering each

8:43

person specifically. Now we're into the meat

8:45

of the story that the media and everyone

8:48

is following currently. So

8:50

we still have Sins of the Mother, the documentary on

8:52

Netflix. We have the Lori

8:54

Valo Case Summary from the Independent.

8:57

That is largely gonna be important

8:59

next week as we get into the disappearance and the trial.

9:02

Same with our next source, the sentencing,

9:05

but this does have a timeline of the

9:07

Doomsday Cult Mom Mystery Case,

9:09

also from the Independent. We have that

9:11

same Business Insider article from last

9:14

week around preparing a people. And

9:17

we also have an

9:19

article from the East

9:20

Idaho News called What

9:22

Alex Cox Revealed Days Before He

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Died. That's gonna come into play late

9:26

in this episode because we will be

9:29

covering what happens to Alex Cox in this

9:31

episode.

9:32

So let's start off where we left

9:34

off from our first two episodes. So we ended

9:36

each of those episodes at the point where Lori

9:38

and Chad meet, and they meet at

9:40

a convention called Preparing a People. We

9:43

talked about it a little bit last week, but let's dive

9:45

into

9:45

it more. So Preparing

9:48

a People's website claims that its

9:50

goal is to quote, prepare the people

9:52

of this earth for the second coming of

9:54

Jesus Christ. It is specifically a doomsday

9:57

prepper organization any

9:59

way you want.

9:59

you slice it, and specifically a

10:02

biblically centered

10:05

doomsday prepper organization.

10:08

Yeah, which is kind of a weird thing

10:10

to do. I would,

10:13

here's what's fucked up about my brain. I can

10:15

wrap my head around a doomsday prepper

10:18

convention. That makes sense. Sure,

10:20

of course, I kinda wanna go. Yeah, I would absolutely

10:22

love to go. It's also not,

10:25

it's becoming increasingly not

10:27

that ludicrous of an idea that

10:29

the world is gonna end at a fiery disaster. If

10:32

you, when you live through 50 days or 100 degree

10:34

weather, you start to realize like, yeah, maybe we're

10:36

fucked actually.

10:37

Hey, when you live through COVID, I'm like, maybe

10:40

I do need a bucket of macaroni salad. Like,

10:42

you know, it changes your outlook

10:44

a bit. 100%, but the

10:46

religious aspect of it, of like just

10:48

biblical end of days

10:51

preppers, it's so fucking wild

10:53

to me, because most of those stories seem

10:55

to be like,

10:56

if you believe in that, it seems

10:59

like you should be on the side where you're like, well, I'm

11:01

for sure gonna get raptured. So it's not gonna

11:03

matter very much.

11:03

I actually, I wrote this down. This

11:06

is like my very next paragraph. I'm so glad you

11:08

brought this up, because I feel the same where I'm

11:10

like, if these biblical prophecies

11:12

come true, do you think canned food

11:14

is the answer? Or do you think you've died

11:17

in a ball of flames? Like, what

11:19

is this? Cause here's the thing, maybe they don't believe

11:21

in the rapture. Some of them, there

11:23

are differing beliefs about the

11:25

end times where it's like, some people are, they call it pre-trib

11:28

or post-trib. Pre-trib means you

11:30

get raptured before the bad shit happens. Post-trib

11:33

means you get raptured, but you had to live through

11:36

all the bad shit. And then mid-trib

11:38

is that you have to live through part of the bad shit, but then

11:40

you get raptured. And a lot

11:42

of this prepper stuff is like

11:44

post-trib, because it's like,

11:47

this is the stuff you need to live through the bad

11:49

shit. And I'm like, if there's a war

11:52

between demons and God

11:54

on earth, like

11:56

a terrestrial war between demons

11:59

and God,

11:59

Nothing at this convention will save

12:02

you. Like, it'd be better off

12:04

to die at that point, I would think.

12:06

Yeah. Like, if that, in real

12:08

world, happens, you better pray that the pure

12:11

aliens, our pure alien brethren

12:13

who are sinless, come to save

12:15

us. Because that's your

12:16

only hope. Yeah, the ones

12:18

that we learned about in New Mexico.

12:22

I do love the thought though, that there is like

12:24

an after pay option for getting

12:27

raptured and surviving

12:29

the tribulations of the

12:32

devil and the fight with God. I

12:35

also love the idea of somebody

12:37

showing up to this prepare

12:40

the people convention. And like,

12:43

being a conspiracy theorist, like, well,

12:45

I'm preparing for when North

12:48

Korea launches their nukes and we

12:50

all fucking die, but you guys sound ludicrous

12:53

with your stupid devil stuff.

12:55

Well, and that's my thing is I'm like, if

12:57

you go to a convention like this and you're like, here

13:00

are things that you could have that would prepare you

13:02

for COVID part two, then I'll

13:04

listen to you. Cause I'm like, yeah, I

13:06

was trapped in my apartment for three

13:08

years.

13:09

What would make that better, you know, or whatever.

13:12

Like, or things like, you know, when

13:14

there was that ice storm in Austin,

13:16

where it's like, hey, here's a kit of

13:18

things you need for that. That

13:20

makes all the sense in the world to me. Like,

13:23

prepping for global warming, prepping for

13:25

another pandemic,

13:26

all of those things make sense. Prepping

13:29

for fire from the skies.

13:32

What are you gonna do? Like

13:34

my sister's favorite bad

13:37

improv suggestion for like a natural

13:39

disaster is wind with glass. And I'm like,

13:41

yeah, how do you prepare for wind with glass?

13:44

Like just, what are you doing? Like

13:46

these are things you can't prepare for.

13:48

I present to you the steel

13:50

umbrella. All right. Now

13:53

here, I'm gonna start with the downside. You're

13:56

really gonna have to boost up your arm

13:58

day a lot.

13:59

fucking heavy as shit.

14:05

A little peek inside our our post

14:07

covid home. We bought

14:09

a

14:10

we didn't realize what the sizing was

14:12

on cans and we were buying a lot of our food

14:15

from like restaurant supplies because that was my like

14:17

sneak around to get stuff that you

14:19

couldn't get at grocery stores and we

14:22

ended up with a giant can

14:24

of tomato sauce. And I mean giant.

14:27

So now we just put a little plaque on it

14:29

that just said like covid 2020 and

14:32

we haven't opened it. We

14:34

just leave it but it's literally the

14:37

weight

14:37

of a bowling ball. Jesus

14:39

Christ. It's so massive.

14:42

I think we need to turn it into a lamp or something.

14:45

Absolutely. I mean, yeah, you bought

14:47

yourself enough tomato sauce to feed two

14:49

and a half Italians that could last

14:52

a normal family forever. A normal family

14:53

forever. Yeah.

14:55

Anyway, so preparing a people that's where

14:57

this starts now since the murders

15:00

color my media who is the event

15:03

planning company associated with preparing

15:05

a people has

15:06

really like tried

15:08

to distance themselves and

15:11

they're like it was just a lecture series. We just

15:14

helped book the lectures were not involved

15:16

with anything and

15:19

they've released a statement saying quote.

15:22

We also do not share any of Chad Daybell's

15:25

or Lori Valos beliefs if they are contrary

15:27

to Christian principles of honesty integrity

15:29

and truth or if they do not align

15:32

with the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day

15:34

Saints, which is end

15:36

quote a handy loophole

15:38

of saying we disagree with

15:40

it if you disagree. Okay,

15:45

it's basically like we definitely don't believe

15:47

what they believe if whatever they believe

15:50

is different than what Mormons believe. It's

15:53

like

15:54

right, right, right, right, right, right. Okay.

15:57

Okay. I also love the idea

15:59

of it like.

15:59

they're apologizing because

16:02

people found out that

16:04

they met at this convention.

16:07

And that's a- Yeah, it doesn't continue

16:09

to be a thing. It's just where they met. Yeah,

16:11

that's like Tinder fucking issuing

16:14

a public apology for every toxic

16:16

relationship that's ever happened. We

16:19

don't agree with this, unless

16:21

of course Mormons agree with this, in which case-

16:24

In which case- In which case we do not. We don't

16:26

agree with guys talking to multiple

16:28

girls at one time except for

16:30

those who believe in the fundamentalist Mormon police

16:32

of plural marriage. Yeah,

16:37

Mormonism is just sanctified fuckboyism. You're

16:41

allowed to do it. It's just

16:43

God's Tinder. Fuck

16:45

me. Oh,

16:48

cool, cool, okay. I'm about to

16:51

speed. Anyway,

16:53

so it was at the October 2018 preparing

16:57

a people conference in Rexburg, Idaho,

17:00

where Chad and Lori met for the first time.

17:02

You might remember from the episode on Chad that

17:04

they have the preparing a people conference,

17:07

a bunch of different places, and they had had it specifically

17:09

in Rexburg to have Chad and all

17:11

of the authors on his roster

17:13

at the convention lecturing. Now

17:15

they do in the Netflix documentary,

17:18

interview one of the other authors on the

17:20

roster. And it's one of my favorite

17:22

parts of the documentary because

17:24

they present her as a character witness.

17:27

And so you expect her to be someone

17:29

that's gonna be like,

17:30

yeah, I knew Chad was cheating on his wife and everything

17:33

was bad and that's when I got out. That's

17:35

what you're expecting. That's what they set it up as. But

17:38

she starts out that way and is just like,

17:40

also I am a prophet and I have lived a lot of

17:42

past lives and we have all lived a lot of past

17:44

lives. And that's why I kind of trusted

17:47

Chad because he had also lived past lives. And

17:49

I was really on board with how he handled

17:51

and quantified the past lives. And I was like, oh

17:54

no. This

17:57

interview went sideways.

