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Welcome to part two. We are talking about

1:54

Hinduism with our good friend Sandeep. Andrew, thank

1:56

you for joining us. I'll be joining you

1:58

soon up in Utah. But let's just

2:00

jump right into it. So you

2:03

were talking about all the different aspects

2:05

of Hinduism, the different temples that Shiva,

2:07

the practices, and we're going to kind

2:10

of get in those and compartmentalize pieces.

2:13

But what was the turning point for

2:15

you as far as like your

2:17

testimony? You grew up in Hinduism, but all of a sudden

2:19

something changed. You

2:22

had something you had never done before. Kind

2:24

of take us into that if you could. So

2:27

it all started in the year 2015, October,

2:29

I remember. So

2:34

I just, you know, you

2:36

were young, you messed up your

2:38

life, what young people go through.

2:41

So I was a very

2:44

prominent guy in my

2:46

friend's circle. And at

2:49

the same time I was very religious. Shiva

2:52

was my God. Anyway

2:56

so in 2015, I never, just

2:58

to let everyone know, I never been to a church before

3:00

in my life. Never. Never

3:02

stood near a church, even 200 feet near. Never.

3:08

So in 2015 I felt like going to a

3:10

church. Now I don't know why something

3:13

came inside me. I should visit

3:15

a church. And then so in

3:17

a metro station I saw a

3:20

picture of a cathedral. It's

3:23

170 years old, cathedral. So

3:26

I was like, okay, you know, so I walk

3:29

inside this church for the first time in my

3:31

life. And then so

3:33

I stood at the back. You know, I didn't go in

3:35

the front. I mean, this is not my thing. I'm

3:38

a Hindu. So I stood at

3:40

the back and I was listening to this guy. He

3:44

was sharing some things which I never heard

3:47

before. It was

3:49

about like God loves you so much that

3:51

He's ready to forgive

3:53

you no matter what you have done in your

3:56

past and even yesterday what

3:58

you have done. If you want to start. again,

4:01

he loves you that much, he

4:04

cares about you. In Hinduism there

4:08

is no verse which says that God

4:10

is telling to a repentant sinner,

4:13

someone who wants to restart his

4:15

life that your

4:17

karmas are forgiven

4:19

and I love you.

4:21

There is nothing, no verse. We never grow up

4:23

hearing these things in Hinduism.

4:25

We always believe reincarnation, the

4:28

samsara, we believe in that

4:30

we will again take birth and we are

4:32

brahmins because we did something really good in

4:35

our previous birth. That

4:37

is why in Chandogya Upanishad I was saying in

4:39

Vedas it says you are born as brahmin. So

4:42

anyway I was listening to the guy and he was

4:44

saying all of these things which I never heard before

4:46

and I stood at the back and I really liked

4:48

it. So this guy later

4:51

on we became friends and he

4:54

started inviting me to evening

4:56

service. But I

4:58

was still skeptical about

5:00

the whole thing but

5:02

I was at the same time excited and later

5:06

on I found out that he is

5:08

also a former Hindu Brahmin from the

5:11

Brahmin caste. So

5:13

I keep on going to his

5:15

place and wherever he calls me

5:18

every Sunday different churches. I

5:20

was just excited. So

5:23

he gives me a Bible for the first time in

5:25

my life. I

5:27

had a Bible in my hand. I

5:30

remember going back to my home and

5:35

by the time of 6-7 months I

5:37

believe everyone now inside the

5:39

home is already seeing me going to

5:41

church and fascinated about Jesus. But after

5:45

7 months when I went back to

5:48

home my father saw a

5:50

Bible in my bag and

5:52

that was the

5:55

time when all the problems started. He saw a Bible

5:57

in my bag. So he asked me what is this?

6:00

I said, this is a Bible, it's just a

6:02

book. You say, no, this is a

6:04

Bible. What is it

6:06

doing in your bag? And it's

6:08

too much, you know, you're going church

6:11

like kind of every Sunday, what are

6:13

you trying to do? What will the

6:15

society say? What will the relatives say?

