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welcome back ladies and gentlemen to Kultish entering

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the Kingdom of the Kults. My name is

2:14

Jeremiah Roberts, one of the co-host here. Very

2:17

super excited. Anders, good to have

2:19

you back, man, coming from Utah. Yeah,

2:23

man, I'm glad to be back and soon you're going to be out

2:25

here hanging out with me for a little bit. So

2:27

that's going to be fun. I'm super excited we're going

2:29

to be doing some stuff collaborating with the podcast up

2:31

there, talking about exorcisms and all that sort of stuff.

2:34

We're really looking forward to that. But

2:36

for now, I'm very excited. I've got my good friend

2:38

Sandeep in the studio. How are you doing, man? Doing

2:41

good. Good. Glad to be

2:43

here. Yeah, it's crazy, man. So we're going to be

2:45

talking about Hinduism and it's very interesting because I don't

2:47

know how I ended up following you. I've been following

2:50

you for a couple of years. Tell

2:52

everyone about your Facebook. You're kind of on

2:54

Facebook. You've got a page there. What's it called?

2:57

So currently, I'm mostly

3:00

on Facebook. My page name

3:02

is I am an ex-Hindu Brahmin. Brahmin

3:06

because a lot of people

3:08

have hearts. Why did you put Brahmin at the

3:10

end? Brahmin means I come from the highest caste.

3:13

There are four caste. So

3:15

basically, I'm on Facebook and then I recently joined

3:18

on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah.

3:20

Yeah. So you're just getting started.

3:22

So I'm glad to have you here and I really want to

3:24

get into your story. We're going to be doing

3:26

a couple of episodes with you. So

3:29

you grew up in India for

3:31

the majority of your life. What

3:33

part of India were you born in? From

3:36

the northern east part, from

3:38

the state with Bengal, I

3:41

come from Durgapur. It's

3:43

close to Calcutta. So

3:47

Calcutta used to be the capital of India

3:49

before, I believe, 1912. The

3:53

British, the main hub

3:55

was in Calcutta. Okay. Yeah.

3:58

So no, it's interesting man. And so just take

4:00

us back into like the world of India.

4:03

So we did a series about a year

4:05

or so ago with our good friend brother

4:07

Daniel Steven Kearney who's an active

4:09

missionary kind of over in the Nepal area. So he's

4:11

had a lot of experience in that part of the

4:13

world. And that documentary got

4:15

to the New Age. You know, we watched a

4:17

little bit of last night. I think there's a

4:20

similar story to that where a

4:22

lot of the New Age practices that we

4:24

will talk about in later episodes, whether it's

4:27

yoga, chakra alignment, transcendental

4:29

meditation, all of these things have

4:32

their origins in India specifically Hinduism.

4:34

And he is talking about the

4:36

gods of the New Age like

4:38

Kali, Krishna, Vishnu. I

4:42

feel we've always heard about these things in passing

4:44

but I don't think too many people have actually

4:46

seen how they're truly interconnected with

4:48

the Hindu scriptures. So you've got a couple

4:50

of things there. So

4:52

what would you say first of all, if you just define

4:54

terms, what are kind of like the sacred books or the

4:56

sacred texts? So we have the Bible as

4:59

Christians. What are the sacred texts that

5:01

you saw too like growing up in India?

5:05

So when it comes to Hinduism, like you said,

5:07

when it comes to yoga, meditation,

5:10

Kundalini, specifically

5:12

these three things, India is

5:15

the capital, world's yoga capital.

5:17

Everyone knows that. When it

5:20

comes to scriptures, Hinduism is

5:22

vast. It's really complicated.

5:26

Like in Christianity, we have the Bible,

5:28

we have the Old Testament, the New

5:30

Testament, very easy. You know, when

5:33

it comes to Hinduism, there is Vedas. That's

5:37

the most sacred which any

5:40

Hindu, if you ask, they always say Vedas.

5:42

Go to the Vedas. What does

5:44

the Vedas say? Then we

5:46

have the Mahabharata. Mahabharata

5:49

is a story basically, a

5:51

fight, a war between cousins

5:55

actually, Kauravas and the

5:57

Pandavas and then Krishna

6:00

is having a dialogue.

6:02

with a person called Arjuna.

6:06

And then from Mahabharata the book six

6:08

is the Bhagavad Gita which is you

6:10

know if you go to Hare Krishna

6:12

they have two main scriptures in their

6:15

website if you search is the Bhagavad

6:17

Gita which is the part of Mahabharata

6:20

and then we have the Bhagavata

6:22

Puran. So these two are

6:24

the most important for Hare Krishna. And

6:27

then we have many others we have 18 major

6:30

Purans and then 18 minor

6:32

Purans. We have the

6:34

Ramayana which is a story of

6:36

the God Rama. You know when you chant

6:38

the mantra Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Rama

6:41

Rama, Hare Hare, you know all these

6:43

mantra. So Rama comes

6:46

from Ramayana and then we have

6:49

Dharmasutras. So

6:51

there are a lot of scriptures here. Yeah,

6:54

Andrew off the get go, what would be questions

6:56

that you have? Like I know for me I'm

6:58

wondering at least for myself I think

7:00

okay well and maybe this is for you and also

7:02

for you Andrew is that I would think okay what

7:04

would be the contrast if in like Old and New

7:06

Testament you have parts of the

7:08

Bible that talks about you know our doctrine

7:11

like salvation like a Pauline epistle where

7:13

he writes with a lot of different

7:15

theological issues and you have

7:18

things that are just stories like King

7:20

Solomon, King David. You

7:22

have God's interaction with Israel like his

7:24

covenant relationship with him. But

7:27

I'm just wondering like how is it contrast? What

7:29

are the actual content in relation to like the

7:31

Hindu scriptures? Andrew what would be

7:33

your thoughts? Do you have any thoughts just or

7:35

questions you would have or Sandeep regarding the different

7:37

Hindu scriptures that he mentioned? Yeah

7:40

let me just add on to it too.

