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Media Pressure Season 1 features

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the untold story of Mara

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Murray, hosted by Mara's sister

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Julie Murray. 21-year-old nursing student

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Mara Murray went missing from

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Haverville, New Hampshire on February

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9, 2004,

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after crashing her car. Witnesses saw Mara

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after the crash, but when police arrived

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minutes later, she was gone without a

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trace. You have heard Mara Murray's story

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from so many others in the past.

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For the first time ever, you will

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hear from those who knew Mara, many

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of whom have never spoken to

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the media before. Hosted by Mara's

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sister, Julie Murray, a new podcast

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from Sarah Turner's Voices for Justice,

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Media Pressure Season 1 premieres

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Monday, February 5, 2024.

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Media Pressure features exclusive interviews and

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brand-new information about Mara and the case

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that has never been shared before.

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After hearing countless others tell Mara's story,

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Julie is ready to cut through the

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noise and focus on the facts

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of the case. Listen and follow Media

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Pressure on your favorite podcast player.

1:06

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more. Cups

1:38

up, everybody. Cups up. Let's start the

1:40

show. So you guys, it's been a

1:42

year, and I don't just mean like

1:44

a year as in like a lot

1:46

happened, but it's been a year since

1:48

we went official with COJ, so

1:51

congratulations and happy anniversary to both

1:53

of you. Mandy, you reminded

1:56

me, and some people online reminded

1:58

me that when we date. debuted,

2:02

we debuted at number one nationally,

2:04

which is No Small Feet. And

2:07

we debuted two slots

2:09

above Jason and Travis

2:11

Kelsey, my boyfriends,

2:13

who I remember you explaining to me

2:16

who they were then. I had no

2:18

idea who they were. And

2:21

now they're like number one in the

2:23

world. Like they're number one everywhere. Yeah,

2:26

they're every... Yeah, they will not

2:28

be beat. And that's okay.

2:30

They have a great podcast though. Nor

2:32

should they. Yeah. They're good people.

2:35

They're really good people. And also I

2:37

just remember at the time of being

2:40

like, whoa, they're both going to be in

2:42

the Super Bowl next week and we're ahead

2:44

of them. That's amazing because Philly and Casey

2:47

were in the Super Bowl last year. And

2:50

I think their podcast, I don't know

2:52

how old it is. I feel like

2:54

it debuted around the same

2:56

time, right? Yeah. As of now a fan

2:58

of theirs and a fan of their show,

3:00

I do have some insight into that. So

3:03

yeah, they did. They're fairly new. They

3:05

are so good at podcasting and

3:08

that's a difficult thing to do.

3:10

Like they're engaging, they're funny, they

3:12

talk about things that not every...

3:14

Like they obviously have a niche

3:17

audience with football and now with

3:19

the Swifties, but they talk about

3:21

things in a way that like

3:23

engages and entertains a huge

3:25

audience and they're football

3:28

players. Like football athletes are not

3:30

used to that type of entertainment

3:32

and that type of having that

3:34

kind of talent and it's extremely

3:36

impressive. And also I'm just really

3:38

sick of people being incredibly jealous

3:41

of their success and I'm all

3:43

for it. I hope the Kelsey's get a reality TV

3:45

show. I will watch it every week. I

3:48

hope... I love seeing all the

3:50

sponsorships that the Kelsey family is getting. Like

3:52

every time I open up Instagram, Mama Kelsey's

3:54

like got a new... Here's a Ziploc bag.

3:59

You go girl. You're doing great. I

4:01

guess it's a viploc impostor, Mandy. Yeah, I

4:03

know. It's great. I'm like... Jason stole

4:05

the Pro Bowl this weekend. The Pro

4:07

Bowl was on. And Jason, with all

4:09

of his outfits, stolen. I mean, he's

4:11

just... He's an everyday man. You

4:14

could see him just drinking at a corner bar,

4:16

stopping his car and playing a pickup

4:18

basketball game. And certainly

4:21

last night, Taylor Swift just stole the

4:23

show at the Grammys. And Travis wasn't

4:25

there, which was sad. I mean, he's

4:27

prepared for the Super Bowl. Somebody's

4:31

gonna say, well, he should have been there

4:33

or whatever. I mean, she's making sacrifices, obviously,

4:35

to go to all of his games and

4:38

come back from Tokyo. But they're trying to

4:40

make it work. And it's good. It's good

4:42

for football. It's good for society. It's good

4:44

for the NFL. Podcasting

4:47

of football players is a new thing.

4:49

I mean, Kelsey's are doing it.

4:51

Micah Parsons, the middle linebacker for the

4:53

Dallas Cowboys, has a very popular one.

4:55

And I like to think that they're

4:58

kind of doing it because we were doing it. You know what I

5:00

mean? Yeah. That's definitely what it was,

5:02

Eric. It makes podcasting cool. That's

5:05

definitely it. Yeah. I'm

5:08

for one, I'm glad that he didn't go to the

5:10

Grammys because

5:13

they would have blamed

5:15

her if he dropped

5:17

a pass or the

5:19

Chiefs didn't win. Anything

5:21

that could have possibly have gone wrong

5:23

in the Super Bowl, they will blame

5:25

Taylor Swift for, which I'm getting really annoyed

5:28

at. The point is, we've been on

5:30

for a year. We've had,

5:32

obviously, good, I would say,

5:34

great success. But you would say good, some

5:36

could say good success. I think

5:38

our podcast has educated a

5:41

lot of the people who listen to

5:43

us regularly. I think we've had an

5:45

impact. Certainly, there's a lot of judges

5:47

that listen to it. Politicians

5:50

listen to it, whether

5:52

I say something positive or negative. I know it's

5:54

getting to people because I'll hear from them to

5:56

say, hey, you shouldn't have listened to it. I

5:58

think I've learned so much. much from you

6:00

guys about how to speak in

6:02

front of a camera which I you know

6:05

was a new phenomenon with

6:07

the start of this and you know the

6:09

voice you have to have and you know

6:11

how to interact with you guys when you're

6:13

speaking or we disagree and I think the

6:16

future is bright for us. We're

6:18

very grateful for our audience and I'm

6:20

great as I said I'm really grateful for you too.