6:17

We are Brahmins, we're not from a lower

6:19

caste. We have a

6:21

temper, what is going on? And he was

6:24

really getting angry. And I

6:26

remember that evening, I still

6:28

remember very clearly, it was my mom,

6:31

my father, my sister, we were sitting in

6:33

a room. And

6:37

we were having heated discussion, me

6:40

specifically with my dad, and he hit

6:42

me. And he was

6:44

angry, he hit me, I was like, wow. So

6:48

that was the time, you know,

6:50

he started telling me, you know, Hinduism is the

6:53

oldest religion, you know. Christianity

6:55

is just a new religion, it's just 2000 years

6:58

old. I mean, what's

7:00

going on? I mean, you like, you know,

7:02

Hinduism is a pagan ideology,

7:04

you believe in everything, kind of, you

7:06

believe in sun, you believe in moon,

7:08

it all comes from the Vedas, you

7:10

believe in rivers, cows. So

7:14

Hindus have no problem with Jesus, or

7:17

with Muhammad, with any other gods. But

7:19

the problem started when

7:22

I accepted Jesus as my only

7:24

Lord and Savior. And that

7:26

didn't happen until I opened the Hindu

7:29

scriptures. I started comparing it

7:31

with the Bible, because I

7:33

was getting questions from my family members,

7:36

from my mother's side, you know, what's

7:38

going on, you know, we are the

7:40

oldest. So that's the time when I

7:42

started going to the scriptures and the

7:44

Bible, and I saw huge, huge differences,

7:47

huge. You know, one says karma,

7:49

it's a bondage, the

7:53

samsara cycle, you know, you just take

7:55

both, again and again, and the

7:58

Bible says, you know, grace which

8:00

you don't deserve, the meaning of grace

8:03

but still God loves you. Yeah. What

8:06

would you say, because you mentioned earlier you said you had

8:08

written, when you were talking to this person from this cathedral

8:10

church, they were talking to you

8:12

about the gospel and Jesus and grace and

8:15

you said you had reservations or

8:17

skepticism. What specifically were you skeptical

8:19

about in contrast to what was

8:21

being presented to you versus your

8:23

entire upbringing? Yeah, I was skeptical

8:26

about I don't

8:29

belong in this thing, you know, so this

8:31

is just I like so I have to

8:33

have some safe distance but I

8:35

don't know I was just getting drawn to it and

8:37

here is one more thing, I had

8:40

no encounter with any missionary or you know

8:42

many Hindus would say someone gave a bag

8:44

of rice you know this is a common

8:46

thinking, lot of missionaries they accuse Christians back

8:49

in India, Christianity is like 5% we are

8:51

minorities you

8:53

know, so 80% is

8:55

Hindu, so many Hindus they accuse

8:57

Christians that you know they fool the

9:00

poor people by giving a bag of

9:02

rice, you know Mother Teresa, you know

9:05

she converted many Hindus by giving taking

9:07

care of the poor, here

9:09

is the question what's wrong in that even,

9:11

what's wrong in that even, no Hindus does

9:13

that even, no Hindus take care of their

9:16

lower caste, the poor lower caste who are

9:18

only meant to have a

9:20

job like cleaning bathrooms you know cleaning

9:23

sewage the drains and

9:25

you know all the dirty jobs

9:27

like after you know burning dead bodies

9:30

you know Brahmin doesn't do that, Brahmin

9:32

you will never see burning dead bodies

9:34

that's not the job of Brahmin, our

9:36

job was to be a priest you

9:39

know to have the highest position

9:41

in every Hindu temple if you

9:43

go you will see Brahmins, no

9:45

one from the Shudra caste are priest in that

9:48

in that congregate you know in that temple, so

9:51

yeah interesting if

9:53

you're go ahead Andrew, is the

9:55

basic view in India of

9:57

Christians like people that are Less

10:00

than or from a younger religion like

10:03

almost like the there the let's say the

10:05

highest classes knows is stuck up to The

10:08

Christian is that kind of how it works and also

10:10

when you met in the church was an actual building

10:13

Are there actual physical church buildings

10:15

out there or people like kind of secretly

10:17

meeting in homes? How

10:19

does that work? Yeah, so that that's a

10:22

very nice question. I'll say I mean so

10:24

I belong for I You know Calcutta

10:27

is near my hometown. So over

10:29

there you'd see many old cathedrals

10:32

Cathedrals like really a church

10:34

building huge So

10:36

that's the place where I first

10:38

got to know about Christ,

10:41

you know So no missionaries

10:43

involvement. I never met a missionary. We

10:45

didn't lack a bag of rice, you

10:47

know we my family was not that

10:49

poor so but

10:52

but Secret

10:54

churches are in many places in India

10:56

in the most conservative Hindu

10:59

state in India is the Uttar Pradesh where

11:01

one of I mean one of

11:03

my closest friend who is also a former

11:06

Hindu he is Like

11:09

he's serving in Uttar Pradesh where

11:13

the chief minister is Yogi

11:16

Aditya not and he's a very Hindu

11:18

nationalist guy, you know The prime

11:20

minister is also spreading Hindu nationalism

11:22

in India So I remember I

11:24

was talking to him a week

11:26

ago and he was telling me

11:28

that you know a lot of Hindus local Hindus they

11:31

came to him and they said we know where

11:33

you guys stay and you guys Are

11:36

Christians right? You're having church

11:39

meetings right evening services, so

11:42

they they So

11:44

he was telling me they are really They

11:47

like they don't go outside in the evening

11:51

Like especially the woman no

11:53

one goes after eight nine o'clock outside

11:56

Because you know, they threaten Christians

12:00

If you leave Hinduism, that's the point.

12:02

That's the problem. When you choose Jesus

12:04

as the only Lord and Savior, that's

12:07

the problem. And India ranks, a

12:09

lot of people I think don't

12:11

know that India ranks 10th or 11th, I believe,

12:14

in the most persecuted countries in the

12:18

world for Christians. So

12:21

that side of Hinduism, no one knows about.

12:25

You don't get to see that a lot in the cities,

12:28

but when you go out from the cities,

12:30

outskirts, you get to see Christians

12:33

not getting seen

12:36

as equal in the

12:38

society. Yeah, I mean that's fascinating just

12:40

because from the West, they

12:42

view India as kind of this sort

12:44

of sacred area of like mystique and

12:47

also a lot of syncreticity

12:50

of far and also just different syncretism

12:52

as far as different religions and sort

12:55

of a lot of peace and tranquility

12:57

amongst like the spirituality within India where

12:59

there's like the gurus that the spirituality

13:01

plays there, but in reality, there's

13:04

a lot of specifically intolerance towards Christians specifically.

13:06

And you see that also too, like there's

13:08

a lot of persecutions of Muslims as well

13:10

too in India. Yeah,

13:13

I would say there are

13:15

anti-conversion laws. If anyone research

13:17

about this in India, there

13:20

are anti-conversion laws in many

13:22

states in India like

13:24

Uttar Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Bihar.

13:27

There are some more other

13:29

states where there are anti-conversion

13:32

laws specifically for Christians

13:35

actually because we spread the gospel and

13:37

people like the gospel because it's something

13:39

which they never hear. I

13:41

never hear growing up something

13:44

like grace. We grow up hearing

13:47

about samsara, karmic cycle and

13:49

all. So, that's why

13:51

in Uttar Pradesh, for example, if someone,

13:53

a Hindu accuses a Christian

13:55

that he forcefully tried

13:58

to convert me by giving me Just

14:00

false accusation. Someone just going

14:02

to a police station and

14:04

saying, this Christian, this guy

14:07

bribed me. Just

14:09

a false accusation. He will be

14:11

taken to the prison. And then

14:13

later on, there are many

14:15

many Christians inside the prison for years. But

14:19

you don't get to see that in the West. Here

14:22

you see Hare Krishna dancing around on

14:24

the road and so

14:27

much freedom. Right. So going back into

14:29

your story then, you're looking at a lot of sort of

14:32

conflict of interest, at least for yourself, where you're

14:34

realizing that you're going to this

14:37

church, you've got a Bible, you're considering

14:39

Christianity and this message of grace in

14:42

contrast to the continuous cycle of

14:44

reincarnation, but also just a lot

14:46

of accolades of being in

14:48

the highest caste system. And then

14:50

obviously, like being in

14:53

a position where your father strikes you,

14:55

regardless of whatever religious backing you're from,

14:58

just the concept of that for anybody is just

15:00

like terrifying. I've ministered to people who have been

15:03

experiencing that as well too. But

15:06

was that kind of like the main catalyst then for

15:08

you to start really kind of wrestling through? Okay.

15:13

Is it truly Christianity? Is it truly Hinduism?

15:15

Is that kind of when you started like

15:17

really kind of examining the claims of Christianity

15:19

versus Hinduism? That was

15:21

the evening, I believe,

15:24

when I really started to focus on

15:27

comparing Hinduism and Christianity.

15:29

That was the time because it's

15:32

been already a year now. By

15:35

that time, like 15 to 16, I would

15:37

say a year, already so

15:39

many people are questioning me, why leave Hinduism?

15:41

We are the oldest. We

15:43

are so peaceful. Look what

15:45

the Britishers did to India. They

15:47

are Christians, right? Look what the Christians

15:50

did to India. So

15:52

again, that's a whole

15:55

misunderstanding. Obviously,

15:57

there were bad people, but there were a lot of good

15:59

missionaries who were there. built hospitals, the

16:01

first hospital, the first school in

16:03

India, the first old age home

16:06

in India were all founded by

16:08

Christian missionaries. So

16:10

that was the time I started really

16:12

digging into the Hindu scriptures, comparing

16:14

it with the Bible and then

16:16

huge differences, you know, evidence

16:19

for the Hindu gods. Was

16:21

part of that study too in hopes that maybe

16:24

the Lord might convert even your father, like having

16:27

answers to him because he probably

16:29

asked you very tough questions, I would assume. Yes,

16:33

I would say this. My mom is already

16:35

in the halfway to Christ. She

16:38

reads native language Bible.

16:41

My dad is still struggling. You know,

16:43

Hinduism is a pagan religion where you

16:45

believe everything. So he

16:48

is, he don't like, he's not angry

16:50

on me anymore, but he, I'm sure

16:52

he really hopes that which, you know,

16:54

my son comes back to Hinduism, you

16:56

know, because again, he's surrounded with Hindus,

16:59

right? You are from the

17:01

Brahmin caste, not just a lower caste.

17:03

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so you started a comparison. So what were some

17:34

of the initial contrasts that you saw between what

17:36

you grew up with and as

17:38

you began to compare the Hindu scriptures versus the Bible,

17:40

what were some of the main differences that you saw?

17:43

The main differences which I

17:46

found were like, you know,

17:48

the main two I would say was, you know,

17:51

reading the life of Krishna at

17:54

the same time, comparing it with Jesus.

17:58

So, you know, Krishna. Krishna, we

18:00

get to see in the

18:03

scripture Bhagavata Puran where Krishna

18:05

is stealing women's

18:08

clothing when

18:12

they are taking shower in the river, like

18:14

when they are taking bath in

18:16

the river, Krishna is stealing

18:18

the clothes of these girls.

18:21

So that's like what Jesus never did

18:23

in all of these differences. And

18:26

then in the Bhagavad

18:28

Gita, which is the part of Mahabharata,

18:30

here you get to see there is

18:33

a fight between cousins, kauravas

18:35

and pandavas over a kingdom

18:37

called Hastinapur. And they

18:39

just want to fight, like

18:42

who can win over

18:45

this kingdom. And so Krishna

18:47

is trying to convince Arjuna that you

18:50

should fight this war to establish truth

18:54

on earth. And

18:56

Arjuna is saying, no, I don't want to fight because

18:58

I know these people, they are my relatives,

19:00

I know their faces, I am

19:03

ready to forgive, let

19:05

them take the kingdom. But Krishna

19:08

is continuously trying to tell

19:10

Arjuna, you should fight the war, you

19:13

should fight the battle, trying to convince.