17:59

immediately. I

18:04

agree with what you're saying. I just, sorry,

18:06

I was doing a little bit of my own personal

18:08

research on preparing a people. I

18:11

was, if I'm being completely honest,

18:14

I was planning on doing a bit of telling

18:16

you the other lineup people on

18:18

there, because I wanted to see like,

18:20

surviving hellfire 101. Jar

18:25

of clay, you know, like I wanted to see. Jar of

18:28

clay. I wanna

18:29

do it. In the quad at lunch.

18:32

Yeah, dude, POD's coming

18:34

through. If I can't swim after 40

18:36

days, and you're just like, man, this really slaps

18:39

at a doomsday convention. Oh,

18:42

fuck, man. Yeah, like I feel like that,

18:44

I wanted to find that. But

18:46

instead I found a series of

18:48

Mormon websites about

18:53

just Mormon stuff, like fair, faithful

18:56

answers, informed response. And

18:59

it is all about preparing a people. And

19:02

the more I started reading about it, I was like, this doesn't

19:04

necessarily seem very positive. And

19:06

then I got to the part about how this

19:09

is all the things that

19:10

preparing a people's do that

19:12

violates the church teachings. This

19:15

is their inappropriate focus on dreams

19:17

and visions, which honestly, Mormonism,

19:20

I don't think you have a leg to stand up to. Hey,

19:22

guys, you can't really throw stones from

19:24

that glass Joseph Smith out of yours.

19:27

Yeah, that seems a little bit, I

19:30

don't know about that one. Anyway, yeah. That's

19:32

like me being like, vampires drink blood,

19:34

gross. Wait, what? Yeah,

19:38

look, when we have communion, it's a metaphor.

19:40

But if you guys want to pretend to drink blood, you're

19:44

the crazy ones. I thought

19:46

you were admitting that you fucking drink

19:48

blood. No, no, no.

19:52

Okay, yeah, yeah,

19:54

yeah, yeah, okay. That's

19:56

crazy. Okay, and also for reference, just

19:59

take that.

19:59

the top information about

20:02

preparing a people, a

20:05

convention that seemingly still goes on

20:07

to this day. It does, it does indeed.

20:09

Most of the top Google results are

20:12

other Mormon websites being like,

20:14

this is all a fucking load of shit,

20:16

so cool.

20:18

Yeah,

20:20

yeah, well, and here's the thing, anytime

20:22

you touch anything like that around

20:26

Mormonism, because there's a lot of like,

20:28

the Mormon church is huge, right? And

20:31

so there's a lot of offshoots of LDS

20:33

stuff that turned bad. Like

20:35

there's a lot of like self-improvement seminars

20:38

that turned dark. We, I'll

20:40

address it here, because it's been fucking forever

20:43

long. Episode 18, which

20:45

is one of the last episodes was on Children of Thunder

20:47

and centered around life

20:50

spring. And part of the reason we had to take it down

20:52

is because episode 17 was

20:55

about a group that shall

20:57

not be named that maybe rhymes with Landshark

21:00

Quorum that links

21:02

to life spring in their history.

21:05

And so that's why those episodes had to come down. Eventually

21:08

I will redo Children of Thunder, because I think

21:10

we can do it without angering the

21:12

sharks. But

21:15

that's another one where it's like, if you start Googling

21:18

the organization

21:20

that the guy from Children of Thunder was in,

21:22

there's

21:22

a lot of Mormon websites of like, beware

21:25

this organization, do not join. And

21:29

it's the same kind of thing. It's like they realize something

21:31

goes wrong and they try to warn everybody, but it's pretty pervasive

21:33

in the community because they all kind

21:36

of talk and it just spreads.

21:38

It's kind of like way back in the day,

21:41

when we had my parents on for the last time, not

21:44

like we'll never have the money, just the last time we had

21:46

them on. They talked about how

21:49

MLMs were huge in the church in the

21:51

90s

21:52

when, and they got invited to a

21:54

ton of MLM meetings and things like that.

21:57

And it was just pervasive in the

21:59

church. same thing now with like doTERRA

22:02

oils and shit. Like any time

22:04

you have a community that's easily

22:06

accessible,

22:07

that kind of shit happens. And I think that's the same thing

22:09

with preparing a people here. So, yeah.

22:13

Yeah. Anyway,

22:15

they meet at the October 2018 preparing

22:18

a people conference. Now, if

22:20

you'll remember from our last couple of episodes, they were

22:22

both in weird spots in their lives. Just to recap

22:24

for Chad, his self-publishing

22:27

empire had published at this point 51 of

22:29

his own personal doomsday fiction books that

22:32

Laurie had been reading obsessively. But

22:34

it was a colossal financial failure

22:37

because it literally only sold

22:39

to basically the preparing a people people.

22:42

So

22:43

he's like a comic who decides to exclusively

22:45

play all right. And he basically has

22:47

to always do these conventions. That's where he sells the

22:50

bulk of his books. Now, I see.

22:52

So you mean comedians that move to Austin,

22:54

Texas?

22:55

Yeah, it does happen

22:57

to some of them. I was thinking more of like the Owen Benjamin

23:00

types. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

23:02

Yeah. Although there is, I won't say names,

23:04

but there is a comedian that you and at least I

23:07

knew I assume you probably also ran into

23:09

her in L.A. a little bit as well that

23:11

moved to Austin and is now in deep

23:13

with Alex Jones and ends up on InfoWars

23:15

and shit sometimes.

23:16

Yeah. Good

23:19

night. I

23:21

have some wild drunk stories about

23:23

her, too. And I'm just like homegirl.

23:26

You really got to calm down

23:28

because people know weird shit about you.

23:30

And all they have to do is like write a

23:33

blog post.

23:35

Yeah, Jesus Christ. They

23:37

haven't thought about that so long. Crazy.

23:41

Yeah. Oh, nuts. Anyway.

23:44

For Laurie, she and her family had

23:46

moved back to the mainland from Kauai

23:49

where she had become increasingly interested in Chad's

23:51

books and increasingly dissatisfied

23:54

in her marriage, thinking that Charles, her husband

23:56

was not her spiritual equal, but also

23:59

she was.

23:59

promoting her own podcast

24:02

where she talked about the vision she was being sent

24:04

from the angels.

24:07

Now,

24:08

another element of what's happening in

24:11

Chad's life is that

24:14

he had asked the convention to come to Rexburg in

24:17

part because his new book

24:19

and his new set of beliefs was centered

24:21

around Rexburg where he now

24:24

was not preaching, but anytime he

24:26

gave lectures, he was talking about his vision

24:28

of a giant earthquake that would devastate

24:31

the earth

24:32

and leave Rexburg as the

24:34

head of the church and the Lord would

24:37

provide invisible bubble shields

24:39

over the city. What?

24:43

I mean, his yeah, and he would

24:45

then lead from Rexburg

24:48

as his like headquarters. Is there are

24:50

there other stories in the Bible

24:52

of God fucking with force fields? Cause

24:54

that seems

24:55

that would be awesome. Yeah. I

24:57

mean, like, well, actually that's not true. They're, they're kind

25:00

of, there are stories in the Old Testament of like

25:02

God prevented people from hurting other

25:04

people and there's not necessarily descriptions of how

25:07

so maybe force

25:08

fields. Um, all right. I think

25:10

that would be way cooler if they were just like,

25:12

spoiler, it's a fucking force field, you

25:15

know, or whatever.

25:16

But I think what's crazy is that you could almost

25:18

explain every single miracle that

25:20

happens in the Bible with some form of force

25:22

field. Jesus had a personal force

25:25

field. That's how he was able to walk on water. Moses had

25:27

the force field to split the fucking. There

25:29

you go. There you go. Yeah. It's all

25:31

force fields. It all makes all force. Now

25:35

biblical force field, get into it. That's

25:37

fucking you can

25:39

see us at preparing a people 2023. This

25:43

October, we will be premiering our

25:46

personal force field. It's

25:48

a baseball bat.

25:52

Anyway, uh, for Lori,

25:55

her visions were about to get even stronger because

25:58

remember her third husband who have.

25:59

abused her kids while he suddenly

26:02

drops dead of a heart attack right

26:04

around the same time. In fact, weeks before

26:06

she goes to preparing a people. Now,

26:09

since

26:10

the current case, they did reopen

26:12

his case because, you know,

26:15

but ultimately they concluded that he had died

26:17

of natural causes. But

26:19

this plays exactly into Lori's beliefs.

26:22

If you remember, this is the guy that her

26:24

brother tased in the balls after.

26:27

That couldn't have helped his heart, I'm sure.

26:30

But essentially at this point,

26:32

Lori's had these visions. This guy drops

26:35

dead. It's something she's been praying for for

26:37

years. So in her mind,

26:39

God literally struck down the man who

26:42

hurt her family, just like smote.

26:45

So this renews her faith and

26:47

her faith specifically in her own

26:50

visions and prayer. And it's with that

26:52

basis that she goes to the preparing of people

26:55

conference. She's like, my visions

26:57

are right. These books are correct,

26:59

like their scripture. I'm going to preparing people. Now,

27:02

there's two different versions of

27:05

her and Chad's meet cute. So

27:07

the first one, the Netflix version

27:09

is that she just encounters him at the conference,

27:12

walks up to his table. That's where they meet.

27:15

And that's how she gets involved in his books. That is

27:17

not remotely comprehensive

27:19

of what actually happened. Because according

27:21

to a number of other sources, during

27:24

the conference, not only does she go

27:26

to his lecture, talk to him about his books, which

27:28

she has already been reading. We know she was reading them

27:30

as early as 2017. But she

27:32

is also invited to podcast along

27:35

with him, where they both talk

27:37

specifically about their visions. And

27:39

in that podcast, he actually shares that he's

27:42

had a vision of his wife's future

27:44

death. Now, this is something that he actually

27:46

brings up a couple other times with a couple other people

27:49

throughout history. It does eventually end up in the

27:51

documentary when we talk to one of his

27:53

other authors, the lady with the past lives.