7:42

Is there different sects that focus on different

7:44

scriptures right or like maybe different castes focus

7:46

on different scriptures just to add on to

7:49

what Jerry was asking? Yeah

7:51

so like there are

7:54

four castes in Hinduism there are Brahmins

7:56

there are Shatriyas there are Vashas there

7:58

are Shudras. And there

8:00

is another, the lowest caste, the

8:02

fifth caste, that is the Chandalas

8:05

in Sanskrit term, it is

8:07

called Chandalas. So anyone

8:09

who calls themselves Hindus, the Vedas

8:12

are the most important, always

8:14

the Vedas. And then there

8:17

is the second, if you would ask me,

8:19

I would say the Bhagavad Gita, which is

8:21

seen as kind of a national book in

8:23

India. So Vedas and

8:25

the Bhagavad Gita and

8:27

also the Purans. A lot of mantras,

8:31

when the gurus, the chand, it

8:33

also comes from like Shri Puran,

8:36

Brahma Puran, the Puranas

8:39

also. But first, always the Vedas.

8:42

So the Vedas then have a lot of,

8:44

I would say, maybe like liturgy as far

8:46

as different outlines of how to do certain

8:49

chants and mantras to get to

8:51

like a higher state of consciousness. Because we were at the

8:53

Hindu temple a couple days ago,

8:55

and you know, we heard them in the

8:57

background as we were talking with a couple

8:59

of the Hare Kṛṣṇas there, they are doing

9:01

their mantras and rants. So that's what really

9:03

the Vedas would consist of. Yeah, yeah. So

9:05

the Vedas are basically

9:09

like Hindus, they believe that the Vedas

9:12

are a talk

9:14

between the Hindu gods and which

9:16

was told to

9:18

the Hindu sages, the

9:21

gurus. And later

9:23

on it was written. So

9:25

it basically talks about rituals,

9:27

a lot of rituals, how

9:29

ancient India, the rituals is

9:32

to be practiced. The Rig

9:34

Veda is the most important among

9:36

the four Vedas. The Rig Veda,

9:38

the Sama Veda, Yajur Veda, Atharva

9:40

Veda. But the Rig Veda is

9:42

seen as the oldest of all.

9:45

And it is believed that it is

9:47

millions of years old. But we will

9:49

get to that point. Yeah. And

9:52

go ahead, Andrew. So what

9:54

was it like growing up in

9:57

India within the caste that you're in?

10:00

start for your education about

10:02

the Vedas and

10:04

things of that nature. Like you know growing up here

10:06

in America I was going

10:08

to church every Sunday with

10:11

my parents at a very young age you

10:13

know learning about the Bible from the pastor

10:15

preaching. So how does that work within Hinduism?

10:19

Yeah that's a very interesting

10:21

question. So when it

10:23

comes to Hindus and Christians here is

10:25

one major difference. If you go to

10:27

any temple in India, any temple you

10:30

won't find Hindu script people

10:33

are reading the Vedas when they are

10:35

inside the temple you know or even

10:38

like inside the temple you know you will understand

10:40

that they are really like they call themselves Hindus

10:42

that's why they are inside the temple like Christians

10:44

who are in the inside the church at least

10:48

they open the scripture we open the

10:50

scripture we read the scriptures you know.

10:54

So I come from the Brahmin

10:57

caste from the very childhood

10:59

from the very younger age I started

11:01

doing remember when I was in

11:04

school third grade fourth

11:06

grade I started doing yoga.

11:10

Yoga is like the first thing you

11:12

do when you are like

11:14

you the first thing you get to know about

11:16

Hinduism is yoga and so

11:19

I started doing yoga with

11:22

my dad we have a big temple in

11:24

our own house so the

11:26

whole street where I leave there is

11:28

to come to our house for every

11:30

single year once a time for worship.

11:33

Our house is to lead the

11:35

worship for the entire street so there

11:37

is to be hundreds of people inside

11:40

our house and to this very day

11:42

we have the temple and my dad

11:44

still worships

11:46

in the temple and I have seen

11:48

since childhood you know my

11:51

dad waking up early morning six

11:53

o'clock taking a shower and

11:55

then starting to

11:57

worship you know so I've grown up. In

12:00

a very religious family, from

12:02

my mother's family

12:05

side, there

12:07

are many priests and they

12:10

are not small, like

12:12

no one knows them. Everyone knows

12:14

they are very prominent priests in the

12:17

city. My

12:19

mom comes from also a Brahmin

12:21

caste. In Hinduism, you

12:23

have to marry someone who is from the

12:26

same caste. Everyone cannot

12:28

marry someone who is from the lower caste,

12:30

the Shudras. It will be a disaster. You

12:32

can't just do that. So my

12:34

dad comes from a Brahmin caste, from his

12:36

father's side. My

12:40

mother comes from a same

12:43

caste, Brahmin caste. Yeah. Well,

12:45

so your very first memory then is practicing

12:48

yoga, like doing the yoga poses,

12:51

but specifically like worship poses.

12:53

So a lot of what we see here in the west,

12:55

whether it's the... The masana or...

12:58

The different yoga poses, like these are... This

13:01

is what you're doing on a regular basis. What

13:03

other aspects is it like in day and

13:06

day life of your experience? Growing

13:08

up outside of yoga, was there different

13:10

aspects of meditation? Were there just certain

13:13

sacred holy sites? Were there certain temples that you visit

13:15

on a regular basis? Take us more into that if

13:17

you could. Yeah. So

13:19

in India, you would find temples everywhere. Every

13:22

street has a temple. So

13:24

growing up in India, I remember

13:26

my uncle, we used

13:28

to do meditation together.

13:32

We used to wake up early morning. We

13:34

used to do the pranayama. Pranayama

13:37

is, as you know, it's the breathing exercise.

13:40

You know, it's seen as something which the

13:42

gods did. So we do it and

13:44

it makes you more healthy. So

13:48

from very childhood, I do yoga. I

13:51

did meditation. We

13:53

used to go to our nearby temple. I

13:55

remember it was a Kali temple. There

13:58

is also a Shiva temple. So,

14:00

from very childhood, I used to

14:02

go with my parents inside

14:05

the temple. We used to have rituals,

14:07

we used to worship bow our heads

14:09

to the Hindu gods. And

14:13

then when our family was together, together inside

14:16

the house, we used

14:18

to always do it in

14:21

a very conservative Hindu way.

14:24

We used to take pride a lot

14:26

in our caste specifically, because caste straight

14:28

comes out from the Rig Veda, which

14:30

is the oldest of all Hindu scriptures.