19:16

And then I started to see Jesus, I

19:19

mean so much different. Even

19:23

to the point when Jesus was getting caught,

19:26

one of his disciples cut the ear of the

19:30

God who came to catch Jesus. What

19:33

did Jesus do? He healed the ear

19:36

of that person. And he said whoever

19:38

lives with the sword dies with the sword. That's

19:41

a huge difference. I mean

19:43

Jesus had followers, thousands, so

19:47

he could have did the same thing

19:49

like Krishna, I have

19:51

read Krishna's, but here is the difference.

19:53

And I started to see all of this. Shiva,

19:57

I read Shri Puran and then I see Shiva.

20:00

worshipping fellows and

20:02

all of these stories which is horrible like,

20:06

it's so dirty. And

20:09

then I see Jesus' life when he met

20:11

a woman and when he met a woman

20:14

how he talked and how he behaved with

20:16

them. I

20:19

am the living well. Whoever

20:21

drinks from my cup no

20:23

more becomes thirsty again.

20:27

And the way Jesus treated a woman and

20:30

Shiva treated a woman, huge

20:32

differences. What would be the difference there?

20:36

I think of like John 4, when the

20:38

will be a prime example, what would be

20:40

the contrast between that and like in

20:42

the Hindu scriptures specifically? For

20:45

example, like the Shiva Puran, Shiva

20:48

is in the forest and

20:50

then there are wives of the priest

20:53

like the disciples

20:56

of Shiva I would say and Shiva

20:58

is naked, ashes all over his body

21:01

and the wife goes and starts

21:03

to hug Shiva because he was

21:05

looking probably very handsome and

21:08

the disciples get angry because their

21:10

wives are running after Shiva. And

21:13

so what Shiva, so

21:16

the disciples they curse Shiva to

21:18

a god by the way and

21:20

the curse even worked that

21:23

his phallus may fall on

21:25

the ground. So the phallus fell on

21:28

the ground and it caused destruction all

21:30

over. So the disciples they

21:32

went to another god and they were

21:34

like you know what should we do

21:36

this is causing a disturbance all over

21:38

the world. And so the gods say

21:40

that look for a feminine

21:42

you know like

21:45

a body organ you

21:47

know and it's just

21:49

so nasty. You know all of these

21:52

stories are explicit. Yeah, yeah but

21:54

when I open Bible we don't get to

21:56

see these things you know. I mean Jesus,

21:58

look at Jesus. the whole point.

22:00

Look at Jesus, what Jesus did and how he

22:03

behaved with women. Huge difference.

22:05

The second most thing which

22:08

I saw when I was

22:10

in the middle of Hinduism, Christianity,

22:13

you know, one year already in

22:15

Jesus, but still everywhere I'm going I'm saying

22:18

I'm a Hindu. I just believe, I just

22:20

like Jesus. I didn't say I'm a Christian

22:22

even after one year. So I was still

22:24

struggling, battling, you know, with all these thoughts.

22:27

The second most important thing which I saw

22:30

was the evidence for the gods. Let's

22:33

look at the evidence. Let's look at

22:35

the evidence for the Bible and for

22:37

the Vedas. And here's the most important

22:40

thing. We have so

22:42

many manuscripts for the Bible,

22:44

for the New Testament, P52,

22:46

all these papyrus, you know.

22:49

And then, so P52 is

22:51

like comes within some decades,

22:53

you know, after Jesus's death, you know. And

22:56

then we see for the Vedas,

22:58

we don't get anything until

23:01

the 15th century AD. Yeah.

23:03

That's the Vedas are the

23:05

most important scripture for Hinduism,

23:08

you know. And the earliest evidence, the

23:10

manuscript we have for Vedas comes from

23:12

just like five, six hundred years ago.

23:15

So these are the huge differences, you

23:17

know, evidence for Krishna's life. There's none.

23:20

There's nothing. Like is there

23:22

any inscription? Any, because,

23:24

you know, any Hindu, if you ask, they will

23:26

say Krishna is like five thousand years old. So

23:29

is there any stone or a book or

23:31

a paper which papyrus something which

23:33

shows that, okay, here is Krishna's

23:35

name mentioned. There's nothing. Yeah. There's

23:37

nothing. So I started to see

23:39

this. The evidence for Christianity is

23:41

like huge compared to other worldviews,

23:44

you know. These two were the

23:46

with the most important thing which

23:48

strengthened my faith on Christianity. Yeah.

23:51

Don't they also say that Sanskrit is

23:53

the oldest language? Yeah. They say Sanskrit

23:55

is the oldest language, you know. So

23:58

they're like Hindi. Bengali,

24:02

most of the Indian languages came out

24:05

from Sanskrit. But again,

24:07

if Sanskrit is

24:09

the oldest language, what

24:11

evidence do we have for Sanskrit?

24:16

Do we have anything written?

24:19

Do we have any manuscript for

24:21

Sanskrit? Do we have

24:23

any inscriptions? But

24:26

we have nothing. Everything before the

24:29

second or third century BC, we

24:31

have nothing for Sanskrit. But the

24:33

Greek language has older evidence,

24:35

goes back to the

24:37

14th century. We have

24:39

like clay tablets for the language of

24:41

Greek, which is way older than Sanskrit.

24:44

And also, is there something

24:46

specifically within Hinduism in their worldview

24:48

when it comes to the language

24:50

of Sanskrit? Do they believe it's

24:52

from sort of like divine nature

24:55

of origin when it comes to like Sanskrit?

24:58

There's something divine behind that language. Like there's, you

25:00

look at like, for example, like the tetragrammaton. You

25:02

look at Hebrew, like the names of God, and

25:04

like Yahweh, and stuff like that. But when it

25:06

comes to like the nature of the language of

25:08

Sanskrit, do they believe there's something sort of divine

25:11

or sort of esoteric within like how it's written

25:13

or how or the origins of it? Yes.

25:17

So Hindus believe it's

25:19

a common belief in India that Sanskrit is

25:21

the language of the gods. So

25:23

the gods, they spoke in Sanskrit. And

25:26

from Sanskrit, and other languages came,

25:31

most of the Vedas, the

25:33

Sanskrit which the

25:36

Hindus, they talk, that's the

25:38

Devnagari script. It came out

25:41

from the older version

25:43

of Sanskrit. So Sanskrit is seen as

25:46

the language of the God. Yeah. But

25:49

about in terms of like a

25:52

cosmology, did you ever think anything about that?

25:54

Like Genesis one, in the beginning, God created

25:57

the heavens and the earth and did

25:59

any like comparisons. to

26:01

the Indian belief?

26:03

Yes, I like this question.

26:06

When I was reading the Puranas, I was looking for

26:08

the creation story of

26:11

Hinduism. Like in Genesis, we get

26:13

to see, God said, let

26:15

there be light and how the

26:17

creation begins. But

26:20

in Matzah Puran, it's one of the major

26:22

Puranas among all the

26:24

Puranas, we get to see the

26:28

darkness over there. When

26:31

I was reading Matzah Puran, I started to see

26:33

that in the scripture,

26:35

it says that the darkness came from the,

26:38

the darkness and the light came from the

26:41

same God. Brahma

26:43

is the creator and

26:46

there were demons created by God

26:48

and I started thinking, the Satan,

26:50

they are called in the Sanskrit

26:53

term Ashura's, you know demons. In

26:55

English, we call demons, in some

26:58

case we call Ashuras and

27:00

someone who doesn't follow God's

27:02

way. So these people, they came out of

27:05

the gods and they were not listening to

27:07

gods, to the Hindu

27:09

gods. And they used to

27:11

be more powerful than Hindu

27:13

gods during the night time.

27:16

So I started to see this difference. I mean,

27:18

how can demons be more

27:20

powerful than the gods?

