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2:04

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2:09

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2:12

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2:14

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2:16

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2:22

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3:00

are mostly armed. Farm. And

3:04

says. No, I am

3:06

become death. The Destroyer

3:08

of Worlds. I

3:12

suppose that I've heard that one way or another.

3:14

All. Right? Welcome back Lazy and gentlemen

3:17

to call this I'd This episode is

3:19

can be somewhat of a glossary index

3:21

or they'll be a study guide and

3:24

the help them to as a to

3:26

the series. Ah we're back with Sandeep!

3:28

You come from New Jersey appreciate you

3:31

are common on our for this tie

3:33

a little glossary index a summary sub

3:35

you can can have. this is a

3:38

point of reference could have you back

3:40

Man yeah we're good as always. A

3:42

bag with Andrew. What's

3:45

up man? I'm excited for this is well deserved. It

3:47

is going to be very helpful for all of our.

3:49

Our listeners to reference back to you.

3:52

Especially in terms of being able to speak

3:54

with a biblical worldview and witness in preach

3:56

the gospel to a Hindu that they may

3:58

know. where are you. Let them

4:00

know or someone even in the new age. I

4:02

think it's helpful altogether Yes, and so what you

4:05

just heard there. It's just a prime example of

4:07

kind of the influence on the West

4:10

regarding Hinduism that was a

4:13

Quote action audio clip from J Robert open

4:15

Heimer that was depicted by Killian Murphy in

4:17

the recent film by Christopher Nolan Oppenheimer about

4:20

the person who created the scientists who helped

4:22

develop create the the atomic bomb the end

4:24

of World War two at least With the

4:26

war in Japan. I haven't

4:28

seen the film What's been very interesting is

4:31

that is one of the biggest grossing

4:33

movies this past summer? And

4:35

because of that, you know people were just you

4:37

know you look for information surrounding this historical character

4:39

and people are finding this quote and All

4:42

of a sudden there's actually you can look at the comment

4:44

section on YouTube A lot of people are taking the sort

4:46

of new interest in The

4:49

Bhagavad Gita and the Hindu God who the

4:51

story of world that sounds kind of cool

4:53

What's that all about but it's always good

4:55

to know sometimes even in Hollywood That

4:58

things can get sensationalized things can be

5:00

historically inaccurate. So you told me what's

5:04

What something's off about what he was saying in that clip. What

5:06

was that? So

5:09

when I first saw that clip, you know, I

5:11

was like I first saw it for

5:13

you know, especially the Hare Krishna's They

5:15

they especially share that a lot and

5:18

that clip and they take a huge

5:20

pride. Okay, he's quoting the Bhagavad Gita

5:23

When I saw that clip I was

5:25

like, okay. Wow open I'm okay Let

5:27

me let me listen and he

5:30

says that in the Bhagavad Gita He

5:33

sees Vishnu there's no Vishnu

5:35

in Bhagavad Gita That's

5:38

the most funny as far I stop

5:40

I remember when I first watched that

5:42

first time when I watched that clip

5:44

I paused it I was laughing as

5:47

like there's no Vishnu in the entire

5:49

Bhagavad Gita. There is Krishna Yes, again,

5:51

all are same. Obviously the Hindus say

5:54

but but Krishna Krishna is a

5:56

entirely different person He

5:58

was not known as Vishnu you

6:00

know in the Bhagavad Gita there is

6:03

no Vishnu name mentioned in the Bhagavad

6:05

Gita. It's the Krishna and

6:08

obviously Krishna says that I am

6:10

Shiva, I am Kamdeva, I am

6:12

everything but Krishna is Krishna. So

6:15

I think Oppenheimer got wrongs

6:18

in that place. Yeah, maybe he didn't read

6:20

nicely. Yeah,

6:22

or he's paraphrasing. One person cannot know

6:24

everything that that's the point, you know.

6:26

But they take pride in the fact

6:29

that it's mentioned. They take

6:31

a lot of pride like Muslims take

6:33

pride. Their Muhammad was the last prophet.

6:35

Yeah. Again, we see Muhammad's life is

6:37

like someone you can't

6:39

just follow. So it's like Oppenheimer,

6:41

he was maybe good in physics

6:44

and building atomic bomb, but he

6:47

should not have done that. I mean

6:49

if that's true like obviously I read

6:51

like he was very fascinated about the

6:53

Bhagavad Gita actually and about Hinduism. Yeah,

6:56

but whoever he

6:58

followed he never read the

7:00

scriptures. Bhagavad Gita doesn't,

7:02

there's no Vishnu. Yeah,

7:06

well just before we kind of jump into kind

7:08

of our glossary terms of index to finding terms

7:10

and we'll have time stamps and everything to and

7:12

we drop the series. But if even

7:14

the fact that they take pride in this when I look at

7:16

this is I know the story is

7:19

that he did have a lot of regret towards

7:21

the end of his life about his

7:23

creation of this because he

7:26

was responsible for a weapon that

7:28

killed millions and millions of people.

7:31

And so he's the context he's

7:34

viewing this in retrospect. He's kind

7:36

of like I've kind of at

7:38

least I interpret it as him saying I've

7:40

become the destroyer of worlds. But he's not

7:42

necessarily saying that. I've been like a dead.

7:44

He's not bragging about it. He's like he's

7:47

got this heaviness about him like I've the

7:50

weight of millions of people are dead. War

7:52

is over, but millions of

7:54

people are dead because of me in Nagasaki

7:56

and Hiroshima. So just it's a fascinating clip.