14:34

It was very religious, my upbringing. I

14:37

took a huge, huge pride on

14:39

my caste. So, you

14:42

were the highest caste? The highest caste is

14:44

the Brahmin caste. And I took

14:46

huge pride. I remember when I used to be

14:48

with my friends or my families outside

14:51

the house. So I

14:53

had the highest ritual before

14:56

anyone becomes a priest in Hinduism

14:58

is called Upanayana. Upanayana

15:00

is like you have a bald head

15:02

like we saw in the temple.

15:05

Most of the gurus you will find in India is

15:07

like having a bald head and a little hair at

15:10

the back. So, I did

15:12

all of those when I was around age 14.

15:15

So, I had a white

15:18

thread around my body. So

15:20

I used to brag about it. I used

15:22

to boast on my caste that I'm from

15:24

the Brahmin caste. And once I remember, I

15:26

would like to share this. My

15:29

neighbor is from the lower caste. So,

15:34

they are from the Shudra, the lowest. So

15:38

once, like in India, like

15:40

here, when we meet someone, we

15:42

greet as we hug the person, we shake

15:45

hand. Back in India, like

15:47

if you greet someone, you either

15:49

bow down or you touch their

15:52

feet. So

15:55

I remember my neighbor, she's

15:57

an old lady. So I

15:59

touched her feet. my mom saw that and

16:01

so you know when I got

16:04

inside house she asked me what did you

16:06

do I said what I

16:09

said you touch the feet of that lady

16:11

I said yeah she's old lady and and you

16:13

know we know each other for decades so

16:15

what's wrong like so she she

16:17

was really angry on me like we

16:19

are the Brahmins do you know if

16:21

someone sees from our relatives or from

16:23

the society what would they think we

16:25

are Brahmins we don't touch their feet

16:27

they touch our feet yeah we don't

16:29

touch their feet and and now

16:33

people who many Hindus would say okay

16:36

these are like these were

16:39

invented by men but

16:41

again it straight comes out from the

16:43

Hindu scriptures the Gautama Dharmasutra it's one

16:46

of the very important scripture and

16:48

over there it's mentioned that the gurus

16:50

can be worshipped also like God equal

16:53

to God it's all connected and

16:56

or what do you think of so far what's in your mind it

16:58

just reminds me of Jesus washing the feet

17:00

of the disciples like we have God in

17:03

the flesh washing the feet serving coming to

17:05

serve which is an awesome thing about Christianity

17:07

be quite a question for you Sandy

17:09

when you're doing these rituals and meditations

17:12

or breathing exercises when you were younger did

17:14

you have if you look back at it

17:16

now did you have any paranormal

17:19

experiences like experiences

17:22

of altered consciousness or maybe some

17:25

type of spirit or entity trying

17:27

to influence you in any way

17:29

yeah so when I used to

17:31

I remember when I used to

17:34

do meditation and

17:36

yoga in school and also in home I

17:39

remember I used to wake up early morning

17:41

like I said with my uncle we used

17:43

to do a meditation together I felt

17:49

nothing actually it didn't like

17:51

I like it

17:53

works different to with other

17:55

person like there are many

17:57

different experiences everyone has different

17:59

experiences When I

18:01

used to do, I remember, like, you know,

18:03

we do meditation, like any Hindu,

18:06

if you ask, why do you do meditation?

18:08

How does it benefit you? The

18:10

answer, which he will say, is

18:12

that I do meditation because to

18:17

feel a different kind of peace,

18:19

you know, or different, like, for

18:22

health purpose, you know, specifically, it

18:24

makes me more healthy. And

18:27

it gives you a peace which you

18:29

can get from nowhere, actually.

18:32

It's a peace which is

18:35

equivalent to, like, you know,

18:38

the realm of gods, you know. But

18:41

when I used to do meditation, I

18:43

actually felt nothing. I felt like, I

18:45

remember, I mean, I used to do

18:47

it because, you know, as Brahmins, as

18:49

Hindu, you do these things. You should

18:51

do it. I mean, if

18:53

you don't do yoga, if you're against yoga,

18:56

I mean, you can't call yourself as Hindu.

18:58

So I felt

19:01

nothing, actually. I felt like it's a

19:03

useless thing. But I still

19:05

did it because, you know, we are

19:07

Hindus, we are Brahmins, we take pride on

19:09

these things. Yeah. Yeah.

19:12

Well, let me ask you this, too. Like, in conjunction with that,

19:15

there's a hierarchy of sort

19:17

of gods within Hinduism. You

19:19

hear a lot of names

19:21

like Krishna, Vishnu, Kali. It's

19:24

a plethora. And so, I mean, for

19:26

even for me, and for the person who's on the outside

19:28

looking in, like, how do you distinguish one from the other?

19:30

Like, who would be, who's

19:33

like the head honcho when it comes to the top

19:35

god in Hinduism? It's always

19:37

Shiva. Shiva. It's

19:40

always Shiva. And then if you ask me, who

19:42

is the second one, it's Krishna. Krishna.

19:44

And then we have Vishnu.

19:48

And then also Brahma. There is a

19:50

trinity in Hinduism also. It

19:53

comes out from straight from the Hindu scripture

19:55

again. It's called Brahma, the

19:57

creator. The Vishnu is the preserver.