6:23

Thank you Eric I feel the same. Speaking

6:26

of our audience and just a little

6:28

bragging point because I think that this

6:30

week I truly began to understand the

6:32

size or the amount of our reach

6:34

even though I know there are a

6:36

lot of people out there listening and

6:39

just can picture it

6:41

sometimes. It didn't really occur

6:43

to me just the power of our

6:45

words just what that impact looked like

6:47

so I'm really now more

6:50

grateful than ever for it and it

6:52

really feels like we have people who

6:54

have our backs and I

6:56

just want to say thank you to the people

6:58

who do have our backs out there and it

7:00

just it's just a nice thing. I didn't ever

7:02

let it resonate with me before just because there's been

7:05

so much going on but this is

7:07

our first week really without having

7:09

Murdoch breaking news like Murdoch constantly

7:11

like us constantly feeling like if

7:13

we don't speak up if we

7:15

don't get on the phone with

7:17

sources if we don't you know

7:19

think hard about this and make connections

7:22

that Alec is going to get away

7:24

with something and this past

7:26

week we didn't have to spend the week doing

7:28

that. I don't know did you guys feel that

7:30

like I could I could really feel that it

7:32

just I didn't have to

7:34

spend every day thinking about this person and

7:37

what what tricks even though we know it's

7:39

not fully over it just felt

7:41

good it felt really nice to

7:43

have that. For me it felt

7:45

like processing where team Myrtle is

7:48

right now not so much

7:50

Alex but where Dick and Jim are

7:52

and and the spin machine that is

7:54

now working about oh we're so excited

7:56

about our appeal and what's

7:58

next for them and you know, you

8:01

sent an email to Mandy and

8:03

me about, well, it doesn't look

8:05

like their plan that they've hatched

8:07

last spring is going to

8:09

bear any fruit. And so what's their next

8:11

move? So I, when I was out West,

8:13

I was thinking, okay, what's their next move?

8:15

Is there a move anymore? They almost checkmated,

8:17

you know, I wanted to talk to hear

8:20

from you guys. Where do you think they're

8:22

checkmated or they're losing

8:25

at the chess match, but they still may have

8:27

a couple moves that we don't see. What do

8:29

you think Mandy? I'm really

8:31

tired of people saying, oh, they're playing

8:33

chess. Checkers did it.

8:35

No, we've seen it enough.

8:37

They've lost and lost and lost and lost.

8:40

And they wanted to win this

8:43

month really, really badly. This month

8:45

was their big chance and they

8:47

blew it. And

8:50

instead of admitting that they blew it,

8:53

they, they've done what they've always

8:55

done, they changed the narrative. They say, we didn't really

8:57

mean to blow it. Oh, we're just setting it up

8:59

for the big appeal. It's really

9:01

hard to get a murder conviction overturned and

9:03

the appeals court. Am I right about that?

9:05

Eric, like people are asking. It's

9:08

less than, it's less than

9:10

2% under the best of

9:12

circumstances. And Alex's those

9:14

odds even produce another 50%. But

9:17

let me get this straight. You would rather

9:20

win down the road six, seven

9:22

years from now in federal court. And

9:24

all that time, Alex is going to be a

9:26

murderer in jail, a convicted

9:28

murderer with all the repercussions of being

9:31

a child killer rather than

9:33

you winning this motion and possibly

9:35

getting a trial next fall. So

9:38

your, your strategy is I don't

9:40

want the trial now closer to

9:43

possibly win it. So he could be

9:45

a not guilty murderer and only a

9:47

financial crime convicted person. You'd rather wait

9:49

six or seven years down the road.

9:52

Come on, man. It's funny. I, you know, I

9:54

think in our last episode, I was grateful that

9:56

so many people liked it because I felt like

9:59

I. was just existing on adrenaline

10:01

at that point, I couldn't form my thoughts

10:03

clearly. But in looking over

10:05

this past week at people's reaction and watching

10:08

the people sort of trying to save face,

10:10

we have to remember that a good deal

10:12

of media, you know, not

10:14

necessarily stake their careers on their

10:16

prediction, but certainly are trying to

10:18

double down on that because they

10:20

want people to believe that

10:23

it's still in play, that

10:26

Justice Tull was a good pick

10:28

for the defense and it's

10:31

bearing fruit now because Justice Tull has

10:33

preserved the record seemingly, I

10:36

guess, from their perspective in Alex's

10:38

favor down the road just because

10:40

she did acknowledge that Becky Hill

10:42

wasn't completely credible and that Becky

10:45

Hill did speak to one or

10:47

more jurors out of turn, though

10:49

she did downplay those comments by

10:51

calling them fleeting and foolish. They

10:53

do, they're holding on to that. I

10:55

can just see them holding on to that so

10:57

tightly. But can you imagine, let's

11:00

look at the opposite. Wait a minute, wait a minute,

11:02

Liz. You are

11:04

positing that they knew they

11:07

were going to lose and they're happy that

11:09

there's an appellate record? No, I'm not positing

11:11

that, Eric. That's

11:13

what they said during the press conference. That's

11:15

what they indicated. They're not just Dick

11:18

Harputlian thought. I know from many

11:20

sources that Dick Harputlian told people

11:22

inside the State House and throughout

11:24

the judicial community since August they

11:27

were going to win this motion.

11:29

Yes. Thank you for saying

11:31

that because that is exactly what we were hearing.

11:33

He thought they had it, yes. But

11:35

then in the press conference they were

11:37

like, this is exactly, we knew going

11:40

in that this was going to be

11:42

and we're doing, yeah, exactly. So we

11:44

have to talk about that press conference

11:46

in a little bit because it's something, especially

11:48

if you watch it more than once. Yes,

11:50

so what? What do you want? That's

11:52

what Dick started off with. Yeah, what do you want?

11:55

What do you want? What do you want? And

11:59

then it was all. almost like a press

12:01

conference of like a basketball team

12:03

or something after they lost and

12:05

they came out and were like,

12:07

yeah, well, we did that on

12:09

purpose. So

12:12

we could shake ourselves up. Well, they're saying that

12:14

because had the state. So let's look at

12:16

it from this perspective. If the state had

12:18

won, there's the state had, I'm sorry, if

12:20

the defense had won, the state would have

12:22

appealed is their argument, right? So this would

12:24

have been caught up in appellate court no

12:27

matter what. Like you said, Eric, we

12:29

know that's not what they were saying behind the scenes.