27:56

Does he ever bring it up

27:59

to his fucking. in wife, does

28:01

she know? I imagine she must have

28:03

known because there's no way,

28:06

like so many people heard it

28:08

that like, now granted this podcast

28:10

episode has been like wiped from the internet.

28:12

Sure, yeah, understandably.

28:14

As soon as those kids went missing, they were just like,

28:17

oh no, pulled it down. To

28:20

be fair, it's not what you think, it's because they actually

28:22

had to do a make good on a HelloFresh ad read.

28:24

Right, right, right, right, yeah, we gotta pull it down.

28:29

I like the idea that instead of HelloFresh,

28:31

they're just doing the Alex

28:34

Jones protein powder,

28:36

and that's what they're doing ads for. They're

28:38

like,

28:39

hey, is the world ending?

28:41

Do you have buckets of potato salad, but it just

28:44

doesn't have that right kick? Like

28:46

whatever. Tactical

28:48

powder. This episode

28:51

of course is brought to you by Steel Umbrella,

28:53

Steel Umbrella. It

28:56

hurts to hold.

29:00

Now, while

29:02

there is not

29:04

audio of that podcast still, it did

29:06

stay up long enough for some reporters and

29:08

stuff to listen to it and get a handle

29:10

of what happened. But also there's video

29:13

of footage from that conference,

29:15

where again, Chad is the least compelling speaker

29:18

ever.

29:18

But also, he's wearing

29:21

a short sleeved button up

29:23

shirt that just doesn't fit him

29:25

well, so the sleeves are like three quarter

29:28

sleeves, and it's the strangest

29:30

thing I've ever seen. I'm just like,

29:32

what even is this? But

29:34

a huge portion of his

29:37

presentation during this

29:39

conference, he compares himself to Woody

29:41

Harrelson in the movie 2012,

29:44

and he's like, everyone thought he was crazy,

29:46

but he was right, right? And I'm

29:48

like, what? No, that's

29:51

a role in a movie? And also, he

29:53

fully wasn't right. 2012 didn't happen. Like,

29:57

what is your point? What are

29:59

you? I guess I get

30:02

the idea that in the movie,

30:03

everyone

30:08

thought the character that Woody Harrelson

30:10

played was crazy. And in the

30:13

movie, a made up story

30:15

that did not happen, Woody

30:17

Harrelson's character was correct.

30:19

I don't necessarily think

30:21

that, yeah, I think that's insane. Also,

30:24

this is the first time that I have looked up

30:27

Chad Daybell. Not

30:30

at all what I was expecting.

30:33

Really? What were you expecting instead?

30:35

If I'm being completely honest with you, do

30:37

you know the actor who played Huey

30:40

in The Boys?

30:42

No, I don't watch The Boys. Not

30:45

for any specific reason, I just haven't gotten around

30:47

to it. Oh, holy shit,

30:49

okay. I didn't realize

30:51

this when I started talking, but

30:54

I was talking about Jack Quaid, son

30:56

of Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan.

30:59

Oh shit, hold on. Yeah,

31:03

Jack Quaid is who I thought that

31:05

Chad Daybell would look like. Well, but

31:08

okay, okay. And I think you see what

31:10

I'm saying is, if I was casting a

31:12

movie of

31:15

who would play a young Chad Daybell,

31:17

and obviously, Woody Harrelson

31:20

is not available to do it, I

31:23

would get Jack Quaid.

31:24

I actually know what Chad Daybell looks like. I've

31:27

looked at him a lot, unfortunately. I would cast

31:29

David Keckner. Oh fuck,

31:31

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

31:33

yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got hella,

31:35

like if David Keckner was boring,

31:38

Chad Daybell. Yeah, David

31:40

Keckner is, if you're

31:42

unfamiliar, is the guy from Anchorman.

31:46

And he was Todd Packer

31:48

in The Office.

31:49

Yes, yes. I was trying

31:51

to think of his name. He was in like the trucker

31:54

and something, I don't remember who it

31:56

was, but. Yeah, he's the bald,

31:58

funny, rude guy.

31:59

in, uh, he's like, he's

32:02

a, oh, this sucks because

32:04

I'm sure that him as a person is completely

32:07

great. I'm talking about the character type. He

32:09

only heard nice things. Yeah, exactly.

32:11

Yeah. I'm only talking about the character type.

32:14

He's like a less likable Danny

32:16

McBride. That is the character he

32:18

plays in everything.

32:19

True. But also Danny

32:22

McBride, I think is more aggressive

32:24

because Danny McBride will be like,

32:26

shut your hole. And you're just like, Oh,

32:30

I want to shave your pussy so

32:32

I can surf faster. Jesse.

32:36

Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry.

32:38

I just, uh, so Chad

32:41

Daybell is the, the,

32:44

well, he's the fucking king of

32:46

the preparing the people conference.

32:49

Um, and his number one fan,

32:52

uh, goes to all of his lectures, gets

32:54

the podcast with him. And

32:57

that's kind of how they meet. Do you think that they

32:59

had any kind of relationship beforehand

33:02

in terms of like, do you think they like exchanged

33:05

words online or anything?

33:07

I think they, I personally think

33:09

yes, probably. Um, speculation

33:12

zone, speculation zone. A lot

33:15

of the

33:15

trouble with a lot of this is finding out

33:17

information around this time. You're really stuck

33:20

with like

33:20

interviews from friends and family and none

33:23

of them want to say anything bad about these people. And

33:25

I'm just like, you need, like you

33:27

suspected something like you definitely did.

33:30

But they're always interviewing

33:32

like her mom who's like, I've never

33:34

even heard the name Chad Daybell. And I'm

33:37

just like, lady, she's

33:39

going to prison. Like just say,

33:41

just tell the truth. Like what are we doing? Um,

33:44

I think they must have talked

33:46

before, but I think I don't know that

33:49

it was romantic

33:50

ahead of time. I think

33:52

they maybe had some talk

33:55

in circles because this is a very small

33:57

circle. Like the reality is if you were in.

33:59

like a Chad Day Bell fan club, it's probably

34:02

smaller than the cult podcast Facebook

34:04

group and the idea that like

34:07

I would talk to somebody in the Facebook group

34:09

and then run into them at a live show or something

34:11

is very real. And so like

34:13

I could absolutely see that happening. But

34:16

it's after they meet that things really

34:18

kind of take off because they start talking

34:21

all the time. And

34:23

according to interviews, he tells

34:25

her that they have been married in all

34:28

of their past lives. And not

34:30

only that, but they've been sealed together for

34:32

eternity, which is that extra LDS

34:34

temple ceremony

34:35

of sealing. Yeah.

34:37

So that they are married in

34:39

the planets like the whole thing. It's

34:42

imprinting for werewolves. Right.

34:44

Right. Right. But for the Mormon Church.

34:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's Jacob. She's Renesmee

34:49

together forever. And

34:51

he's creepy. He says that

34:54

a voice had guided them together

34:56

like an internal voice. They have

34:59

in the documentary some of their texts

35:01

back and forth. OK. And allegedly

35:04

at this point,

35:05

a lot of her friends are like, then

35:07

she totally changed. I see no

35:10

change here. I'm like homegirl

35:12

had been talking to angels for years.

35:14

And y'all are like, this is where it got weird.

35:18

Like, no, it was weird for

35:20

a long time and no one did

35:22

anything. And I'm not blaming people,

35:25

but I'm just saying you can't just say

35:27

she met Chad and everything changed or he met

35:30

Laurie and everything changed. It's unfortunate

35:32

that they met, but there were bad things

35:34

happening before.

35:35

But the more

35:37

that they talked, it becomes

35:40

kind of a feedback loop of their delusions,

35:43

right? Because they both have similar

35:45

delusions of talking to,

35:47

you know, supreme beings, that they are spiritually

35:50

elevated, that they know better than everyone

35:52

else. And no one around them

35:54

is

35:55

calling them on it. Yet.

35:59

Because. Because there were plenty of

36:01

times beforehand to be like,

36:03

Hey, we maybe need

36:06

to, this is you're not talking

36:08

to angels like this is, this is

36:10

upsetting. This is not the norm.

36:12

This is, we should talk to someone

36:15

and see what might be influencing this on

36:17

both ends. Right? So

36:19

now they have each other, which means

36:23

anytime any of them says anything

36:25

to their outside world where they're like, well, the angels told

36:27

me this. And the outside world is like, um,

36:30

what

36:31

they can go to each other and be like, well, the angels

36:33

told me this. And the other person will go, well, of course they

36:35

did because they also told me this. And

36:38

it just makes it worse for both

36:40

of them. Now it's at this point,

36:43

we do have to question

36:45

how much of this is

36:48

mental illness,

36:49

which I would say that there are things

36:51

to suggest that for

36:53

both of them prior to this. We've

36:56

covered it on this episode.

36:57

That's definitely in play. I don't

36:59

think we can discount it at all

37:01

versus what of this

37:04

is manipulation and

37:05

criminal activity because

37:07

there will be a number of things that they do

37:10

that you cannot just write off

37:12

as mental illness. Like maybe

37:15

that starts as the motivating factor, but they

37:17

make active and planned choices

37:19

and planned crimes that

37:22

you can't ignore. So at a certain

37:24

point,

37:25

you can't write all of it off as like,

37:27

this is, these are two very mentally ill people

37:29

making it worse for each

37:31

other. No, they start to plan

37:33

actual crimes and we'll get into it. This

37:36

first one is Charles

37:38

Laurie's husband. So Laurie,

37:42

according to her, came

37:44

to believe that her husband was already

37:47

dead and being puppeted by

37:49

a demon. That is a clear delusion,

37:52

right? She truly believes

37:54

that. That is a delusion

37:56

that is not good.