27:25

I see a huge difference here. Like

27:27

I was telling you Mohini, the

27:30

female avatar of the

27:32

male God Vishnu, whom she

27:34

was trying to continuously hug.

27:37

Over there we get to see that Vishnu

27:40

changed his male form to feminine because

27:42

female form to

27:46

wean over the Ashuras, the demons.

27:49

So the God is trying

27:51

so hard to wean over the

27:53

demons. So this is like

27:56

the creation story which I started to see

27:58

in Hinduism, like I started the

28:01

demons are more powerful than

28:03

gods in certain period

28:06

in the day. So

28:09

that doesn't sound good. So

28:11

you're wrestling

28:13

through all this and what were there

28:15

any particular topics when it came to

28:17

your subjections and wrestling through this? How

28:19

long did this process take as a

28:21

whole? The

28:25

whole thing, even to this

28:27

day, I

28:30

study Hinduism and the more

28:32

I study, the more confident I become on

28:34

Christianity. My faith

28:37

on Jesus increases more because even

28:39

to this day, my dad, my

28:41

mom gave up hope on me.

28:44

It's too late, it's been eight years

28:46

now. But after

28:50

that one year, when I started

28:52

to really dive into Hinduism,

28:55

and when I came to America first, I started

28:58

to see a lot of Westerners here, so

29:00

fascinated about Hinduism. And

29:02

so that was the time which

29:05

really pushed me to study more

29:07

Hinduism. And I started

29:09

to get into debates with my own

29:11

family members from my mother's family side.

29:13

They came to my home. A

29:16

few of my family members gave me

29:18

huge books to read

29:20

about Hindu monks and how

29:23

Hinduism is the only

29:25

path. So I used to get

29:27

into debates often, asking

29:29

them what evidence do we have for Krishna

29:32

or for the Bhagavad Gita

29:34

is all about war. So

29:36

any Hindu who calls

29:39

himself Hindu believes that the war

29:41

Mahabharata, Kurukshetra, is a war which

29:44

is all about Mahabharata. That

29:46

war really happened. But do we have

29:48

any evidence? I used to get into

29:50

these debates often. It

29:53

took a year, like two or three years, I

29:55

was very deep into this, studying

29:58

overnight like till 3. o'clock

30:00

morning reading the Hindu

30:02

scriptures the Puranas and

30:05

caste system comes from Rigveda

30:07

book 10 you know people start saying

30:10

no people invented caste system you know

30:12

what does the what does the scripture

30:14

say specifically about the caste system like

30:17

chapter and verse yeah Rigveda

30:19

in the book 10 in

30:21

the mandala 10 it says that the

30:24

god Vishnu you know from his

30:26

mouth the brahmin's came so that's

30:28

why brahmin's are the highest

30:30

you know if you see a human body

30:33

the mouth is like on the top and

30:35

then from his lower little lower body part

30:38

from the shoulder

30:40

chest area from here

30:42

the the shatriya's came and

30:44

then from the thai the

30:47

the thai part the vashas

30:49

came and then from the

30:52

feet of Vishnu the shudras came

30:54

the lowermost caste so you see

30:56

it comes straight out of the

30:59

Rigveda book mandala 10 yeah comes

31:01

out and then we have Chandokya

31:03

Upanishad which mentions another lower caste

31:05

which are called Chandalas Chandokya Upanishad

31:08

book five it literally says based

31:10

on your karma your

31:12

samsara cycle depends on so you

31:14

become brahmin or shatriya or if

31:16

you have done the more horrible

31:19

things you become a worm or

31:21

snake you know some kind of like animal

31:23

like lower category

31:26

animal or you're born as a

31:28

lowermost caste Chandalas yeah uh Andrew

31:30

i'm gonna let you ask this question i

31:32

i see just your mind being blown over

31:35

there when it comes you obviously we

31:37

have the slogan on our show and

31:39

t-shirt that's popular at the abatnent shop

31:41

cultish.com but bad

31:43

theology hurts people so you're so while

31:46

Sandeep is talking about chapter and verse

31:48

about how where the caste

31:50

system originates from and just

31:53

for you andre when you look at just sort of

31:55

you know the episodes we do with daniel stephen karnie

31:57

and kind of the culture in india like Where

32:00

do you see that caste system

32:02

being taking place? What questions would

32:04

you have for Sandeep specifically about

32:06

how that plays out like

32:09

in India? How is it practically

32:11

played out? What would come to mind with a question

32:13

you'd want to ask Sandeep? Yeah,

32:16

thinking about the gospel and how God saved

32:18

your soul, how does

32:20

the gospel essentially

32:23

destroy any fundamental

32:25

thoughts on the caste system,

32:27

right? Because when Christ sets

32:29

you free, you are free

32:31

indeed. It seems like the gospel is in opposition

32:33

to any form of caste

32:36

system. What was going

32:38

on in your mind? Like you said for

32:41

a while you still said you were Hindu, but you

32:43

were going to a Christian church. When

32:46

did the gospel permeate your life so much

32:48

to where you're like, I'm a Christian, and

32:51

then your worldview shifted, your

32:53

paradigm shifted, even within thinking

32:55

about a caste system versus

32:57

the gospel. Yeah,

33:01

it was tough for me.

33:03

It was really hard. I

33:06

lost all of my friends

33:08

for sure, more than friends. You can

33:10

lose friends, but then when you start

33:13

losing your family members, that's

33:15

the most hardest thing. When

33:17

your mom and dad

33:19

start hearing from other people,

33:21

from your own family actually,

33:24

that you

33:26

both must have done some kind of wrong

33:29

thing. That's why your son

33:31

converted to Christianity. And

33:35

then after they went out

33:37

from our home, my relatives, when

33:39

me and my dad, mom, we

33:42

are sitting, they used to really

33:44

feel sad. I used to see that sad

33:47

thing in their eyes. It

33:49

was really painful for me. But

33:52

as I kept on reading the Bible,

33:54

as I kept on reading the

33:57

gospel, and seeing Jesus

34:00

his life, how

34:03

he lived on this earth and what

34:06

he did and the

34:09

evidence for his life.

34:14

That was something like I cannot deny,

34:17

I cannot be ignorant because

34:19

I was trying hard to just be

34:22

a good Hindu at the same time, just

34:24

go to church. But besides

34:26

telling my friends and everyone

34:28

that I am still a Hindu, I was

34:30

still wearing that thread, the

34:33

white Upanana thread, which the Brahmins,

34:35

every Brahmins, every priest wears that.

34:38

Do you explain visually what that is, what they

34:40

wear and what it represents? We saw that they

34:42

are wearing that at the temple yesterday, right? Yes,

34:46

absolutely. The priest has to

34:48

wear the Upanana. Upanana is

34:50

like where you

34:52

shave your hairs. You

34:54

be bald and then you have orange, like

34:58

the clothes with the priest they wear,

35:00

the orange clothing, the saffron

35:02

clothing it is called. So

35:04

in that picture, I

35:07

still have that

35:11

white thread around my body and

35:13

then every time you go before sleep or

35:15

if you are going to

35:18

the bathroom, you

35:20

chant the mantra,

35:22

the Gayatri mantra which is Om

35:25

Bhur, Bhuveshvara, Tassavitur,

35:28

all this mantra, chant.

35:32

So I was still wearing that

35:35

thread, but the truth in Christianity

35:37

really blew my mind. I used to

35:39

be awake overnight and just trying hard

35:41

to maybe just

35:45

Hindu, that Hinduism should win in

35:47

evidence. I was trying hard,

35:49

but the evidence for Christ was like

35:52

blowing my mind into the manuscript. It

35:54

is like coming after decades which is

35:56

still there in the British library.