7:58

I appreciate it inside. on it. So that

8:01

being said, let's, before we kind of

8:03

jump in, one of the things that you want to say is just

8:06

like why this conversation is so important. You said,

8:08

for example, some things going on as far as

8:10

the advancement in New York as far as in

8:13

the West regarding Hinduism. Tell us

8:15

about, you said there's like mandatory

8:18

meditation classes, some other examples.

8:20

Yes. So, you know, I, so I live now

8:23

in New Jersey, New York is just across the

8:25

Hudson River. The other side is New York and

8:27

the other side is New Jersey. So in New

8:29

York, a new thing came

8:31

out, a new law, which is soon

8:33

maybe, I don't know,

8:35

maybe within few months or by

8:37

the next year, meditation is becoming

8:40

the mayor of New York City,

8:42

Eric Adams. So he is making

8:44

a meditation

8:46

as compulsory in

8:49

the schools till the 12th grade. So,

8:51

you know, all of these kids who are,

8:54

who will be going to the schools around

8:56

New York City or in New York, I

8:59

think New York City, they will be

9:01

having a mandatory meditation class. And

9:04

so the, when I read that, I

9:06

was like, wow, I mean,

9:08

wish someone could do same thing for Christians

9:10

back in India, you know,

9:13

like some Jesus class, you know, like,

9:16

you know, equal freedom in the

9:18

state, like Uttar Pradesh, no anti-conversion

9:20

law for Christians, you know, everyone has

9:22

their own freedom and that's how it should be,

9:24

you know, but all these

9:26

kids who will grow up, I believe

9:28

in next 12 years, 15 years, they

9:31

will, I mean, out

9:33

of 10 people, for example, 10 of these

9:36

kids, I mean, six, seven kids would have

9:38

a soft corner for Hinduism would

9:40

be maybe halfway to Hinduism, you

9:42

know, and that's really sad, you know, because

9:45

this, this mayor doesn't know

9:47

anything or all these gurus, they don't

9:49

know what meditation is all about, you

9:51

know. Yeah.

9:53

Yeah. No, that'd be one

9:55

example of that. No, it's almost, man, it's almost

9:58

like neutrality is a myth. Well,

10:01

because anybody who does that,

10:03

you know, anybody who... So

10:06

Sandeep, with regards to the

10:08

mandatory meditation class, it

10:11

appears it's two to five minutes of

10:13

mindful breathing work each day from kindergarten

10:16

to being a senior. The way they pose

10:18

it is, if you look it

10:20

up, it says, giving NYC kids time to

10:22

breathe. Why

10:24

is that such a bad thing, Sandeep?

