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Hello. Hello. Hello. You're listening

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to the CyclingTips podcast. My name is Abby

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Micky. This is our final episode

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of the year. It's been I'm

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not gonna lie. It's been a long one. It has been

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a long year. It feels like

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simultaneously, it feels like we're

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still in twenty twenty, and it also

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feels like it's twenty thirty. So

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I am joined by

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As always, James Wong, James.

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Hello? I wouldn't say as always, I've been

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a I've been a pretty rare participant

0:42

over the last

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call. That's true. That's true. Okay. Wait. Scratch

0:44

that. As always, Ronan

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McLaughlin. Oh, I've been I've been replaced.

0:51

Hi, Ali. I I

0:53

like the cemetery here that, you know, you're you answer

0:55

just as as the last podcast of the year

0:58

when I say to that last podcast of

1:01

what could be the last podcast ever

1:03

for all we know, isn't it? Yeah.

1:05

It is my last my last podcast

1:07

for CyclingTips, which is a little bit

1:09

sad. But also

1:13

the last podcast of the year for cycling

1:15

tips. Mhmm. That

1:19

was essentially

1:21

Also, the last podcast, the late the

1:23

last cycling news podcast for Johnny

1:25

Long. Yep. Maybe also

1:27

last podcast ever. I don't think anyone else

1:29

is gonna be foolish enough. To let me

1:32

join one of these again. So I'm gonna have

1:34

a You don't think you're gonna have

1:36

a podcasting gig over at

1:38

British cycling? Well,

1:40

you just scooped the later the late the

1:42

with the later news item that we're gonna discuss. But

1:45

I

1:45

was I was gonna say, I haven't heard about this. What

1:47

what did what did you look? No.

1:50

That's a joke for you. Just messing

1:52

around. Yeah. Nice. really like that I call back,

1:54

Abby. That was a that's the perfect send off.

1:56

So Thanks. Like, did people listen

1:59

to our previous episodes? Because if they didn't, they're

2:01

gonna be really confused. Yeah.

2:02

And they and so they I know Amy didn't listen

2:04

to the type of podcast. Oh, we see.

2:07

Amy. Amy Jones,

2:08

everyone. Amy, you've been exposed.

2:10

They are the big charge now. Twenty

2:12

twenty

2:12

three, look out for the big British cycling, greenwashing

2:15

podcast hosted by yours truly. It's

2:17

gonna it's gonna be doing something different.

2:19

Ugh. And finally, last

2:21

but for sure, not least, David

2:24

Everett. David Chadi

2:24

Everett. Shadi? Hello? Hello. Hello.

2:27

How

2:28

are you feeling today? Bloody cold actually,

2:30

and sad causes your last one obviously.

2:33

But yeah. Cold and sad.

2:35

It's been a that that's a terrible

2:37

combination. It's been quite the journey.

2:39

Can we get a, like, a what what

2:41

temperature is it there? I I wanna I wanna know how

2:43

cool do you think it is Or how you I

2:46

called it actually as when you think it's called nightially

2:48

given that you live in such a warm part of

2:50

the world.

2:51

Right. I've got proper self defibondist.

2:53

It's probably about it's

2:55

probably about ten degrees today

2:57

outside. And we have to

2:59

eat in on at the moment, but is

3:02

dumb, and I've been wondering around me

3:04

cycling.

3:04

Is there a thing where you mute somebody? How

3:06

how you do that? I

3:08

have been wondering around me attempting

3:10

to get out the door. So, like,

3:13

that hasn't kept me the warmest. So I blame

3:15

the cycling kit, Adam.

3:17

I've just got soft on her. This is terrible

3:19

for someone who I grew up in the northwest

3:22

of the UK where we meant the admin to

3:24

winching about ten degrees outside

3:28

I I apologized to oh, we felt all

3:30

combrands out

3:30

there. I

3:31

was gonna say your northernness has been

3:33

revoked now.

3:35

Yeah. I have I have to I have to change accent.

3:38

I just wanna point out that

3:40

our our projected high temperature here on Thursday

3:42

is supposed to be I I went ahead and did the conversion

3:44

year. It's supposed to be minus eighteen Celsius

3:47

for the high for the high on Thursday.

3:51

I I'll also point out that for

3:53

I did the comparison here, and ten degrees Celsius

3:56

is fifty Fahrenheit. And

3:58

or farmer leader, Katie

4:01

Fritz once told me a way

4:03

of understanding Fahrenheit, which

4:05

actually I have to agree with him and that Fahrenheit

4:07

is actually the one imperial

4:10

measurement that is better than metric and

4:12

that

4:12

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. It is.

4:15

This is a perfect example because fifty

4:17

degrees Fahrenheit it's literally

4:19

it's a halfway day. It's not really that

4:21

hot. It's not really cold at all in

4:23

either direction. It's middle of the

4:25

road fifty out of one hundred. No.

4:27

Fifty degrees Fahrenheit. You you have to wear

4:29

leg warmers. The way that you But you

4:31

couldn't you certainly couldn't classified as

4:33

cold or freezing, and you couldn't classified

4:35

as a hot either it's in the middle. It's

4:38

five of them. It's where leg warmers. Tough diapers.

4:40

Sephora, it's cold. No. It's it's too

4:42

cold to expose the knees. You have to

4:44

break down the temperature based on what

4:46

if your legs are exposed or your arms

4:48

are I see what you're trying to do here. AbbVie, you're

4:50

trying to drag us into this. AbbVie

4:53

is trying to drag us into the ewarmer debate

4:55

them. We just have not got time in this podcast

4:57

to could time never to date.

4:58

No. Needwarmers shouldn't exist. This

5:01

should be relieving it at that. This

5:02

should be a lovely CyclingTips that I

5:04

couldn't have bought, but

5:06

I simply don't have time to write it.