12:31

We know that they were saying basically

12:33

that this was a sure thing. But I

12:35

will say they knew they lost at the

12:37

status conference, right? I mean, they knew that

12:39

they needed the law to be completely interpreted

12:41

the way they saw it in order for

12:43

them to get any traction on this. So

12:46

let's look at that. Let's say, OK, had Dick

12:48

and Jim had they won their motion, what

12:50

will we be looking at? Like, what will we be

12:53

talking about today? Right. What would their next move have

12:55

been? Wouldn't they have been trying to get Alec out

12:57

on bond again in some way?

12:59

Wouldn't like what could they have done? Well, he could.

13:01

Oh, because of the 27 years. That's right. Right.

13:03

Right. But they would have tried to have

13:05

a bond set. You're right. But what

13:08

they would have done is Dick probably would

13:10

have asked for another speedy trial. And

13:13

I'm not sure he would have invoked

13:15

his legislative immunity. They would try to get

13:17

it on the docket as quick as possible.

13:19

And remember, Dick said, oh, no, we can't

13:21

do the financial crimes until way into 2024

13:23

next fall. But somehow

13:25

he would speed up the murder trial. No,

13:28

I mean, this is

13:30

just it's irresponsible for

13:33

these newspaper journalists to go there and

13:36

say, oh, this is a good thing

13:38

for the defense. They got it wrong,

13:40

as did a lot of other journalists.

13:43

You guys didn't get it wrong. And

13:45

you're getting no credit for getting it right. Well,

13:48

that's not true. Our listeners have given us

13:50

a lot of credit. Our listeners realize it.

13:52

And our listeners are. That's

13:54

a lot of credit. Right. And

13:56

I throughout last Monday, I was

13:58

getting a lot. The messages from

14:01

our listeners saying rigged i just

14:03

turned into court Tv just turned

14:05

into whatever. In. There were

14:07

like everybody else is saying that this

14:09

is a guarantees. That they are

14:11

absolutely gonna get a new trial in. You

14:13

guys are the only ones. He

14:15

had they're not like what is going

14:18

on here. I also seems that. People.

14:22

In the journalists who are fooled by

14:24

Dick Harpootlian we few sir reg recognize

14:26

that they were plane and fooled and

14:28

so they just double down and double

14:30

down and like. A perfect

14:33

example and of your saw

14:35

the Washington Post yesterday but

14:37

old Kathleen Parker Watson and

14:40

both sees lose had another

14:42

call on that very pro

14:44

Murdoch about the hearing. And

14:47

Kathleen was in Columbia, South Carolina and

14:49

it's very well known that she is

14:51

friends with Dick and Gem. She didn't

14:53

say that and or columns ever, but

14:55

it's well known. I saw record their.

14:58

Shoes or. Yeah. She's She's very

15:00

chummy with the elite of

15:02

Columbia. The. End. Which

15:05

are Now she's. I've

15:07

been on a kid and he said he wants to

15:09

be. Or is she

15:11

said it didn't jury tampering. Did it

15:14

happen? Which is a weird thing for

15:16

her to say. He and

15:18

she also said that different part

15:20

really bothered me She said listen

15:22

no one besides the defense and

15:24

wanted and the wanted another trial

15:26

for Alex Murdoch to happen and

15:28

that's when I was reading and

15:30

like wanted to throw my phone

15:32

and of lose that because place

15:34

you are lying A you are

15:37

lying right now look around you

15:39

the whole press is hungry for

15:41

another trial They are foaming at

15:43

the mouth to get another murder

15:45

trial. They don't care what it

15:47

means. That as a some this isn't

15:49

their system. they don't care like. I.

15:52

Don't tell me that nobody else wants

15:55

this they wanted and they wanted it

15:57

said already named. It mandated retrial as

15:59

the Sun. One of my closest

16:01

friends were probably been calls me Monday

16:03

night and says hey, I just heard

16:05

the ruling I'm really sorry. For.

16:07

Your last I said why would he

16:09

me He said oh you're going to

16:12

be upset because now there's not. Could

16:14

be another trial, he won't get to

16:16

do more. Talk about the Alex I

16:18

see drugs Have you been listening? For

16:20

a year or since August we've been

16:22

saying we don't want another trial. We

16:25

think justice was done. It's not good

16:27

for South Carolina, It's not good for

16:29

the legal system and quite frankly, I

16:31

don't want to live anymore without Myrtle

16:33

in my life. Saying to people. Not

16:36

listening on my thing at Like Lives

16:38

you're saying do we do you feel

16:40

that their friends and it's weird. but

16:42

like so many times I've like gone

16:44

into a panic and last six months

16:46

cause I just started to go through

16:48

like how many charges as the have

16:51

left after that like okay as the

16:53

murder shot at the murder charges are

16:55

actually dropped. a where do we sit

16:57

there and just picturing down the line

16:59

of like ten twenty years of the

17:01

possibility of Alex getting out and then

17:03

starting to panic about that like that.

17:06

Is a real saying that we

17:08

all were going through for the

17:10

last six months and in the

17:12

victims all of the victims and

17:15

Alex Murdoch the many people who

17:17

have stood up against san they

17:19

didn't want is overturned at all

17:22

like a wouldn't just cause so

17:24

much unnecessary panic and Greece for

17:26

so many people. Enter. Word.

17:29

And the other thing is that

17:31

like Alex has is no further

17:33

along proving who, proving his innocence

17:35

and he was a year ago,

17:37

they've made zero headway with that.

17:39

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Eric, do you think that there's any

19:31

chance that they actually were like they've

19:33

actually done any work and looking for

19:35

the quote unquote? Real killer. no

19:37

absolutely not all it is is

19:40

just self aggrandizement by do to

19:42

stay relevant to say that he's

19:44

got to see group and you're

19:46

going to have to wait for

19:48

me to when i'm gonna deliver

19:50

it's look originally it was cousin

19:52

eddie then somehow turn to the

19:54

oh and the farm worker who

19:56

was there when quarter satterfield which

19:59

killed the know, one of the farm

20:01

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20:03

don't you think that somebody would be

20:05

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20:07

say, look, here, I got this information,

20:09

I can give it to you, what

20:11

are you going to give me in

20:13

return? Remember, two people can't keep a

20:16

secret forever. So there had to have

20:18

been over the last two

20:20

years, some clues, somebody said something, there's

20:22

nothing guys. The reason is they got

20:24

the guy and they got the guy

20:27

because you can look in his eyes

20:29

and know it. He doesn't sit there screaming,

20:31

I'm innocent. He doesn't look like I'm innocent.