37:58

It's not okay to think. I think that

38:00

about your husband. It is okay to think that about

38:02

Paul McCartney, but not your husband.

38:05

But not your husband. Why

38:07

specifically Paul? Just because he's

38:09

been dead ever since before that Abbey Road episode?

38:12

Oh, absolutely 100%.

38:13

Yeah, Paul's been dead this whole time,

38:15

and he's been puppeted by the demons that live within.

38:18

And they've put out some decent albums. But

38:21

that's why they called it Wings. Oh my God,

38:23

the demon wings. Oh my God. Anyway.

38:26

And that's why he worked with Kanye. Kanye

38:29

didn't actually have all those awful opinions that

38:31

he's had for years. He's dead

38:33

and being puppeted by demons. But

38:35

he's being puppeted by Paul McCartney. That's

38:38

it. Well, in

38:40

her belief system, she believed the demon would

38:42

die, and then Charles

38:46

would die and she could be with Chad.

38:49

So like, that's kind of what she believed. Now

38:51

she believed this demon had a name.

38:54

This is the craziest part of this belief system

38:56

for me. And trust me, there's a lot of crazy. But like,

38:59

they believe, they named the demons

39:01

that are inhabiting their loved ones,

39:04

but they give them normal ass names. So

39:06

this demon is Ned Snyder. Sometimes

39:08

they refer to him as Nick Snyder, Ned

39:11

Snyder. And later there's a

39:13

demon named Viola. And I'm just like,

39:15

you're naming demons and you're not gonna

39:18

be like Asrogoth or like

39:20

Asmodeus. Like nothing.

39:23

No, Ned.

39:25

Ned. Holy shit.

39:28

Paige, I gotta hold on. I

39:30

gotta show this to you. I just did

39:32

a quick Google search for Ned

39:35

Snyder,

39:37

because I

39:39

needed to see if there was some real life Ned

39:41

Snyder's in the world. I'm sure there are.

39:43

This is Ned Snyder. That is a demon.

39:46

That is demon Ned Snyder. Plastic

39:49

surgeon extraordinaire of Austin, Texas.

39:52

Oh, horrifying.

39:55

He looks like a character in a TV show.

39:57

He looks like if Pee Wee Herman wore...

40:00

a Lucius Malfoy wig. And

40:02

then the island's, oh no! That

40:06

is the deadest stare I've ever seen. Ned

40:09

Snyder, you poor son of a bitch.

40:12

You've just been cult-podcasted. I'm

40:14

so sorry, Ned. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry

40:16

they slandered your name. But also, why

40:18

were you in Charles Fallon?

40:21

Oh my god. Dude, look at this guy. Hold on. This

40:24

is the last one I promised, but boom. Look at

40:26

this guy. Oh, her hair is great though.

40:30

Pee Wee Herman and a

40:32

Lucius Malfoy wig is the perfect

40:35

description of the person that we're talking about. Yeah,

40:37

we're...

40:38

Be like,

40:41

I think I need a nose job. I know you do,

40:43

but what am I?

40:46

Free picture of this guy

40:49

is so fucking crazy. Holy shit.

40:52

Oh god, is there a worse one? No,

40:54

they're just all like... All Pee Wee Herman

40:56

and a Lucius Malfoy wig? Yeah, hold on.

40:59

Boom, let me show you this one.

41:01

Oh

41:05

no! There's just like... This

41:07

poor man. Even the ones that are slightly better. Oh, that

41:09

looks better. That definitely looks better. But he

41:11

still looks like a fucking supervillain.

41:14

It looks like Pee Wee Herman if he was in American

41:16

Psycho. Yeah, I

41:18

guess what's weird is that what we're seeing

41:20

is eventually he starts to go gray

41:23

and then I think he's dying his hair

41:25

to go all white

41:26

or blonde. You think so or just letting it go all

41:28

white. Here's the thing, I feel like sometimes

41:30

when people let it go all white it looks good.

41:33

Like, it's a good, like, striking

41:35

look.

41:36

But it's the length that's the problem

41:38

for me. If it, like... Yeah. Because

41:41

that slicked back one, I'm like, okay, yeah,

41:43

sure, all right. But it's the...

41:45

It's the, like...

41:47

Oh man. The fact

41:49

that he gave himself a mullet by... Not

41:51

by design, but through male pattern

41:54

baldness has given himself

41:56

a mullet.

41:56

He looks... He has the haircut

41:58

that Gavin Rossdale had for all of this. of his years

42:00

in Bush, like, and I mean

42:02

that. But then why like

42:05

Lucius Malfoy? It's like business

42:07

Malfoy. Yeah, business

42:09

in the front. Death in the back. Holy

42:15

shit. That is the by the way, that

42:17

sentence encapsulates all of the information

42:20

I know about Harry Potter. Anyway,

42:25

at this point, Laurie starts

42:27

acting erratically. And so Colby,

42:30

her oldest son, reaches out

42:32

to her. She tells him

42:35

Charles is cheating. I caught him

42:37

and I am going to do

42:39

something about it. So Colby is

42:41

like, what? So he calls Charles

42:44

and Charles is like, yo, I'm

42:47

not cheating on her. Your mom's

42:50

not well mentally.

42:53

And I am concerned that she will

42:55

hurt herself or others. Now, unfortunately.

43:00

Colby didn't believe him at the time

43:02

and Charles

43:03

desperate to get someone to believe

43:05

him, because Colby thinks that he's like lying

43:08

to cover the fact that he has cheated on his mom,

43:10

which is understandable, I would say. But

43:13

then Charles sends an email to the entire family

43:15

that's like,

43:16

hey, Laurie is not

43:18

well

43:19

mentally. Here are the things that she has said.

43:22

Here are the things that I have found. Here's

43:24

what I think is going on. Here's who

43:26

I think she's talking to and why. And

43:30

literally sends it to the entire family

43:32

to be like,

43:33

hey. Warning.

43:35

And the entire family

43:38

is like,

43:39

look, you cheated on her. I

43:42

don't want to be involved in your drama. As

43:44

far as we know, he did not cheat on her. This

43:46

is just this is her spoiling

43:48

the pot. So she then texts everyone

43:51

is like,

43:51

don't listen to him.

43:54

He's he's lying. He's trying

43:56

to make you think I'm crazy now.

44:00

At this point, there

44:02

are years of previous

44:05

interactions where they know she thinks

44:07

she talks to angels. She thinks

44:09

she has all these other delusions. There

44:12

have been issues with multiple people in

44:14

the past regarding her delusions

44:17

and no one believes this guy, even though

44:19

he's like, here are her specific delusions.

44:22

She thinks she's a superior being. She

44:24

has threatened me and no

44:26

one listens to him. Unfortunately.

44:29

Now, and it's even worse because as soon

44:32

as she was like, he sent that email,

44:34

Lori Valo went to her family and was like,

44:37

that sounds like some demon ass behavior.

44:39

Am I right? Yeah, she's like,

44:41

it sounds like maybe he was cheating

44:43

on me and like all this stuff. So they believe

44:45

her. They don't believe him.

44:48

Except for one of her brothers, her brother, Adam

44:51

does believe him. And

44:53

so Adam continues to talk to him while he's talking

44:56

to the family because Adam doesn't like a hundred

44:58

percent

44:59

believe me. He's like, maybe he did cheat on her. I don't

45:01

know, but I also know my sister and

45:03

I know that she thinks she talks to angels and

45:06

stuff. So the reality that these

45:08

delusions might be actual

45:10

like that

45:11

could be real.

45:13

Right? So while he sent when

45:16

Charles sent this email, he was on a business trip. Lori

45:18

cancels his flight home and moves

45:20

his truck from the airport parking lot and moves him

45:23

out of the house.

45:24

Like while he's gone. Can

45:27

you do that? Can you know, can you? Well,

45:30

legally, I know you can't, but I'm saying like,

45:32

can, is there, can you cancel

45:35

someone else's flight?

45:36

So we'll, we'll get into

45:38

it. Lori had access

45:41

to his email and a few other things

45:43

to enable her to not

45:46

only cancel and

45:48

access a lot of his things, but to

45:50

pretend she was him.

45:53

Oh, I'm an idiot.

45:55

Of course it was fraud. Yeah.

45:58

Yeah. Yeah.

45:59

would I not think that the person that

46:02

murdered people would commit fraud

46:04

also? Yeah,

46:06

so he arrives back from

46:08

his trip

46:09

and calls the police. And

46:12

there is body cam footage of

46:14

this interaction. And

46:16

he says, I can't get in touch with my kids.

46:19

I can't get in touch with her. My stuff is all

46:21

gone. My truck is gone.

46:23

Everything's gone.

46:24

And this is what she believes. She believes

46:27

she's an elevated spiritual being. And you can watch

46:29

him on the body cam footage, be like,

46:31

here's what it is. We're LDS. This

46:33

is what she believes. She believes that she's part

46:36

of the 144,000 and that Jesus

46:38

is coming next year. She's threatened to kill

46:40

me and others. And

46:43

she said to me, I will kill you because

46:45

you're not Charles, you're Nick Snyder,

46:47

and no one will even care. And the cops are like, who

46:50

is Nick Snyder? Because she alternates between Nick and Ned.

46:53

They're like, who is Nick Snyder? And he's like, I don't even

46:55

fucking know. I have no idea.

46:57

But she literally has a body snatchers

47:00

delusion and she's threatening me

47:02

over it. And so I would like to have

47:04

her mandatorily committed.

47:07

Right? They can't find her. She is gone.

