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Utah. We are going to be talking about...

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we're talking about Hinduism. We are going to

2:34

be talking about Beatlemania, the

2:36

infiltrations of the Beatles, here we

2:38

are as Ringo Starr, George

2:41

Harrison, Paul McCartney, here we are

2:44

as Beatlemania. Yeah, so we're

2:46

gonna be... it's very interesting. This

2:48

is something I've always been very intrigued

2:50

by was the most prominent music group

2:52

in the 1960s that really came

2:55

on the forefront. They really changed the culture in

2:57

many different ways. We were...

2:59

was the Beatles. They revolutionized

3:02

music, just the popularity of it.

3:04

But along with the Beatles came

3:07

a worldview that was imported to

3:10

the west by way from east to

3:12

west. So I'm just very curious. We

3:14

are here with Sandeep. You are... you

3:16

grew up in India. You are a

3:18

former Hindu. You came to

3:20

Christ out of Hinduism. So you have

3:23

a very unique perspective. So let's just

3:25

jump into it. The Beatles. What

3:28

role did they play in all of this?

3:30

Let's just jump right into it. Yeah.

3:34

I just like to say this before Hinduism

3:37

started to come inside the west.

3:40

The Beatles were when? 1960s, I

3:42

believe. There

3:44

was a person called Swami Vivekananda.

3:46

He came to the... he came

3:49

to the US around 1890s

3:53

around that time. He went to

3:55

the religion,

3:59

world religion. parliament which

4:01

was organized in Chicago.

4:03

So people from all over the world

4:05

and all different faiths they came in

4:07

Chicago in 1980 sorry in 1893 I

4:09

believe I'm not wrong. Yeah and

4:15

Swami Vivekananda he

4:17

was he's a Hindu monk very well

4:19

known very well known he when

4:22

he stood in that parliament he said I welcome

4:26

the mother of all religion

4:28

he started his speech like

4:30

that. So you know there

4:32

is a common belief that Hinduism is the

4:34

oldest and that's why the Beatles I

4:37

believe when they met the

4:40

Yogi Mahesh Yogi you know Mahindra

4:43

Yogi and he

4:46

invited them to India

4:49

and they went to India they

4:51

I read that they even read

4:54

few scriptures few texts I don't

4:56

know what scriptures exactly they let

4:59

they read and what

5:01

actually what verses they read but

5:04

they went to the place called Rishikesh and

5:07

that's the hot center yoga capital

5:09

in India the war India you Rishikesh

5:12

is the yoga capital in India

5:15

the world's yoga capital. Yeah so

5:18

as we know the George Harrison he

5:21

was very much into it John Lennon

5:24

also yeah they

5:27

Harrison even composed

5:30

a dedicated song to Krishna my

5:32

sweet lord yeah Krishna

5:34

and Rama yeah

5:38

well even like in that song and you

5:40

know the song I mean it sound I

5:42

think on the Guardians of the galaxy 2

5:45

soundtrack he says hallelujah yeah he well he

5:47

says hallelujah in one core in one chorus

5:49

the very next one there's a chorus this

5:51

is Hare Krishna so it's almost like there's

5:53

this implying like hey Christianity

5:55

the Christian worldview and and how a Christian

5:57

this is completely different from the other one.

6:00

Compatible we're all on the same team. We're

6:02

all wearing the same Jersey Yeah,

6:05

well it's very compelling. It's just very fascinating

6:07

in hindsight To see

6:09

that depicted because we prior to beetle mania

6:11

and the Beatles You know the beetle invasion

6:13

as far as you want to call it,

6:16

you know there That's not really something that

6:18

was very prominent even at all in Western

6:20

thinking Yeah,

6:22

and around that time the hippie movement

6:24

also started. Yeah, remember the hippies You

6:27

know mostly there's to dress up like

6:29

the Indian clothing, you know the saffron

6:32

kind of clothing, you know so

6:38

The first question I had when I Got

6:41

to know about the my sweet Lord

6:44

the thing, you know Harrison tried

6:46

to maybe Tell

6:49

to the world that hallelujah and Krishna

6:53

Rama all of the same thing

6:55

Christianity is and he he's actually

6:57

motive he says That

7:00

he's actually motive behind that song was

7:02

he wanted to tell the world that

7:04

there is a lot of similarities But

7:07

maybe he was told that by my hair's

7:09

yogi who was his guru and

7:12

and my hair's yogi George Harrison

7:14

and linen was where the most

7:16

to like the Closest

7:19

to my is the guru who actually you

7:22

know took the Beatles to many places actually

7:24

in a the lands where

7:26

my Yogi was

7:28

giving spiritual session then with

7:30

him. He they went to India,

7:33

you know stayed there for a couple of months.

7:35

I believe I learned Hinduism,

7:37

you know thought that they did

7:41

Maybe Harrison thought he knows everything

7:43

about Hinduism I'm sure

7:45

him my hair's didn't give him

7:47

the Vedas or the Upanishads Or

7:50

the Puranas which talks about the sin of the

7:52

gods But again,

7:55

who is this Krishna? Who is this Rama,

7:57

you know? That's

7:59

a question Who

8:01

are these gods? You are taking a name.

8:04

You are making a song. It shows

8:06

that you are very devoted. But

8:09

again, was Krishna

8:12

same as Jesus? That's what he tries

8:14

to do. He says, hallelujah in that

8:17

song, which is a

8:19

Christian way of saying, you know, praise the Lord, but

8:22

which which Lord are you praising? Yeah,

8:26

and so even like two and maybe

8:28

like as a former Hindu

8:32

and it's just always interesting the worldview that's being depicted and

8:34

we and again, if you want to see the full

8:36

episode you want to definitely check out Sandy's testimony awful

8:39

testimony. We have links here in the description, but even

8:42

when you look at John Lennon, you

8:44

look at a mat and you look

8:46

at a imagine, you know, where he

8:48

says like, imagine there is no heaven. Imagine,

8:51

you know, above us only sky and

8:53

you just look at the language that's

8:55

being articulated and kind of like

8:57

that sort of nihilism like when you as a former Hindu,

8:59

when you see the world, you know, can you hear the

9:01

song, the lyrics? It's a compelling. It's a it's a as

9:04

far as everyone knows almost the universe. So when you

9:06

hear that piano playing, you know, what song is being

9:08

played being depicted, right? But when

9:10

you hear those lyrics being

9:12

sung like what's being what do you how do

9:15

you interpret that? What do you see being being told from like Lennon's

9:17

perspective? It's

9:22

like a kind of Hinduism, you know,

9:25

in the Vedas in the Vedanta. Basically,

9:28

you get to see where Hinduism

9:30

is a little different from the

9:32

Puranas. Like I was saying, Hinduism

9:34

developed over time in the

9:37

Vedas. We don't get to see a

9:39

lot of today's Hindu God's name. You

9:42

know, there are

9:44

many Hindu gods which developed just

9:46

like 70 years ago, you

9:48

know, Ma Santo Sima is a Hindu

9:50

deity before 1950s. No

9:53

one knew this goddess. And

9:55

Within like 70 years, she's now like

9:57

a very prominent goddess in the Vedas.