10:28

So why that is like, when

10:30

I read that first, I was

10:33

like, because meditation doesn't exist

10:37

without Hindu scriptures, simple as that. You

10:39

take the Hindu scriptures out, no one

10:41

knows anything about meditation. Straight,

10:43

I mean, it doesn't exist with

10:45

the Hinduism. So again,

10:49

when the teacher who

10:51

will be teaching, you know, the

10:53

first meditation class to these kids,

10:55

say of grade five, you

10:57

know, this kid doesn't know how to

11:00

do meditation, right? Maybe he's doing for

11:02

the first time. So the teacher would

11:04

tell the kid, all right, you have

11:06

to first sit in a Padmaashana position,

11:09

the Lotus position, you know, keep your

11:11

hands like, you know,

11:13

like this. You

11:15

know, you make all those certain pose

11:17

at first, and then the teacher

11:19

would say the kid, stop thinking about

11:22

everything, you know, and nothing. Don't think

11:24

about anything, you know, start

11:26

thinking who you are, what

11:28

you did the entire day

11:30

and it's so much connected

11:32

to the Hindu philosophy, the

11:34

Vedanta philosophy. And

11:37

when these teachers will teach meditation to

11:39

these kids, for sure they

11:42

will teach real meditation, you know,

11:44

like how Hindus

11:46

do, you know, and that will open doors

11:48

for the demonic spirits

11:50

actually, you know, you're just opening the

11:52

doors. And not every

11:54

kid will be trapped maybe and I hope

11:56

not, but many will fall, you know, and

11:59

that's the future. future for the Western world

12:02

actually. It's not just happening in New York

12:04

City, NYC is happening all around Europe. Europe

12:06

is in more bad condition actually. So

12:09

that's the future of the

12:11

West, meditation. At

12:13

the same time Christians will, I

12:15

see Christians they are losing their

12:17

rights in many cases. Same

12:20

freedom, there is no same freedom for Christians

12:23

back in India. It

12:26

doesn't make sense, as the saying goes, an

12:28

open mind is like an open mouth that

12:31

has to bite down on something. In this

12:33

case, it's empty-minded meditation. You have to match

12:35

with the spirituality to

12:37

match the open-mindedness or the empty-mindedness. That's

12:39

where you see Hinduism play in. Let's

12:42

just jump into defining terms. Start

12:45

at the very beginning, we made up a

12:47

huge emphasis on the Hindu scriptures. If anyone wants to

12:50

know the things you're referring

12:52

to, in the hierarchy

12:54

of the Hindu scriptures, the number one

12:56

is the Vedas. What

12:59

is in the Vedas? In the Vedas

13:01

you have how you can

13:03

do rituals. There are different

13:05

parts of Vedas again. Among

13:09

the Vedas, the most supreme one, the most

13:11

superior one is the Rig Veda. Rig

13:14

Veda are like if anyone wants to

13:17

study about the

13:19

caste system, you

13:21

go straight to the Rig Veda, the oldest scripture

13:25

for Hindus believed

13:27

by all Hindus in India is

13:30

the Rig Veda. You open the book 10 and

13:32

you start studying the entire

13:34

book 10. You get to see how caste system

13:37

actually came in India from

13:39

Vishnu's mouth, the Brahmins, and then from

13:41

the feet the Shudras came

13:43

out. So, and then there are

13:46

so many other scriptures about the

13:48

caste system, the Bhagavad Gita

13:52

in book 18. If

13:54

you read the book 18, you'll get to

13:56

see that no one leaves their duties. You

13:59

have to follow the the duties you know so

14:02

you get to see caste system right

14:04

over there and then there

14:07

after the Vedas I would say the Bhagavad

14:10

Gita obviously is a part of Mahabharata

14:14

so you get to see

14:16

caste system over there and

14:18

also the reincarnation cycle if

14:20

anyone wants to see

14:23

that really are we not free

14:25

of any reincarnation cycle

14:28

or like does

14:31

our rebirth you know like

14:33

if anyone is a Hindu the

14:36

rebirth depends on your karma past karma

14:38

and that comes from the Chandogya Upanishad

14:40

in book

14:43

5 actually it talks about how

14:45

someone who is a Brahmin sexually

14:48

because in his previous birth he

14:50

did something really good so that's why

14:52

he was born in a top caste

14:54

someone who is a snake or a

14:56

earthworm you know you see any earthworm

14:59

around you you should believe that

15:02

maybe you know it was a person

15:04

who did something bad so he he

15:07

is now earthworm Chandogya

15:09

Upanishad book 5 these

15:11

are Vedas by the

15:13

earliest of all the most important

15:16

beating a woman Brihadra and

15:18

Upanishad over there you get to

15:20

see if a woman is not submitting to the

15:24

person who is calling her you

15:26

know to to sleep

15:30

even by giving gifts the the

15:32

person can the man can hit

15:35

the woman actually and

15:37

forcefully take her in so you

15:39

get to see this in Upanishads you know yeah

15:42

yeah and so in so in

15:46

the Vedas then you're really seeing a

15:48

lot of sort of the espousing like

15:50

worldview theology in

15:52

ritual specifically and

15:54

also talking about reincarnation past lies like

15:56

a lot of that is sort of

15:58

the core foundation The always with

16:00

the glass cursor. The whole idea of

16:03

the cells actually comes from the vid

16:05

down to Richard. the parts of the

16:07

mother will punish. it's odd that and

16:09

to guilt when he should. the it's

16:11

three hours out when he should. All

16:13

of this who punishes busy but especially

16:15

the tend to get punished died Talks

16:18

about the into the downtown philosophy the

16:20

they can in Hindu the popular Hindu

16:22

monkey often quoted a tend to be

16:24

open he said the V dunta he

16:26

a He followed the with on the

16:28

philosophy which is. A do it

16:30

that way to do it is like you

16:33

are that one in your the cells. This

16:35

comes from the V does frame and you'd

16:37

say most people for westerners who are in

16:39

cities like to have a practice and rituals

16:41

of which come from and Louis and they

16:44

probably have never read. Like. Them

16:46

to snuff. Live with Aveda sir

16:48

Absolutely not him. Over our I

16:50

come from New Josiah I lived

16:52

there and I see every day.

16:54

Every single day I see people

16:56

with warm tattoo and some kind

16:58

of Hindu Eastern Ah style statue

17:00

on the back. On this ah

17:02

in a sold out on in

17:04

the arm Niger squished and to

17:06

myself what do you know what?

17:08

Or yeah you know anything. Ohm

17:10

I met people are in a

17:12

saying I know India's so old

17:14

he saw his ancient. A simulation is

17:17

older stuff on and then I I

17:19

I tried to ah excel in I

17:21

I don't be a silence I accept

17:23

what would make sitting there. Like

17:26

a Hindu, some Zola is. No.

17:28

Clue. Is a good

17:30

resource week? Sepia? Yeah you don't

17:32

Sadie reoccupied You don't Could Wiki Media

17:34

you ought scriptures record. Okay here is

17:37

a eight and Myra Primary Sources is

17:39

A Primary Sources the pet bite us

17:41

know like we have for the Book

17:44

of John I believe in a match

17:46

and fifty two in a raincoat. Okay

17:48

this is in this labour you going

17:51

check and I don't quote a week

17:53

be the ottawa.com says officer here

17:55

sir Andrew your I'd go and

17:57

enter. Yeah. so thinking in terms

17:59

of man like anthropology. Who

18:03

is God and who is

18:05

man? How do we define

18:07

those terms within Hinduism? Because

18:09

I know there's the plurality of gods,

18:12

but what about the one above

18:14

all of that? How

18:17

do you define that God? And then

18:19

what is man and what is the purpose

18:21

of man within Hinduism? Yeah,

18:24

so there is obviously a difference

18:27

in Hinduism between God and the

18:30

human beings. But if

18:33

you go to the earliest

18:35

sources in Hinduism, the Vedas,

18:37

basically you get to see

18:39

that the self, the Atman,

18:42

that the soul is basically,

18:45

so there is a cosmic, there is

18:47

a supreme God above everyone. That's

18:49

called the Brahman. You

18:51

get to see Brahman in Chando Gheopanishad

18:54

book one. If anyone opens up, you

18:56

get to see Om, the

18:58

oldest is the sound of the

19:00

God. When people do yoga,

19:02

they say Om, they

19:05

chant this mantra. Any mantra

19:07

at the beginning is always

19:10

Om. And again, in all

19:12

the Vedas, we don't get to see Om in

19:14

the earliest mantras. There is no

19:16

mention of Om. Almost later, Hinduism

19:19

developed over time. All the gods

19:21

who are mentioned

19:23

in Vedas, Dharikveda, they are not

19:26

worshiping. There is no temple in

19:28

India or Indra. No temple. Maybe

19:30

there is a war in sub

19:33

corner, but Indra, there is no

19:35

temple, Shiva, this temple. So

19:38

the whole concept of Vedanta philosophy, the Vedic,

19:41

I am talking about the earliest philosophy

19:44

from the Hindu text, the

19:47

Vedas. Over there, you

19:49

believe that when you meditate, you

19:52

are getting connected with something,

19:54

a cosmic God called Brahman.