20:00

who is running this whole world

20:03

and then we have Shiva

20:05

the destroyer and it

20:08

again comes out from straight from the

20:10

Shiv Puran which literally says that Shiva

20:12

is the destroyer he will

20:14

destroy this world you know when he

20:16

comes but

20:18

in in female goddesses we

20:20

have Kali on the top

20:24

now she has many forms there

20:27

is Durga there

20:30

is Ganga Saraswati these

20:33

are also rivers by the way in

20:35

India Ganga is you know the most

20:37

holiest river in India it

20:39

comes out from the Bhagavata

20:41

Puran all of these

20:43

names so right you know isn't that river one that we

20:45

were talking with will the other night at dinner that's

20:48

the one that's the most famous one where

20:50

everyone goes there to wash mm-hmm have you

20:52

been there have you partaken that yep I

20:54

have been like yeah

20:57

so Ganga is when

20:59

you read Bhagavata Puran Shrimad

21:02

Bhagavata Puran in

21:04

one of the chapter it

21:06

says that Ganga Saraswati these

21:09

these goddesses they they are

21:11

like really kind

21:14

of a person and they fought with each

21:16

other and they cursed each other and

21:19

so Saraswati one of the

21:21

goddess she cursed Ganga

21:23

to become a river why so

21:25

that everyone's sin can be washed

21:27

away in the in that river

21:29

when they take a you know

21:31

bath that's why in India

21:34

there are festivals like Kumbh Mela which you

21:36

see in the Gods of the New Age

21:38

in that video people

21:41

taking bath in

21:43

that river having

21:45

in mind that it will wash away

21:47

my sins and here is

21:49

the most funny part Ganga is the most

21:51

polluted river one of the most

21:54

I think it's the most if I'm wrong

21:56

maybe a second or third is the most

21:58

polluted river in the on earth earth is

22:00

the most polluted you know so

22:03

I remember when I went with my dad

22:05

to the most to

22:07

the most prominent temple for Shiva

22:09

it's called the Baitinadham it's in

22:12

the northern part of India yeah

22:14

we took bath in that Ganga

22:16

River so it flows all

22:19

over India it's connected so

22:21

I remember taking a deep

22:23

in in the river what's

22:25

the what's the smell like there it's

22:28

horrible because you see the river

22:30

is like yellowish at

22:33

the same time in the river

22:35

people throw dirt people throw ashes

22:37

like in Hinduism when you die

22:39

you burn the body and

22:41

you know so they throw the

22:44

ashes that that's not right right

22:46

I mean you throw a human

22:49

body parts in

22:52

on the river and that

22:55

pollutes the river we know and so I

22:58

was actually just gonna ask is

23:00

that the same river where I believe it's

23:02

the lowest the lowest cast is the one

23:04

that deals and burns the dead bodies and

23:07

then they throat that's the river you're speaking

23:09

of later the river upstream we have people

23:11

been washing in the same river

23:13

where ashes are disposed of um

23:15

question so do you all casts get

23:17

burned in thrown into the river do

23:19

you all bodies end up in the

23:21

river or do you are there different

23:24

ways to dispose bodies so

23:27

all cast in Hinduism the

23:30

body should be burned for every

23:32

cast when my grandfather died so

23:35

we burned the body and then the

23:37

ashes were thrown by the lower cast

23:39

like you said the higher cast never

23:41

does that job it's always the lower

23:43

cast who does all the hard

23:46

work all the

23:48

like lower jobs and

23:50

all for the in the city it's

23:52

all done by the shooters the lower

23:54

cast so the ashes were my grandfather's

23:57

ashes it was thrown in in

24:00

the river. Yeah. Yeah.

24:02

So you kind of have like, given that you're

24:04

the top caste system, you kind of have like

24:06

sort of like a VIP, getting bottle service, champagne

24:08

bottle experience, you know. Absolutely.

24:11

Absolutely. Yeah. What

24:13

about, so you're talking to also, and you said there's lots

24:16

and lots of temples and you're

24:18

on the highest caste, part of the caste system,

24:20

but there's different temples dedicated to different gods. We

24:22

imagine just a few of them. In

24:25

terms of what takes place, and I'll

24:28

just jump in here in a second to kind of

24:30

get your thoughts too, but in terms of the different

24:32

types of temples, the

24:34

ones that are dedicated to for

24:36

example like Brahman, like versus Shiva

24:38

for example, is there something

24:40

specific that would take place in the temple

24:42

dedicated to one Hindu god like over the

24:44

other? And what specifically

24:47

like takes place in those

24:49

temples regarding rituals, depending on like the different type of

24:51

temple and the different type of god? Right.

24:55

So, in India, the most of the temples

24:57

in India you'd see are dedicated to the

25:00

god Shiva, mostly all

25:03

of the temples and when it comes to goddesses,

25:05

it's Kali. These are the number

25:07

ones and then also we have Krishna temples everywhere,

25:11

but Shiva is the most

25:13

prominent. But here is the interesting part.

25:17

The gods which we find in, like

25:19

I was telling you before, the Hinduism

25:22

has developed over the time. The

25:24

gods names which you find in the

25:26

Vedas, the earliest

25:30

Vedas which everyone, all Hindus believe

25:32

is the Rig Veda, we don't

25:34

find the name Shiva over

25:36

there. We find other names, we

25:39

find Varuna which is a god and

25:41

it has no temple in India. We find

25:43

Indra. Indra is a

25:46

cosmic god. All

25:48

over the Vedas there is Indra

25:50

name mentioned everywhere, literally everywhere, but

25:52

you don't find Indra temple

25:55

like so much in India. Then

25:58

there is Brahma. then

26:00

we don't find any temple dedicated to

26:02

Brahma. So inside this

26:05

temple like Shiva temple we

26:08

find Shiva name mostly coming out

26:10

from the Puranas which were later

26:13

written and so Hinduism

26:15

developed over time. Inside

26:18

the temples obviously you read the

26:20

mantras, Om, Bhur,

26:22

Bhu, Vaishva, these are the kind of

26:24

mantras little bit which comes from the

26:26

Vedas. So you

26:28

do Shiva rituals which are dedicated

26:31

only for Shiva but many Hindus

26:33

would say all are one and

26:36

Brahma is Vishnu, Vishnu is Shiva,

26:39

Shiva is Vishnu. But

26:41

here is the question if that's

26:43

the case then why in when

26:47

someone goes to a Shiva temple why

26:49

no one says Krishna bless me you

26:52

know why don't they chant Krishna mantras

26:54

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna. You

26:56

don't chant that you chant a mantra

26:58

which is dedicated to Shiva. So

27:01

these are all different gods there

27:05

are 33 million gods. Did

27:08

different castes focus on different gods

27:10

like did your family have a

27:12

particular favorite god that you guys

27:14

worshipped? Yeah we did

27:17

have and my favorite god

27:20

was Shiva. My

27:22

dad's also Shiva and in

27:25

my entire family we mostly

27:28

worship Shiva and Kali and

27:31

Krishna this three we worship

27:33

the man. Yeah

27:36

what's I'm kind of wondering like what

27:39

is drug like use over

27:42

there like hallucinogenics people taking

27:45

substances like let's say marijuana

27:48

or alcohol mushrooms

27:51

what is there anything like that going

27:53

on in India? Is it related in

27:55

terms of trying to have like psychedelic

27:58

experiences and connections to gods? A

28:00

very nice question again. A

28:04

lot of that goes on in India.