10:00

India ah so I think

10:02

learn and was trying to.

10:05

Showcase. The

10:07

V those you A which actually

10:09

says data. And

10:12

there is like. Ah, we

10:14

came from nothing. Of dead

10:16

sexual concept of our the Vedanta philosophy

10:18

at the with a philosophy there is

10:21

do then there's a do with a

10:23

philosophy the Vid the I'm done with

10:25

the V the desert the oldest of

10:28

hall Hindu scriptures yes and for sure

10:30

my ace yogi was the guru of

10:32

leaning in on the moon for sure.

10:35

He here in all hindus have very

10:37

high reverence for respect for the V

10:39

doesn't suit don't a single V does

10:42

for the to everything Vegas and the

10:44

so the do after ah. Do

10:46

with our philosophy. To basically

10:48

means that you're says you

10:50

know you yourself, you Ottoman

10:52

or the soul. Is that

10:55

actually dead brown one. These.

10:57

Days no different sexually but he had

10:59

their an echo been. He said these

11:01

are punishes was locally has forces and

11:03

says that. The brown one

11:05

is no other than the says

11:08

the self is that ultimate reality

11:10

and destroy lot of guru soon

11:12

see ah and the way though

11:14

Harrison and Be did say. Had.

11:17

Respect for my ace Yogi or

11:19

his resignation. We seen the video

11:21

or Gods of the New It

11:23

you know how who devote his

11:26

You Stooges bout on from Erogenous

11:28

and do anything for this guru.

11:30

You know anything an. Ally

11:33

and than that you scorning on

11:35

the Voc the have already se

11:37

Voc to be done to rebel

11:39

but In or he scored was

11:42

by the way founded in in

11:44

Us first in in a make

11:46

a fuss Denny to date has

11:48

many centers but all of these

11:50

people they came to the west

11:52

ah. Try. To spread

11:55

the vedanta philosophy activities

11:57

the more older belief

11:59

or. Indonesia and which is that?

12:01

The cells is that brown month And

12:03

literally the new are Hindus and we

12:06

said the puranas and the later scriptures.

12:08

that term a suit draws the Ramayana

12:10

the a mob heart that these are

12:13

the litter. A Hindu. Ideology

12:16

the later but Am so

12:18

there's a difference. Does David

12:20

under Philosophies Excellent Believing that

12:22

the Celsius. Equal to

12:24

God. Is. That brown one. Well.

12:27

I Andra what what do you think about

12:29

so far I know you've got a little

12:31

I Beatles history in your i haven't I

12:34

read a you will ya when I was

12:36

or whether you can but like was is

12:38

very and it's a very fascinating history because

12:40

is a lot with why can't the rise

12:42

of the Guru er in the west specifically

12:44

connected to hinder was I'm connected to come.

12:46

The bills are sort of the the mediator.

12:49

they are the catalyst for a lot of

12:51

this. Seems. Yeah. I mean, during

12:53

the time in the sixties, there's so

12:55

much going on with invalid the Vietnam

12:58

war. We think about the psychedelic era.

13:00

We think about essentially. Our

13:02

Society of Children whose parents I

13:04

believe we're in Woodward. You. Rank

13:07

and. Are they're growing up

13:09

after this and there seems to

13:11

be a distrust of governments in

13:14

a rebellion to the current or

13:16

older social norms that were within

13:18

the United States of America which

13:20

was what arts christian roots as

13:22

a nation. So in that rebellion

13:24

or during the sixties they go

13:26

off to so many different areas

13:28

are looking for truth in peace.

13:31

whether it be ah, drugs, or

13:33

sex, or. Essentially,

13:35

what people were doing was trying to

13:37

rebel. From. The religion or

13:39

that guided America thus far and

13:41

so is the Perfect Storm, right?

13:43

We have the Beatles that come

13:45

in in the sixties and it

13:48

just takes our nation. I.

13:50

beatlemania right and i use rowing machine sixty

13:52

four the ed sullivan show they play one

13:55

of their first or concerts year they got

13:57

that bowl cut super different than the lot

13:59

of of the folk music that was

14:01

prior in America, like changed the

14:03

way the music structure even worked

14:06

in songwriting. And from there, as Sandeep

14:08

was saying, they got more into the

14:10

weird stuff. Like here's some lyrics from

14:12

a song from 19, uh,

14:15

where is it? 1966. This is

14:17

four years prior to the Hare Krishna

14:20

song by George Harrison. This is called

14:22

Tomorrow, uh, never knows. Let me just

14:24

read you some of the lyrics here. And this was written

14:26

by Paul McCartney and John Lennon. I would say mainly John

14:28

Lennon wrote this, but it says, turn

14:30

off your mind, relax and float

14:32

downstream. It is not dying. It

14:34

is not dying. Lay down all thoughts,

14:36

surrender to the void. It is shining. It is

14:38

shining that you may see the

14:41

meaning of within it is being, it is

14:43

being that love is all that love is

14:45

everyone. It is knowing it is knowing that

14:47

ignorance and hate may mourn the dead. It is believing

14:49

it is believing, but listen to the color of your

14:51

dream. It is not living. It is not living. All

14:54

play the game existence to the end of the beginning

14:56

of the beginning. Yada, yada, yada. It says the same

14:58

thing over and over again. Very, very

15:00

interesting song. The drums are pretty cool in

15:02

it. Uh, I really liked this song at

15:04

one point, uh, of my life, but the

15:08

point is even in 1966, uh, due

15:11

to drug use and, uh, the

15:13

Beatles being influenced by these teachers,

15:16

these gurus, uh, their music was

15:18

changing very fast and due to

15:20

them being arguably the most popular

15:22

band at that time, uh, this

15:25

is going to influence the rebellious

15:27

culture that is trying to

15:29

push away the roots of Christianity. And

15:32

I mean, it's not just, uh, the

15:34

new age, essentially at this time, we

15:36

have Charles Manson going on around this

15:39

similar time. We have, uh, what

15:41

is it? Jim Jones going on

15:43

at this time. We have so many

15:45

different things going on at this

15:48

time. We even have the government doing

15:50

tests on its own citizens with MK

15:52

ultra during this time. This is

15:54

a crazy time. The sixties were nuts. So

15:57

It was just like this perfect

15:59

storm for. Or this religion.