47:09

She spent the night in a hotel that night. We will find out.

47:13

But what they tell him

47:15

is that because he was not home and she was

47:17

in care of the children at home,

47:20

she can legally move the kids

47:22

if she thinks it's the right thing to do. No

47:25

one can stop her from doing that, which

47:28

technically they are still married and

47:31

they have joint custody. So it's

47:34

murky, right?

47:36

So the next day, JJ has school.

47:38

So he shows up at JJ's school and calls the

47:40

cops and is like, I found her.

47:42

Here's where everything is. He takes

47:45

her purse. She drives off.

47:47

It becomes this whole thing. The cops finally track

47:49

her down and bring her in. And there's interview

47:51

video of this. And she's like laughing

47:54

about it. And it's just like, why would I ever say

47:56

I was gonna kill it? Like, oh my God, somebody

47:58

different in his body. What?

47:59

even is that

48:01

and Tylee, the oldest daughter, is

48:03

there with her silent.

48:06

And she's just like laughing. She's like, it'd

48:08

be great if I get my lip gloss back. Like, you

48:10

know, I just want my purse back. Like madness.

48:14

And the police

48:15

let her go.

48:18

They tell her, they're like, hey,

48:20

if you are willing to basically

48:22

voluntarily go in for a psych

48:25

exam and answer

48:27

these phone calls that we've been trying to

48:29

reach you, you can go. And

48:31

as she agrees to it, Tylee

48:34

just says one thing, the entire interview just

48:36

goes, you're going to get a padded room.

48:38

And I

48:41

was like, oh, yeah,

48:44

that's the only thing she says in the entire video.

48:46

So they leave and Lori does voluntarily

48:49

go get allegedly

48:52

goes and gets a mental health evaluation. Now,

48:54

this is the part for me where I have

48:56

questions about

48:58

what is mental illness and what

49:01

is criminal activity, like truly

49:03

premeditated, because she is

49:05

immediately released

49:07

from that evaluation.

49:09

They do not commit her.

49:11

They do not keep her, which to me

49:13

suggests at minimum, she is

49:15

lying about

49:16

her delusions to that mental

49:18

health professional. Now, that doesn't mean she's not

49:20

having them. That could mean that she has

49:23

discovered that lying about them will

49:25

get her out and she's

49:27

just thinking of it that way. Or the

49:29

delusions were just a cover for

49:31

her to kill her husband, which is kind of what's

49:34

been argued in court. I don't know

49:36

that I 100% believe that. I think it's somewhere in

49:38

the middle. Anyway,

49:40

I have a weird question that

49:43

I am trying to, I'm

49:45

coming at this from a place of genuine

49:48

curiosity because I don't know when,

49:50

if you have the

49:53

understanding that

49:56

if, like, if you know enough that

49:58

you should lie. about

50:00

these delusions, is that not

50:03

like prove that you are

50:06

at least competent enough to

50:08

understand that they're wrong?

50:10

That, well, that's what they ruled

50:12

in court, essentially, is that she was competent

50:15

to stand trial because she knew to lie about

50:17

them. But I think for me, that

50:19

doesn't necessarily mean that she knows

50:21

the delusions are wrong as much as she knows that

50:24

other people won't believe her. Okay.

50:26

So like, and I think there's a, now

50:29

I'm not saying she wasn't competent to stand trial.

50:31

Like I understand that ruling. I understand

50:34

why they made that choice.

50:36

I have more questions

50:38

about

50:39

her mental health that I can't answer,

50:41

because I'm not a professional, obviously.

50:43

Sure, sure. But you have done a lot of research.

50:45

A lot of research.

50:49

But I think given

50:51

her history, there's

50:53

definitely mental health issues at play, especially

50:57

because in her sentencing after

50:59

her trial,

51:01

she was allowed to give a statement. And we'll

51:04

cover this more next week.

51:05

She does not back down from any

51:08

of it. Nothing. No remorse,

51:10

nothing. Like she's like, they were zombies,

51:13

they had to die. We'll get into it in a second.

51:16

But yeah, so she, either

51:20

she's just like the double down queen

51:22

of the South, or she like, she

51:25

believes it. So yeah, I don't

51:28

know. After she's released, she

51:31

and Charles begin the separation process

51:35

where they've not filed for divorce yet, but they are separated.

51:38

And Tylee was very upset about it, but

51:40

Charles decides that he's gonna stay in

51:42

Houston and he'll come to Arizona

51:44

to see JJ periodically, because

51:47

JJ was his sister's son that

51:49

they,

51:50

had

51:53

adopted. Meanwhile,

51:55

he's talking to Adam Cox, who

51:58

is Laurie's brother and his.

51:59

is the one that's kind of in contact with the family.

52:02

Adam is the one sibling that

52:05

believes Charles and is in contact with everyone

52:07

else.

52:08

And Charles

52:10

sends Adam an email

52:13

that he found in his inbox that

52:15

he didn't write. Because

52:18

Lori had either logged in

52:20

to his email to write it from his email

52:23

or had cloned his email,

52:26

but she essentially wrote an email to Chad

52:29

Daybell from Charles saying

52:32

that

52:33

he wanted to write a book about baseball

52:35

and he could come stay in the guest room. But

52:38

essentially it's, it's an email that makes

52:40

it appear that there's a reason for Chad to

52:42

come to Arizona. That doesn't look

52:44

like he and Lori are dating. So

52:46

they think it was for his wife to find

52:49

maybe. So Charles

52:52

at this point is like, this

52:55

is suspicious. So he reaches out to Tammy, Chad's

52:58

wife, and he tells

53:01

Lori, I'm going to talk to Tammy and

53:04

Lori says that Tammy already knows what's going

53:06

on. Unlikely, but

53:10

she says so. Now, as

53:12

this is going on, Charles is also

53:14

in contact with Adam

53:16

and Adam is like, well, let's get the family together

53:19

so that Lori can answer for some of what's

53:21

going on. Because again, he

53:23

still thinks he's like, this is my sister. Maybe she's

53:25

having a mental health crisis.

53:27

I just need her to tell me her side

53:30

so we can understand what's happening

53:32

because like

53:33

what she is saying is not matching up with

53:36

what's going on.

53:37

So Adam flies out to

53:39

Arizona and

53:40

the plan is that he'll keep his phone on record

53:43

while talking to Lori.

53:45

And he tries to call his brother Alex, no

53:47

return calls.

53:49

Meanwhile,

53:51

Lori is texting Alex.

53:53

We have these texts where she's

53:55

like, hey, don't answer Adam's

53:57

phone calls. Don't talk to the family. They're.

53:59

going to try and stage an intervention for me. It's

54:02

time to get rid of Ned already.

54:05

So the following morning, Charles

54:07

was supposed to pick up JJ to take him to school.

54:10

But when he arrived at the house, Alex

54:12

was there. Now, according to

54:15

the

54:16

information at the time and the interviews

54:18

people gave at the time, Alex and Charles

54:20

get into a fight. Charles hits Alex with a

54:22

baseball bat. He is injured in

54:25

a way that suggests baseball bat.

54:27

But Alex claims it was self defense

54:29

and shoots Charles. Now,

54:31

remember, this

54:32

is the same brother that tased

54:35

Laurie's third husband in the balls. This

54:37

is not the first time he has kind

54:39

of attempted to take someone out for her.

54:42

In the story.

54:44

That they give, Tylee has a baseball

54:47

bat trying to separate them

54:49

from fighting, and then she leaves, her

54:51

mom leaves.

54:52

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

54:55

The story is all kind of crazy.

54:57

There's a different version that like

54:59

he left with JJ but left his phone and came

55:01

back and Laurie found his

55:04

phone and found the stuff on his phone. So Alex

55:06

shot him. There's a whole bunch

55:08

of stuff. Now, later on,

55:10

as they reopen this case,

55:13

they'll find out that there's a 43 minute

55:15

gap between Alex calling Laurie

55:18

to tell her and confirm that Charles was dead

55:20

before he called 911 and also

55:23

that he was shot once and then shot again while

55:26

he was already laying on the ground.

55:28

So

55:29

this is a murder like Alex

55:32

murders Charles. The question

55:34

about whether or not Laurie

55:36

is involved or influences

55:38

it.

55:39

It's kind of up in the air. But

55:41

what does happen is.

55:44

She calls Colby, her oldest

55:46

son, and tells him that

55:48

Charles had a heart attack.

55:50

So Colby immediately drives over

55:52

to the house because they don't live that far away.

55:54

He gets to the house and Tyler is like, no,

55:57

Alex shot him.

55:59

And he's like.

55:59

like, Mom, why the fuck did you tell me

56:02

a heart attack? Why'd you tell something different? She

56:04

has no clear answers. Meanwhile,

56:07

JJ's school, she tells the

56:09

school that Charles died by suicide.

56:12

Again, no clear

56:14

story, right?

56:16

So Colby goes to his wife,

56:19

because he is now married with, and his wife

56:22

is pregnant with their own kid at this point. And

56:24

he's like, my mom told me that Charles

56:26

had a heart attack but I got there and he was shot.

56:29

Not long after

56:32

that third husband died,

56:34

and even though that does turn out to be natural causes,

56:36

but

56:37

something's up. And his wife is like,

56:40

this some bullshit, I don't believe it. So she

56:42

goes back into those emails that Charles sent

56:45

and finds that one

56:47

of those emails that Charles had forwarded

56:49

that he had found of Lori's

56:52

with her delusions is one ranking

56:54

all the family members as demons, like

56:57

dark spirits or light spirits. And

56:59

she finds out that she's ranked as a dark spirit.

57:02

And it's basically anyone who ever disagreed with or

57:04

questioned Lori was a dark spirit.