28:06

If you go to ashrams in India

28:08

in many places like Rishikesh, Varanasi,

28:12

Mayapuri, you would see people

28:14

taking like weed

28:17

to have a different experience and again

28:20

many Hindus will say that that doesn't come

28:22

from the scriptures. It's the people who are

28:24

doing it and gods didn't say this to

28:27

do. But again if you open the Vedas,

28:29

here is what everyone should do. If you

28:31

open the Vedas you would see Soma. Soma

28:34

was a hallucinating plant.

28:38

So India is connected to

28:40

the Indus Valley civilization which

28:42

stretched from what we know

28:44

as modern Pakistan, little

28:47

toward Iran and that

28:49

side and obviously the

28:52

Indian region. So there was

28:54

a, Soma was a plant

28:57

and the gods took

29:01

Soma, Sombra, and they made

29:03

it as alcohol also before

29:06

going to a war. So

29:08

they used to drink

29:11

Somraash before

29:13

going to the war, to win the

29:15

war. So a lot of these are

29:17

connected to Hinduism and in any Shiva

29:20

temple like my father, my

29:22

dad still goes to this

29:25

temple by Dinnat Dham which is

29:27

mentioned in Shippuran. It's

29:29

so important. So

29:31

in Shiva temples if you

29:33

go you will find people

29:36

giving weed in front of

29:38

the Shiva idol under the feet

29:41

of Shiva like an

29:43

offering, you know, because it is

29:45

believed that Shiva roamed around forest

29:48

smoking weed. So it's

29:51

very much connected. All the Shiva devotees

29:53

you will find in India like in

29:55

big ashrams like real Shiva devotees they

29:57

do all those. stuffs.

30:00

Yeah. What's um I'm pulling

30:02

up like a picture right here. I just

30:05

looked up Shiva statue India. Yeah. So

30:07

do you recognize that? Yeah. In the

30:09

southern part of India. It's a very

30:12

prominent famous place where a lot of

30:14

Westerners here. So right and

30:17

so if anyone pulls up in any Google image

30:19

of the statue Shiva what's specifically

30:21

when you see the symbolism right that the

30:24

symbol and there's meaning behind that and there's

30:26

also you know spiritual component behind that as

30:28

well too which we'll talk about but

30:30

like what's being depicted like if someone sees it

30:32

as a Hindu like I just say oh that's

30:35

just a religious you know statue people are going

30:37

to but as far as you

30:39

when you were a Hindu Brahmin when you're

30:41

growing up in this caste system you see

30:43

that or any of the statues of Shiva

30:45

like what's being depicted within those statues. Right.

30:48

So when it comes to Shiva like

30:50

I was telling you before the Shiva

30:52

is the number one when it comes

30:54

to yoga. Yeah. Like the

30:56

scripture even says that Shiva is

30:58

the is the number one God when

31:01

he's known as the God

31:03

of yoga the Lord of yoga. So

31:06

when it comes to Shiva idol you

31:09

would mostly find the lingam it's

31:12

like a cylindrical chef also

31:15

you'll find the Shiva the idol which

31:17

shows in Shiva is having a snake

31:20

around his neck so

31:23

it's very demonic and

31:26

it shows basically Shiva's life we

31:28

get that in Shiva Puran which

31:30

is the most important

31:32

scripture when it comes to

31:35

learn about Shiva. Yeah. It's one

31:37

of the major Puran there are

31:39

minor and major Purans so Shiva

31:41

Puran is the most important scripture for

31:44

Shiva and we get to see Shiva

31:46

roaming in forest just

31:48

you know just alone by

31:51

himself naked ashes

31:53

all over his body and

31:56

then we get this story like

31:58

if you type on Google Shiva idol you will

32:01

first see a cylindrical

32:03

shape of like a statue kind of

32:06

you know. So

32:08

that's actually believed to be

32:10

a private organ of Shiva

32:13

and people literally worship that every

32:15

single day in India. In any Shiva

32:18

temple you go you'll see that's like

32:20

a cylindrical shape statue. Yeah and that

32:22

statue a lot of people will say

32:24

that's that's

32:27

not connected to Shiva's you

32:29

know private body part but

32:31

but let's again open the

32:33

scripture if you open Shiva Puran it

32:36

literally shares over there there's a story

32:38

where Shiva is in the forest alone

32:41

and there are some women the

32:44

wives of the Hindu

32:46

gurus the priests and

32:49

then Shiva is alone and so the

32:51

wives they go and they hug Shiva

32:53

and the the

32:56

the gurus they were angry because their wives are

32:58

running after Shiva and this

33:00

is the story how the lingam worship

33:03

came actually this is the real story. So

33:07

so the gurus they curse Shiva

33:10

that the private organ would be

33:12

cut off and and it fell on the

33:14

ground and it caused destruction and

33:17

so so it's it's like

33:19

really weird story. So the

33:23

Indian scriptures describe it is like there's a

33:25

sacred nature behind the phallus of Shiva but

33:27

when I look at the when we're like

33:29

when we're at the Hindu temple the other

33:31

day the the gods

33:33

within Hinduism they seem to have a

33:35

very female and feminine aesthetic to that.

33:38

Like what's what's the difference between you look at

33:41

like the gender of like the god of the Hindu

33:43

gods like how does that how does that work because

33:45

I've just noticed there's they all have sort of feminine

33:48

character like appearances and traits

33:52

like how does that work in conjunction to what

33:54

you said about Shiva. Yeah

33:56

so the

33:58

Hindu god Vishnu He once

34:01

wanted to win over the demons, so

34:03

He changed His form, He became Mohini.

34:06

So when He became Mohini, so

34:09

that's how you get to see a

34:11

lot of Hindu idols, like we saw

34:13

Krishna looking like a feminine little bit,

34:16

because Hindus believe that every

34:19

male has a feminine character within

34:21

themselves, and they have to discover

34:23

that. And Shiva also

34:25

has that. We

34:27

can see many Shiva pictures where

34:30

one side is Parvati, Shiva's wife,

34:32

and the other side of the

34:34

body is Shiva. And

34:37

that's connected because we get to see

34:39

in Hinduism often people change their genders.