5:10

Anyway, Let's

5:12

get into the bulk of the episode, which

5:15

we we well, I would say we

5:17

try to record on Mondays. And this week,

5:19

we decided to wait a day because we just

5:21

really We're hoping for the

5:23

confirmation of the question that

5:25

has been going around for the entire

5:27

off season. Technically,

5:29

the confirmation never came. However,

5:32

Cav's was spotted

5:34

at Asthma's team camp in Spain.

5:37

So that's as good

5:39

as a confirmation for us at this

5:41

point. Because raise

5:43

your hand if you're sick of talking about this.

5:47

I could Johnny says Johnny is like

5:49

so excited it. So I'm just gonna pass it

5:50

over. You can try. I can talk

5:52

about this. I mean, after this podcast,

5:54

we'll be talking to about it to myself

5:57

for weeks to come. It's I've been

5:59

trying to think of an analogy for

6:01

for the whole thing, but the the own

6:03

there's there's not one. It's just going to be

6:05

so funny. Seeing Mark

6:07

Cavendish in in the star in a kit

6:09

because I can't imagine he's too happy

6:11

about it. Like, he's just gonna be

6:13

like next year, we're good. Like, maybe it's his last year,

6:15

we're gonna see on full cab mode

6:17

every single day of the year, and it's gonna

6:19

be it's just gonna be wicked. It's

6:23

I mean, him at the door with,

6:25

like, Case Bowl, who's apparently also

6:27

moving, trying to lead him out. And I'm not sure

6:29

if they've got anyone else helping lead him

6:31

out. Is gonna be he's

6:34

gonna be his piss will be boiling, like,

6:36

before the rollout of stage one.

6:40

I just I can't wait I can't wait to see the

6:42

react the, like, interactions between him

6:44

and, like, the the staff. It's

6:46

just gonna be It's

6:48

just like the perfect and

6:50

like, I don't wanna just come across as like, hating

6:52

on because I think it's impossible

6:54

to to love or hate him. You've just Astana pay

6:57

attention and it feels like this is

6:59

the natural end of

7:01

in this world we live in of Cav's

7:04

career that he ends up

7:05

Astana. I just don't

7:08

have to send him in time so he can get

7:10

involved in them wrap for deals

7:12

that seem to do every year.

7:14

Yeah. That too. I mean, the thing is I haven't I

7:16

haven't contemplated that yet because if if that

7:18

comes on, that's just a bonus that makes it all

7:20

I I would love it if they actually did another

7:22

wrap video this year. And in the video,

7:24

they panned over to Cab and in

7:27

in the shot, it's just him, well, like, AAA

7:29

smirk on his face just, like, just shaking his head

7:31

Astana I don't know. Like,

7:34

when I picture in a rap video,

7:36

it makes total sense to me. Have you guys

7:38

seen the the Instagrams of

7:40

his

7:40

house? He has some absolutely ridiculous

7:43

MTV cribs. -- like massive

7:45

massive, really weird, really

7:48

weird art. And so I feel like Yeah.

7:50

Rat video for that guy. He also dresses

7:52

a bit like that as well. Like, like, some gray

7:54

joggers, like, what white t shirt, like

7:57

they're they're like the pit like what's it called?

7:59

It's not like a baseball cap. It's like an extra

8:01

I

8:02

don't know. I don't know. The different types, but

8:04

it's like the worst type of baseball Yeah.

8:07

It's gonna and maybe when he comes

8:09

out his verse in the rap, he'll do the thing that

8:11

he doesn't interviews when he doesn't wanna be there, but

8:13

doesn't wanna get told off he'll just

8:15

talk really quietly about this so that you

8:17

can't really understand what you're saying.

8:20

And it will be it will be great.

8:22

That's me done. Thank you for giving me that

8:25

platform ID. No. You you you

8:27

can't be done because we have to filter. Oh,

8:28

okay. We're talking about tab. But I

8:31

will say Go

8:33

for

8:33

it. I will say all joking aside, I do

8:35

not like this move.

8:38

It's it's just not a good end to

8:41

a fantastic career that he's had.

8:43

And, you know,

8:46

here's a guy who could theoretically next

8:48

season and there's probably all John, if

8:50

he gets a ride in the Tour de France to

8:52

break the all time winning,

8:55

stage winning record. And

8:57

he is Selling

8:59

on sofas and teaming up with two of the most

9:01

notorious figures in the sport. It's just

9:04

III just can't get on board with

9:06

us. And even

9:08

Foristana as a team they've had, perhaps,

9:10

their worst season ever, and

9:12

to address that, they've invested in

9:14

a guy who is presumably

9:17

gonna, you know, stop within seconds of

9:19

breaking that record or at the very best

9:21

make it to not make it to

9:23

terms of these empire. But suffice it to turn to France and you

9:25

can't imagine he's gonna have too many

9:28

goals beyond that unless

9:30

Glasgow world championships. I know what

9:32

the The root is like there,

9:34

perhaps, adult student, that would be a good

9:36

final target for for cavendish. But

9:38

I just don't see this as a great

9:40

move for either side, really, to be honest, you

9:42

know, really need to

9:44

double down on developing a team that's

9:46

gonna be successful again longer term.

9:48

And by bringing in

9:50

the distraction of a

9:52

short term success story.

9:54

They're probably not gonna bolster

9:56

their chances too much of that long term

9:58

success. And, yeah, for

10:00

I don't you know, I think when

10:02

we were doing that article about a month ago, but where

10:04

it might go, I don't think anybody took this down

10:06

option too seriously. Like, was

10:09

it already in place? And I highly doubt

10:11

it. Is it the last option open to

10:13

him? Yes. And is that a good look

10:15

for arguably the

10:17

greatest presenter of all time to be clutching

10:19

at straws on Christmas

10:21

week to get a

10:22

contract, probably not the best

10:24

way

10:24

for for for

10:25

Cabinets to go with it? Certainly

10:28

not what any of us would want to see.