19:57

And that Brahman is the

19:59

sukha. preem of all, that's

20:01

the ultimate reality. That's what

20:04

the Buddha achieved, that what

20:06

a lot of Hindu gods

20:10

and goddesses achieved to

20:12

get rid of the death cycle,

20:14

the samsara cycle, the

20:17

reincarnation cycle. We see

20:19

in Hati Yoga Pradapika, right

20:21

in the beginning, first

20:23

book from the first verse

20:26

to, you know, the first book over there,

20:28

first to fifth verses, over

20:30

there it says that even Shiva did

20:32

yoga because he wanted to defeat death.

20:35

So the whole concept is you do

20:38

meditation and then your atman becomes equal

20:40

or gets aligned with the

20:42

with the brahman, the cosmic god and

20:46

that is no other than yourself.

20:48

Yeah. So that's the the whole

20:50

end actually. All the gurus they

20:52

believe, you know, they're burning

20:54

their karmas actually by

20:57

doing meditation, yoga, dhyan, it's called,

20:59

you know, dhyan is like you

21:02

meditate in Sanskrit,

21:04

it's called dhyan in English as

21:06

meditation. So you dhyan, you know,

21:10

until the time you

21:12

feel like you have achieved moksha. Yeah.

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living out freedom. Yeah, and so just in

22:31

clip, so that's a cliff note summary of the other Vedas,

22:33

and this would be good just for people to kind of

22:36

get a foundation. This is the really the primary book

22:38

of authority that all sects on cows of

22:40

Hinduism would adhere to. Now

22:43

then, what's the, what's one's next in line?

22:45

The next I said the Bhagavad Gita. Yeah,

22:47

so obviously, Oppenheimer quotes that in that quote

22:49

that we opened up at the episode, but

22:52

talk about that. It's a book with a

22:54

lot of war and violence. What's a brief

22:56

summary of it? The brief story, if

22:59

anyone reads Bhagavad Gita, this

23:01

book is full of war. Mahabharata is

23:03

basically, it's a part of Mahabharata. The

23:05

book six is the Bhagavad Gita. There

23:08

are 18 books in Mahabharata,

23:11

and among the 18 books, the sixth

23:13

one is the Bhagavad Gita, which

23:15

is seen as a little book, but it's

23:18

a part of Mahabharata. So it's

23:20

basically in brief, it's a war to win

23:23

over a kingdom called Hastinapur. Who will

23:25

win over this kingdom? Who will become

23:28

the next king? So the cousins and

23:30

the brothers are fighting within each other.

23:32

They are all relatives. They know each other, Kauravas

23:36

and the Pandavas, five

23:38

brothers and the hundred brothers, they fight, and

23:40

Krishna is actually leading the

23:43

war. Arjuna was from the Pandava

23:46

side, and Krishna is just

23:48

trying to tell Arjuna, you have to

23:50

fight. That's

23:52

your dharma, that's your duty.

23:55

That is what you should do.

23:57

Whoever doesn't do that should should

24:00

be judged. And like

24:02

I quoted before

24:04

Bhagavata Puran, book 6,

24:07

chapter 10, if anyone opens over

24:10

there, it's written at the end that

24:14

the most noble way to die is

24:16

you die in a battlefield or you

24:18

chant the Vedas while you are dying.

24:21

So Arjuna is not ready to fight

24:23

because it's a bloodshed, it's

24:26

a war. It's not a good thing

24:28

actually. No war has ever been good

24:30

throughout the history. It's a bloodshed. People

24:32

die, people lose families. And

24:34

Arjuna is on

24:36

this chariot and

24:39

he's looking at this

24:42

whole crowd. There are so many animals

24:44

even who will die. Back in those

24:46

days, people used to fight with animals

24:48

even. So a lot of

24:53

people who love animals, they

24:55

should also know this, that Bhagavad Gita doesn't

24:57

support the rights

24:59

of animals because they fought with animals. So

25:02

Arjuna is not ready to fight. He's ready

25:04

to forgive. He just doesn't want to fight.

25:07

And then you get to see Krishna.

25:11

I think I believe in book

25:13

2, if anyone reads the

25:16

book, Krishna is just trying to convince again

25:18

and again to Arjuna that you should fight.

25:21

And yes, the war happened. The

25:23

Kauravas lost the war.

25:25

Many were dead, but still they ended

25:27

up in heaven, even though Krishna

25:29

was on the other side. Yeah, so fascinating. I know

25:31

there's a lot more you could do on that. And

25:33

just to name the other two other

25:35

couple books that are just sort of looked to.