20:33

Let me tell you something, guys. If I

20:35

was innocent and didn't kill my wife and

20:37

kid, I would have stood up and screamed,

20:40

I am innocent. I don't

20:42

belong in jail. But he doesn't ever

20:44

look like that. He walks into court,

20:46

he's skipping around, he's shaking hands. Listen,

20:48

you would be screaming if you were

20:51

innocent. Signing documents too.

20:53

Did you guys notice he was signing all

20:55

those documents at the beginning of the hearing

20:57

with Holly, the Dick's paralegal? Yeah. What is

21:00

that? Is that more transferring of things? I

21:02

guess maybe for him to get permission

21:04

to get documents given to him. Look,

21:06

I've looked into that guy's eyes for

21:09

a long time at these hearings now.

21:11

He is a dark guy.

21:14

And let me tell you something,

21:16

he is hearing about our podcasts.

21:18

He knows a lot about what

21:21

we are saying. Either he's listening,

21:23

somebody's listening or feeding it to

21:25

him. Look, Dick knows what we're

21:27

saying. Everybody has their little spies

21:30

listening to our podcast. Why? Because

21:33

they want to know what we're going to say.

21:35

Because it's important. That's scary stuff. And no, I

21:37

don't want Alex Murdock coming out. He's going to

21:39

harbor a hell of a lot of ill will

21:42

towards us three over the next 10 years. Don't

21:44

kid yourself. He probably doesn't know Maryland as

21:46

a state though, to be fair. I mean,

21:48

I think anything outside of South Carolina and

21:50

the Caribbean, he's not real keen on. So

21:54

he wouldn't even know how to get here. I think I'm

21:56

okay. I am, but you're fine. Mandy and I

21:58

and David aren't. Yeah. Okay,

22:00

I illegal, right? So I think

22:02

that number one thing we should mention though as

22:04

not just like even tell by looking at

22:06

Alec that he's guilty, it's it's more of the

22:09

evidence is clear and Judge Justice all pointed that

22:11

out as as said Judge Noom and but opponent

22:13

mention that in their press conference they didn't just

22:15

bring up like Dick wasn't bringing up the

22:17

murder investigation to be like by the way I

22:20

have made some headway and here's or snow it

22:22

was a reporter holding him accountable to him saying

22:24

that earlier. So stink you to a reporter. whoever

22:26

that was that, ask that question because the

22:28

put him on the spot. Of course he's gonna

22:31

make it look. Likely get the little glint

22:33

in his eye and there's something going

22:35

on there. Did you to notice that

22:37

Gym Griffin seem to be personally hurt

22:39

by people making fun of the fact

22:41

that their theory on back he wanting

22:43

to tamper with the jury was that

22:45

she wanted fame and fortune. It seems

22:48

to me of all the things that

22:50

was where his vindication was on Monday

22:52

he he got a little bit of

22:54

indication from that. Yeah, and what an

22:56

odd thing to focus on. What

22:58

I don't focus on the real beat

23:00

of it which is the teachers looked

23:02

you in the eye and say this

23:04

is my verdict They were sounding li

23:06

rejected to carpool lane and Gym Griffin

23:08

they said this is my verdict. Sure

23:11

yeah Jersey. She. Was you know

23:13

vacillating is judged are just as tall

23:15

said but you to live ensures look

23:17

them in the i looked out for

23:19

me I'd say that's. My. Birds yeah that's

23:21

why it was funny that he glommed

23:23

onto that because it showed that like

23:25

a it almost made me think liked

23:27

it was gym aware of the ridiculousness

23:29

of.a theory and this is now celebrating

23:31

that Somebody validated it in some way

23:33

by saying that Becky was answering the

23:35

siren call of celebrity. You know is

23:37

is it just like this Is likely

23:39

it's. Like off and cost six.

23:41

A got a sub she thought to

23:43

school because he really was and yeah

23:45

I know. That. That you

23:47

likely made a lot of those comments

23:50

rights you know thou, wanting to read

23:52

a book about wanting to get at

23:54

lake House or whatever. And other comments

23:56

like I had agree with Tall were

23:58

fleeting and foolish. They're just a. Small

24:00

town clerk thinking about the big city

24:02

not a never having done their never

24:04

having been. Ah it appears anywhere. You.

24:08

Know it was exciting to her and

24:10

we said this allied this: This is

24:12

so exciting to her. So does he

24:14

have to look at like as can

24:16

you assign meaning to those comments because

24:18

she wasn't sitting there plotting out if

24:20

I don't get desk and that isn't

24:22

it Decisis, This is somebody who. Can't.

24:25

Spell certain words. Having this theory that

24:27

you know you need guilty. Verdict: To

24:29

sell books or whenever it like it's not.

24:31

Somebody who you can put a lot

24:34

of weight on what she saw it

24:36

was going to com after the trial

24:38

you know, and that's what was so

24:40

ridiculous about it. And that's obviously what

24:42

young what an understanding what we are

24:44

making fun of him for. Ah, we

24:46

were never saying the lake. She wasn't

24:48

attracted by the siren call of celebrity

24:50

Lake. We've said that all long we've

24:53

noticed this time and time again it

24:55

really attention really changes people and the

24:57

opportunity to get attention really changes people

24:59

and it make them do really weird

25:01

things. And. That he

25:03

was definitely swept up. We all

25:05

saw it, but that's different from.

25:08

Her. Writing out a list that flake. Step.

25:11

One get a guilty verdict. In

25:15

a step in and do

25:17

and manipulate all the jurors

25:19

into voting guilty. Ah, that's

25:21

where we were Like now

25:23

that didn't happen. Yeah, she

25:25

wanted a book in. Maybe

25:27

she was convinced that. A

25:30

book would have sold more as a

25:32

was a guilty verdict on I honestly

25:34

do a I don't know who told

25:36

her that because that it would have

25:38

been a much better book if it

25:40

was a hung jury. Rights are sore

25:43

send you talk. About. The evidence. and

25:45

how could they not see it at

25:47

what was going on behind the scenes

25:49

and wire in like a yeah, I

25:51

mean that would have been an interesting.