34:41

The male gods, like Vishnu, is a

34:44

male god, but he changed his gender,

34:46

he became Mohini, and Shiva ran after

34:48

Mohini, trying to hug

34:51

Mohini in front of Shiva's wife

34:53

Parvati. Parvati was standing and she

34:55

was shocked, what is my husband

34:57

doing? Because Vishnu

35:00

became a female, and the

35:02

appearance was very attractive, so

35:05

Shiva could not control his

35:07

feelings. So he

35:09

went after Mohini, who was

35:11

actually Vishnu, and Vishnu was trying to say,

35:13

what are you doing? So

35:16

Parvati, Shiva's wife was angry.

35:18

So these are the stories,

35:21

and it

35:23

all comes out from the Hindu scriptures. You know

35:25

the oldest Shiva temple, if

35:27

you type on Google, the oldest

35:29

Shiva temple is found in

35:31

the northern part of India, the

35:33

Gurdi Malam temple. In that

35:36

temple, the Shiva idol is the shape of

35:38

a phallus. You get

35:40

to see people literally, like when I went

35:42

with my dad to the Baidin Adham, the

35:45

name is found in Shiva Puran, that

35:47

temple. There are twelve most important temples

35:49

in India. In that

35:51

temple, when I went with my dad, we walked for

35:53

three days. I can

35:56

share the journey, that was horrible. Well

35:58

yeah, I never want to get into that. Let me

36:00

just real quick Andrew so why when

36:02

it comes to to as we sort of go

36:04

also talk about you're giving a lot of Context

36:07

so just the cultural and spiritual

36:09

climate in India and all the different locations

36:11

and all the different worship and heresis to

36:13

God You took a lot

36:15

of pride in the caste system, but you

36:17

also had a belief in reincarnation So

36:20

growing up which did you have just a lot

36:22

of beliefs that you had done a lot of

36:24

good you had knocked off a lot A carman

36:26

that's why you end up in the highest caste

36:28

system Like how did your belief in that sort

36:30

of play into day-to-day life just in your thinking

36:32

regarding growing up in India now? And as a

36:34

Hindu yeah, yeah, so we

36:36

every Hindu must believe in reincarnation.

36:38

That's the first thing you have

36:40

to believe So

36:43

we really believed like

36:45

I remember me and my mom

36:48

we used to often talk that we are born

36:50

as In

36:52

many occasions we used to talk when

36:54

our families together that we are Brahmins

36:56

because we did something really good in

36:58

our previous Birds and

37:01

we get to see these lower castes the shudras

37:03

or the vashas They are born

37:05

in the lower castes because in Chandogya

37:08

Upanishad It's one of the part

37:10

of the Vedas in that a

37:12

Chandogya Upanishad in the book five It

37:15

literally says that based on your karma. You will

37:17

be born in caste system

37:20

and If you're washed off all

37:22

you can be born as as a snake

37:25

as a worm as as

37:27

a lower caste the chandelas the fifth caste

37:30

Yeah, hmm Andrew. What were you gonna say? Yeah,

37:33

help me understand. This actually goes into the question I

37:35

was gonna ask like a

37:38

karmic cycle samsara birth

37:41

and rebirth Why how

37:43

does that work within the Hindu gods

37:46

like Shiva for example? It

37:48

sounds like in the stories that they're

37:50

living lives that would give them bad

37:52

karma Right. So

37:54

what's the disconnect between the human and these

37:58

Gods in terms of like a karma cycle.

38:01

How come Shiva or maybe Shiva

38:03

does, does Shiva suffer for doing

38:05

actions that Shiva should not have

38:07

done? How does that work with

38:09

regards to morality? Yeah, so samsara

38:12

is basically the cycle of

38:14

rebirth and karma.

38:16

Karma is basically what you have

38:18

done in the past, your

38:21

past deeds and it is so

38:23

much, so much connected to Hinduism.

38:25

Even the gods are under

38:28

that judgment basically, if

38:30

anyone opens Bhagavata Purana,

38:33

in the book 6, in

38:37

the book says chapter 10, it

38:39

literally says that even gods cannot

38:42

escape that. So, who are

38:45

we? It is so hopeless. So,

38:48

like I was telling the Ganga, the story

38:51

of Ganga, how Ganga became the holiest river

38:53

in India, it comes out from the Bhagavata

38:55

Purana, over there Ganga

38:57

was cursed by another female

38:59

deity to become a river

39:01

so that she can take

39:05

everyone's sin, the sin of the

39:07

entire earth. So, that's why people

39:09

take a deep in the river

39:11

Ganga and things that they are

39:13

getting purified from their sin. But

39:15

here is one most important

39:19

thing, no matter how

39:21

much yoga you do, you know, yoga

39:23

is seen as something

39:25

like so much, the

39:28

center of Hinduism actually, what we know

39:30

as yoga today, it straight comes out

39:32

from the Hinduism. No

39:35

matter how much yoga you do, no matter

39:37

how much meditation you do, you

39:40

can never get rid of the

39:42

karmic cycle. Karmic cycle is basically

39:45

you take rebirth again and again

39:47

and again and again till the

39:49

point you're all past deeds,

39:51

the scene of your past, you

39:54

know, gets exhausted, like gets burnt,

39:56

you know, and I just like

39:58

to. This is Bhagavad

40:01

Gita, the second most important book when

40:03

it comes to Hinduism. In

40:12

book 4, there are 18 books, there are

40:14

18 chapters. In

40:27

verse 22, it literally says, as

40:29

a person puts on new garments,

40:32

giving up old ones, the

40:36

soul similarly accepts new material

40:39

bodies, giving up the old

40:41

and useless ones. So, it's

40:43

like how you change clothes,

40:45

every single day, that's how

40:48

the Hindu life is basically. You die,

40:50

you again take a birth based

40:53

on your karma. And even the gods are

40:56

under their judgment, like Bhagavad Gita. Go

40:58

ahead. Go quick. What

41:02

is the thought process like living in

41:04

India and knowing that not everyone lives

41:07

in India and there's people that live in America

41:09

that aren't living in a caste system at all?

41:13

And what would be the

41:15

thought process on their rebirth?

41:17

How come they're in America?