10:30

Well, I think we were all debating more how

10:32

human powered health was gonna get into the

10:34

tour. Even powered

10:36

help? No. That was there wasn't that was not gonna

10:38

happen. There's more

10:40

chance of me staging my comeback

10:42

and winning the women's to France

10:44

than human powered help getting into the men's

10:46

tour to

10:46

France, so let's be real. I've

10:49

I feel like for a team

10:52

that literally couldn't pay their riders

10:54

in the beginning of the year, this year in

10:56

twenty twenty two, they're not really

10:58

thinking long term. They're

11:00

thinking they need to figure something out

11:02

right now. And for them to

11:04

pick up cab, I mean, they're

11:06

they're going to get a lot of attention because of it

11:08

But yeah, it leaves a really bad

11:10

taste in the mouth because of this guy

11:12

who has been a hero for

11:14

so many for so long. I

11:17

mean, if he does win the stage of the

11:19

tour and he does break that record and

11:21

it's in an astonishing Jersey, I feel

11:23

like that's I don't

11:25

like that picture in my mind. That's like,

11:27

well, come on. Like, any

11:29

any other team. Mhmm. IIII

11:32

want I want to see history

11:34

made you know, during my time. I didn't

11:36

see Marx on a single stage that turned to

11:38

France. And I I wanna see

11:40

history have been broken and, you

11:42

know, if that means Calv in the stage

11:44

and breaking that record, then I wanna see that

11:46

happen. Again, I just Astana you said, I'll be there.

11:48

I don't wanna see it. the

11:50

Jersey, if I'm honest. And and maybe that's

11:52

unfair, but that's nothing

11:54

to do with most of the people of

11:56

that team. And it's nothing to do

11:58

with or anything

12:00

like that. It's to do with certain individuals involved

12:02

in that team and that team's history

12:05

within our sport. That's

12:07

why I don't want to see that

12:10

team break that

12:11

record. And in terms

12:14

of

12:14

you know, a a standard Kazakhstan also isn't

12:17

really a sponsorship model that depends

12:19

on success as it relates. So, you

12:21

know, III can't imagine

12:23

that bringing in cavendish and getting

12:26

Sprint Factory ones is gonna

12:28

solve their

12:30

their issues with with paying writers and staff.

12:32

That's something that's been happening a long

12:33

time through their most successful

12:36

years and through this year, which is

12:37

off the top of head probably the least

12:40

successful season of all time. So,

12:42

you know, it's not like a big multinational

12:44

corporation where if Cav's comes in, delivers a

12:46

couple of wins all of a

12:48

sudden, the the board are

12:50

delighted with the return on investment they're

12:52

getting and they opt their investment in

12:53

team. It's a very different type of

12:55

model at at work

12:57

there. I also wonder

12:57

too, just in terms of team morale as

13:00

far as team and staff, I mean, with with

13:02

the issues that they were having paying people,

13:04

what does that signal to them

13:06

if a few months ago, they weren't

13:08

getting paid. And then now all of a

13:09

sudden, they have money to hire cab. Like Well,

13:11

I how

13:11

does that say it? I assume he's brought in

13:14

outside sponsors again, and it's like

13:16

some weird like hamburger shop or whatever it

13:18

was from Canada, like, last time

13:20

to pay his salary. And it's some

13:22

money that's come to pay his way, and then

13:24

he just has a spot on the team. I

13:26

think the the other big question talking about him

13:28

in jersey is he needs to go

13:30

back to the British road national

13:32

championships and get and,

13:34

like, double up on his

13:37

his jersey, so then he can wear Astana British

13:39

Champions Jersey to win the

13:41

record breaking stage just to complete the

13:43

sort of the car crash of a

13:45

scenario and just make it really

13:47

maybe that will be the thing that finally gets over

13:49

there, like So British jean wours

13:51

him out of the tour.

13:53

When you are British Cycle, you could just delay the national

13:56

championships by about four weeks. Yeah. And then CAB

13:58

would retain the Jersey until after the

13:59

tour de

14:00

France. I like it. I just have it

14:02

midway through like they did in twenty twenty when

14:04

the conference was in the national chapters. One

14:07

day and then the next day, it wasn't.

14:09

I I feel like we're all kind of

14:11

dancing around the most the

14:13

most confusing thing about this

14:14

conversation, and that's where's what

14:17

happened to James? Who are

14:18

you? What do you

14:19

mean? You've

14:20

said like three things about fundraising.

14:23

Well,

14:24

III had to jump My my bike facing

14:27

commentary career after let after hosting the

14:29

podcast last week. Do you

14:32

have a thing that

14:35

sets me about it is, like, there's so many

14:37

teams he could have gone to and,

14:39

like, made his

14:42

image that much better by being like

14:44

that that guy that teaches the younger the

14:46

younger generation how to do

14:48

it, what to do. Like, there's

14:50

certainly he couldn't drop down to Protor

14:53

team in flipping yeah. Been one

14:55

of them guys that leads leads

14:57

the leads the teams there. It shows them

14:59

what's what? What

15:01

obviously is confident

15:03

security of being in the tour. I

15:05

mean, Bonnie, obviously. Johnny,

15:07

I need to I need to counter your your

15:10

your scenario that he is bringing his

15:12

own money to the team because Shadi,

15:14

like you said, if if if

15:16

it was purely a matter

15:18

of someone making a

15:20

spot for CAB somewhere and if there

15:22

wasn't going to be some big financial

15:24

commitment. I mean,

15:26

surely he would Cav's another

15:28

option.