25:40

After Vedas and then the Bhagavad Gita,

25:42

next I would say the Puranas. Or

25:46

I'll say the Ramayana. There is

25:48

still a

25:51

fight between Ramayana. I would say

25:53

the Ramayana is a story of

25:55

Rama. Because the Hara Krishna you

25:57

get Rama, the whole

25:59

thing. a story not necessarily like a

26:01

guys step by step guide for ritual. Its

26:04

not like after Vedas you have to

26:06

go there you know Hare Krishna they

26:09

don't follow by the way Vedas okay

26:11

they don't follow the Puranas I mean

26:13

they can they will obviously accept that

26:15

Vedas is a sacred scripture but if

26:17

you go to Hare Krishna temple they

26:19

would say have this Gita by

26:21

our Gita and by

26:23

the Bhagavata Purana. So every actually

26:26

every sect in Hinduism not the

26:28

caste the followers for Krishna they

26:30

have different books for Shiva they

26:32

have Shiva Purana. So after

26:34

Gita I would say the Ramayana which is the

26:36

life story of Hindu god

26:39

Rama you know how he like

26:42

how he goes to the forest and he

26:45

is with his wife and his brother

26:47

Lakshman then

26:50

someone kidnaps his wife

26:53

Sita and Sita you

26:55

know is kidnapped by the

26:57

king called Ravana but

27:00

anyway Sita later on gets free

27:02

and she comes back to her

27:05

husband Rama but Rama is not ready to

27:07

accept Sita and no one is

27:09

understanding why Rama is behaving like this and

27:12

Sita is seen as also a goddess kind

27:14

of in for Hindus you know

27:16

every Hindu woman they try to be like

27:18

Sita because she was she is believed to

27:20

be the purest and

27:23

someone who can do no mistake like

27:25

a holiest but Rama doubts

27:27

the Sita slept with the

27:29

king Ravana and Sita

27:32

is crying you know crying and crying

27:34

like Sita is like you are my

27:36

husband you are doubting me and

27:38

Rama says get out from my

27:41

sight you know don't stay near me

27:43

go with other men go with the

27:45

monkeys or the other animals don't stay

27:47

near me so you get to Sita

27:49

is pregnant and Rama

27:52

actually says you have to do you know

27:54

what if you have to prove your chastity

27:56

you have to go through this fire it's

27:58

called Agnipariksha Hindu And those will understand what

28:00

I am trying to say. Agni Pariksha is like you.

28:04

Rama asks Sita that you walk over this fire

28:06

and if the fire doesn't consume you, it proves

28:08

that you were, I mean

28:11

nothing happened between you and Ravana, the

28:13

king who kidnapped her. And

28:15

Sita was pregnant at that time. We

28:17

get to see that in Ramayana. So

28:21

these are the stories, you know. After

28:26

Ramayana, Puranas, the 18 major,

28:28

18 minor. For Shiva's life,

28:30

if anyone has to study, which scripture

28:32

should I go to for Shiva's life?

28:35

Who is this destroyer? Is Shiva

28:37

really known

28:39

as the destroyer? You

28:41

go to Shiva Purana. Right in

28:43

the Shiva Purana, you get to

28:45

see, it's mentioned that Shiva will

28:48

come as a destroyer. Yeah.

28:50

No, I appreciate that. And then so

28:52

just jumping over to, that's a brief

28:55

summary of just the Hindu scriptures. Now

28:58

we're looking at the hierarchy of sort of like

29:00

the Hindu gods. And so we're at, obviously we're

29:02

at the- Hey Jerry. Yeah. Can

29:05

I ask a question real quick in terms of the scriptures? So Cindy,

29:07

if I have a question, is

29:09

the canon of Hindu

29:11

scriptures closed or is

29:14

it a continuing canon? Meaning

29:16

that is there still the ability for more

29:19

scriptures to be created? And if not, why

29:21

not? That's a

29:23

very interesting question. I would say

29:25

Hinduism is still developing today. My

29:27

grandmother, we are

29:29

Brahmins, so my grandmother is still a

29:32

staunch Brahmin. She follows

29:34

a female deity known as

29:36

Ma. The

29:38

female deities are always, all the Westerners when they

29:40

go to India, they say female deity as Ma.

29:44

So Ma, Santosi, Mata. Santosi,

29:47

if anyone searches, Santosi is

29:49

a very prominent female deity

29:51

in India today. And my

29:53

grandmother is a huge

29:55

devotee of this female

29:57

deity and there are millions, literally

29:59

millions of followers, there are temples

30:02

for this Goddess and this

30:04

Goddess there was no

30:07

evidence, no reference. I

30:09

mean what I am saying, there was no reference

30:11

before 1950s during that time. Before

30:16

1950 there was no mention,

30:18

no one knew about Santosi. It

30:21

is a new God within 70 years,

30:23

like within 60-70 years

30:25

this new God pops up. So

30:27

now today she has like millions.

30:33

And obviously there are guide books for

30:35

again, Santosi, there are books, there are

30:37

scriptures which my grandmother she

30:40

chants before going to bed. So

30:45

yeah, it is developing even to

30:47

this very day. Now

30:50

I mean it is always interesting and it

30:52

makes sense where anybody can become the God

30:55

or the Guru, it makes sense how you can have a lot

30:57

of changes going

30:59

on. Any new God can pop up at

31:01

any time, very fascinating. And

31:03

so another question that I would have with the

31:06

defining terms would be the

31:08

Hindu Gods, just real quickly. We

31:11

were at the Hindu temple the other day and we

31:13

saw a plethora of Gods there. Who

31:15

is the head honcho right now? Who is

31:17

the king of the mountain when it comes to the Gods

31:19

of the New Age, specifically the Gods of Hinduism? I

31:22

would say Shiva mostly.