41:20

Is it looked upon like they're in the

41:22

lower of the lowest classes because they're not

41:24

even within a class system to understand? Simsara,

41:27

how does that work? Now

41:31

people in the West who practices yoga,

41:35

they might not call themselves from

41:39

any particular caste but

41:42

the followers of Krishna always

41:45

represent themselves from the Shatriya

41:47

caste. And that's why as

41:49

you remember when we went inside the temple,

41:51

the guy said, I changed my name. My

41:53

name is a different name because when you

41:55

become a devotee of Krishna, you change your

41:58

name and you accept a different name. different

42:00

name which the temple gives you. Mostly

42:03

in India, places like Rishikesh,

42:06

Varanasi, these are the

42:08

Mayapur specifically. The

42:11

headquarter of Iskorn, the

42:13

Krishna consciousness is in Mayapur,

42:15

the state

42:18

from where I belong from actually. Over

42:21

there they all get new names like Dasa. Dasa

42:24

is like the servant of the God

42:26

Krishna. So they believe that they are

42:28

from the Shatriya caste and

42:30

Shatriya caste does the work

42:33

of the Shatriya actually. In

42:36

Shrimad Bhagavatam, in book 6, 10

42:39

it says that

42:43

the best way to die if you

42:45

are a Hindu, if you are a believer in Hindu,

42:47

the best way to die is either you read the

42:50

Vedas like before you die for your

42:52

death and you chant and you die or else

42:54

you die in a battlefield. It

42:56

literally says in the scripture. Did

43:00

you have a special name? I

43:03

didn't have a special name. I always

43:05

took pride in my name itself.

43:07

It's a good name. I like it.

43:09

Sandeep. Sandeep and my

43:12

last name is Agasti. We

43:14

are Kannekub's Brahmins, northern part.

43:16

We belong from the most

43:18

conservative Hindu state in

43:20

India called Uttar Pradesh. Like

43:24

Andrew was saying one thing that what about

43:26

the Americans who practice yoga? Are

43:30

they related to any re-inconnexion? Something like

43:32

that you said. Yeah,

43:34

like anyone in America in general, say

43:36

someone who doesn't even practice Hinduism. How

43:39

are they viewed from India? What

43:42

did they do to deserve not even

43:45

knowing about Hinduism? Yeah,

43:48

so Hindus who are looking at

43:51

these Americans who are doing yoga, they

43:53

really laugh when a

43:57

lot of Americans they say or the people from

43:59

the West. they say, I do yoga but

44:01

I don't follow Hinduism, I

44:04

just do this for my health.

44:06

You are doing something which is

44:08

so much in

44:11

the center of Hinduism. Hinduism is nothing

44:13

without yoga and yoga is nothing without

44:15

Hinduism. What we know as yoga today,

44:17

I am talking about this yoga which

44:19

we know of today, yoga is nothing

44:21

without Hinduism. So people who just do

44:24

yoga, I would

44:26

say you are not really doing yoga

44:28

because when you do yoga you have

44:31

to read the scriptures. You have to

44:33

accept that Shiva is the gifter of

44:36

all these asanas. So we

44:38

are actually going to get into that in depth

44:40

in another episode we do with you. So

44:42

people will see that it is not just

44:45

stretches, it is not just poses but it

44:47

is incontrovertibly interconnected

44:49

with the Hindu scriptures

44:52

and the adherence to the gods

44:54

within Hinduism. I can't wait to get into

44:56

that. Just real quickly as we are kind

44:58

of working towards the end of our first

45:00

part, we are going to get into a little

45:02

bit more of your testimony in part 2. But

45:05

the ritual, doing rituals was

45:08

a big part of that including journeys.

45:10

You did talk about for example, you

45:12

did this sort of pilgrimage,

45:14

you know in Islam they do the trips

45:16

to the pilgrimage to Mecca. You

45:18

did a pilgrimage with your

45:21

dad in your younger years. Take us

45:23

into it, tell everyone that story that you were

45:25

showing me last night. Yeah, so like

45:27

the Muslims they go to Mecca, that is

45:29

the most holiest place for

45:32

the Muslims. For Hindus,

45:34

I didn't go to just a

45:36

regular temple, there are so many

45:38

thousands of Shiva temples but I

45:40

went to Baidinadham and Baidinadham

45:42

is one of the

45:45

twelve Jyoti lingas. Jyoti lingas

45:47

means the most important places

45:49

for the Hindu god Shiva

45:52

and the name Baidinadham is even found

45:54

in one of the Hindu scriptures in

45:56

the Puranas. the

46:00

whole journey from our home to

46:03

that temple is

46:05

around I would say like 60 miles. So we, me

46:10

and my dad, we walked down outside

46:13

like we started our journey barefoot

46:16

having like a I

46:19

would say like 10

46:21

pounds of jars like

46:24

a container on our

46:26

shoulder and like if you

46:30

type images or like if

46:32

you try to search the

46:34

devotees of Shiva they

46:36

wear like a orange color

46:39

clothing. So we had all those in

46:41

our clothing on us me and my

46:43

dad and we started our journey to

46:46

Baidinadham. It was around four days journey

46:48

barefoot. I remember walking

46:53

till 50 miles and thousands and

46:55

thousands of people walking in

46:58

that crowd you know hoping that

47:01

Shiva would answer their prayers and

47:04

deliver from their you

47:06

know sufferings and after

47:08

walking 50 miles I could not

47:11

do it anymore because you cross mountains

47:14

you know where you have rocks

47:16

you know it's not a smooth

47:18

surface you cross rivers so after

47:21

50 miles I

47:23

told my dad I can't walk anymore you know

47:25

it's too much for me. How old were you

47:27

at this time? I was around 14. 14? I

47:30

was around 14. When you get to the

47:32

breaking point how many

47:35

miles have you gotten? 50 miles.

47:39

50 miles. 14 years

47:41

old barefoot. Barefoot all

47:43

barefoot having two containers we

47:45

took a dip in the in the

47:47

river Ganga you know after

47:49

we reached the place called Sultan Ganj

47:53

and then from there we take two

47:55

containers on our shoulder and

47:58

each has the water and the water.