15:29

Did anyone else have a spot in their team? Like, if there

15:32

was gonna be no real financial commitment to bringing you

15:34

on cab, why would there be such an impediment bring

15:36

him in. I mean, we

15:38

know teams that have an open

15:40

spot and weren't interested.

15:43

And and I think his his

15:46

the the pricklier parts of her his personality

15:49

may be the reason for

15:51

that because, like, Chuck had a

15:53

spot open and they

15:55

didn't have the budget to sign

15:56

in, but it didn't matter.

15:58

They're just not

16:01

interested. That's

16:03

a discussion we had in the the Valo Club

16:06

channel recently. Just sort of

16:09

wondering if has if

16:12

if a potential disruptive force

16:14

within the team might not be worth the risk

16:17

for for some squads. And I think Trek

16:19

was one of the examples I've given that they've got

16:21

this fantastic

16:23

team spirit within that group.

16:25

And if you add know,

16:28

a a writer enter that mix could

16:30

be any writer. It doesn't necessarily have to be published,

16:32

but you could upset that. You

16:34

could upset the apple cart and is it worth

16:36

it for know,

16:38

to when you look around the team

16:40

that Trac have at the moment, they've got writers who can

16:42

be successful for years to come. And

16:44

are you really is any directors, any

16:46

general manager gonna swap that for, you

16:49

know, AA1 time thing

16:52

that will quickly be forgotten.

16:54

It's fantastic. We'll talk about it for years to come

16:56

if it happens. But it's not

16:58

gonna retain sponsorship dollars for

17:00

years to come if if it happens.

17:01

Well, and I mean, we've seen I

17:04

think people anywhere can see countless

17:06

examples of places where you've

17:08

had just this amazing team chemistry

17:10

where everything is just firing on all cylinders, everything

17:13

is perfect. And you know that just doesn't take

17:15

that much to ruin that chemistry.

17:17

One person. And then

17:19

next one person. then after that,

17:21

it's it's gone. You like, you cannot put that

17:24

lightning in a bottle

17:24

again. It just doesn't happen. Well, and if

17:27

you consider he if cabinet

17:29

the tour, and he sort of he's not happy

17:31

with how his bike set up. And he chucked

17:33

it to the ground and chanced the mechanic. How do

17:35

you think the sort of graphchasmic

17:37

mechanic is gonna he's gonna react to that. He's not

17:39

gonna he's not gonna take that. He's gonna

17:42

he's gonna, you know, pick up and put him in a bin

17:44

or

17:44

something. It's gonna be told

17:46

me I'm so excited to see Calvin when I

17:48

finally chose anything. Wait. Okay.

17:51

So I wanna know I wanna know

17:53

something. Wanna know something. I have two questions

17:55

for everybody. My first

17:58

question is, which team

18:00

would you have picked for cab to go

18:02

to? My second question is,

18:04

how realistic is it that he can actually win

18:06

a stage of the tour with Because

18:08

as we've

18:09

said, maybe Case Bowls

18:12

go in there and he has some kind of lead out, but they

18:14

have a lot of really strong guys on the team.

18:16

They have those strong guys aren't exactly

18:20

they haven't exactly been doing lead out

18:22

trains. So he's he's going in

18:24

with a much depleted

18:27

system than what he's used to. So those

18:29

are my questions I would like everyone

18:31

to answer starting with

18:33

Shadi. I

18:35

bloody hell. Like, I'm just

18:37

thinking about I won't even listen to your

18:39

questions. I was busy looking at all the teams

18:41

that are available Right. If it was if I was gonna

18:43

go down the road of what I said

18:45

before, him joining, like, a younger team.

18:48

That's why I picked you

18:49

first. I thought that you would you'd maybe thought about

18:52

it. That's well as Well, a couple like Not

18:54

not all destiny this year. It's a

18:56

young team. Like, admittedly, I

18:58

got a o'Caleb there, so that would

19:00

have caused problems but it's

19:03

not the first time there'd been two sprints in

19:05

a in a team like

19:05

that, plus they could do with

19:08

having a definite start at the

19:10

top. Though Like,

19:13

the cab's

19:13

always been linked. We've well, not always, but

19:15

it does have a good strong link. We've specialized

19:18

in total energies that would

19:20

have had the money to to

19:22

have brought him on board. No problem. And

19:24

I get the feeling they have big plans

19:26

for the future. Right? And there there

19:28

there's definitely bagged some money there for him

19:30

to develop. So that would have

19:32

been another good move there. But as a world tour

19:35

team, I well, a

19:37

world tour team twenty twenty three

19:39

Acura, Samsung wouldn't have been a bad movie either.

19:41

Obviously, they've got a spot free.

19:45

Plus, French team well

19:47

thought type perfect sort of fit

19:49

for going for that

19:51

record breaking tour

19:51

stage. They're they're

19:52

the sort

19:53

of free that I've Sure. Earmarked

19:55

our order shed. And and do

19:57

you think he'll do you think he'll win at the

19:59

stage this summer, Shadi?

20:01

No. No.

20:05

Me neither. And I for

20:07

the for the team, I think Israel for a long

20:10

time, like was I it was linked heavily, and I

20:12

think that's because it did make sense. So they

20:14

they used to hiring these old

20:16

guys who the best of their years are

20:18

behind them. I think would have handled that well

20:20

and they used to managing all the big characters.

20:22

And I think they also still have, like,

20:24

sort of, descendants of a leader without

20:26

a a main guy to sort of rally behind.

20:28

And I think from the whole sort of, like,

20:31

marketing of the team and stuff like that, it would've

20:33

it

20:34

would've worked and I and I'd be able

20:37

to I don't think he

20:38

I don't think

20:39

he wins the stage, but we've said that a lot

20:41

of times before. Well, no. The last time

20:43

we were saying it, like, when he was at with

20:46

quick step, it's that's a different

20:48

ballgame. Quick step of a solid team no

20:50

matter what race they turn up

20:52

to. Astana, answer

20:54

much a solid team at whatever race

20:56

it turned up to. So

20:58

it's, yeah, different ballgame

21:00

entirely.