36:00

And for the Vedas is nothing, it's like coming

36:03

up 2000 years, the first manuscript, who knows

36:05

what happened in 2000 years in

36:07

that time. They all say the Bible

36:09

was changed, what about this 2000 years, right? You

36:12

know, this huge evidence, you know,

36:14

and then the differences in the gospel, which

36:18

literally doesn't talk about caste, doesn't

36:20

talk about there

36:22

is Brahmin or there is different

36:24

caste, it says that,

36:27

you know, God so loved the world, He

36:29

gave His begotten Son, you know. Whosoever,

36:32

whosoever believes in Him

36:36

shall find eternal life, you know. And so do this,

36:38

you did this before the podcast, so you just said

36:40

John 3.16. What's

36:42

your, so what's your native language? It's

36:45

Bengali, that's what I

36:47

speak at home, but also the

36:49

most spoken language in India is

36:52

also Hindi. Okay. So yeah.

36:54

How do you say, so how do you say John 3.16 in Hindi? You

36:58

say like, Wow.

37:23

They go to eternal

37:26

life, they have eternal

37:29

life. Yeah.

37:32

Yeah. And that's like, dude, it's like,

37:35

there's something about like hearing the gospel,

37:37

like in another language, like I got

37:39

saved on the mission field, like I've

37:41

got maybe, yeah, we all,

37:43

like it's like hearing that is

37:45

always like gives me. Yeah. So

37:49

in the Bengali language, which is

37:51

also came out from Sanskrit, by the way,

37:54

Sanskrit is the mother language. Yeah. Hindi,

37:57

Bengali, Marathi, Telugu, all

38:00

of these other Indian

38:02

languages. There is no official language in

38:04

India. There are many languages. You go

38:07

west, there is Marathi. You go southern

38:09

part of India, they speak Telugu. You

38:11

go east, they speak Bengali. A lot

38:13

of people, millions of people. It

38:15

is the fifth most spoken language on

38:18

earth. So in Bengali,

38:20

it is called Johan, Thine Sholo.

38:24

That is how you say John 3.16. My mother

38:26

told me Johan Thine Sholo. So

38:31

when you said Masi, that part of what you read,

38:33

what word is that? Yeshu

38:35

Masi. Yeshu Masi is the Hindi

38:38

term for Jesus Christ. I

38:40

had a feeling that was the case. I think I have heard, yeah,

38:42

I think I have heard Daniel, Stephen

38:45

Kearney, brother Daniel who has been on

38:48

the podcast before and I have seen videos of him doing

38:50

evangelism. I see him say that word a lot. So

38:53

I figured I put two and two together that maybe that is what

38:55

you are referring to. For

38:57

Muslims they are called Isa. Yeshu Masi. What

39:05

was it like for you

39:07

once God saved your soul

39:09

coming from a caste society?

39:12

Was there a point at time when

39:14

you looked at someone in a lower caste and you

39:16

were like, man, I am just like them.

39:20

You said when you were younger you would boast in

39:23

a sense that you were the highest class but when

39:25

the gospel saves you, when God saves you, were

39:28

you looking at people in lower class now and

39:30

you are being like, my heart breaks for them

39:32

and I want them to know Jesus and I

39:34

am just like them, a sinner condemned before God

39:37

without Christ? Yeah,

39:42

after 2015, after

39:44

like two, three years I would say I was

39:46

not baptized until 2018. So

39:49

I was really struggling with

39:51

a lot of things. So it didn't just

39:54

happen overnight, 15, 16, that's

39:58

one year, 17 and 18. after

40:00

like three years I was baptized. So

40:04

when I was baptized, like around 17 I

40:06

would say before baptism

40:09

also, things started

40:11

changing my worldview, the way I

40:13

used to think. I opened my

40:18

Upanana, the white thread which I used to

40:21

wear, the Brahmins, that's the symbol. You

40:24

show that on road or on street

40:27

people know that you are your Brahmin

40:29

caste. So I opened that, I kept

40:32

somewhere in my house and my

40:34

father was really unhappy about that, because

40:37

he still wears that. He wears that Brahmin

40:40

the priestly white thread. So

40:44

I'm sure he was not

40:46

happy so I kept that and

40:50

everything started to change and even

40:52

my neighbor, who was my neighbor, I

40:54

touched their feet, they once called me,

40:56

I still remember this, they called me

40:59

to their house and trying to wean

41:01

over me for Hinduism again. They

41:03

called my mom and they was like,

41:06

you know, Sandeep, this is

41:09

what you are doing is not good. These

41:12

Christians have fooled you. But

41:15

I was like, I didn't meet any missionary

41:17

or anyone. So I started

41:19

asking them questions, then answer me, what's

41:22

the evidence for your faith? They

41:24

have nothing out of just emotions

41:26

and feelings. So

41:29

yeah, my worldview started to shift entirely

41:31

like 180 degrees. Everything

41:35

is changing in

41:37

your belief system. You see everyone

41:39

as made in the equal image

41:42

of God, there's

41:44

no differences. I

41:46

think that's God's

41:48

worldview. Yeah, no

41:51

man, that's awesome. And then you had a period

41:53

where you were there but

41:55

eventually, when did you move here to the United States?

41:58

I came first in 2017. I

42:01

was here for like six, seven

42:03

months. Then I went

42:05

back to India. Then

42:08

again I came last year. So

42:11

yeah. And you primarily lived on the East

42:13

Coast? Yeah, East Coast mostly. What

42:15

made you come over here? I

42:18

came over here because

42:20

of like a job

42:22

internship. So

42:25

it's an internship and then I'm going to

42:27

a school here also specializing

42:30

on language. So

42:33

yeah. Okay, so a lot of

42:35

etymology, ancient languages, stuff like that. Yeah. Awesome.

42:39

Yeah. And so like what did you notice

42:41

here? And we'll go into this in another episode as well too. What

42:44

was like the stark differences between like the West

42:46

from East to West? When you

42:48

look at just sort of, it was like the New York,

42:50

like New Jersey area. And this is what year would have

42:52

been? This would have been like 2016 or

42:54

2015? Yeah.