31:26

I have literally seen, like

31:29

I have personally seen people having tattoo here

31:31

of Shiva. And

31:33

then the next one if you ask me, I will

31:36

say Krishna. Shiva

31:38

and Krishna are the superior

31:41

of all these two people.

31:43

And it comes to feminine deity,

31:45

then is the Shakti, Shiva Shakti.

31:50

Who is related to the Kundalini actually,

31:52

is the Shakti, is the feminine energy

31:54

which one raises from the Muladhara to

31:56

the Sahasarara Chakra.

32:00

and then over there the Shiva

32:02

and Shakti myths. Okay. All

32:04

from Kundalini yoga, Kundalini Upanishad. And then

32:06

the ritual connect. Yeah, let's interconnect with

32:09

the different new age practices in comparison

32:11

to the Hindu gods. So

32:13

usually the Kundalini yoga is directly a byproduct

32:16

of Shiva. Those two things are interconnected.

32:18

Yeah. And people say I do

32:20

Kundalini but I don't

32:22

want to follow Hinduism. I would put

32:25

Jesus over there. It's not possible. You

32:27

can't re-edit the scriptures. I

32:30

can't re-edit the Bible. Is

32:33

Jesus there? It's all in a region. People

32:35

who wrote it know what they are writing.

32:37

You can't take out the Shiva and the

32:40

Shakti. These two words are mentioned in the

32:42

yoga Kundalini Upanishad. The

32:45

oldest of all scripture which talks

32:47

about Kundalini practice. You can't

32:50

take these things out. You have to

32:52

believe these things. And I believe a

32:54

lot of people

32:56

who practice this even though they

32:58

know that they are not

33:00

doing it right but they know that

33:02

Hinduism is so much into this. I

33:04

mean there is no Kundalini without Hinduism.

33:07

Simple. And who comes after

33:09

Shiva? So

33:12

Krishna. Krishna. Yeah. Define

33:15

Krishna and the ritual. What's connected as

33:17

far as like outpouring rituals, beliefs that

33:19

a lot of people would identify with as far as

33:21

new age practices go? Krishna

33:24

is seen as a god

33:26

of yoga also in

33:29

the Bhagavad Gita which is the second most

33:31

sacred book for all Hindus. Believed

33:34

to be a lot of Hindus believe Bhagavad

33:36

Gita is the national book of

33:38

India. There are

33:41

Bhakti yoga, there is Kyan

33:44

yoga, all of these

33:46

yoga, you know, there is Karma

33:48

yoga. These are the terms

33:50

mentioned in the Hindu

33:52

scripture. So people who do

33:54

yoga, they are

33:57

called to do Bhakti yoga, you

33:59

know. Bhakti Yoga is like a devotion,

34:01

it's like a meditation, which

34:03

is your thinking about Krishna and

34:05

Krishna tells in the Bhagavad Gita

34:09

that you have to think about me, you

34:11

have to meditate

34:15

on me, that's

34:18

called the

34:20

Bhakti Yoga, you are devoted to

34:22

Krishna. And

34:24

so again who

34:26

is this Krishna? To learn about his

34:29

life, the most important books when it

34:31

comes to Krishna is the Srimad Bhagavatam,

34:35

you go to any Hare Krishna temple, they

34:37

will hand out the Srimad Bhagavatam, that's the

34:39

most besides the Bhagavad Gita.

34:42

And these two books you get to see

34:45

Shiva's entire life, mostly comes out from the

34:47

Srimad Bhagavatam. We

34:49

get to see also in

34:51

Matsappuran Shiva is literally cursing

34:53

like 16,000 women, we get to

34:58

see a story Shiva is cursing

35:01

women to get raped even, he

35:04

is not happy, so the women

35:06

should get raped, there are

35:08

verses literally in Matsappuran which says

35:10

and then Bhagavat Gita

35:13

is all about Krishna,

35:18

how he was like human

35:20

beings, he did mistakes like humans. So

35:23

it's nothing like super holy

35:26

God like Jesus, sinless, nothing

35:28

like that for Krishna's life.

35:31

And then we are talking about practices and beliefs would

35:33

be a lot of the ideas of reincarnation because we

35:36

are at the Hindu temple that was brought out specifically

35:38

in relation to Krishna. Yeah, yeah,

35:40

the reincarnation is the core

35:42

belief of Hinduism, you have

35:44

to believe that Karma

35:46

is something which you have to pay,

35:49

no one gets hurried of the karmic

35:52

cycle, the samsara cycle, no one gets

35:54

free of that, even the Gods are

35:56

you know many Hindus would say no

35:59

by doing yoga. know and some there

36:01

are some verses which actually says that

36:03

by doing yoga and

36:06

meditation you can get freedom from the karmic

36:08

cycle you know Buddha did that Gautama Buddha

36:10

you know he

36:13

did he meditated all all of his end

36:15

of his life and thinking that

36:17

he attended moksha freedom

36:19

from the karmic cycle yeah

36:22

so I you

36:24

you don't get to see that's

36:26

actually happening in in Devi Bhagwata

36:29

puran like over the

36:31

literally mentions in book six chapter

36:33

10 that even

36:35

the gods like the Shiva Vishnu

36:38

Brahma all are under the karmic

36:40

judgment they don't get they are

36:42

not free that's why Krishna was

36:44

killed by you know how do

36:47

Krishna died he died by by

36:49

us by a arrow you know

36:51

shot by a hunter called

36:54

Zara you know so because Krishna

36:56

did Krishna in his previous life

36:58

was Rama so Rama killed a

37:01

valley you know so

37:04

Rama became next birth Krishna and Krishna was

37:06

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talk to you later guys quick question