16:02

That. Is so against God and the

16:04

Biblical gospel. to come in and

16:06

see a rebellious group of people

16:08

better looking for peace other than

16:10

God. To then give them this?

16:12

Go say hey. This is something

16:14

you've never heard about. And.

16:16

This is gonna be something that you can

16:19

push towards and it's all his love. Love

16:21

is everything. I. It's the

16:23

self. You are one with dog because you

16:25

are part of God consciousness. Oh, just as

16:27

appealing to people expression when are on drugs

16:29

like that's just the reality of it. I

16:31

mean, people are the same way today. especially

16:33

lot of people I know who take a

16:35

lot of. Psychedelic. Or drugs.

16:37

They. Got the yet or off

16:39

the very same beliefs that people believed

16:41

in the sixties and seventies. Ah, it's

16:44

just a different flavor of it. So

16:46

I've kind of some of my thoughts

16:48

Sandeep would aren't about I am. I'm

16:50

a. Fan. He.

16:52

I like were amazon see.

16:55

Where. Am I saw me says on the

16:58

stage that ah. This

17:00

is what Hindu some is. With. No

17:02

backup. what's

17:05

say evidence for that yeah i

17:07

know a damn the beatles this

17:10

todd that hinduism is all about

17:12

love and and enter everything is

17:14

one and then on ah the

17:16

says is that and they got

17:18

right in that part that the

17:20

salsinha is actually the ultimate reality

17:22

know the brown month you know

17:25

the cosmic power yeah i is

17:27

is is all within you in

17:29

any have to discover that how

17:31

you do that you do medication

17:33

you just tank the puck the

17:35

yoga you know i just keep

17:37

on thinking about yourself and that

17:40

there is that power we the

17:42

new and are and that power

17:44

is actually can make you like

17:46

gardena and we know that that

17:48

that was the same very for

17:50

say enough lucifer ah he he

17:52

taught that he can be like

17:54

god and yet and sit on

17:57

the same tone as god and

18:00

and he was beautiful, but

18:03

that's the pride, the sin of pride,

18:05

and the Beatles were on

18:07

that path. Yes, and so in this

18:10

whole conversation, it's fascinating, we're talking about

18:12

the guru. In this case, the

18:14

Beatles brought over Hinduism, a lot of

18:16

the Eastern ideology by way, what was

18:18

the name of the guru again? For

18:22

the Beatles? Yes. Mahesh Yogi. Mahesh

18:24

Yogi, right. And what's just interesting is

18:26

that, what I'm just curious about is,

18:30

within the Hindu scriptures, where does

18:32

the idea of the

18:34

guru come in? Because

18:37

you have, again, you have the different Hindu scriptures,

18:39

you have the different gods within

18:41

Hinduism, but the idea

18:43

of being centered around one person that

18:45

people sort of gather around with to

18:48

get special enlightenment, special

18:50

knowledge, special understanding. Even

18:52

today, there's a lot of people who are Westerners who will

18:54

travel over to India to seek out a

18:57

particular guru. You saw that depicted in by the

18:59

Rājneesham, wild, wild country when they came over here.

19:01

And people saw that leader, the guy in

19:04

the Rolls Royce, as a guru. Next

19:07

to God. Yeah, how does that, where does

19:09

that idea, where does the idea come from

19:11

within the base tense of

19:13

Hinduism and the Hindu scriptures? So,

19:16

yeah, there's a scripture in Hinduism

19:19

called the Dharmasutra. In

19:21

Gautama Dharmasutra, over

19:24

there, it literally says that a

19:26

guru can be worshipped as God,

19:29

is equal to God. And

19:32

then we find in the

19:34

entire Vedas, actually, the

19:36

Chandogya Upanishad, the

19:38

Brihadaranaika Upanishad, Etraya

19:41

Upanishad, all of these Upanishads, which are the

19:43

last part of the Vedas, these are the,

19:45

you know, believed to be the

19:48

ancient books for Hindus. And

19:51

these are written, Hindus believe that

19:53

thousands and thousands and thousands of years

19:55

ago. So, all the

19:57

early texts of Hinduism, basically,

20:00

tells that the Chandogya Upanishad

20:03

literally says that the self

20:05

is that Brahman, the ultimate

20:07

reality or some people

20:09

call that Prajapati or

20:12

the cosmic, you know, the

20:14

God. Yeah. So

20:17

in other words, a guru who's gone truly into

20:19

their self, they detach fully from their ego and

20:22

other people are wanting to know how to do that

20:24

too. Yeah. So when

20:26

you achieve moksh, moksh

20:29

is the salvation. The

20:31

English term is salvation. The Sanskrit

20:33

term is moksh. You

20:36

get freedom from the samsara cycle, which

20:39

is called as a karmic cycle, the

20:41

karma. If you are Hindu,

20:43

you have to believe at least in two things. One is

20:45

that your body will die for sure.

20:47

So you will die one day. So

20:50

you believe in karma, the reincarnation cycle,

20:52

you have to believe it. Even in

20:54

Buddhism, you know, Hinduism and Buddhism has

20:56

little difference. Gautama Buddha was

20:58

born in a Hindu family. He

21:01

left Hinduism. He was born in a

21:03

Shatriya family, Shatriya caste. He

21:05

left the Hindu

21:08

religion. He brought up his, invented his

21:10

own belief that now we

21:13

know as Buddhism. So

21:16

Buddhists don't believe in gods. Okay.

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and also, doesn't it seem, though, somewhat

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contradictory in terms where you'll have somebody

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who's a guru. For example,

23:17

they'll say truth comes from within.

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Oh, that's a really insightful statement.