25:54

Verdict for her perspective but at that age

25:56

is thought it was that it was just

25:58

sad again and not even sad. The track

26:00

of Dick Engine to be like oh were

26:02

validated because see also said that Becky wanted

26:05

to be a celebrity and flank we've all

26:07

known that. who cares, Yeah, we were calling

26:09

it popular like she wanted to be in

26:11

the popular crowd and that was pretty obvious

26:14

just from when we were there. Who

26:16

she was appealing to ask but again

26:19

they edo. They. Wanted to win

26:21

this motion. Didn't. Wanna lose

26:23

this motion? And. Eat

26:25

A. We talked about it from an appellate

26:27

standpoint. There's that could be

26:29

a rush for this appeal for justices

26:32

to do this or if they do

26:34

sooner or later people are gonna say

26:36

no amer. What about all these other

26:38

people still have their of cases up

26:40

on appeal and I don't think I'd

26:42

say galaxies got his last quarter of

26:45

favor. Oh and the having his matter

26:47

pushed to the forefront and I think

26:49

you know the more. To

26:51

Dick says the stuff that he says. I.

26:54

Need to? Four judges are going to say,

26:56

you know what? I've had enough. a harpootlian

26:58

to he could be on the judiciary committee,

27:00

but so what? So. Eric One of

27:02

the accusations as floating out there

27:05

right now by people who don't

27:07

know better Ah, is that the

27:09

sixes in that the state wanted

27:12

to preserve that like the the

27:14

courts were motivated. To protect

27:16

the verdict because. Of you

27:18

know, not wanting to disrupt the system

27:20

or I'm not wanting to have egg

27:22

on their feet. What

27:24

are your thoughts on that? just as idea that

27:27

I'm just a soul Went in with a. An

27:31

idea of what's your twenty two? because we

27:33

did see that, you know, and sixteen out.

27:35

See obviously had pre written

27:37

some of her order. though

27:40

much of it was easy i mean

27:42

to say this mandy and i if

27:44

we were working in a daily news

27:46

organization at the time of the hearing

27:49

last week we would have had to

27:51

stories written or to beginnings restore a

27:53

like as journalists we would have anticipated

27:55

what their outcomes were and we would

27:58

have had stories prepared that we be

28:00

the first to have it published. So

28:02

we would just leave X's where details

28:04

go and we would update

28:06

the first paragraph. We would have a quote in

28:08

the second paragraph. We'd hit publish and then we

28:10

would continue to update the story and we'd have

28:13

a little editor's note at the top saying, this

28:15

story is going to continue to be updated. Like

28:17

we would be prepared and it would look like

28:19

to the outsider probably that we knew what the

28:21

outcome was going to be or that we're really

28:23

quick writers. But the truth is there's a lot

28:25

of what we call B-matter which can be written

28:27

ahead of time. So it felt like a lot

28:29

of what Justice Tull had on her order was

28:31

B-matter. Justice could be written ahead of time and

28:33

then she filled in the blanks with what

28:35

her decision was. You are 100% correct

28:37

and because she went in chronological sequential

28:39

order. She started with the status conference.

28:42

She started with the telephone calls. She

28:44

started with what we were going to

28:46

do in this hearing. She then went

28:48

to Juror X on Friday and

28:50

then she went through Juror Z and then she

28:52

just went down. And so I know

28:54

for a fact that when she would take breaks

28:56

she would immediately run back to her office

28:59

and she wasn't on the phone.

29:02

She was working. Okay. That's a

29:04

working judge. The fix. Are you

29:06

saying the fix? Look, there's no

29:08

question that our court system wants

29:10

to preserve jury verdicts. It's not

29:12

a good thing that you

29:14

overturn jury verdicts. We have a jury system.

29:16

You get a jury by your peers. Certainly

29:20

they wanted to preserve Judge Newman's legacy,

29:22

not necessarily the verdict but his legacy.

29:24

He had to recuse himself. Whether they

29:26

wanted to make sure they appointed a

29:28

judge who was going to vote against

29:31

Alex Myrtle, I do not believe in

29:33

that. I believe that she is a

29:35

senior judge who would have faced

29:38

less backlash as opposed

29:40

to a sitting everyday

29:42

circuit court judge. So

29:44

I think it was given to Justice

29:46

Toll because she was a senior judge

29:48

and if she was to rule in

29:50

Alex Myrtle's favor, she would take the

29:52

heat. She's a judge that you saw

29:54

can take the heat. So she wouldn't

29:56

care what anybody said. But another sitting

29:58

judge, that's a different story. So

30:00

I think she was picked because

30:02

she was a senior judge, not

30:04

because she was going to give

30:06

a prefixed result. How about you,

30:09

Mandy? What are your thoughts on that when you hear people

30:11

say, like, the fix was in? Because how are they saying

30:13

on the one hand, the fix is in? And on

30:16

the other hand, they're saying this is what Dick and Jim wanted. I

30:18

feel like the same people who say the first thing are saying the second

30:20

thing. Right. And it's also

30:23

the same people that were predicting that he

30:25

was going to get a new trial. And

30:28

it's like, okay, well, if the fix was

30:30

in, then you'd think that the one person

30:32

that would be in charge of the fix

30:34

would have been in on that. And so,

30:37

I mean, they're just talking in circles. And

30:40

it's really frustrating

30:43

to see and to watch

30:45

and to see people that,

30:47

like, I used to think were smart. And

30:49

now it's like, what in the world?

30:52

What are you even thinking? Like, how

30:54

are Dick and Jim – how do

30:56

they have this hold over you so

30:58

much that you're literally talking in circles?

31:01

And for journalists, it's like, I've been

31:03

really disappointed in a lot of journalists

31:05

because they don't even care about their

31:07

own reputations anymore. Like, they are so

31:10

on Dick and Jim's side that they

31:12

don't care that it further – I mean,

31:15

we have a really big problem right

31:17

now with the public not trusting journalists

31:19

and the public's trust in

31:22

journalists eroding further and further every

31:24

year, and they're getting worse and

31:26

worse. And the way

31:28

that I've watched these journalists operate, it's like, oh,

31:31

my gosh, you don't care if anybody trusts you.

31:33

You're just going to keep writing what they want

31:35

you to, and I don't get that at all. So

31:38

what is the board left? What is the board? Is

31:41

there a board anymore for Dick and Jim

31:43

and Alex? Is there a board that they're

31:45

playing on? Or whatever the

31:48

public thought that these Svengales were

31:50

working on since last April? Is

31:53

there a board left? Or was there never

31:55

a board? I think it's a twister board,

31:58

honestly. You're

32:01

not checkers or chaz. They are. Cleaning

32:05

the guard and they're like the. Foot. On

32:08

read yeah if it.it's.