57:07

Everyone else was light and Tylee

57:09

is rated as a 4.1 dark spirit, like

57:13

the highest you could be rated as a demon.

57:15

Why is that? Okay, all right, that's fine.

57:18

I think because she's disagreeing with her, but like that

57:21

just brings me back to that. That

57:23

wasn't the part I had an issue with. I had an issue

57:25

with why was 4.1 the high, like four. It's

57:29

kind of like a Scientology

57:31

bridge situation where like they

57:33

put up in the documentary, they put up a

57:36

diagram and it's like a staircase that

57:39

he uses as a ranking system. Oddly

57:41

enough, this ranking system is the reason that other

57:43

author lady stops working with him. Cause

57:45

she's like, it's not cut and dry and mathematical.

57:48

You just have to kind of feel people out whether they're dark

57:50

or light. And she didn't like that he was ranking

57:52

people. Okay, yeah, that's

57:55

the part that doesn't make any sense for

57:57

sure. I have a question.

57:59

in and it's a it's a

58:02

it is an aside and it's it

58:04

is not super related but

58:06

maybe you'll see where i'm coming at now the

58:09

other day and by the other day i mean

58:11

yesterday i went out with bunch of my

58:13

friends and eight a bunch of texas

58:15

food and one of the foods they're i have

58:17

had before but i don't

58:19

think i've ever had a good version of it was

58:21

banana pudding ah

58:23

jake loves banana pudding

58:25

that like has jan it's like a huge texas

58:28

think like they are in love it here they get

58:30

it and so this guy he gives me this

58:32

banana pudding and he like tries a bite of it

58:34

and then he goes oh it's

58:35

so good like this is

58:37

like in eight like if you're going

58:39

to try it this is like him a and i try

58:41

to emails like damn is is really good then

58:43

we kept talking about banana pudding for a while as

58:45

a group and ice to heat the way he started

58:47

talking about his ranking system i

58:50

ask him a question of like hey what's

58:52

and ten and he is like a d has

58:55

like the best i've ever had and they got none are i

58:57

get that way is

58:59

do you have a tear i

59:01

have you tried it's i have you tried to ten

59:03

him he goes oh no

59:06

no i think the best i've ever tried

59:08

probably be mean a point five but

59:11

like i would

59:12

assume that lake there is

59:14

a ten out there and i realize his

59:16

ranking system operates not

59:18

on what here's how i rank things

59:21

a ten is the best i personally

59:23

have her em er hat so my

59:25

system is always changing to

59:27

adapt to the new threat

59:29

of had it's more fluid

59:32

his is a fine line

59:34

current f in which there is

59:36

a nonexistent ten on one

59:38

side and as zero that also

59:41

probably he

59:42

has not tried on the other side if

59:45

i horror virgin ranking scale of were

59:48

honestly i think deborah logan is maybe my ten

59:50

the would i sure yet yeah

59:52

i guess i just do you when you rank stuff

59:54

on a scale of one to ten do how do you do

59:56

it

59:57

so i i

59:59

tried it

59:59

where 10 is something I've already experienced

1:00:02

and then 10 is movable based on

1:00:04

new experiences. But I don't always.

1:00:07

Sometimes there are ones where I'm like, this is perfect

1:00:09

except this. And in my mind, 10 should be

1:00:11

perfect even though perfect is unattainable.

1:00:14

But I will say the next time you're in LA,

1:00:16

Magnolia Bakery has banana

1:00:18

pudding that according to Jake

1:00:20

is some of the best of the world. So. You

1:00:24

gotta fucking try. You gotta try it.

1:00:26

It's a 4.1, which is the highest that it could possibly

1:00:29

get though.

1:00:30

It's thicker. It's not like

1:00:32

pudding cup pudding. It's like, yeah.

1:00:35

Yeah, that's the kind that I had yesterday that

1:00:37

was like clearly a homemade

1:00:40

thing that I guess it's usually

1:00:42

a homemade thing, but you know what I mean where it's not like, it's

1:00:44

not just fucking jello pudding

1:00:47

mix and some whipped cream and

1:00:49

Nilla wafers. Like the whole thing was made

1:00:51

from scratch. And

1:00:54

yeah, that shit was really good. Anyway, just

1:00:57

curious because if I was ranking my family

1:00:59

members based on how demon, how

1:01:01

fucking demon mode they go, somebody

1:01:04

would have a five. Like I would have, there

1:01:07

would be a top of the scale is

1:01:09

all I'm saying. I think it's fucked

1:01:11

up that 4.1 is quote unquote the

1:01:14

highest you could be.

1:01:15

Well, at least the highest he had

1:01:17

ranked, but I also, I'm trying

1:01:19

to think of my family members and I feel like

1:01:21

recently there's been some switch ups.

1:01:22

Yeah. Where the person

1:01:25

that we would have like all collectively been like

1:01:27

five, then like turn their

1:01:29

life around. Okay. You're

1:01:34

like, man, you're creeping down. You're creeping

1:01:36

down in the rankings. You're almost at a demon

1:01:38

time. You're almost in angel paradise.

1:01:40

Chat said, damn chat's

1:01:43

at RIP Jimmy Buffett up there

1:01:45

bringing Margaritaville to God now.

1:01:48

Can I tell you the tweet I did

1:01:50

not send yesterday? Where it was a hold up.

1:01:54

I sent it to

1:01:56

Mikey and Todd to be like, should I?

1:01:59

the i to eat this and that i just decided

1:02:02

not to ah but

1:02:04

it were a i'm not

1:02:06

a fan of jimmy buffett music but i'm always sad

1:02:08

a buffet is over sent to a ah

1:02:10

ah ah ah ah secrets

1:02:13

that i just did it so i first ah

1:02:16

yeah that's really good page pay the

1:02:18

concept that that that that i

1:02:20

had i hope i'll

1:02:22

copy or a now i also

1:02:24

i just do it again another aside

1:02:26

and and will get more will wrap this up i'm sorry

1:02:28

know though i want everyone to

1:02:31

know the

1:02:32

when you in

1:02:34

in book in thirty years now

1:02:36

probably like fifteen to twenty years

1:02:38

when i die and the

1:02:41

article comes up on your twitter

1:02:43

feed or x feed or x

1:02:45

twitter why i'm

1:02:48

feed or threads ah

1:02:51

yet for thread or threads whenever

1:02:53

wherever you see that article please

1:02:55

quote to eat it and make a joke about

1:02:57

it because lake and that's what i want

1:03:00

that's what

1:03:02

i'm telling you now that like that's

1:03:04

what i would have wanted i would have wanted comedians

1:03:06

to make jokes about my death because i think

1:03:08

that's really funny yes

1:03:10

absolutely so

1:03:13

ah man please do that okay

1:03:15

so anyway this guy the

1:03:17

banana pudding scale of demon time

1:03:20

of their people rage

1:03:22

rented a four point one

1:03:23

she rented four point one and

1:03:25

charles is dead and at this point

1:03:27

now that charles is dead called his

1:03:29

wife is actually very very worried about

1:03:32

the kids year when there

1:03:34

is not good ah

1:03:37

but

1:03:37

they are

1:03:40

assured that everything's fine that charles

1:03:42

was cheating that think that's what the fight

1:03:44

was about it

1:03:45

kind of goes away but

1:03:48

laurie goes to train cash

1:03:50

in his life insurance

1:03:52

and realize that she is no longer the

1:03:54

beneficiary on the one million

1:03:57

dollar in life insurance policy

1:03:59

so she

1:03:59

text Chad and they have these

1:04:02

texts.

1:04:02

Ned got to him before we got

1:04:05

him, probably another step in bringing down

1:04:07

the Gattiantons.

1:04:10

Don't know what that is. Especially

1:04:12

Brandon. We'll get to Brandon in just a bit because

1:04:14

they make an attempt on Brandon

1:04:16

and it's unsuccessful. And

1:04:18

she says, I'm thinking it must be Kay. Now,

1:04:20

if you remember Kay is Charles's

1:04:23

mother,

1:04:24

JJ's grandmother, and she'll

1:04:26

be instrumental later on.

1:04:29

Whoa. The Gattiantons,

1:04:31

according to the Book of Mormon, were a secret

1:04:33

criminal organization in ancient America.

1:04:37

Ooh. Yeah.

1:04:39

It was. This was already a really long outline.

1:04:42

So that was the thing that I was like, gonna have to let that slide.

1:04:44

I've already got 10 pages of this

1:04:46

shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were,

1:04:48

the society was first founded around 52 BC by

1:04:51

Nephite supporter of Panachi

1:04:54

or Panchi,

1:04:55

an unsuccessful

1:04:57

candidate for chief judge. Okay,

1:04:59

this might be racist.

1:05:01

Yeah. Yeah,

1:05:04

I'm a. I

1:05:07

love it. Whenever we encounter a Mormon thing from back in

1:05:09

the day, we're like, and then

1:05:11

this, oh, wait. Okay, wait a second. It's

1:05:13

racist. How might this be racist, sir? Tell me everything.

1:05:17

It might be about how Native Americans

1:05:20

are the greatest criminals to ever exist.

1:05:22

Apparently. Oh, that's right. I forgot that they

1:05:24

believed that for a while they refused

1:05:26

to cede their lands to the Mormons.

1:05:29

Yes.

1:05:29

Yeah. Okay. All right. We can

1:05:31

move on. I just was like, I wonder what that's

1:05:34

all about. It's in reference to

1:05:36

the greatest crime organizations that ever

1:05:38

existed in ancient America, AKA

1:05:41

the

1:05:41

people who were originally. The indigenous

1:05:43

peoples of the Americas. Got it. Yeah. Got it. Yeah.

1:05:46

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Got it.