23:22

Well, but you need to follow

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me. It

23:26

seems self-contradictory in

23:28

terms where instead

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of, you need to find truth within,

23:32

but you actually need to look outside yourself and

23:34

find me to tell you that. Right. So

23:37

it seems somewhat antithetical to each other. Yeah,

23:39

yeah, if you remember, when

23:41

we went to the temple to investigate

23:43

what really this thing is all about,

23:45

you see the last thing, and over

23:48

and over, the guru was saying one thing.

23:52

Question, who are you? What

23:55

is the self? That what

23:57

all yoga centers, real yoga centers, okay,

24:00

who really knows yoga, the Vedanta

24:02

philosophy, not like yesterday a guru

24:04

popped up saying that 60 hour

24:06

yoga class I did from India,

24:08

I am like, no, no, no,

24:10

no. You go to a

24:12

real yoga center in India or like even

24:14

in the west of days in Indian Guru,

24:17

if you ask him what

24:19

is the first thing

24:21

that I should do, I am

24:24

to learn Hinduism or do start yoga, start

24:26

doing yoga from today. He will say first,

24:29

the book which even the Guru gave us, trying

24:32

to tell us that you should

24:34

buy this book, the question of

24:36

self, the self-realization, you

24:38

have to question who are you, and

24:40

there is nothing

24:42

like God, the superior, someone like

24:45

you. You are that

24:47

person and you can be that

24:49

person. How you do that? You

24:51

do that by meditation, by

24:53

yoga, by thinking that all

24:57

power which created this universe, that's

25:01

why before you do yoga

25:03

or meditation you chant, oh,

25:06

you make this kind of noise, thinking

25:08

that power, you

25:10

are calling that power. You are actually

25:12

trying to force yourself

25:14

actually, force your mind actually

25:17

to think that it's all

25:19

within you and you have

25:21

to find it out. You

25:24

have to realize that you

25:27

can be that Shiva kind of, you

25:29

can be that Krishna,

25:31

their sons of

25:34

God and maybe you are one

25:36

of them after doing yoga for

25:38

10 years. What

25:41

is Sandeep according to his wisdom? I

25:45

don't want to get too much off track but I think

25:48

it kind of has to go with

25:51

the search for knowledge

25:54

outside of the material world. Rather

25:58

you do it through yoga. Yoga

26:01

or transcendental meditation or meditation through

26:03

yoga Is

26:05

reality that I'm looking right now at

26:07

things this table I can is

26:10

it is this an illusion, right? Is this like my

26:13

unnecessarily? Okay,

26:16

explain that yeah You

26:18

know like you were saying the illusion, you know Like

26:22

most of the guru gods of the new age

26:24

if you see that video the Rajanish Is

26:27

trying to tell his devotees all Maya. It's

26:29

all illusion the pain which you see It's

26:33

just an illusion. It's not real

26:35

pain, you know, and you should

26:37

suffer, you know and and

26:39

so The

26:42

ways how you do

26:44

that is obviously through yoga and

26:46

meditation so you

26:48

try to meditate mostly

26:51

on yourself and Pretty

26:53

thinking you already have in your mind that

26:56

it's all within you and you have to

26:58

just find it out And

27:00

so a lot of these gurus, you know

27:02

in yoga centers They

27:04

start telling their you know followers

27:06

that start Just

27:09

making your mind blank, you know stop

27:12

thinking about anything. Don't think about anything.

27:14

Just make your mind numb Again,

27:17

that's not possible. You just think

27:19

about something right? You just can't

27:22

sit like maybe you're sleeping then You're

27:25

not sleeping. So you're awake. What are you

27:28

exactly thinking? You think about the self and

27:30

and again the the Bible the meditation

27:35

How the Bible says is you

27:37

meditate on the Word of God you you? Test

27:41

you know you test what what's

27:43

coming in your mind, you know Not everything

27:45

you get in your mind is is the

27:47

truth, you know or what you feel like,

27:49

you know Always examine that what the Bible

27:51

says you taste the spirit, you know so

27:55

mostly all of these gurus like

27:58

Rajanisha Mahayas Yogi Prabhupada,

28:00

Bhakti Vedanta, you

28:03

got Vivekananda, then Helena

28:05

Blavosky, I don't know, a lot

28:07

of people I think maybe

28:10

knows in your channel that Blavosky is the founder

28:12

of the New Age movement if you type you

28:15

get she was a Russian she went to

28:17

India read few Puranas, few

28:19

Hindu scriptures and again she tried to

28:21

mix all other religions also absolutely she

28:23

tried to mix in a Christianity like

28:25

in Asia the weight of philosophy is

28:28

like all are one and so

28:31

Helena Blavosky you know you know

28:33

the Theosophical the headquarter of the

28:35

Theosophical society is in the southern

28:37

part of India Chennai so

28:40

you can see how much the New

28:42

Age movement is related to Hinduism.

28:45

Oh yeah, you define

28:47

theosophy because I know we've talked about

28:49

Helena Blavosky in other episodes but theosophy

28:51

that the worldview and belief system that's

28:54

being depicted behind that can

28:56

you give a clip note summary of what that is? Yeah

28:58

Theosophy is basically your

29:01

it's somewhere related to the

29:06

ultimate reality you try

29:08

to mix everything you

29:11

try to think that there is a

29:13

superpower maybe

29:15

there is no God but there is a superpower

29:18

and you are trying to

29:20

get yourself aligned get

29:23

connected to that superpower how

29:26

you do that you do that by

29:29

obviously Kundalini you do

29:31

that by meditation Blavosky

29:34

was a huge

29:37

fan of meditation she

29:40

wrote books even but again she

29:42

tried to mix that with Egyptian

29:44

beliefs also I believe if

29:47

you see the Theosophical society

29:49

the symbol it has the ohm

29:51

sign and also you know kind

29:53

of a cross kind of sign

29:56

also so it has different kind of

29:58

signs the whole concept is

30:00

that all are one, you know,

30:02

there's no difference and the

30:06

whole question that it should be is that what

30:09

is the self all about? Yeah. You

30:12

know, why am I here? Yeah, or just

30:14

your part is the collective consciousness. Yeah, consciousness.

30:16

No, that's really insightful. Andrew, what

30:18

do you think about that? Yeah,

30:21

in terms of like gurus, even in theosophy,

30:24

we can find within the

30:26

New Age movement itself that

30:28

nobody teaches the same thing.

30:31

And I think that one of the

30:33

biggest schisms or one of

30:35

the biggest issues that I have even

30:37

within Hinduism is that there's no central

30:40

stability because of gurus, right?