32:11

Yeah. I'm I wanted to see

32:13

something a little bit about the journalism.

32:15

A part of this because I'm and

32:17

maybe can attested us when we're reporting

32:19

on a story, particularly one like the

32:21

Murdoch story where there's just so much

32:23

misinformation out there. when you're taught talking

32:25

to a source who says white, you're

32:27

just excited to hear because it's affirmation

32:29

of what you mean a might have

32:31

put together in your head, you still

32:33

go. That second step to find out

32:35

is if this person's part of that

32:38

echo chamber, right? So even though they

32:40

don't necessarily have to tell. You where

32:42

they're hearing it. Depending on your relationship

32:44

with that source, you do want to get

32:46

down to that so that you can

32:48

understand that this person is saying independently of

32:50

maybe you putting that idea out there and

32:53

asking other people. And then the game. A

32:55

telephone happens and sources are talking to

32:57

sources and and it just comes back to

32:59

you that way so you always want to

33:01

be careful of.and then the other thing is,

33:04

even when you're. You can't

33:06

say why you know something or whose

33:08

son something to you. He is still

33:10

as as engaged in conversations with people

33:12

like okay are we. Is. Your

33:14

source somebody.got their law degree like we're

33:17

just trying to like. Make sure that

33:19

we had different sources saying this, and

33:21

do those two sources know each other

33:23

without saying who those people are? That

33:25

makes sense way it's been so interesting

33:27

to me.com. There's. This than as

33:29

such an echo chamber with in the

33:32

media and it's not all media other

33:34

they're certainly have been great reporters on

33:36

this hill to that step to the

33:38

side and stayed out of the fray.

33:41

But among the key ones I think

33:43

who are as we say carrying water

33:45

or advocating for sticking jam without meat

33:47

even understanding that that's what they're doing.

33:50

Ah.echo Chamber. seen it. Repeat. itself

33:52

and i think we talked about this before where

33:54

they will say well this has been widely known

33:56

this has been widely known and it's like how

33:58

is it was like you have to look at

34:00

the people that you're having conversation with during

34:02

the breaks and are those people getting the

34:04

same information that you're getting from the same

34:06

people? And I don't know that there's

34:08

that critical thinking happening. And then the second thing I

34:10

want to say about journalism is that I have been

34:13

so disappointed in Kathleen Parker.

34:17

I was an opinion columnist for a

34:19

very long time and she was somebody

34:21

who I looked up to, didn't

34:24

always agree with her, but I always liked

34:26

her reasoning. I liked her light tone. I

34:28

loved her use of language

34:30

and I had just seen

34:32

that fall apart. And so in this

34:35

past year, I've lost maybe

34:37

a hero of mine, like right up there with

34:39

Maureen Dowd, somebody

34:41

that I held in just such high esteem. When I

34:43

met her for the first time at the courthouse, I

34:46

just was so excited to meet her that I think I

34:48

probably came off as a little

34:50

off putting because I was so

34:52

effusive. So was I, by the way, at the

34:55

trial. I met her at the trial. Yeah. I

34:57

mean, I wanted Kathleen's part. I wanted her

34:59

life. I wanted to work for the Washington

35:01

Post and live where I want. And that

35:04

just was my goal for so

35:06

long. And I just so

35:08

profoundly disappointed in her because I think

35:10

that when we're talking back about the

35:12

echo chamber, and this isn't to say

35:14

like, obviously she can have an opinion

35:16

that differs from ours. We're not saying

35:19

she can't, but the

35:21

foundation of her opinion, I find it so flawed.

35:25

And so that's where my disappointment lies. And I

35:27

think that she has become, and maybe has always

35:29

been, and I just didn't see it, just shoulder

35:31

to shoulder with maybe some of the wrong people

35:34

here. And I think I, and I'm with you.

35:37

I really wanted to be a

35:39

columnist and opinion journalist. I was

35:41

a columnist in college for my

35:43

college newspaper. And there

35:45

really weren't a lot of female

35:49

voices in her, on

35:51

that level. Those

35:53

columnists were males when I was in college.

35:56

And Kathleen Parker, I've also

35:59

looked up. to her for a

36:01

long time and it's just been another

36:05

emperor has no clothes situation kind

36:07

of like you actually

36:09

see what they're doing and you peel the layers back and

36:11

you're like oh that's really

36:14

not something that I want to look up to

36:16

and it's not the kind of work that I

36:18

ever want to do. I

36:20

think my biggest problem with it is she

36:22

never she's never honest

36:24

about where she's getting

36:28

her viewpoint from. She's

36:30

never honest that like she moves

36:32

in these circles. That's what bothers

36:34

me. She moves. Yeah, she's a

36:36

part of these circles, right? And

36:39

to the rest of the country it looks

36:41

like most people don't even know that she

36:43

lives in Columbia. So like it

36:45

looks like she's this outsider that's just

36:47

been interested in this Murdoch thing and

36:49

comes in to chime in. It's like

36:51

no, she's a part

36:54

of this machine in a

36:56

lot of ways and it's just

36:58

it's incredibly disappointing. Well, you know you

37:00

see Dick for instance and you

37:02

ask okay how can they these

37:05

reporters still you know fish in his

37:07

pond all the time. The

37:09

reason is like last week I mean

37:12

Biden was in town and they showed

37:14

a picture and who's sitting there two

37:16

seats down from Biden next to Clyburn

37:18

is Dick Harputin. And so they feel

37:21

like that they got to be close

37:23

to him because he must still be

37:25

that power broker. Well, I think politically

37:27

he's a power broker but he is

37:30

dangerously close to becoming irrelevant as

37:32

a go-to lawyer or

37:35

a big time lawyer that

37:37

when he talks you should listen

37:39

because you know he's talked

37:41

like he has a paper mache

37:43

you know what so many times.

37:45

So as a politician yes he's

37:48

close to Biden and he's close

37:50

to the power of the Democratic

37:52

Party. But as a lawyer anymore I

37:55

think a lot of people are starting to

37:57

see that Emperor like you said without clothes

37:59

on. And they're hitching

38:01

their wagon to dick and maybe they're hitching

38:03

their wagon because they see he's a politician

38:05

more than a lawyer. I want

38:07

to talk about that in a minute, but Eric, we will

38:10

be right back. I

38:30

think I forgot to tell you guys this and I'm going to

38:32

make sure I can say it on air,

38:34

but do you guys know that there's going to

38:36

be somebody running against dick in the primary? I

39:00

had heard that. I didn't hear that it

39:02

was somebody good. I just heard that he

39:05

was going to have an opponent. Who is it? I

39:07

really don't know. Somebody good? Somebody

39:10

good in the primary. In the primary.