37:37

going back to the gods here and

37:39

I think it can even relate this

37:41

to some samsara but let's

37:44

say Brahman not Brahma

37:46

but Brahman is is

37:49

different than Krishna Vishnu

37:52

and Shiva right

37:56

my question is is what what's

37:58

the difference and And if

38:01

there's something that is submitted to by Vishnu,

38:05

Shiva, and

38:08

Krishna, like Samsara, did

38:11

Brahman create Samsara? Or

38:14

is Samsara this eternal

38:17

principle that

38:19

all things must submit to except

38:21

for Brahman? I'm just

38:23

kind of confused on the way all of that works.

38:26

It's actually a little

38:28

confusing actually. The Hindu scripture

38:30

says not the same

38:32

thing. Different

38:34

scripture says different things actually.

38:36

If you read the Puranas,

38:38

different Puranas are claiming that

38:41

Shiva is the main

38:43

guy and then the Bhagavad Gita is

38:45

saying that Krishna is the main guy.

38:48

So Brahman and Brahma, both are different.

38:51

So Brahma is the creator God, it's

38:53

like a God like Shiva, Vishnu. But

38:55

Brahman, n, with the n at the

38:58

end, Brahman is

39:00

like a cosmic God,

39:03

is like the ultimate reality who

39:05

is above the, in

39:07

the sky, you know, and the

39:09

whole universe is within the Brahman,

39:12

you know. So there is this

39:16

formless, you know, kind of

39:19

God who is known as Brahman. The

39:21

whole cosmos is

39:23

inside this Brahman. And

39:26

the sound of Brahman is the Om.

39:29

This is the sound. But

39:31

again, different scriptures like

39:33

the Chandogya Upanishad from

39:35

the Vedas, Book 1, if anyone

39:38

reads over there, it says actually

39:40

the Om, the sound Om is

39:43

the God. So even the sound can

39:45

be God, you know. And

39:47

then there is a Bhagavad

39:49

Gita even claiming that Krishna

39:51

is the Shiva, he is

39:53

the creator. So different books

39:55

are saying different things. Yeah.

39:58

So Brahma would be like the third and last. line

40:00

as far as the hierarchy of the Hindu gods.

40:02

Yes, so Brahman is the top I would say

40:04

the top most is a Brahman. Brahman? Yeah,

40:07

Brahman is the ultimate reality.

40:09

You know you attend moksha,

40:11

you go to the state

40:13

of Brahman. The

40:15

next one would be Shiva. So

40:18

is Brahman Shiva then Krishna?

40:20

Krishna, yes and then there

40:23

are others, Rama, there

40:25

is. What about Vishnu? There

40:27

is openheimer in the very beginning, he quotes

40:29

Vishnu. Yeah, so Vishnu is also, but when

40:31

it comes to hierarchy I will say Brahman

40:34

and then Shiva, Krishna,

40:36

Vishnu. This

40:38

is kind of the hierarchy. Now

40:40

again many Hindus might have different

40:43

hierarchies because there is nothing like

40:45

one thing. You know like the

40:47

Bible says Jesus will

40:50

be the sacrifice. And obviously we have recorded

40:52

a lot of content. I don't think we

40:54

have the time to go through all 33,000

40:56

plus deities or however many are in

40:59

Hinduism or how many are in

41:01

total? 33 million. 33

41:04

million, why did I say 33,000? It's been a

41:06

long day. But it's a lot. So it needs

41:08

to say we are not going to have the

41:10

time to go through every single Hindu god otherwise

41:12

we would be here till a

41:15

long long time. So

41:18

that just, you know my heart skips a little bit.

41:22

Yeah, so that being said, so we are

41:24

talking, those are kind of regardless of what

41:27

sect or caste of Hinduism and as many whatever

41:29

other gods you believe in, those four that you

41:31

are mentioning that that's kind of the hierarchy there.

41:33

So we have the certain, we have the Hindu

41:35

scriptures covered, some of the basic gods of the

41:38

new age and in that you have the Kundalini

41:40

Yoda, transcendental meditation and all those things that are

41:42

part and parcel that comes out from

41:45

the world view of Hinduism. And then another

41:47

thing that's talked about that maybe people want to

41:49

come back and listen this in reference to

41:51

your testimony. Describe

41:53

the different castes. There is the caste system. Describe

41:56

these caste and what they represent. So,

42:01

according to the Bhagavad Gita again the

42:05

Brahman the Brahmin caste actually

42:07

the Brahmin caste should be

42:11

priest, their duty is to

42:13

be priest to read the Vedas we

42:17

get to see

42:19

that in the Ramayana

42:21

you know Krishna sorry Rama

42:24

killing Sambuca who was from the

42:27

lower caste trying to do a ritual

42:29

and Rama killed Sambuca because

42:31

you know Sudha should not do that it

42:34

is not the job for Sudha. So, Brahmin

42:36

is to read the Vedas

42:38

you know do the rituals

42:40

lead the congregation. The

42:42

next is the Shatriya, Shatriya's

42:44

duty is to establish

42:47

truth follow

42:49

the dharma you know follow

42:52

the you know defend

42:54

the religion defend the faith actually go

42:56

to the battlefield fight that what Arjuna

42:58

did you know was convinced

43:01

like forced by Krishna I

43:03

always see in that way

43:05

and then are the Vashas.