30:42

So if you have this one individual, let me

30:44

give you an example. Hebrews 1 says long,

30:47

long time ago and many, I don't

30:50

know why I'm butchering this verse, long ago and many

30:52

times in many ways, God spoke to our fathers through

30:54

the prophets, but in these last days, he has spoken

30:56

to us by his son. I

30:58

essentially through a biblical worldview, see a guru

31:01

as being someone who could be what the

31:03

Bible would call a prophet, right? And

31:06

all prophets, if there are a

31:08

mouthpiece for God, should have a

31:10

form of stability within what they're

31:13

teaching because God says that he

31:15

never changes, right? So when there's

31:17

a prophet who's speaking for God,

31:19

what they're saying, let's say

31:21

from the Old Testament into New Testament

31:23

with Jesus, it should all be cohesive.

31:25

It should all teach the same thing,

31:27

which arguably I'd say the Bible does.

31:31

But within Hinduism, gurus teach

31:33

many different things. These people that

31:35

are like mouthpieces for God don't

31:37

even teach the same concepts, even

31:39

about God and his deity. Is

31:41

that something that you find as

31:43

an issue within Hinduism? Because

31:47

why they all don't say the

31:49

same thing, and there are many

31:51

gurus actually. There's so many gurus

31:53

in India, like there are

31:56

Gurus who has millions

31:58

of followers. And

32:01

like my his head millions millions

32:03

of followers are. Of the

32:05

they're gone under in our A

32:07

he was a monk. very well

32:09

known, millions of followers even to

32:11

this point in the northern eastern

32:13

part of India from where I

32:15

belong a huge a follow us

32:17

did they all die is in

32:19

A My grandmother is a follower

32:21

of Fog Guru who is based

32:23

in the northeast so in there

32:25

are western part no one follows

32:27

this girl as and they all

32:29

say that defend thing here is

32:31

the reason why because in puranas

32:33

in the Hindu. Scriptures if you

32:36

see are different. Hindu scriptures

32:38

are claiming that. At these

32:40

God. Is the main god

32:42

she put on a says that? See

32:44

why? is the creator? And. He's

32:47

though obviously the destroyer. He does the

32:49

season and ship or arts and and

32:51

so he sees us supreme or fall.

32:53

But if you read again, the Bhagavad

32:55

Gita. Over. Here Krishna

32:58

says over in a wooden against

33:00

that damn I am the creator

33:02

I am I am that lived

33:04

You are for everything I am

33:06

that see dina and and brown

33:09

marble on says bummer in of

33:11

the creators so are there so

33:13

many have so much of defenses

33:15

in our ah but again of

33:17

thus similarity you'll find is all

33:20

the gurus All of these gurus

33:22

they have the same one point

33:24

that a guru is worthy of

33:26

worship. Got on with her must

33:28

withdraw the text a it says over

33:30

there of that a guru is equal

33:32

for was soup and and they're obviously

33:35

the courts from tend to guilt when

33:37

he should be had their own echo

33:39

punishes where it says that says he's

33:41

the. Ultimate Reality. So

33:43

the gurus the other day

33:45

claim that ah, you

33:48

know i i i'm the best of

33:50

all you know any see how they

33:52

live their lives and on with luxury

33:54

an odi denise had like rolls royce

33:56

right yeah like literally like not was

33:58

a he had like There are so

34:00

many tents of roadster, a helicopter, a private

34:04

jet, I believe, and they have

34:06

their helipads on their

34:09

little helipads. And all of

34:11

these gurus, they all live

34:13

their luxury life. It's

34:15

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there was a prime example

34:49

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34:52

let's talk about the modern day

34:54

examples of that. Andrew,

34:58

did you ever hear about the documentary Bikram? Yes,

35:01

I believe so. The Bikram Yoga.

35:03

There's the Bikram Yoga Centers. And he was

35:06

another guy who was a guru that

35:08

came over from India. But

35:11

then he started a whole chain.

35:13

It was huge. And

35:15

it was like every middle

35:17

aged woman going through a midlife

35:20

crisis. And

35:22

Bikram, you watch the Netflix documentary,

35:24

it's like they're all there. But

35:26

the documentary takes

35:28

a very, very dark turn. And what you

35:30

end up seeing is that people

35:33

are doing... It's a mixture

35:35

of a bunch of things. So there's something

35:37

by Steve Hessen. He is a cult expert

35:40

on mind control. And he talks about undue influence

35:42

in group things. So if you're in a group,

35:44

that are all doing the same thing, you

35:47

get into a very suggestible, very vulnerable

35:49

state. And I think especially in an

35:51

environment where you're in a yoga studio

35:54

that's hot. And I've done it before.

35:56

It's like after like an hour in,

35:59

you're just in the flow. You almost have to

36:01

disassociate just to get through the hotness

36:03

and you're sweating out so much of

36:05

your body water weight And when

36:07

you're doing that But then you're also looking up to

36:09

this person you see as a guru Like

36:12

as enlightened who's going to be the

36:14

be all end all to help you

36:16

get you know to attend mochs Yeah,

36:18

what is it mochs the salvation that

36:20

not the last thing? Yeah But

36:23

when ends up happening in the documentary you

36:25

see like cases and cases of cases of

36:27

women who are sexually abused by this person

36:30

And I think he ended up getting off

36:32

scott free or he ended up getting out

36:34

of jail shortly and he was

36:37

in jail Yeah, yeah, but I think he's

36:39

out now. He's like starting another chain somewhere,

36:41

but it's like in I Was

36:44

thinking like that theology hurts people and

36:46

like I remember watching that documentary and

36:49

seeing example like bikram This is the

36:51

logical conclusion of where you

36:53

go when you end up believing that

36:55

you are God Like you can do

36:57

as you wilt And and

36:59

just play like you get you get to write

37:02

the rules as far as what you get to

37:04

do to people What do you do to take

37:06

advantage of people and you know

37:08

it breaks my heart to see people who go there for hope?

37:11

Meaning you know to make sense of their life

37:13

for you enlightenment But then they get

37:15

spit out the other end with a whole

37:17

boatload of trauma And if you

37:19

don't have the gospel like where do you end up? It's

37:21

a lot of nihilism and despair So

37:24

I think that would be another just one of

37:26

the examples recently of like the you know the

37:28

guru factor Just how you

37:30

see that affecting just modern-day America

37:32

now like what I know what do you

37:34

think about that? So

37:37

bikram you know he came from He

37:41

came to the US and he started his

37:43

own this thing Vikram

37:46

yoga and Like

37:48

you told that he already had so

37:50

many allegations and which were actually proven

37:52

that he sexually abused a lot

37:54

of these woman And and Ah,

37:57

is there any connection with real

37:59

Hinduism? Like many Hindus in a

38:01

horde of listening to this would say that that

38:03

said Guru did. The inner

38:05

that doesn't come from the Hindu scripture

38:08

rights imam and you don't say okay,

38:10

you don't see the crusades any don't

38:12

see though British Us and say okay

38:14

this is what crescendo is. You.