21:01

I, to be honest, for a long time, I

21:03

can't say

21:03

I wanted to see him retire, but

21:06

I thought that would have been the

21:10

the the the best option. I I didn't

21:12

wanna see him, like, sorta end up

21:14

in the standard jersey. I didn't wanna see

21:17

him going to turn

21:20

and not performing or I just

21:22

thought he had

21:23

done to enter last

21:25

year, one four stages, took the Green Jersey

21:28

wasn't selected for the tour this year, and I

21:30

felt that was his last

21:32

opportunity. And to keep

21:34

dragging on, it's like you know,

21:36

you how how long do you chase a

21:38

dream for before you kinda

21:39

say, this maybe isn't gonna work out.

21:41

And that, you

21:42

know, the longer this has gone on, the more I thought

21:45

retirement would be the the

21:48

I don't I don't know what what what it's not that I

21:50

wanted to see someone exit

21:52

support. I just thought that would have been a more gracious way

21:54

to leave it than

21:56

to keep chasing.

21:59

And, you know, some sometimes just

22:02

things are beyond even

22:04

the best people on this planet. You

22:06

know, you

22:07

you look at Lewis Hamilton

22:09

as you're gonna get eight world titles, look at,

22:11

you know, you could pick any sports person from

22:13

any sport and they're, you know,

22:16

chasing something And at some point, you have to

22:18

give up on it. It's like Ronaldo right now in

22:20

football. He has seeded

22:22

being the best player ever too

22:24

messy, two nights ago. Because

22:26

Messi has won the World Cup and there is

22:28

nothing that Ronaldo can do about that. Now, he could

22:30

keep playing for another twenty years, but he is not

22:32

gonna drag Portugal to a World Cup the way

22:34

Messi helped Argentina

22:36

get a World Cup two nights ago. And so that is

22:38

now beyond them. And

22:41

and, you know, sort of the

22:43

same at the same time, too sharp is point, I

22:45

would have loved to have seen have

22:48

actually tried to, you know,

22:50

go go to a smaller team

22:52

and and drag them back to you

22:54

know, to or drag him into the water or, you

22:56

know, really give a team some benefit

22:58

of his experience, his

23:01

know how as above the and then, you know, the

23:03

cherry on top of the ice and on top of the cake

23:05

might be breaking the Tour de France

23:07

Astana one record. And,

23:10

you know, that that's that a lot of people talk about. They would like to

23:12

see Ronaldo or Messi do sometimes is go to

23:14

a tiny team and just drag

23:16

them from lower league football

23:19

all the way up and to the higher exclamation of

23:21

the sport. And I just think it would have been fantastic

23:23

CCAB do that. The team I would have liked

23:25

to have seen him do that with

23:27

maybe Uscudel, Uscudy. Just

23:30

given where that team would have been in

23:32

the past, they you know, it

23:34

was a Tour de France force

23:36

right there wrongly for a long, long time.

23:38

And it's, you know, slowly but

23:40

surely rebuilding now into it and, you

23:42

know, a a team to be reckoned with

23:44

again. That could have been their ticket back into the Tour de France. It could

23:47

have been their ticket to bring in

23:49

some sponsors, and it could have been the

23:51

ticket to

23:53

Just with the whole ground

23:56

apart being in the bass country in all next year, how

23:58

fantastic would that have been to

24:00

see Cav's

24:02

and who's gonna tell Jersey.

24:04

Kenny and now I'm gonna fart it along,

24:06

so I'm just gonna skip straight on to Kenny Astana.

24:09

Of course, they can wanna stage it, you know, he has a sprinter. These

24:11

guys don't need to be at their best.

24:13

They just need to get a snap of

24:15

the funny line at the

24:17

right time and for a door to

24:18

open. And whether he's got

24:21

cisball

24:22

or Janie Moskhan or whoever

24:25

leading him out. All

24:27

he needs is one person to

24:29

put him on Fabioiakansham's

24:31

wheeled with kilometer,

24:34

seven hundred and fifty meters to go and

24:36

for Jacobson to take a move in

24:38

the wrong direction, that door closed and for Kat to

24:40

take a move in the right direction, that door open,

24:42

and he's got the stage one record. So

24:44

I could come in the first stage. I could come on

24:47

the champs that he say, but he only, you know,

24:49

it's Calvary talking about he has done

24:51

it. Literally, what thirty four

24:53

times before or thirty something like

24:55

that, you know, it it it won't need

24:57

two chances. If he gets born chance, he will break

24:59

a record. I've been

25:00

trying to imagine Mark cavendish Cav's you could

25:02

tell you, Skiddie. And I think for

25:04

that alone, it would be worth a

25:07

transfer. I

25:08

like the idea of them transforming him and do a

25:10

basket climber.

25:11

Sure. The thing

25:14

is he that, you'd have to change his haircut as well

25:17

because all the baskets around here of,

25:19

like, mullet

25:19

galore, like a earring. Cabinet

25:22

Cav's

25:22

and earring. Oh, stuff

25:24

it. Stuff it. You're in

25:26

you're in you're in in my You're in

25:28

in my lifestyle now vibes I've got going on

25:30

over here. Amy, what do you think? Oh,

25:33

no. Amy. I'm

25:35

just answering everybody. Oh,

25:38

okay. Alright. Alright.

25:40

What was the first question?