48:00

the Ganga water from the river Ganga

48:02

and we carry on our shoulder and

48:04

we are walking shouting Haribo

48:08

you know Shiva's name

48:11

you know Harhar Mahadev

48:13

and all of these things

48:15

and we are shouting me and my dad

48:18

and thousands of other people walking day and

48:20

night we so I literally walked like two

48:23

and a half day like day and night you

48:25

know we slept a little bit for four hours

48:27

then we again got up at

48:29

night and we started walking and I told my

48:31

dad I can't do it anymore and

48:34

my dad and my dad told me I

48:36

remember he was like don't you see thousands

48:38

of these people are walking and

48:40

we are doing this to please Shiva I mean he

48:44

you know literally he you know that's why

48:46

people are walking yeah and

48:48

my feet was bleeding even so

48:50

we you know I put like

48:53

a cloth around my feet but

48:56

my dad was just not listening you know

48:58

and he even to this very day from

49:00

past almost I would say like 10 years

49:03

he's he's doing

49:05

that you know he goes alone now because I

49:07

don't go with him anymore

49:09

so he goes alone he walks

49:11

like 60 70 miles barefoot

49:14

just to reach the temple and touch

49:16

the she yeah

49:40

yes I remember after reaching home

49:42

I mean it's frustrating you

49:44

know when you reach home and my dad

49:47

even reach home he takes a break for

49:49

like one two days you know he

49:51

feels the pain and he is frustrating

49:54

at the same time you know so

49:56

so I like it almost feels

50:00

like you know like why did we

50:02

do it you know deep inside

50:04

but we we can never question that

50:06

you know because we are we are

50:08

doing this for Shiva you know but deep inside

50:11

I was not happy I mean I

50:13

mean we are suffering to just

50:15

please a God and if you see

50:17

Kumbh Mela which you see in the

50:19

gods of a new age in that video

50:21

you see thousands of people near the

50:24

near a river which is Ganga actually

50:26

these people are all barefoot if you notice

50:28

in the video they are all barefoot

50:30

right because shoes are seen as

50:32

you can't enter with shoes in

50:34

the temple yeah and ultimately

50:36

just as we were up up here the main

50:38

goal within Hinduism it's similar to a lot of

50:41

new age ideologies if you have a oneism there's

50:44

no distinction all is one all is

50:46

self everything's connected to the inner divine

50:48

like you me Krishna Shiva but

50:51

you're also trying to detach from karma

50:53

like in order to ascend so ascensions

50:55

like the one of the main final

50:57

finality that's the ultimate goal in Hinduism

50:59

to ascend right yes yes right so

51:01

my question be of that as I think

51:04

there is a challenge like how do you actually get

51:06

out of that cycle how do you actually ascend out

51:09

how do you actually ascend within a

51:11

worldview where all is one what exactly

51:13

to you send to so wherever you

51:15

go there you are does that make

51:17

sense yes there's no end in sight

51:19

so eventually I think with anyone who

51:22

goes into this type of spirituality

51:24

like it takes it whole because

51:26

like there's no way you always start where you

51:28

end up what wherever you wherever you end up

51:31

at that's where you start all over again right

51:34

yeah so like I was telling before

51:36

that most of the Hindus would say

51:38

there's no difference between Shiva or

51:41

Krishna but but here is the question

51:43

if there is no difference then why

51:46

in a Krishna temple we chant

51:48

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Hare

51:50

Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama

51:53

Rama Hare Hare so we you are taking

51:55

just the name of two gods yeah you're

51:57

not taking the names of Shiva there Harishiva

51:59

but you don't say that. So

52:02

there is obviously a distinction, there

52:04

is obviously a difference. But

52:07

again if you read the Puranas

52:09

which are like I was talking

52:11

the 18 major 18 minor Puranas

52:13

Shri Purana, Brahma Purana, Padma Purana.

52:16

In these Puranas you will see all the

52:18

gods are saying that I am the creator.

52:21

In Shri Purana Shiva is really shown

52:24

as the most superior of

52:26

all. But if you read again the

52:28

Bhagavad Gita you will see Krishna is

52:30

saying that I am the creator of

52:32

all and everything came from me. I

52:34

am the seed of everything. And

52:37

then if you open Brahma Purana you

52:40

will see Brahma is claiming that he

52:42

is the creator. So

52:46

it's really Hinduism like I was

52:48

saying is a very complicated and

52:51

a confused ideology. It's

52:54

written by men, it's

52:56

a myth. Yeah,

52:59

so when the Alon Surtur's were

53:01

up here that really kind of where you were

53:03

in spite of the rituals, in spite of the

53:05

trips you are going along with your dad these

53:07

like six to nine trips and the yoga and

53:10

the meditation and the rotation and all these Hindu

53:12

temples and even taking pride in being the highest

53:14

caste system. When it comes

53:16

down like that took a toll like it was

53:18

exhausting. You were trying to figure out like there's

53:20

no end in sight. Like where's the end game?

53:22

That was kind of the mindset? That's

53:25

the mindset. You do that till

53:28

the end of your life. And my dad like I was telling even

53:31

to this day from past 10

53:33

years or more I believe he

53:35

just goes to that place. It's

53:38

a place with millions of

53:40

devotees every single year. And

53:43

you just do that till the end of

53:45

your life. But here is the most hopeless

53:47

thing that like I was saying

53:50

Bhagavata Puran in book

53:52

6 in chapter 10 it says

53:54

that even the gods are under the judgment

53:57

of Karma. So you don't get get

53:59

free. freedom from the reincarnation

54:01

from the samsara cycle. You don't

54:03

get freedom actually. Krishna, literally in

54:06

that book Bhagavatapura, if anyone opens

54:08

Bhagavatapura book for chapter 10

54:10

it literally says at the end that

54:13

even Krishna, Vishnu

54:16

they were all under the cycle

54:20

of karma, karmic cycle. You take birth

54:22

again and again. Krishna was killed. So

54:24

even the gods that are

54:26

under this said that you're

54:28

trying to look to, to be freed from

54:30

the bondage of karma. They're under

54:32

the same bondage too. Yeah.

54:35

Yeah. Alright. Sandeep

54:37

this has been amazing. I thank

54:39

you so much for taking the time to come out here from

54:41

New Jersey. What we're going to do is we're going to wrap

54:43

up here. Obviously you're here with us.

54:46

You're not somewhere over there trying to

54:48

find the end of the karmic circle.

54:51

You're here talking with us about this. A

54:53

lot of people might be not wanting, I'm sure a lot of people

54:55

are curious like, well how did you end up coming

54:57

to know freedom and Christ out of Hinduism?

55:00

So what we're going to do is we're going to wrap up

55:02

here. We're actually going to bring you and

55:04

bring everyone into that conversation in the

55:06

next episode. So if you all have enjoyed

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