38:16

Know in real threat in our

38:18

by. But here's the point. As the

38:21

bible says in all that you

38:23

know you go fight, you go wage

38:25

war yona. So that's the that's

38:27

the point, you investigate and what we

38:29

are No but Vikram slice in

38:31

on. Ah and there's not

38:33

one of beat him there there

38:36

but the were joyous he does.

38:38

Guy wrote a book called are

38:40

like don't yoga and he was

38:42

mighty many times he was accused

38:44

of sexual our like the abusing

38:46

others and own many younger woman

38:48

actually I do many other gurus

38:51

actually people fly people to their

38:53

he said don't get as so

38:55

me a prominent gurus were accused

38:57

of us. Missoula sexually

38:59

abusing and we see this

39:02

thing in a humid pug.

39:04

Let them. Were Krishna

39:06

is healing. Ah, Hunchback

39:08

of Woman. Ah

39:11

she was on us I rode

39:13

and Krishna was passing by and

39:15

and Krishna saw this woman and

39:17

and he healed her and she

39:20

become a beautiful and on ah

39:22

normal perfect woman Now and so

39:24

does our woman Invited to Santa

39:27

to her house and Krishna goes

39:29

there and the woman in a

39:31

Krishna sleeps with the woman you

39:33

get to see a god is

39:36

involved with this kind of activities

39:38

in a So what Do. You

39:40

expect from Ah Vikram. Or

39:43

from a joyous in I would

39:46

do. Expertise is is so much

39:48

connected you know? Ah yeah. I

39:51

mean it's just like Psalm One Fifteen

39:53

and says that you become what you

39:55

worship. Essentially rant were actually yeah And

39:57

and not only that, own not only

39:59

Chris. Okay, move from Krishna, let's go

40:01

to the Shiva, you

40:03

know, I mean, Vishnu changing,

40:06

you know, here I'll say one thing,

40:09

there's a God in Hinduism, you know,

40:11

Hindus believe in the planets also, cosmic

40:13

gods and stars and, and bhrihaspati, bhrihaspati

40:16

is a Hindu God, a very prominent

40:18

God. There are

40:20

mantras which are, which

40:23

are given for bhrihaspati and

40:26

bhrihaspati raped, you know,

40:28

raped his brother's wife

40:31

called a mamtha, you know, so you

40:33

get to see all of these stories, you know,

40:35

I can imagine a God, you know, doing this

40:38

kind of things. We have Shiva, you

40:40

know, trying to like

40:45

grab a Mohini, you know, it was Vishnu

40:47

who changed to like

40:50

a female form, and then Shiva's wife is

40:52

angry because, you know, you get to see

40:54

all of these stories, you know,

40:56

and it's really not nice, you know,

40:58

Kali, the goddess Kali is related to

41:00

fertility again, Kali Kapurana, if anyone reads,

41:03

you get to see, there's literally it

41:05

is saying that you worship the

41:08

female, you know, private part, you

41:10

know, for worshipping. So this is

41:12

what Hinduism is, what do what

41:15

do we expect from the gurus, you

41:17

know, Vikram is

41:19

up, you know, everyone knows a

41:21

millions of people. So

41:25

I know not to be, I want

41:27

to be careful of this, maybe if you're people,

41:29

you have little ones listening around, just want to

41:31

maybe put in your earbuds, but if I can

41:33

just maybe be crass for a second, the

41:36

these Hindu scriptures when it talks

41:38

with the gods and their interactions,

41:40

specifically in relation to male and

41:42

female body, you know, their, their

41:44

private parts, there is

41:46

sort of this sort of like worshiping centric

41:48

part where it's like, that's the you have

41:50

a whole, you have a whole temple in

41:53

India, that's shaped like a phallus. Yeah.

41:56

And it's like the, the site like that sort

41:58

of distorted view of sexuality is deeply intertwined

42:01

like within Hinduism. So

42:03

how it seems though

42:06

when you actually look at the Hindu scriptures and even

42:08

the Hindu gods and like and a lot of them

42:10

like you mentioned was it Kali? Kali.

42:12

Yeah, Kali. So when you look at example

42:14

like you know we're just using like beacon

42:16

for an example I mean it's it

42:19

seems that it's something that's not a distortion

42:21

but it's a logical conclusion it's inseparable. Yes,

42:25

so like we know you know for

42:27

example like Muhammad had you know so

42:29

many wives right we

42:31

go back to the scripture always you know that

42:33

was my first thing when I was coming out

42:35

from Hinduism I always went back to the Hindu

42:38

scriptures the stories them you know all of these

42:40

stories how the Hindu gods were you know and

42:43

so the oldest Shiva

42:45

temple that we have for the

42:47

god Shiva is good

42:50

De malam temple alright in

42:52

this temple you literally see if anyone

42:54

googles good De malam temple Shiva temple

42:57

you will see a clear

43:00

picture of a male phallus

43:03

you know like a phallus you get to

43:05

see and people literally worship this it's exactly

43:07

how you know like a statue

43:10

idol of a phallus and people worship

43:12

I did that with my father they

43:15

pour milk and they touch that and they

43:17

bow in front of that and you see

43:19

you get to see how the the

43:23

ancient pagan gods you know Egyptian

43:25

mythologies if we know or the

43:28

Greek mythologies you know they used to

43:30

worship fertility deities actually so

43:33

is Hinduism is like a lot

43:35

connected with that kind of ideology

43:38

we have like she put on straight

43:41

out over there you know you know

43:43

when you see a Shiva idol you get to

43:45

see the the cylindrical phallus shape

43:48

and underneath the phallus there is

43:50

a female private part the

43:53

you know that female private part

43:55

so Shiva actually the god said

43:57

that Shiva's phallus should be

43:59

you know inserted in the female

44:01

private pie. If I can be

44:03

again, this is what we're talking

44:05

about. This is adult and mature

44:07

in content as far as some

44:10

of the things we're talking about here. So I

44:12

just want to say that and for kind of

44:15

layer my question here. But when you're

44:17

talking about these parts of the temple,

44:20

the milk, what does that symbolize?