1:05:48

Anyway, at this point, Lori

1:05:51

decides that she needs to immediately move

1:05:53

her family quote somewhere cold

1:05:56

to avoid the people who were

1:05:58

after them and that they would.

1:05:59

It would be back every couple of weeks, but they were

1:06:02

trying to build a new life. We

1:06:04

will eventually find out that this is Rexburg,

1:06:06

Idaho, but no one knows. She doesn't

1:06:08

tell anybody.

1:06:11

And they all come to say goodbye. Tylee's

1:06:14

very upset, but ultimately

1:06:16

still goes because she's a teenager. There's

1:06:18

nothing she could do. But nobody

1:06:21

stops them.

1:06:23

Nobody is like, hey, you're not telling

1:06:25

us where you're moving and you're not

1:06:27

telling us who is after you. We

1:06:29

have concerns. They're just like, well, text

1:06:32

us when you get there.

1:06:34

Except for Colby. Colby and his wife are

1:06:36

texting Tylee and are like, hey,

1:06:39

please tell us what's going on. And then eventually

1:06:41

the responses start to sound

1:06:44

not like Tylee. And

1:06:48

he says, I need you to call me. I need to actually talk

1:06:50

to you. And then her phone goes

1:06:52

dark. The contact stops completely.

1:06:56

At this point, his wife

1:06:58

starts to investigate even more. So

1:07:01

she starts listening to Lori's podcasts

1:07:05

and based on the podcasts and the

1:07:07

emails from Charles,

1:07:08

she's like, um,

1:07:11

those kids are in fucking danger.

1:07:14

And they start to actively

1:07:16

try to reach out to contact

1:07:18

Tylee, to contact Lori, to contact JJ,

1:07:21

everything to no avail.

1:07:24

So now

1:07:26

the next portion we have based

1:07:28

on text messages and information

1:07:30

from communication within the group

1:07:33

that Lori and Chad have kind of formed around themselves.

1:07:36

It consists of a handful of other

1:07:38

adherents that Chad had picked up across the

1:07:41

country, as well as

1:07:43

Alex Cox, the one

1:07:45

who shot Charles and tased Joseph

1:07:47

in the balls and Lori's

1:07:50

niece, Melanie. We

1:07:52

talked about her a little bit in the first episode. Her

1:07:55

mother was Lori's sister, who

1:07:57

at one point was institutionalized

1:07:59

mental illness.

1:08:02

Melanie is now an adult at this point

1:08:04

and she has joined the group

1:08:05

as well. Based on

1:08:08

these text messages,

1:08:10

their belief system is if you're past

1:08:12

a certain point on that scale to

1:08:14

the point of dark, you are a zombie

1:08:17

where you are being puppeted by a demon.

1:08:20

And the only way to get rid of

1:08:22

the zombies is to eradicate

1:08:24

them. They believe there's about 20,000 zombies on Earth.

1:08:28

So there's texts

1:08:30

back and forth between Lori and Alex of like, hey,

1:08:32

what are you doing right now? Working on Z's. Proud

1:08:35

of you. Eradicate the Z's. Or

1:08:37

bad news on our brother, Adam. He's a

1:08:39

zombie.

1:08:40

And they're like, when was that early January? Well,

1:08:42

explains why he was helping Charles. Like,

1:08:45

or, you know, guess who our final Z

1:08:47

is. Pops or Brandon? Brandon. Let's

1:08:49

get back to Brandon. Brandon was

1:08:51

Melanie's husband. They are now divorced.

1:08:55

Brandon Boudreau is his name. And

1:08:58

he's the one fighting for custody of her kids that

1:09:00

she's like

1:09:01

posting on Facebook about if you remember from the first

1:09:03

episode.

1:09:04

So

1:09:05

they try to shoot

1:09:07

Brandon like a drive

1:09:10

by and he sees the car.

1:09:12

He sees them aim. It shoots out

1:09:14

the windows of his truck, but they don't get

1:09:17

him and he reports it to the

1:09:19

police. They're never able to track this down,

1:09:21

but he's convinced that it's this

1:09:23

group, especially because they are texting

1:09:26

about him being a zombie.

1:09:27

Um, but now

1:09:30

here's the bigger problem. And this is

1:09:33

one of the things that like the author

1:09:35

that stops working with Chad talks about in the documentary,

1:09:37

but she's like, I didn't realize how weird it was

1:09:39

at the time, but maybe I should have said something. But one

1:09:42

time he just said, I think we have to get rid of

1:09:44

the spouses for our plan to work and I'm

1:09:46

like, girl,

1:09:49

that's a thing that like the second you hear

1:09:51

that you're like,

1:09:52

they're in danger. You got to call

1:09:55

somebody like the next. She was like, I didn't

1:09:57

realize what he was talking about. Just

1:09:59

like.

1:09:59

Girl, what? Anyway,

1:10:02

Chad,

1:10:04

on multiple occasions, has said

1:10:06

that he saw a vision of his

1:10:08

wife's death, that she was

1:10:11

in his truck, she ran off the road, hit a pole,

1:10:13

and he saw her spirit leave her body,

1:10:15

hereditary style.

1:10:17

But Tammy's still alive at this point,

1:10:19

until October 9th, 2019, Tammy arrives home,

1:10:22

and a man

1:10:25

in a ski mask comes up to her and

1:10:27

shoots at her. She

1:10:29

screams and calls for Chad. He

1:10:31

talks to the guy, and he says it was a paintball

1:10:33

gun. And he

1:10:36

texts Lori, and

1:10:38

that same day, that Tammy

1:10:40

has been switched, Tammy is in limbo, and

1:10:42

a level three demonic entity named Viola

1:10:45

is in her body. It happened at about 10

1:10:47

p.m., trying

1:10:49

to hasten her departure.

1:10:52

Like, he's literally texting his

1:10:55

plans. So Tammy

1:10:57

survives this attack, but 10 days after

1:10:59

that initial attack, Tammy dies of

1:11:01

unclear causes. They're still investigating.

1:11:05

But he cashes in her life insurance policy,

1:11:08

and they make $430,000 after her death.

1:11:13

And at this point, they start encouraging everyone

1:11:15

in their group to move to Rexburg.

1:11:18

And not only that, they encourage them to get

1:11:21

married, to be sealed in the afterlife.

1:11:23

So Melanie marries

1:11:26

a man named Ian Polowski, two

1:11:28

weeks after they meet. And Alex

1:11:30

marries a woman named Zulema

1:11:33

Pastenez, because they

1:11:35

were matched and quote, equal in their

1:11:37

spirituality. However,

1:11:39

Zulema and Alex seem

1:11:41

to have actually had

1:11:43

kind of a romantic relationship, or some

1:11:45

sort of at least very close friendship,

1:11:48

because of what happens next. So

1:11:52

they were told that the world would end July 22nd, 2020.

1:11:56

So they're all getting married to try and beat that 2020

1:11:58

deadline.

1:11:59

But

1:12:02

it's unclear what exactly

1:12:05

the plan was after they

1:12:07

got married. So

1:12:09

Alex and Zulema get married in Las Vegas

1:12:11

because she refused to move to

1:12:13

Rexburg, Idaho

1:12:16

wisely. In fact, she is still alive. And

1:12:18

she has basically said, I'm

1:12:20

not sure that I would still be alive if I had

1:12:22

moved to Rexburg. I think they wanted to get rid of me because

1:12:25

literally the day after she

1:12:27

married Alex

1:12:29

and Alex was a massage therapist by trade.

1:12:32

He bought

1:12:34

a plastic tarp like

1:12:36

a drop cloth and they went

1:12:39

back to their hotel room. He put the cloth over the bed

1:12:41

and

1:12:41

she doesn't remember much

1:12:44

after that. She remembers lying down

1:12:46

and falling asleep and being

1:12:48

really, really relaxed. But she said she felt

1:12:50

like, you know, when you're trying to wake up and you can't

1:12:53

and then she remembered thinking, why am I so relaxed? I can't

1:12:55

wake up and faded in and out of consciousness

1:12:58

and she could hear him talking to someone

1:13:01

on the phone. Oh, no. Yes, she doesn't know

1:13:03

who it was. She

1:13:06

also doesn't know when

1:13:08

she believes she was drug, but

1:13:10

she doesn't know when and

1:13:13

when she was finally able to wake up, she

1:13:16

asked him who he was talking to and he said,

1:13:18

nobody. I was talking to myself. She

1:13:21

took a bath

1:13:22

and then they watched a movie together, but

1:13:25

she said that he was very, very quiet after

1:13:27

that point. However, only a few days

1:13:30

later, he

1:13:31

said to her, if anything

1:13:34

ever happens to me, there's a black

1:13:36

duffel bag in the closet. There's a Ziploc

1:13:38

bag holding five to seven thousand dollars

1:13:41

and a set of headphones and a phone and a gun.

1:13:44

Take it and get out

1:13:46

of here. Basically, the headphones

1:13:48

are weird. That's a weird detail.

1:13:50

I don't really know why the headphones are there,

1:13:52

but he basically says there's money

1:13:55

in there and it's not much, but it's for you. Just

1:13:57

take it and run. Baby, if anything

1:13:59

ever happens to me. There's five to seven

1:14:01

thousand dollars in there untraceable

1:14:03

a cell phone here of beats by Dr. Yeah.