25:44

What team would you have liked to see him go

25:46

to? I

25:54

don't know. I think I

25:56

just think it's a little bit

25:58

sad. Like so whichever

26:01

like, I think he deserved to go like, a good

26:03

team. Don't know which team that is

26:05

because I don't know the

26:06

team. And Amy has

26:09

managed to say in about four words, what took me minutes

26:11

to say. It's all

26:13

about sad. That's

26:14

sad. Let's see. Yeah. Yeah.

26:18

No. It is, though, I think. Because, like, when I

26:20

grew up running, like, he's done,

26:22

like, so much in the sport and he's such a big

26:24

name and

26:24

he's, like, as much as you can probably be a bit of a wanko. Like,

26:27

can I say wanko? Yeah.

26:28

Yeah. I'm

26:29

down. You

26:29

set a twice no, so you can definitely

26:32

see.

26:34

Like, it would

26:37

Cav's been cool to see

26:39

and get the record and do it in a way that

26:41

wasn't

26:41

quite as on dignified. That's not a bit

26:44

too strong. And

26:46

and so but, like, I also grew up running

26:48

and I think he could probably still

26:50

do it on it. It's not as if he's, like,

26:53

always had to rely on a really

26:55

strong lead out. He's

26:57

able to

26:57

like, find gaps and find opportunities on

27:00

his own. So I think

27:01

if he

27:02

is put in the right if

27:03

he finds himself in the right position, like, I think

27:05

he is

27:06

still So

27:07

we gotta win. I

27:08

would like to take this opportunity to blame

27:10

Patrick on forever for all of this nonsense that's

27:12

been on for the past six

27:14

weeks. How did he just sent cab to

27:16

the turret this year? None of this

27:18

would have happened. He

27:20

used to blame

27:20

him for many, many things. So

27:22

I think. He's also given us

27:24

something to talk about for two months on the

27:26

podcast. So

27:28

Yeah. This podcast is

27:29

fun. Do you have any answer?

27:31

Back with Pampers.

27:33

You don't have

27:34

an answer? No? Me?

27:37

No. That's all. Yeah. If I had to answer it,

27:39

James has to answer it. No.

27:41

No. No. That's not No.

27:42

James is a senior member now. I

27:44

should be having issues with my

27:46

mic. James what? James is already full

27:49

of of afterwards racing talk, and then we've had

27:51

Rowan and Dunfills. He's

27:51

his cousin, Archie's as well, so I have no

27:53

idea what's gonna happen next. Anything

27:56

Cav's Well, I would

27:58

have liked to see him go to

28:01

this is gonna this is kind

28:03

of a weird one. Maybe.

28:05

RKS AMSIC, I think would be

28:07

my choice because they have the

28:10

infrastructure for his

28:12

volatile personality and his

28:14

sprinting. They just replaced

28:16

Buhani. And, like, they've

28:18

just got, you know Why is he going?

28:22

To just replace him. He's still there.

28:24

Oh. But, like, just, you

28:25

know, let's pee on

28:28

top. I think that

28:30

yeah. I feel like for

28:32

anyone who wants to see cap break

28:35

the record, RKS

28:38

AMSIC has has the means

28:40

to help him do that. And

28:43

I would love to see him break

28:45

the record but I

28:47

don't think that there's

28:49

a I don't think there's a chance now with

28:51

I hope he's listening to this podcast.

28:55

Because he when people,

28:57

like, hate on him, he it really lets a

28:59

fire under his ass. So

29:01

He's gonna have a lot of that, I think, in the

29:04

next six months or

29:06

so to spur him along.

29:09

Yeah. Hundred percent. He really thrives on that sort of

29:11

thing. And I would love to know, you know,

29:13

can you imagine being a fly on all the

29:15

walls of Marquette and this was near for

29:18

the last six months or so

29:20

with all the negotiations with different

29:22

teams and equipment

29:25

providers and different marketing

29:27

agreements and sponsorship agreements and advertising

29:29

agreements that were all in place

29:31

around. Just think of

29:33

all the different agreements that

29:35

Cavendish has and sort

29:37

of deals that he

29:39

has personally. And then the

29:41

different agreements that teams would

29:43

have and the complex of interest between

29:45

those and trying to find first,

29:48

I'm sure it started out with trying to find the

29:50

best impossible with the aim of trying

29:52

to achieve a true vector And then at

29:54

some point, they probably switched to trying to find the

29:56

best team that was a balance of

29:58

achieving that backstage victory and

30:01

also not having those

30:03

conflicts and interests with different agreements

30:05

and stuff. And then now it's sort

30:07

of transferred into the place. Well, any team

30:09

in the world will take it And

30:12

just as that unfolded over

30:14

the past six months, it must have

30:16

been fascinating for those

30:19

who were, well, probably quite stressful for those who were

30:21

involved, but had they been able to merge themselves

30:23

for a button just look from

30:24

there. It's probably pretty fascinating.

30:27

The one

30:27

guarantee is that Monster and G will stand

30:30

stand by him until his last bike

30:32

race is pedaled. So

30:34

that's the one thing you can be sure

30:36

of. And he'll be wearing the hat with

30:38

the Estonia, Jesse, when he wins his day, fifth

30:40

stage. Yeah. I think, well, we

30:42

we successfully covered twenty five minutes of talking

30:44

about cabinet in his move to his Astana. I

30:47

and it'll be hilarious if, like, the

30:49

news comes out on on Thursday

30:52

as it inevitably

30:53

will. actually not going to a summit

30:55

with the human powered how threwer was real

30:58

and all of this

30:59

is useless. Do we have to come and do another one

31:01

done? That's not

31:02

okay. Well, we're

31:03

we're just gonna we're just gonna edit in

31:05

human powered health Astana,

31:07

and just stand by all of -- Yeah. -- what

31:09

we said about it and just just

31:11

eat that one. So over the

31:14

last week, new kits have been

31:16

dropping left, right, and center. The most

31:18

recent one. Well, actually, the most recent one is

31:20

the Lotto. Destiny? I

31:22

haven't seen a lot. How do

31:23

you what is the pronunciation? Destiny.