44:23

That actually doesn't symbolize anything milk.

44:25

Basically people pour even water, the

44:27

holy water Ganga. When

44:30

we took our water

44:32

from Sultan Ganga, so people pour

44:34

water also. But it's just

44:36

you pour on

44:38

the phallus. It's just so weird and

44:40

the whole story is like Shiva's

44:45

phallus. The

44:48

male has to be connected with the feminine.

44:50

It's like a fertility worship. Literally,

44:53

there are so many verses in

44:55

the Hindu scripture. There is a

44:57

scripture called Vasishta Sutra.

45:00

In that Vasishta

45:04

Sutra over there it

45:06

says that even like

45:09

a child marriage comes

45:11

out straight from the

45:13

Hindu scripture. Over

45:16

there it says if a girl is not married

45:18

by the age of 12, the

45:20

menstrual blood should be drained by

45:22

the family. So you get to see

45:25

all of this weird

45:29

verses. All of

45:32

the Hindu scriptures actually going

45:35

to the Vedas also. Over

45:37

there in Brihadranaka Upanishad, as

45:40

part of a Veda over there it says that if

45:42

a man is offering a

45:44

woman a

45:46

gift to lay down with

45:49

him and if the woman

45:51

resists that the man can beat the woman

45:53

and forcefully take

45:56

her. That's in the Hindu scriptures? That's

45:58

in the Hindu scripture. Read that

46:00

a a sound is so much language or

46:02

spoke main body hadrian echo funny should as

46:05

part of the Raiders and over the eight

46:07

literally says this thing yeah yeah I mean

46:09

it's is very interesting or were talking about

46:11

your the Giroux and and it's sort of

46:14

this where the conversation is no we're looking

46:16

at the of Be Chrome or the Rise

46:18

Knees are just a lot of examples where

46:20

yeah people's is sort of Ben the Guru

46:23

a cult of personality even see him in

46:25

there's a lot of case studies here, even

46:27

in the United States, A people who have

46:29

sort. Of adopted those cult of

46:31

personality where lot of abuse has

46:33

taken place, people are manipulated taken

46:36

advantage of. I'm but as the

46:38

as he was saying as and

46:40

he was saying i actually showing

46:42

in the Hindu scriptures even specifically

46:44

about the type of i'm just

46:46

really distorted a perverted sexuality or

46:48

that comes like from that so

46:50

as not just some arbitrary thing

46:52

that were saying with this is

46:54

directly from their Hindu scriptures like

46:56

you decided chapter and verse so

46:58

it does seem very. Much that

47:00

your this is the logical conclusion

47:02

when you have somebody who plays

47:05

God like it in my five

47:07

five years into this. A.

47:09

Like whenever there's a cold and i'll call

47:11

a personality is seems that sexual abuse and

47:13

playing god they go hand in hand and

47:15

it seems very eye opening especially given what

47:18

he read or as far as like but

47:20

even the hindu scriptures almost backing that i

47:22

would it would be thing with on enter.

47:25

It it makes me think of something city

47:27

was talking about much much earlier and murmur

47:29

other episodes where he goes. Why? just couldn't

47:32

I'm silly. Go ahead and compare Jesus. Toshiba.

47:35

right? Among look at their lives. Like.

47:38

Just compare Jesus with many guru when we

47:40

just read something real quick from Hebrews Hebrews

47:42

for fourteen through sixteen and time since then

47:44

we have a great high Priest who is

47:46

passed through the have been Jesus the Son

47:48

of God. Let us hold fast or confession.

47:51

Or. We do not have a high priest who

47:53

is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses. of

47:56

one who who in every respect has

47:58

been tempted as we are yet

48:01

without sin. Let

48:03

us then with confidence, drawn here to the throne

48:05

of grace, that we may receive mercy and find

48:07

grace to help in time

48:09

of need." Jesus

48:12

would be tempted in every way, right,

48:15

that Shiva could be tempted, right, but without

48:17

sin, Jesus was perfect in every way. He

48:19

was impeccable. He was unable

48:21

to sin in that regard. And

48:23

so when I think about gurus or I

48:26

think about Shiva, I'm gonna do what Sandeep's

48:28

saying, right? I'm gonna go, well, let me

48:30

look at the life of Jesus. And

48:33

of course, if you're gonna believe in a God

48:36

who is different than the perfect

48:38

God, holy God, the one without

48:40

sin, like Psalm 115 says, you're gonna become

48:43

like the God that you worship, like

48:45

us as a Christian. I want to

48:48

imitate Christ, right? I'm not perfect. I'm

48:50

a sinful human being, but my aim

48:52

is to be more like Christ-like. And

48:55

I think that's an admirable thing to try to

48:57

be. But within Hinduism, if

48:59

you're gonna imitate Shiva, or

49:01

if you're gonna imitate Bikram,

49:03

or Bikram is gonna imitate

49:05

Shiva, you don't

49:07

get a world with peacekeepers and

49:09

people who actually love their neighbors.

49:12

Instead, you get a world that's actually

49:14

very selfish and self-fulfilling, which

49:16

is something that I find very odd

49:19

and contradictory within Hinduism in general. But

49:21

I mean, we have Jesus. I don't

49:24

need any of that other stuff.

49:26

And Jesus is so much greater.

49:29

Like, it's beautiful to me. Yeah,

49:32

absolutely. You know, all of these

49:34

scriptures, like Vasishta Dharamashutra, and all

49:37

of these Shri Puran, we

49:40

have the Upanishads, we

49:43

have the Bhagavata Puran. There's

49:46

two Bhagavata Puran, by the way. There's

49:48

Devi Bhagavata Puran, there's Bhagavata Puran, Shrimad

49:51

Bhagavata. I'm talking about the Shrimad Bhagavatam.