42:58

But what was the contrast between like India and the West

43:00

just from like your first impressions? What did you notice the

43:02

difference of? When I came here for 17, I was in

43:04

New Mexico that time

43:06

for just one month. So

43:16

I saw like the freedom. The

43:18

freedom here is really different. Christians

43:22

in India are not given

43:25

equal rights. You know, they're

43:28

seen as kind of a lower caste. You don't

43:30

have your rights over there. I

43:34

remember, you know, at my workplace, I

43:36

wanted a holiday on Christmas and

43:38

I said, I'm the only Christian in this workplace,

43:41

you know, and everyone is a Hindu. So I

43:43

just need one day off. And

43:45

I still remember my manager was like, we

43:47

are not giving you off. And probably he

43:49

was like, you know, he

43:52

knew my name Sandeep. So it's a

43:54

Hindu name. And then the

43:56

last name is Agasti. That's the, you know,

43:58

the last name always shows. which

44:00

caste you are from by the way. So

44:03

yeah my name is Sandip. Sandip can be

44:05

a lower caste name also but my last

44:07

name which is your father's you know your

44:10

connection your family connection Agasti that's

44:13

the Kannakubj Brahmins you know from

44:15

the UP Uttar Pradesh from the

44:17

Kanpur area so that's a huge

44:19

thing so he didn't give me

44:22

holiday he was like you can

44:24

go to anyone but we are not giving you holiday and

44:26

I was the only Christian in that organization

44:29

in that workplace so when

44:31

I came to the west I see Hindus having

44:33

so much of freedom and that's a good thing

44:35

you know freedom is always good you know you

44:38

have freedom to worship whatever you want in Hare

44:40

Krishna as we see I go to

44:42

you know Hare Krishna Brooklyn

44:44

and all of these places in Times

44:46

Square they dance around all over the

44:48

street and chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

44:50

Krishna Krishna you know all of this

44:53

chant and no one goes to them

44:55

and you know asks any question or

44:57

throws anything but if when

44:59

a Christian is preaching the gospel in

45:01

a Indian market it's

45:03

a whole different worldview you know that's

45:05

why India ranks 10th in the most

45:07

persecuted country in the world for Christians

45:10

you know you will

45:12

get stuff thrown at you and

45:14

if you really talk about a

45:16

little bit of Hindu gods then

45:18

it's a disaster I mean then

45:20

you know when I was

45:22

running my page I remember when I first

45:24

opened my page I kept it hidden from

45:26

many Indian

45:29

places like Uttar Pradesh I selected you

45:31

know on Facebook you can

45:33

select on settings you

45:35

can hide your page from some places because

45:37

because I was like you know I studied

45:39

all of this for this like three four

45:41

years you know I'm doing this and oh

45:43

you know night and day

45:46

I'm being I'm awake till three

45:48

o'clock sometime sleepless night

45:50

I'm just you know studying

45:52

this Hindu scriptures Puranas the Vedas

45:54

the Upanishads and then the

45:56

Bible and then so I'm really talking about the

45:59

Hindu gods you know this was the Shiva deed

46:01

or Krishna you know stealing you

46:03

know sleeping with the woman whom

46:05

he healed Kupja was the woman whom Krishna

46:07

healed and he slept with that woman you

46:09

know that's the God you see and so

46:11

I see Jesus you know how he is

46:13

treating woman I mean a huge

46:16

not literally huge difference yeah I was

46:18

I'm writing this on my page and

46:20

I'm sitting I'm starting to

46:22

get many comments so I had to hide

46:25

my page because you don't get some freedom

46:27

you know so this

46:29

is the difference which I saw when

46:31

I came to the US first the

46:33

freedom of worship yeah

46:36

I enter what questions you have what's on your mind

46:40

man it's a you went through a

46:43

lot and you went through so much

46:45

stuff I'm just thankful that the Lord

46:47

has saved your soul he has

46:49

you here now and trying

46:51

to help people understand

46:54

the differences between Hinduism

46:56

and Christianity what

46:59

do you think is the number one main

47:02

difference between Hinduism

47:04

and Christianity what would you want

47:06

a Hindu person to first consider

47:09

when thinking about the differences between Hinduism

47:11

and Christianity the

47:13

most important the first thing I

47:16

would say what I we which I had

47:18

questions of the most two important question

47:20

which every Hindu should

47:23

think is you just

47:25

compare the lives of Shiva

47:27

and Krishna or say

47:29

Vishnu with Jesus

47:32

forget everything what church did what British

47:34

did you know a lot of Hindus

47:36

they struggle with this thing they think

47:38

okay this is what Christianity is you

47:41

know but you forget all

47:43

of this you just study the life

47:45

of Jesus from the Bible and study

47:47

the life of Shiva from Shri Puran

47:49

and you see the huge difference you

47:51

know I mean Jesus was never naked

47:53

roaming around in a forest and you

47:55

know women trying to hug him you

47:57

know other wives actually they were the

47:59

wives of his disciples,

48:01

Shiva's disciples, who followed Shiva

48:03

and then they are cursing

48:05

Shiva and his phallus

48:08

falls down on ground. You see these

48:10

stories are like horrible. There's so much

48:12

of difference is Krishna's life if you

48:14

see. I mean

48:18

he stealing the

48:20

clothes of women, when they're taking

48:23

bath in the river and telling them he have

48:26

to come outside, come out from

48:28

the river raising their hands up. The women

48:30

are saying no we are naked. So they

48:32

were trying to cover their bodies. Shiva

48:36

and Krishna are trying to make

48:39

fun out of that. He was with

48:41

his friends and we get the story

48:44

in Bhagavata Puran. Anyone who reads it,

48:46

you get the story there. Krishna is

48:48

with his friends and they

48:50

are laughing about the whole scenario.

48:53

Then he's sleeping with Kubja, the

48:56

hunchback woman whom Krishna

48:58

healed and he went

49:00

to her house and

49:03

she wanted to sleep with Krishna and

49:05

Krishna slept with this woman. You know

49:07

all of these different Jesus you don't

49:09

see that. Then the second thing is look

49:12

at the evidence for Christianity and Hinduism.

49:14

Look at what evidence does

49:17

Hinduism have. For example the

49:19

war Kurukshetra. Is there any

49:22

evidence for that war? Is

49:24

there any evidence that Krishna existed? Is there any

49:27

writing from even say like

49:30

2000 years ago? Is there any writing

49:32

where it says that the

49:34

oldest evidence that we have for

49:36

Hinduism is second or third century

49:39

BC? That's it. That's

49:41

Hinduism. It's over. There's

49:43

nothing before that. For

49:46

David's life, you know King David, we

49:48

have like a stone

49:50

which has his name in

49:52

a huge, huge evidence for the Old

49:54

Testament and for

49:57

Christianity papyrus we have for New

49:59

Testaments. Yeah. So

50:01

another question too as we kind of wrap up and

50:03

what an amazing story. I feel like we've still barely

50:05

scratched the surface as far as what we're going to

50:08

get into. And now, you

50:10

know, you're here, you're over on the

50:12

East Coast. Personally, I

50:14

believe that the

50:16

West is kind of in

50:18

complete freefall from any of

50:21

its historical Judeo-Christian values

50:23

and foundations into neo-paganism. The

50:25

resurgence of paganism is coming

50:28

about the New Age, the

50:30

occult, and you see it with

50:33

all sorts of different cultures, whether

50:35

it's African occultism, the

50:38

spirituality, the occultism, this practice in India through

50:40

the gurus, through yoga, through the different trans

50:42

and general meditations, you see that in

50:45

Nordic spirituality. Like all

50:49

the ancient beliefs, they're all

50:51

resurfacing and regurgitating. Have

50:53

you noticed just with being in New Jersey and kind

50:55

of in that area what is kind of a blue

50:57

state? What areas have you

51:00

seen kind of like the worldview implications? We

51:02

talk about worldviews have consequences. Are

51:04

there times where you see something here like in

51:06

your area where you're like, wait a minute, I

51:08

see that. That reminds me of

51:11

India and maybe that's the implication of like worldview.

51:14

What comes to mind about that? Yeah, I would

51:16

like to share this thing. I

51:19

now live in New Jersey and New

51:21

Jersey has the highest population

51:23

for Indians. New Jersey has

51:26

like 3% I think Indians. That's

51:30

a survey done like few years ago. So now maybe

51:32

4%. So mostly

51:35

Indians you'll find in New Jersey. Like

51:39

in India, if you walk down the

51:41

street in India, you will see dirt

51:43

everywhere. You'll see like it's not clean

51:46

and like a third world country. And

51:52

you get to see that in some parts of New

51:54

Jersey where I come from, Indian street,

51:57

there is a street which is named

51:59

like Indian street. because everything over there

52:01

is like Indian shops and chewing

52:04

tobacco. That's

52:06

like kind of something

52:09

which Hindus they do, like

52:12

you know besides smoking or

52:15

drinking YouTube tobacco. So

52:18

yeah I was shocked when I came

52:20

to New Jersey first. I started to

52:23

see these shops selling like all these

52:25

Indian products, like Indian style

52:27

things. And

52:29

I see that it's getting inside

52:32

the West also. People have soft

52:34

corner for Hinduism. And

52:36

I remember I will share this

52:38

one little thing. I was coming

52:40

with a Hindu. This guy

52:42

I know he's a Hindu. He's from the southern part

52:45

of India. And then we

52:47

are about to enter the metro station.

52:49

And you have a metro card. You

52:51

put your card inside and

52:53

then you get inside. And so

52:55

this guy is like hey let's just

52:57

jump over the metro thing. You know

53:00

come on man. Our train is coming.

53:02

I was like yeah Bubba you have

53:04

to pay right. You should pay. You

53:06

don't take it free right. If

53:08

you pay. So the whole

53:11

world view you know like there's

53:13

like who gonna judge you know,

53:15

who is the ultimate judge. Even

53:17

the gods were under judgment. Anyway,

53:19

you're gonna pay anyway. So

53:22

there's no like there's

53:25

nothing like a fear. You know it's

53:27

like you do whatever you feel like you know my

53:30

worldview change when I accepted Christ. You

53:32

know you do the right things.