31:25

That's not worth it. Thank

31:27

you. Very nice. And one of the other ones that dropped

31:29

this week, I'm I'm so glad

31:32

that that the team

31:34

actually took inspiration from

31:37

from the hair of one of the one of my favorite

31:39

writers on the team Tayo Gigan heart. They really

31:41

pulled their inspiration from his hair and

31:43

and slap that on the sleeve of

31:44

the, you know, Amy

31:47

is victorious. He

31:48

was mine too. He was like a guy this morning

31:50

as well. Yeah.

31:51

Amy, have you got the last spot on the seat on the

31:54

on

31:54

the team? Maybe.

31:57

We went through this last year when all

31:59

of the women's kits turned out pink.

32:02

And for the first like four races of the

32:04

year, no one could figure out anything

32:06

that was going on. And now,

32:08

I mean, it's a good

32:10

thing that INEOS and and

32:13

Bahrain don't really, like, race against

32:15

each other too much. You know, there won't be much crossover. So

32:17

we won't it's just they're

32:19

merging, hashtag one

32:20

team. Rhode Island Wealth can just manage

32:23

manage both sort of underperforming

32:25

outfits. Yeah.

32:27

It's like it's kinda rank the

32:29

kit. I think the the the first the

32:31

navy blue one was like kind

32:33

of boring, barely is fine. And again,

32:36

but now anyone that Jiro looks like

32:38

looked proper in

32:39

it, whereas you look at this new INEOS kit,

32:41

correct me if anyone disagrees, I can't see any

32:43

rider winning a grand tour wearing that

32:45

kit. It

32:46

just doesn't look like a grand tour winning

32:48

kit. I think that

32:49

is the point, Tommy, because

32:51

for all the years

32:53

Skye and any us were winning

32:56

grantors The results put them in

32:58

the limelight. They didn't need a

33:00

bright jersey. They had dark jersey every

33:02

year. The results aren't coming anymore. The

33:04

bright jersey is what's gonna get them noticed

33:06

next year.

33:06

I think they should've they

33:09

should've gone back they should've been like,

33:11

alright, we we've got we've

33:13

had a couple off years we're going back to the drawing

33:15

board. Literally, they could have useless in

33:17

their marketing. We're going back to the drawing board

33:19

and just gone back to the sky black with

33:21

the two stripes. Or something

33:23

like that. Like, that would Cav's been awesome. But

33:25

this kid, I mean, it's just

33:27

I I

33:28

mean Who's in charge? Who's

33:30

in charge? Yes. I'm afraid

33:31

to admit that it

33:31

is my favorite of the Sky and then he

33:34

asked all the Sky and then he asked

33:36

territories. I like this one.

33:38

It's brand new

33:39

hat to surprise. It's bright. That

33:41

that's all I've ever wanted anyone else to

33:43

wear with a bright jersey and they finally

33:46

don't. Okay, they've copied

33:48

Power and Victoria's, but

33:50

at least at least they've changed.

33:52

It's been, like Of

33:53

all

33:54

of the What's the same terms? For twelve

33:56

years. Why did

33:57

they why did they why choose that

33:59

one? Because there's any other kit. They they've

34:01

also managed to outdo the previous

34:04

marketing slogan for the car, which was built

34:06

on purpose, which is just like just

34:08

makes me feel like I need to lie

34:09

down. And the new one for the the

34:12

new kit and this

34:14

slogan is visibly

34:15

fast, which

34:16

is just like

34:18

It's just

34:19

mad. It's just mad.

34:21

It's like It makes me that's any bit that makes me angry. I just see that, and

34:24

I just don't know why I just feel angry.

34:26

But the On more positive note, the He

34:28

is announcing the group armor kit.

34:31

They're, like, the blue one with the that that care.

34:33

I don't like it. That that yeah. That's

34:35

the Of

34:37

me.

34:37

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

34:40

I'm I'm for football wisdom today. I know he's

34:42

key. I don't know what to say when you come out with them.

34:44

I'm like, yeah, Ronan. That's that's

34:47

that's bang

34:47

on. But, yeah, in the summer. It feels like a

34:49

lot of a lot of the team kits tried to

34:51

just go louder this year. I mean, trucks like

34:54

Alfredo went from, like, a

34:56

very understated white with

34:58

a red stripe to

35:00

whatever mess is going on on the back of their

35:02

Jersey. And,

35:04

like, And, yeah, and and Lotto Destiny is also a

35:07

absolute just nightmare

35:09

of color

35:10

combination. I think A lot of

35:12

a lot of the destiny they deserve to be singled

35:14

out here for, you know, an absolute fail

35:16

of an they they haven't they

35:18

haven't failed because they haven't attempted to

35:21

make it a new Jersey. They've taken the old

35:23

Jersey and splashed it by the blue armor because

35:25

their new

35:26

sponsors, corporate collars are blue

35:29

and orange. It's like literally they have just

35:31

someone just said, I would not we're not even

35:33

water anymore. I wouldn't be bold designing in

35:36

New Jersey.

35:37

And it's gonna slap some blue on there, slap on a new

35:40

logo and jabbed on. It's

35:42

bright though, Ronan. It's

35:43

very bright. It's given

35:44

it's given home bargains. Oh,

35:47

good shout. That's really gonna

35:47

confuse him

35:48

everyone. He's -- Sorry, Mary. -- off in

35:50

UK. I love it. You go home,

35:53

Bargain. They've they've all whatever they've

35:56

had, like, random sponsors or they've

35:58

always had weird. It's, like, when it was, like,

36:00

silence, lotto,

36:02

or Lotto's

36:04

Lotto's, Evelyn, talent, Lotto, is

36:07

like a

36:08

what was the boom? The

36:09

one that had a response

36:11

by the baby testing pregnancy testing kit.