49:53

You get to see Krishna, like, you

49:56

know, stealing the clothes of the girls, and

49:58

he's joking around with his friends. and

50:01

then he's sleeping with a woman

50:03

whom he healed actually

50:06

and then we have Ramayana where we

50:08

get to see how Rama is

50:10

treating his wife so unfairly like

50:13

we like his own wife

50:15

Rama is saying that I don't want to accept

50:17

her anymore and accusing

50:19

her of many things we

50:22

have so many scriptures you know we see the

50:24

gods how they how

50:26

their character were you know how they

50:28

you know bhriha spati again we

50:31

get to see like he's raping his

50:33

brother's wife

50:36

like mamta you know literally I

50:38

mean these are the gods

50:40

you know it comes out from the Hindu

50:42

scriptures straight out of Hindu scripture she put

50:44

on so many verses you

50:47

know and then so that's the thing

50:49

you know what do we expect from

50:51

from from the Hindu gurus you

50:53

know a lot of people might say okay here

50:55

is a question who has been accused of this

50:57

thing look at this pastor what are you saying

50:59

yeah you know they might say okay there's

51:02

so many Christian pastors doing all of these things but

51:05

again here is the question when I

51:08

was coming out of Hinduism like

51:10

I was not coming out I was in

51:12

between in a struggling with what to do

51:14

I straight I opened

51:16

the Bible and I started to read

51:18

the Bible look at Jesus's life and

51:21

I started to do the same investigation I

51:23

was balanced when I was investigating and you

51:25

always should be balanced you know no matter

51:28

where the truth is leading you and

51:30

then I started to read the Hindu

51:32

scriptures and I this these

51:34

are huge differences you know these gods like

51:37

Shiva you know hugging in

51:39

a mohini in front of his

51:42

wife yeah the wife is angry and Vishnu

51:44

is is also like wondering what is he

51:46

doing you know Shiva this is the god

51:48

of yoga you know

51:50

yeah hot yoga Prada Pika and all of

51:53

this he's known as a lot of yoga

51:56

actually any Hindu you ask Shiva is

51:58

the is the person who should follow

52:00

for yoga and this person is doing

52:02

these things and what do you learn

52:04

you know that's the question what do you learn from

52:06

these gods and you see

52:09

Jesus you know he was tempted but he

52:11

met a lot of women right in the well

52:13

near the well he healed

52:15

a woman right

52:19

who was bleeding right we know that he

52:22

didn't go to her place

52:25

I mean these are huge major differences

52:27

we can't avoid all this I

52:30

mean you follow Hinduism you go to the

52:32

book you know yeah

52:35

yeah and then just one thing it is realize up here we're

52:38

gonna probably do one more segment but

52:40

yeah when I just

52:42

think about the whole thing when it

52:44

comes to the rise of the guru

52:46

like modern gurus you have even modern

52:49

examples like the well recent example in

52:51

history the rasneesh that were depicted wild

52:53

wild country in this case bkram you

52:55

know people are desperately seeking out now

52:58

as the West just begins to transcend

53:00

like literally like a friend there is

53:02

an ascension the Indian neopaganism there's

53:04

a hole where it's not necessarily atheism

53:06

it's kind of this sort of neopagan

53:09

pseudo spirituality like you know we're hanging

53:11

out with Will Spencer I think a

53:13

lot of history people are going to

53:15

India almost to escape yeah you know

53:17

thousands yeah thousands of people and anyone

53:19

Google is a rishikesh this place yeah

53:21

the hot spot for yoga you'll

53:24

see like all westerns you know not

53:26

just from America they're coming all over

53:28

the Europe Germany France you know Sweden

53:32

and they are just coming and so

53:34

fascinated over yoga but the

53:36

most sad part here is these people are

53:38

never given the Puranas

53:40

to read never given the

53:42

Vedas you know to read

53:44

they're just given maybe a small verse from

53:46

the Bhagavad Gita where it's nice so nice

53:48

you know yeah

53:51

no no no and even like interesting to maybe give

53:53

me your last thoughts as we wrap up here I

53:56

mean you're talking about the guru and

53:58

people kind of go to this person who's playing god God in

54:00

this, the Guru almost plays it. They

54:02

play a sort of a presumptuous mediator

54:04

between you and ascension, between you and

54:06

the finding your true inner self. But

54:09

in contrast to what every Guru is out there,

54:11

in contrast to everything you experienced growing up in

54:13

India as a Hindu in the highest caste system,

54:16

I'm going to read this

54:18

passage as we rip up here. In Hebrews

54:20

chapter 4, verses 14 through 16, it

54:24

says, since we have a great high priest who

54:27

has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son

54:29

of God, let us hold fast to our

54:31

confession. For we do not

54:33

have a high priest who is able

54:35

to sympathize with our weaknesses, but

54:37

who in every respect has been

54:40

tempted as we are yet without sin. Let

54:42

us therefore draw with come with confidence

54:45

and draw near to the throne of

54:47

grace that we may receive mercy and

54:49

find grace and

54:51

help in the time of need. When

54:54

you look at that passage, in

54:57

contrast to everything that is offered

54:59

in Hinduism and whatever Guru

55:02

is out there, Jesus

55:04

verses all the other Gurus, Jesus

55:06

verses Kali, Jesus verses Krishna,

55:10

why does Jesus stand above as

55:12

the ultimate mediator? Because

55:14

who Jesus was, how he

55:16

lived his life, you get

55:18

to see in the Gospels, from his birth

55:23

actually, from his

55:25

birth he was born in a

55:27

poor family, not like say Rama, born in a

55:33

rich family. He was born

55:35

in a manger, so that shows

55:37

the whole concept that God

55:39

is close to the poor people

55:44

of this world and

55:46

also to the broken hearted. So

55:48

the whole entire life of

55:51

Jesus was the most important

55:53

thing which actually helped

55:56

me to come out of Hinduism. When I

55:59

started to study the entire

56:01

life of Jesus, you know, till

56:04

the time he went to the cross,

56:06

you know, like I was telling in

56:08

Bhagavata Purana 16, it says that there's

56:10

two ways how you can die. Either

56:12

you read the Vedas while you're dying,

56:14

or you go to the war, that's

56:17

the best, best place, best way to

56:19

die, you know, when you're fighting the

56:21

battle. And then we have Jesus,

56:23

you know, all of these differences, you know,

56:25

Jesus meeting the woman, how he's handling

56:30

the whole thing. And then Krishna meeting healing,

56:32

same thing, they're doing the same thing, healing.

56:35

But then you have this sharp difference,

56:38

Krishna healing, and then what he does,

56:40

Jesus heals and what he does, you

56:42

know, yeah. No, absolutely, man.

56:45

Well, thank you so much. And if anyone wants

56:47

to check out your Facebook channel, we'll have links

56:49

in the description called I Am The Next Hindu

56:51

Brahman. Definitely enjoyed that. So all that

56:53

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