43:07

The Vashas are the sect

43:09

of Vishnu actually so

43:11

their job is to do trading to

43:14

do business you know most

43:16

of the business people in

43:18

India belong from the Vashas caste.

43:20

Yeah, Vashana was also there called

43:22

the last is the Shudras who

43:24

were meant to clean the latrine

43:27

you know clean do

43:29

all the lower jobs burn the

43:31

body through the ashes all the

43:33

cleaning jobs lower job not done

43:35

by Brahmins. We have the

43:37

lowest one that the called the Chandalas

43:40

they are the low low more lower

43:42

than the Shudras. So, they

43:44

are like also known as untouchables

43:46

actually so in India there are

43:48

untouchable caste also mostly found in

43:50

the southern part village areas and

43:52

all yeah. Yeah,

43:55

so these are the duties actually and

43:58

their duty is to do all the lower jobs. You

44:00

know and no Brahmin would

44:02

ever clean a lettering Never

44:05

in the history it has happened and never it

44:07

will happen. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So you got

44:09

this So those are all the caste systems you

44:11

have then When it

44:14

comes to defining terms like within Hinduism,

44:16

we've covered the Hindu scriptures the

44:18

Hindu gods in this episode These are the

44:20

caste systems. Is there anything that

44:22

be notable in her audience? I

44:24

mean that by a time they'll probably if they listen to

44:26

all the episodes, I'm still I'm still you

44:28

know They're probably gonna have questions or want to understand

44:30

things and given this is your life Are there any

44:33

kind of points we should cover as

44:35

far as just understanding that kind of lens and

44:37

worldview of Hinduism that we should be Aware of

44:39

as far as defining terms. Yeah One

44:42

last thing that I would like to say is that If

44:46

you are young You know you're

44:48

from the West or you know in middle middle

44:50

aged or someone like that You

44:53

go to your workplace or you go

44:55

to universities or you know, you're you're

44:57

somewhere school or somewhere if

44:59

someone is trying to tell you that in

45:01

you know, Christianity is a new religion

45:03

and that Hinduism is the oldest and

45:06

is the best of all and let's

45:08

do yoga You know, you can do

45:10

yoga without Hinduism, you know or without

45:12

like doing the talk to a spouse,

45:14

you know Do the Kuru Masana, but

45:16

not believing in the Hindu God Vishnu

45:20

That's not possible. You can't

45:22

read it the scriptures. That's my point

45:24

You can't read it all

45:26

of these scriptures yoga sutras or Patanjali

45:28

or the Hutt yoga These

45:31

are main scriptures. You can't take the

45:33

adhina the word out from that scripture

45:35

These are like the center the bedrock

45:37

for for dissolved practices, you know So

45:40

never never believe that That

45:43

Hinduism, you know is the

45:45

oldest look for the evidence Maybe

45:48

if it is the oldest you'd find

45:50

some kind of evidence like manuscript or

45:52

some kind of inscription You know look for

45:55

the evidence. Just don't believe because

45:57

you are being told by so

45:59

so so professor or a lecturer

46:01

like Oppenheimer even, many

46:04

people in the West might think, okay, Oppenheimer

46:06

got inspired by the Bhagavad Gita and Vishnu,

46:09

there is no Vishnu, like I have told

46:11

you, there is no Vishnu in Bhagavad Gita,

46:13

he could have Bhagavad Gita, we

46:16

don't find Vishnu. So Oppenheimer

46:18

maybe he knows physics and

46:20

that's not bad, I mean he

46:23

knows something, but he doesn't for sure knew

46:26

anything about Bhagavad Gita, that's my point. I'm

46:28

not trying to brag or something, but you

46:31

have to study the scriptures to

46:33

know about Hinduism. So just don't

46:35

believe because your professor tells you

46:37

that or your aunt

46:40

told you that, or your friend told you that,

46:42

you know. Yeah, go to the source and that's

46:45

why we had you come out from New Jersey

46:47

to be on the podcast. So I'm really looking

46:49

forward to seeing the ripple effect that these conversations

46:52

have. So yeah, I appreciate

46:54

you coming out here and man, I've been

46:56

talking all day, I've been using that like

46:58

this honey spray to kind of like get

47:00

my throat, now my throat is starting to

47:02

get raspy. So now I'm starting to say

47:04

I'm like, Dr. Fauci or something. I can't

47:06

wait to have my Indian food. One

47:09

thing that I cannot get rid of Indian

47:11

food. Yeah, Indian food is good. Yeah, curry

47:14

and all of this. Yeah, curry, that stuff

47:16

is good for sure. But you do like

47:18

your hamburgers too. Yeah, I like beef. That's

47:20

the type of syncretism we can do. We

47:22

can do some hamburgers, fries, a good,

47:25

a good, if you're here, you're saying

47:27

that good pastrami sandwich. But then also,

47:29

you know, Indian foods, it also good.

47:31

A little curry is good too. All

47:33

right, well, if you guys have enjoyed

47:35

this episode, this series, I hope this

47:38

episode, you might have to come back to this again. We'll

47:41

time, we'll try and timestamp this. And

47:43

hopefully this will be helpful. And you know, anytime

47:45

you have questions about Hinduism and who knows, maybe sometime

47:47

in the future, we could do another collaboration. I think

47:49

this is gonna be very, very eye opening for audience.

47:52

I mean, I appreciate you coming on. And this has

47:54

been a blast. Thank you for having me. We

47:56

appreciate it. Absolutely. All right. Well, if you guys

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