1:14:05

Yeah I was gonna yeah a cell phone

1:14:07

that no one will ever have access to and

1:14:10

the brand new Raycon headphones

1:14:12

Did

1:14:17

you is that like do they

1:14:19

do something special no, they're just really

1:14:21

good

1:14:23

Okay Are

1:14:26

you afraid someone's gonna kill you sweetie

1:14:28

you're focusing on the wrong thing Raycon

1:14:33

Only headphones that have technically fucked

1:14:36

Kim Kardashian, babe

1:14:38

technically so

1:14:41

this Marriage and

1:14:43

this thing now. I do think

1:14:46

He was probably supposed to kill her and didn't

1:14:50

But so here's what happened

1:14:54

November 26th Police

1:14:56

send a welfare check now the way that

1:14:58

they get this welfare check is Kay The

1:15:01

grandmother to JJ

1:15:03

is logging into Charles's information

1:15:06

To try and figure out what's going

1:15:09

on figure out what happened because she doesn't believe the story

1:15:11

and she

1:15:12

Finds out that in Charles's

1:15:15

email someone was ordering someone

1:15:17

ordered a ring on Amazon under

1:15:19

Charles's name After he was dead.

1:15:21

She's pretty sure it's Lori

1:15:24

This is the ring that Chad Daybell eventually

1:15:26

has

1:15:27

But

1:15:28

this gives them an address in Idaho So

1:15:31

she calls in a wellness check on the kids

1:15:34

in Idaho the police show up

1:15:36

Kids are nowhere to be found and

1:15:38

it's this apartment complex where they're all living

1:15:40

together in this apartment complex so they go to talk to Lori

1:15:43

and Lori is like

1:15:46

hey, no, they're back in Arizona with

1:15:48

my friend Melanie like everybody.

1:15:50

I'm not a suspect They're safe. Everyone's just causing

1:15:52

me problems right now. I don't want to be found people

1:15:54

are after me

1:15:55

So the police call her friend Melanie Gibb

1:15:58

in Arizona and she's like

1:15:59

I don't have the kids why the fuck would she

1:16:02

tell you I have the kids and Melanie wisely

1:16:05

Records a phone call where she calls Lori

1:16:07

to confront it

1:16:08

and she's like they've never been here

1:16:10

Tell them where the kids are are the kids

1:16:12

safe and she's like yes But how dare you question

1:16:15

me you have to have faith and she's like you

1:16:17

have to understand my concerns Right like

1:16:19

you're telling the police they're here the

1:16:22

police are the people who are supposed to protect you like this

1:16:24

is

1:16:25

This is strange. So the police get a search warrant

1:16:27

They

1:16:27

go to search the house in Idaho and it's fucking empty.

1:16:30

Everyone is gone.

1:16:31

They are on the run nowhere to

1:16:33

be found

1:16:35

This is all within a couple days that same

1:16:37

day that they're out of dodge

1:16:39

That's the day that they get married that Alex

1:16:42

and Zulema get married in Vegas like

1:16:44

they left Idaho went to Vegas got married

1:16:47

and Alex is like if something

1:16:49

happens to me take these headphones and

1:16:51

this money So

1:16:53

but at this point

1:16:54

the police in Idaho after they check

1:16:56

around for a couple weeks are like

1:16:58

these kids are missing

1:17:00

They are missing and not only that

1:17:02

now we have questions about Tammy

1:17:05

Daybell's death because she had literally only died

1:17:07

a

1:17:08

month or two before in October,

1:17:11

so they exhumed Tammy and

1:17:13

do another like medical

1:17:16

autopsy and Discover they believe

1:17:19

she died of asphyxiation. So

1:17:21

Tammy Likely unfortunately

1:17:23

murdered now as soon as they exhumed Tammy

1:17:27

the very next day Alex

1:17:29

drops dead just like dead

1:17:32

out of nowhere in Zulema's

1:17:35

apartment her son calls 911 and

1:17:39

It's from blood clots in the lungs Which

1:17:42

apparently was a family? Thing

1:17:45

like they had a family history of it, but

1:17:47

there's questions about his death too as

1:17:50

of right now It's ruled as natural causes

1:17:53

But who knows but

1:17:55

at this point Alex is dead

1:17:58

Charles is dead Joseph

1:18:00

is dead. Tammy is dead. And

1:18:03

Lori and Chad are on the run with

1:18:05

the kids nowhere to be found.

1:18:08

And it's on this day, December

1:18:11

20th,

1:18:12

that a local article

1:18:14

gets published with all the information they

1:18:16

were able to find. And they found

1:18:18

a marriage certificate between

1:18:21

Lori and Chad, literally less

1:18:23

than two weeks after Tammy's death, where

1:18:25

they were married in Hawaii, November

1:18:28

5th, 2019. And

1:18:31

that's where they returned to to go on the

1:18:33

run. And that's where we start next week.

1:18:36

God damn. I

1:18:38

know it's a whole lot.

1:18:40

It's a lot.

1:18:41

It's a wild, wild story.

1:18:44

Oh, man, I just

1:18:47

found here. I'll

1:18:49

show this to you. I

1:18:51

just found this, which is just like a

1:18:54

chart to explain, you know, all

1:18:57

all the connections that these people have. Charles

1:18:59

Vallow to Lori Vallow to Chad Daybell

1:19:02

to Tammy Daybell. And it's got little pictures of

1:19:04

them. None of these

1:19:06

people look anything like I

1:19:08

thought they would.

1:19:09

Charles

1:19:12

Vallow looks like and I mean this very respectfully.

1:19:14

I'm not trying to be a dick at all. R.I.P.

1:19:19

looks like.

1:19:23

If Alex Jones was the devil

1:19:25

on your shoulder, Charles Vallow would be

1:19:27

the good version.

1:19:28

Yes, he does look like

1:19:30

that. Yes, like he's the good

1:19:32

the good angel one. Yeah. He looks like

1:19:34

the good version of Alex Jones.

1:19:38

Yes. Yeah. Oh, I also

1:19:40

think it's wild having watched

1:19:42

a bunch of footage of Tylee and JJ through

1:19:44

the documentary and a bunch of other things that they're

1:19:46

not necessarily blood related, but they look

1:19:49

like they are. And that's kind of wild to me, too.

1:19:51

They have very similar facial features and all kinds of stuff.

1:19:54

They absolutely sure do.

1:19:58

Man, that is a.

1:19:59

I would say this is a difficult story

1:20:03

simply because, well,

1:20:05

for a lot of reasons, but I think chief among

1:20:07

them,

1:20:08

how many times

1:20:10

people whose job it is

1:20:13

to maybe sense that something

1:20:15

is wrong could not see that

1:20:18

something was horribly, horribly wrong despite

1:20:21

so many different people being like, yeah,

1:20:23

she thinks I'm a zombie. A

1:20:26

three star zombie right now.

1:20:28

Right, right. I'm at least a four

1:20:30

star zombie, how dare you? Jesus

1:20:35

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1:20:37

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1:20:40

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1:21:52

Good night, good luck. And I love you, you little demon.

1:21:55

Hey everybody, it's your girl

1:21:57

Paige. You hear me every week. If

1:22:00

you want to listen to more of my voice, you could listen

1:22:02

to Horror Virgin or Romancing

1:22:04

the Pod or any number

1:22:06

of other things. I've got

1:22:08

some upcoming show dates.

1:22:10

I'll be on the No Laughing

1:22:12

Show September 14th at

1:22:14

the Comedy Store. You can get tickets for that

1:22:17

at the Comedy Store's website directly. September

1:22:20

19th, I'll be roasting Ryan Nessen

1:22:23

at the Comedy Store as well. You can get tickets for

1:22:25

that on the Comedy Store's website. And then,

1:22:27

of course, September 24th, it is Horror

1:22:29

Virgin Live. We have sold a

1:22:31

lot of tickets. There are still a handful

1:22:34

left. We're trying to pack

1:22:37

it out. We are trying to sell the entire place

1:22:39

out. And we're doing a pretty good job.

1:22:42

But there are a few tickets left. So if you still

1:22:44

want to go, you can get those on Flapper's

1:22:46

website. We've got the link in our show notes

1:22:48

as well. And I've got it on my social

1:22:51

media also. So check

1:22:53

that out. If you want to follow me on social media,

1:22:55

you can follow me on Instagram and TikTok

1:22:58

at Rampage Wesley or at Paige

1:23:00

Wesley on Twitter.

1:23:01

And I love you so much. Bye. We

1:23:04

were talking about this the other day, how funny

1:23:06

it is that we both run shows called

1:23:08

RTP. RTP!

1:23:12

Hell yeah. If you

1:23:14

want to support this show or

1:23:17

follow us, I guess, you can go

1:23:19

to at Cult Podcast on Instagram.

1:23:22

Or at Cult Podcast Show on Twitter

1:23:25

or X or whatever it's fucking called these

1:23:27

days. Yeah,

1:23:30

it's Elon's list. That's

1:23:34

what it is now. If

1:23:36

you want to support the show, you can go to patreon.com

1:23:39

slash cult podcast. And if you want to send us

1:23:41

an email, one of them fancy newfangled

1:23:43

ways of communication in which you can

1:23:46

lie to your spouse and plan a murder,

1:23:49

you can send us an email to cultpodcastshow

1:23:51

at gmail.com.

1:23:53

And if you want to send

1:23:56

us some books

1:23:58

that you bought at a Doomsday.

1:23:59

prepper convention or a giant

1:24:02

bucket of macaroni salad. You

1:24:04

could send that to 3756 West Avenue 40, sweet

1:24:07

K number 237 like

1:24:10

the shining Los Angeles,

1:24:12

California 90065.

1:24:14

And I'm gonna say for this one,

1:24:16

don't drink anything

1:24:18

any of these people hand you. They clearly

1:24:20

drugged somebody. Yeah, and they'll give

1:24:22

you the, oh, by the way, the only worse

1:24:25

answer than who are you talking to is

1:24:27

I was talking to myself.

1:24:30

Crazy, that's crazy.

1:24:33

Yep, it's not good. And

1:24:35

don't drink the Kool-Aid.

1:24:37

Bye. Yeah.

1:24:41

Yeah.