53:34

You don't take anything for just granted. Or

53:37

you don't steal. You

53:40

don't take free stuff.

53:42

You work with your hands. You

53:44

know in India you'll see lower caste

53:46

people. They are struggling with their daily life.

53:48

They work for 10 12 hours on the

53:50

field and they paid like $2 $3 for

53:52

the entire day. It's

53:55

really sad and that's Hinduism. That's

53:57

what Hinduism gave to India. That's

54:00

the gift from Hinduism. Yeah. What's

54:03

also interesting is we kind of wrap up this part.

54:05

We're going to be talking a lot more in further

54:07

episodes, another content we're doing here, just

54:10

about the new age practices from east

54:12

to west. And there's a lot of different variables in play. And

54:14

Andrew, you can let me know what you think here, is

54:17

that there's a huge distinction between

54:19

sacred animals and in this case

54:22

in Hinduism, you mentioned that if you're driving somewhere

54:24

in India, if you hit a person, you kill

54:26

them, you might go to jail. Lord

54:29

forbid you are driving somewhere and you

54:31

hit a cow and kill a cow in a public

54:34

area. You're pretty much in... You're

54:37

pretty much in... You're done for. Yeah, like

54:39

you hit that cow. Yeah, but you see

54:41

a certain zeitgeist in Spirit of the Age

54:43

2 here in the west now where you

54:45

have all these certain people that are advocating

54:48

against factory farming and animal rights and those

54:50

sorts of things. And yeah, there's sentiments where

54:52

you want to treat animals

54:54

with dignity. I think there's an ethic behind

54:56

that. But specifically, while

54:59

people speak out against animal cruelty, they will look

55:01

the other way and be silent when it comes

55:03

to abortion and like the murder of babies. You

55:06

look at like PETA when they talk about that.

55:08

So there's levels almost in which there's

55:10

adherence towards the sacredness of animals

55:13

versus the imago dei, like us being image

55:15

of God. And you talked about the two.

55:17

Like when you understand, when you embrace the

55:19

gospel, embrace Christ as your Lord and Savior

55:21

that you saw this distinction where there's no

55:24

longer this caste system, but

55:26

it specifically is people that

55:28

are made in the image of God that are equal.

55:31

But now it's almost no less. You're seeing

55:33

almost this weird distinctions between dignity

55:35

between animals and human beings, almost similar

55:37

to India. What do you think about

55:39

that? A lot

55:41

of that things are creeping into

55:43

the west. You know, like I

55:46

was telling you, you hit a

55:48

cow, you're in problem, big problem.

55:50

If you get like, if

55:52

you, if you're driving, you hit a cow,

55:54

if someone catches you because you know cows

55:56

are huge in shape, right? So your car

55:58

will be. I

56:01

don't know what will be your cards

56:03

condition after hitting a huge cow. So

56:05

for sure you have to stand and

56:07

if people catches you, you are like

56:09

literally dead. They will lynch you to

56:11

death. But if

56:13

you hit a person, maybe hardly what

56:15

will happen is corpse will come and

56:17

they will take you to prison. Maybe

56:19

the cows are seen as like next

56:21

to God actually. There are literally scriptures

56:23

which talks about cows are

56:26

next to God. And that's why

56:28

when I first ate beef

56:31

burger, we don't

56:33

grow up eating these things. In India, McDonald's

56:35

or KFC if you go, you don't see

56:37

beef burgers, all chicken. Everything

56:40

is chicken. So like

56:43

how long, like four or five years ago I called

56:45

up my dad and I was like

56:47

hey, I just have to tell you something.

56:51

And he is already, you know, my

56:54

life has changed and my family is

56:56

already into so much of mess and

56:58

all these family members coming to a

57:00

house questioning my family. So I called

57:02

up my dad, it was

57:04

afternoon, I told him, so

57:06

I am tasting beef for the first time. What

57:09

do you think? I was like, I shouldn't

57:11

have called him maybe. He

57:14

was like, I felt him like

57:16

he was just numb. He couldn't speak anything.

57:19

He was like, what are you doing? You know, I was

57:21

even, I was living at this

57:23

place and I told this one guy I

57:25

tasted beef for the first time and he

57:27

like tried to kick me, you know. Because

57:30

he is Hindu, he is like, this is, you

57:32

can't do this thing. This is like, in

57:36

Uttar Pradesh, in a state like Uttar Pradesh,

57:38

if you tell someone, a Hindu, I just

57:40

tasted beef for the first time, you

57:43

will be in problem. Like your life, maybe

57:46

you will be beaten up badly, you will

57:48

die, something like that would happen, brutally

57:50

beaten. So he was not happy.