39:12

So who would that be? I

39:15

don't know. It's a man. It

39:17

would have to be a Democrat. It has a name.

39:20

It would really, really bother me if

39:22

Dick Harputin was elected again in South

39:25

Carolina. That would just kind of

39:27

crush my soul. And I know

39:29

that he also is a separate person

39:32

kind of. I know that

39:34

he's done good things on the Senate, some good

39:36

things. I have to admit

39:38

that. And I get crap

39:41

for this a lot. People say you

39:43

personally just don't like him and that

39:45

clouds your judgment against him. Well, I

39:47

think he's a terrible person, and I

39:49

don't think that we should have terrible

39:52

people representing us in the State House.

39:54

I think that he represents a lot

39:56

of bad blood that has

39:58

been around for weeks. too long and

40:01

he is a part

40:03

of a powerhouse that I do

40:05

not agree with. And I think

40:07

him being voted out of office

40:09

would be a significant thing for

40:11

South Carolina. And him not

40:13

having the power politically, like you were

40:15

talking about, Eric, his

40:18

power is definitely dwindled within the courtroom.

40:21

I mean, we've all seen it. If

40:24

he had magic before, he doesn't have it anymore.

40:27

But for him not to have

40:30

those statehouse connections and to not

40:32

have that power as a state senator,

40:34

that could be a really big change and

40:36

I would be happy to see it, depending

40:38

on who runs against him. But

40:40

you know, don't lose sight of the fact

40:42

that you started this, Mandy, not because you

40:45

wanted to become a superstar. You

40:47

started this to change the system. That's

40:50

what you too did. If you read,

40:52

if anybody reads your book or they

40:54

listen to you guys from the start,

40:57

you felt that this system need changing.

40:59

The 14th judicial circuit, starting with

41:01

Myrtle and what's going on in

41:04

the solicitor's office with Duffy Stone

41:06

on different cases and the judges,

41:08

Judge Mullen and Judge

41:10

Buckner and everybody down there. It started with

41:12

that. And then, you know, you

41:14

started to really examine not only the

41:16

court system and the legal system, but

41:19

our political system. That's what you wanted

41:21

to do. You were

41:23

an outsider who didn't have the

41:25

connections and the relationships that would

41:28

prevent you from doing what you've

41:30

done. You being an outsider

41:32

let you do what you wanted to

41:34

do. Yes, it was dangerous. It was

41:37

career reckoning if it didn't work. But

41:40

that's been your whole goal is to change

41:42

the system. So it makes natural sense when

41:44

you say, I don't want Dick Hart Pootley

41:46

to be elected. And people say,

41:48

well, it's because you have animus towards him. Yeah, I

41:50

do. But it's the right

41:52

kind of animus. It's good trouble, as John

41:54

Lewis used to say, I'm doing good trouble.

41:56

Right. I don't like bad people. And

41:59

I don't. I don't want bad people

42:01

representing the state of South Carolina

42:03

any longer. And I'm tired of

42:05

that and I'm tired of people saying, well, Dick's just

42:08

going to be Dick and meh, meh, meh. And

42:10

did you guys notice how much reporters

42:13

again laughed with him last

42:15

week, not only in his press

42:17

conference, but... In court. In

42:20

court. And every time

42:22

I just get a sick feeling in my stomach,

42:24

like they're still doing it, they still don't get

42:26

it. It's

42:29

just representative to me of

42:31

literally they're laughing along with him. It's

42:34

just so indulgent. I hate it. Let's talk

42:36

about Steven for a second. Liz,

42:39

we are going to be digging back

42:41

into the Steven Smith case this week.

42:44

How do you feel? I feel good. I'm

42:46

really happy. And you know,

42:48

sort of looking into the Steven Smith case

42:51

again, it's kind of the same way I

42:53

feel about maybe like doing taxes in the

42:55

sense that like there's so much that I

42:57

put off. And so

43:00

we have like a year of, two

43:02

years really of conversations,

43:06

tips, hearing

43:09

their research that we've done, things

43:12

that we've read, lies

43:14

that we've seen, mischaracterizations that have been

43:17

out there. And now going

43:19

back and like you have this pile of paper

43:21

in front of you where you're like, if only

43:23

I had been keeping up on this every month.

43:26

It would be much easier because it's very

43:28

frustrating to look back and say, I mean,

43:31

there's something satisfying about being like, oh, that's

43:33

right. Disconnects to that. And now

43:35

I know better. Now I have a better

43:38

vantage point for that. So I'm excited about

43:40

that part, but there's just been so much

43:43

and now it's time for us

43:45

to really put our focus. And

43:48

I think that this is why it's just so great

43:50

that he was not granted a new trial because we

43:53

don't have to constantly be like this waiting for

43:55

the breaking, waiting for the next thing that Dick

43:57

and Jim file constantly.

44:00

So I'm happy about that. I

44:02

also think it's going to give

44:04

accountability to Sled and Chief Keel,

44:08

who had in

44:11

their quiver to be able to say, look,

44:13

you know, our manpower is being deployed again

44:15

by myrtles machinations. And

44:17

we got diverted away from the

44:19

Stephen Smith investigation because we had

44:22

to do all, you know, devote

44:24

the manpower for interviewing jurors and

44:26

collecting information. Look, I

44:29

wrote Chief Keel

44:31

this week already for

44:33

another update. I will

44:35

tell you, I am frustrated. It

44:38

pains me to see Sandy Smith

44:41

sitting in Alex Mertal's

44:43

hearings. And she was there on

44:46

the 15th, and she was there this past

44:49

week. She

44:51

deserves answers, and I

44:53

am really growing frustrated

44:56

that I'm starting to

44:59

get down and think this is going

45:01

on for a year since they

45:03

announced it was almost in March that

45:06

his death was by a homicide. And we have

45:09

a reward out there. And

45:11

I'm really upset with Sled that

45:13

we're not getting more progress. Although

45:17

I'm not going to say that they're not working

45:19

on it. I'm just, you know, I'm

45:22

upset. Well, let's be clear. The entire –

45:24

it looked like the entirety of the

45:26

Murdoch cases Sled agents were in the

45:28

courtroom this past week, last week. So

45:30

I wonder, you know, I want to

45:32

give them a little bit of grace

45:34

just because I know

45:36

what it's been like from our perspective when we have

45:38

much more heart in it. And

45:41

they do. And much more – we're

45:44

much more, I think, hard on

45:46

ourselves maybe about not having

45:48

that focus that we need to have on it.