57:52

So a lot

57:54

of that thing is going in the West, like there

57:57

is a trend where people think that

57:59

you know, going vegan, you know. is

58:01

like a stylish, it's a modern trend,

58:03

it's something very cool you know, I'm

58:06

a vegan you know, but

58:08

here's even medical if you see you

58:10

know what you get from a meat

58:13

you don't get that same thing

58:15

the protein you know the diet

58:17

you know the level of calories

58:19

and all you don't get

58:22

those things in from

58:24

plant-based thing you know even Jesus

58:26

ate fish right yeah I mean

58:29

so this is why even

58:31

cows are seen as sacred that

58:34

doesn't come from the earliest Hindu

58:36

texts the earliest books in Hinduism

58:38

are the Vedas like I was

58:40

telling before in the Vedas

58:42

cows made is like the most

58:45

important thing to eat you know

58:47

like really in Manusmriti in Manusmriti

58:49

is one of the Hindu scripture

58:52

where Manu the writer

58:54

you know the Manu is saying that whoever

58:56

doesn't eat meat he would

58:58

be born like some 20

59:01

times you know as a caste but in

59:03

a particular caste so you have to eat

59:05

meat he is getting angry you know Manu

59:07

over there we have we

59:10

have Satapat Brahmana it's a

59:13

commentary on a Veda

59:16

the Yajur Veda you know this

59:18

Rig Veda this Yajur

59:20

Samma Tharva it's a commentary it's

59:22

a book written by Yajana Valkhi

59:24

he was a sage he was

59:27

a Hindu

59:29

guru ancient Hindu guru again we have

59:31

no evidence anything for all of

59:33

this but at the book says

59:35

in Satapat Brahmana over there it says that

59:39

you have to eat

59:41

the cow meat you know or

59:43

the ox meat you know the

59:45

gods even chose the cows meat

59:49

compared to the other meats so

59:51

they really like you know all the

59:53

best book I would say anyone to buy

59:56

the meat the meat of the holy

59:58

cow written by and Ja is

1:00:00

a Hindu no no westerner

1:00:03

guy okay this book has been

1:00:05

banned in many places in India

1:00:08

this book there

1:00:10

was a court case

1:00:12

you know from a conservative Hindu state

1:00:14

you know they took defiled

1:00:16

a case against this author and

1:00:18

he was threatened so

1:00:21

he had you know bodyguards around him

1:00:24

when he published this book you know so

1:00:27

in this book like there are so

1:00:29

many verses the book is full of

1:00:31

the verses specifically from

1:00:33

the Vedas which literally talks about

1:00:37

how cow meat was eaten you

1:00:39

know like in ancient India we

1:00:41

in Indus Valley civilization we

1:00:43

find the bones of cow bones

1:00:46

ox bones so so

1:00:48

it's just Hinduism has developed over time

1:00:50

and it's a cool trend which is

1:00:52

also happening in

1:00:54

the West you know you know Hinduism is

1:00:56

like in the temple you remember the guy

1:00:58

said that we don't eat

1:01:00

meat yeah have you read have you

1:01:03

read the Manus Meti and you have

1:01:05

to eat Manus saying if

1:01:07

you don't eat it will be because yeah so

1:01:09

in other words there's a lot of double minding

1:01:12

this where it's saying one thing but do the

1:01:14

other and right now it's like well who

1:01:16

cares we can't really have a conversation even though

1:01:19

we have sources that actually back up that

1:01:21

actually say something very different than what

1:01:24

the whole congenital consensus is of Hinduism

1:01:26

specifically like not eating cows here

1:01:29

is one more thing I'd say like

1:01:32

here's my one thing if you

1:01:34

believe something you have to research you have

1:01:36

to provide facts you have to provide evidence

1:01:38

when I was asking my dad when

1:01:41

I was struggling you know I was still a Hindu I

1:01:44

was still having my Upana another thread

1:01:46

on me I used to ask people

1:01:48

okay what is the evidence for

1:01:50

Krishna's life is nothing none there's

1:01:53

no nothing no paper nothing

1:01:55

so why would I believe that he

1:01:57

existed like he's you the

1:02:00

oldest. If you type on Google it is like

1:02:02

a common belief. Hinduism is the oldest. What

1:02:04

makes you say that? So here is

1:02:06

one thing I want to say, people who

1:02:09

think cow is holy, a lot of Hare

1:02:11

Kṛṣṇas by the way, they see cows next

1:02:13

to God, they bow. I used to bow

1:02:15

in front of cow when I was a

1:02:17

Hindu. My grandmother still to this very day,

1:02:19

he feeds the cow like he is feeding

1:02:21

a God and she bows down.

1:02:23

So India in 2016, around 16 or 15 if

1:02:26

I am not

1:02:30

mistaken, India was the

1:02:32

largest exporter of cow

1:02:34

made. A lot

1:02:37

of people if you just search you will

1:02:39

find in 2015 or 2016 around that year,

1:02:42

India was the largest and today if

1:02:45

you type largest exporter of

1:02:47

beef, I think India ranks within

1:02:49

sixth or fifth number

1:02:51

of countries like within the

1:02:53

fifth rank or sixth rank if I am

1:02:55

not wrong. Interesting. Yeah. Wow, yeah. India was

1:02:57

the global largest beef exporter in 2015. 15,

1:03:00

there you go, 15. That is crazy. And

1:03:05

they are making a, so they are

1:03:07

probably making a huge amount of money

1:03:09

off of that. Well meanwhile you have

1:03:11

got people that will literally starve themselves

1:03:13

to death by an ideology because they

1:03:15

can't dare eat or replenish themselves, let's

1:03:17

say you know go into a vicious karmic

1:03:20

cycle but you have a whole government that

1:03:22

is governed in many ways

1:03:24

by parts with the laws of Indians in a sense of

1:03:26

theocracy where it is like oh it is

1:03:29

rules for thee but not for me. It also kind of

1:03:31

reminds me if you think about like remember like COVID all

1:03:33

the times where you have like leaders who are talking about

1:03:35

how you have to wear a mask here and have a

1:03:37

mask there, how many times people got busted. Like

1:03:39

the governor of California remember he got busted I

1:03:41

think he was, he had shut down all the

1:03:43

restaurants and like thrown babies who would be lost

1:03:45

their businesses and there is a video of him like

1:03:47

someone caught a video of him like with a news

1:03:50

some without a mask and they are like bunched together.

1:03:52

So it is kind of like oh let's do one thing less but

1:03:55

now we are doing the other. the

1:04:01

most conservative Hindu state. You

1:04:03

see the hypocrisy.

1:04:05

People just believe what they want to

1:04:07

believe. There is no fact, no evidence,

1:04:09

it is my emotions and feelings. That

1:04:12

is what Hinduism is. You just believe. That

1:04:14

is it. And also, as we are up

1:04:16

here, and I can't wait for you all to listen to the

1:04:18

other content that we have here. And

1:04:21

Andrew, you think about it in Colossians, it says, Wherefore

1:04:23

if you die with Christ to the elementary principles

1:04:26

of the world, do not submit yourself to certain

1:04:28

decrees as do not handle, do not taste, do

1:04:30

not touch, as if there are

1:04:32

certain foods, but everything is to be received with

1:04:34

thanksgiving. So there is a plethora of

1:04:36

Christians who probably have a lot of different opinions about

1:04:39

different diets, whether it is

1:04:41

like vegan, animal based, carnivore, all that

1:04:43

sort of stuff. And in reality, this

1:04:45

is God's world. And people make a

1:04:47

huge emphasis on one food over the

1:04:50

other. And in this case, you see

1:04:52

just so much inconsistency. You

1:04:54

have even like within the worldview, like the

1:04:56

inconsistency is like the outpouring, where

1:04:58

it's like a one hand, they're exporting beef, but then saying

1:05:00

you can't cows are still sacred in the same way. It's

1:05:03

like as you're talking about earlier, when you're trying, when you're

1:05:05

trying to go up the karmic cycle, even with you being

1:05:07

in the top calf

1:05:09

system, you're trying to get off

1:05:11

your vicious karmic cycle

1:05:13

by adhering to God's like

1:05:16

Shiva, Kali, all these other ones

1:05:18

in the system. And when they're attached to karma too, and

1:05:20

you do, do you remember like when we're at the temple,

1:05:22

right? So if any of you were listening in, I asked

1:05:24

Sandeep and I two days ago, we went and visited a

1:05:27

Hindu temple here in Arizona. And I was

1:05:29

talking to them, I said, well, what happens if I don't become

1:05:31

a Hindu, like I'm going to probably regress and become an animal.

1:05:33

And it's like, yeah, but eventually, you know,

1:05:35

you'll have a chance to become a cow. And

1:05:37

well, not just a cow, you

1:05:40

have to become a cow that is in

1:05:42

proximity to a Hindu

1:05:44

temple where they're here, you're hearing, you have

1:05:46

to be in the presence of like the Hare Krishna

1:05:48

mantra. So if that happens, then you

1:05:50

have a chance to then upgrade

1:05:53

into being like a human, no

1:05:56

guarantee of what calf system you'll end up, you know, how

1:05:58

many lives will take to get there. And

1:06:00

I'm just like, man, what, how

1:06:02

can you just leave in a system like

1:06:04

that? You know, and so it just, praise

1:06:07

the Lord, man, it's such a great opportunity.

1:06:09

This is a huge encouragement. Yeah,

1:06:12

do you have any last kind of thoughts as we wrap

1:06:14

up here? We're going to be going into the New Age

1:06:16

practices, aspects of the West in

1:06:18

regards to our kind of, this is also going

1:06:20

to be a continuation of our serious gods of

1:06:22

the New Age. But do you have any

1:06:24

kind of last thoughts in this segment as we wrap up here? Yeah,

1:06:27

the last one thing which I want to

1:06:29

say on what we talk

1:06:31

about is always look for the evidence,

1:06:33

no matter where it is leading you. When

1:06:37

I was doing my study

1:06:39

overnight, you know, like

1:06:42

I have to wake up next morning,

1:06:44

go to college maybe, it's eight o'clock,

1:06:46

but I was like awake till six

1:06:49

o'clock reading the scriptures, Hindu scriptures, trying

1:06:51

hard that no Hinduism should intervene, you

1:06:53

know, it's not that weak, come on,

1:06:56

no, no, it can't be this weak.

1:06:59

It's weak as like, what will I

1:07:01

say, it's so weak, there's no evidence.

1:07:03

So look for the evidence, not what

1:07:06

your mom or your dad or your

1:07:08

grandmother, grandfather told you. My whole, we

1:07:11

are Brahmins. I mean, my

1:07:14

mother's side, we're all priests, even

1:07:16

to this day, they are priests,

1:07:18

big, the whole city comes to

1:07:20

their place, you know, their

1:07:22

house for blessings and all, but

1:07:24

I'm the only Christian in my family. I

1:07:26

mean, it was not easy for me, a

1:07:28

journey of eight years. So

1:07:31

yeah, look for the evidence, no matter

1:07:33

you're alone. Excellent. Well,

1:07:35

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1:08:05

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1:08:07

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1:08:11

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1:08:13

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1:08:15

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1:08:17

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1:08:19

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