45:50

And so I think that, again, Alec – you

45:52

know, some people have said to me, do you

45:54

think that Alec and Dick and Jim create

45:57

such bluster to keep Sled agents away from

45:59

it? from the Steven Smith case. And

46:02

I obviously don't know the answer to

46:04

that, but those are the kinds of

46:06

things that we hear. So Sled now

46:09

should have the time to handle

46:12

this case. And I think Sandy

46:14

sitting there isn't just

46:16

an important message to Sled,

46:19

but it's an important message to

46:21

those who know what happened. You

46:24

might think that, I mean, if

46:26

you've lived in any sort of stress

46:28

over the past two years that the

46:30

secrets might come out, get ready

46:33

because it's gonna be worse for you. Yeah,

46:36

and I think that finally we're going

46:38

to have the mental space that we

46:40

just did not have last year. Liz

46:42

and I operate very

46:44

similarly where we just don't

46:46

wanna open another box until

46:49

the first one's closed and

46:51

that Murdoch box would never

46:53

close last year. And it

46:55

was just in, Steven

46:58

has something so close to our hearts and

47:00

that just lingers in

47:02

our minds every single day.

47:05

And we want to know what happened

47:08

and we're gonna do everything that we can. And that's

47:10

all that we can do. And

47:13

we're going to keep making noise about it. We

47:15

are going to keep talking about it. And

47:19

we really, no more

47:21

excuses of Steven being shoved to

47:23

the side. It's

47:25

time to have honest conversations with sources

47:28

and find out what happened. What about

47:31

the fact that we still have a

47:33

hanging chad, couple of them, one, the

47:35

Labor Day shooting with Alex, do you

47:37

ever think that'll be tried? And then

47:39

also Judge Gergel's sentencing in federal court

47:41

coming up. And Liz, you told me

47:43

this morning that the pre-sentence report is

47:45

done, which we hadn't heard and that

47:47

lo and behold, Alex

47:50

is objecting to it. What can he be objecting

47:53

to? He's not just objecting to it. He

47:58

needs 30 more days to be. able

48:00

to object to it because he

48:02

says that he hasn't received the report

48:04

yet in the prison mail system. But

48:08

I, you know, I would question whether

48:10

or not that report was available maybe

48:12

last week and whether he was handed

48:14

it in the courtroom there. So I would

48:16

want to know the answer to that. If I were the U.S.

48:19

attorney working on this case, though I suppose it

48:21

doesn't matter. So

48:23

I guess in March or April,

48:25

we will begin. Well, in March, we'll

48:28

be getting March 6th, I believe,

48:30

is the date when we'll be getting

48:32

there. If Judge Gergel grants them that

48:35

extra time, we'll be hearing what their

48:37

objections to the PSR is. And

48:40

unfortunately, that's the only way we'll know what

48:42

was in the PSR, right, is their objections

48:44

to it so that they might even try

48:47

to, you know, get that

48:49

sealed. And I hope Judge Gergel doesn't

48:51

do that. I hope he keeps, yeah, I hope

48:53

he keeps that open. It's important. What about the

48:55

Labor Day shooting trial? You think we'll ever see

48:58

anything about that or cousin Eddie? Are they just

49:00

going to let that hang? What are your thoughts

49:02

on that? So Jerry Rivers is set

49:04

to be sentenced next week, next

49:07

Monday. He is one of the

49:09

so-called co-conspirators in all of this.

49:11

And we're

49:13

still waiting to find out all of what

49:15

the drug trafficking that Alex supposedly

49:18

was, he was charged with drug trafficking,

49:20

Alex was, but that was dropped as

49:22

part of his plea deal, which is

49:24

really irritating because the Labor Day shooting,

49:27

we just, you know, Mandy has said from the beginning, those

49:29

are not strong charges. They fall

49:32

apart really easily once you start to look

49:34

at exactly

49:36

what he is accused of doing, because you

49:38

can't really have insurance fraud if you didn't

49:40

actually commit insurance fraud. And you can't

49:42

have insurance fraud if you didn't have an insurance policy.

49:45

So that is the other sticking

49:48

point there. Beyond

49:50

that, so what are you left with? You're left

49:52

with a false report

49:54

to police and that's a misdemeanor. So

49:56

what about discharging a weapon on a

49:58

public highway? or a crime

50:00

with that? Yeah, that would be Eddie. Yeah,

50:03

I mean, Eddie will probably face more than

50:06

I mean, unless I don't

50:08

I mean, I saw that his lawyer said that

50:10

she is upset, you know, that he hasn't gotten

50:12

due process in this and she's correct. He hasn't.

50:15

But now that the new trial has been denied, I

50:17

mean, like, we always felt like they

50:19

were holding on to Eddie, for

50:21

some reason, right with the murder trial

50:23

just to keep him

50:25

unsatisfied. So now, now

50:29

what do they have, you know, and like a

50:31

lot of Eddie's charges are going to be Alex's

50:33

word against Eddie. And that's

50:35

a wash. I mean, so

50:37

I, I don't

50:40

know. They've always

50:42

been very weak. He would, I

50:44

would love to know what actually happened, what

50:46

went down there and how it was connected

50:49

to drugs. Exactly. I want

50:51

to know what fledge found in

50:54

Alex's car on

50:56

the day of the shooting, because I've

50:58

heard some things about that. We

51:01

I'd like to know that they're getting

51:03

to the bottom of breaking up whatever

51:05

drug source was down there, wouldn't you?

51:07

Well, we're told that there's several

51:09

cartels operating in the Lowcountry. So

51:11

which one was Alex supposedly operating

51:15

with? We don't know. And what do

51:17

you call a cartel? I mean, I don't know. So

51:19

well, we got a lot. We

51:21

got a lot going on. We do. We sure do.

51:24

So with that said, guys, great

51:27

show, as always. Cups down. Cups

51:29

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