36:13

Is

36:13

that a megal? Victor. No. Predictor

36:16

lotto. When it was predictor lotto, that was a

36:18

shocking kit. It's like

36:20

whenever that random sponsors. The kids always

36:22

been real

36:22

mishmash. Alright. A mess That's a

36:24

mess of fun. Pregnancy test kit.

36:27

Yeah. Predictor. I'm pretty sure

36:29

it was a pregnancy testing

36:32

kit.

36:32

Yes. It was my

36:33

case that they were old fashioned

36:35

one, like, parent company who had all these

36:37

different brands. And each year, they would

36:39

rotate the partner sponsor

36:42

for the team. So, like, predictor and silence

36:45

and Omega Farah wasn't it?

36:47

Yeah. It was Omega Farah. Yeah.

36:49

Yeah. And then once once

36:52

Patrick Lefebvre stole

36:54

that sponsor, they haven't changed another one. I know Patrick Fervl has

36:56

still another

36:56

sponsor. They've had to they've had

36:59

to change again. And

37:02

then Elbow

37:02

syndrome. I think what's happening is they I

37:05

think that they you know, low

37:07

rise jeans are back in style.

37:10

Hopefully, everybody has seen the Katie Holmes look

37:12

on the red carpet recently. That's like

37:14

a long tunic over jeans. But

37:17

was a style that we all hoped had died

37:19

of violent death. Y2K

37:22

baby. So what's happening

37:24

is, yeah, the Y2K styles are coming back

37:27

and and is the Peloton. They're like, let's make it

37:29

as loud as we possibly can. Because I

37:31

need to remind people what happened and why did they

37:33

say in the cycling Peloton? You're a

37:35

baby too. Right. Not necessarily period

37:37

and time we want to go

37:39

back to? Well, I made the

37:41

comparison, so it's too

37:43

late. We don't edit. We

37:45

just all we put the podcast out as we were as

37:47

recorded. So I'm just disappointed. Don't, like,

37:49

look back further in

37:51

the past. Well, No.

37:53

I'd quality Jersey soon to pass, like, I'd like to

37:56

sit, like, in the in the us

37:58

grandiDAYS. Why not have, like, a nice

38:00

big truck on big cab on there

38:02

or something? But I've,

38:04

like, remix the old

38:06

ton tonne tapestures with the guy who had

38:08

the carpet on his shoulder and instead

38:10

just

38:10

have, like, some guy leaning out of a

38:12

nice truck win. Winder shouting.

38:14

Yeah. Just if you're gonna

38:16

do a terrible jersey, do a terrible

38:20

jersey. They should Cav's done some play on the give one meter or something like

38:22

that on on the back of the Jersey. Yeah.

38:24

Their their sponsor by a car, they could

38:26

have, like, played into that by, like,

38:29

promoting bike safety, bike car safety. As

38:32

everybody's outsized on the back

38:34

end of shots, give one, I don't know,

38:36

whatever,

38:37

thirty centimeter. Fright, it don't need to show Give give of

38:40

Tayo's hips. Yeah. Is that

38:42

is

38:42

that the in your saver equivalent of

38:45

the big whale? On the back of

38:47

the jersey to save the whale. Mhmm. Yeah.

38:50

That that could work. Yeah. That was Take a

38:51

look. That was a

38:54

bad look. Oh, how the tables have turned?

38:56

Indeed. Anyway,

38:58

yeah, the

38:58

kids not looking well,

38:59

it depends. It depends if you're Ronan or

39:02

somebody with

39:04

style sense at all because you're looking

39:05

at I didn't say it was my favorite of all judges. It's

39:07

just my favorite of the Sky and the

39:09

Neos judges, which is a very very low

39:11

bar to be

39:14

fair. I I did.

39:15

We no. But we from very understated kits to

39:17

just like the these

39:20

situations. Also, everyone just copies

39:22

each other.

39:23

Either unknowingly or does everyone is, like, plugged into the same,

39:25

like, Instagram feed and just being, like, yeah,

39:28

that's what that's what I'm gonna do. But I did, like,

39:30

Rowan's idea of this was just,

39:32

you know, narrowing down taste to, like,

39:34

bright. I like that. Like, does have to be bright, but

39:36

just one thing. Just make it,

39:38

you know.

39:38

Is it possible that multiple

39:40

teams contract the same

39:42

designer to do multiple kits?

39:45

And then

39:45

that And that kid's kinda like what? You're only gonna pay me

39:48

what? Alright. Well, just, like, a little tweak here, a

39:50

little, like, little They're gonna have to like a five.

39:52

It's just

39:53

one one guy making bank. It's like

39:55

the it's the cycling equivalent of in London. There's a brick lane. It's

39:57

famous for its carry shops, but there's like four or

39:59

five different shop fronts, but then it's all the same

40:01

kitchen in the basement. But,

40:03

you know, that that's not showing it. So it's like the equivalent of that.

40:06

I'm just trying to I'm just trying to outdo Amy's bargain.

40:08

So that's literally my goal for the next the final

40:10

half an hour or twenty five minutes of podcast and

40:13

not gonna do it. I know. Oh, god. Why is

40:15

that, Ramin? It's the

40:18

ugliest shit I've ever seen in

40:20

my world. It's like it's like the title credits

40:23

for a Children's TV show in the

40:25

nineteen eighties. It's the I

40:28

like it.

40:30

Like and it says, I have it on good authority

40:32

that Ronan is is so

40:34

famous in the ugly kid

40:37

world, that brands actually send them ugly kits on purpose.

40:40

Right. And you got it with

40:41

incentives I designed

40:42

and paid for this?

40:46

This is one of my own --

40:48

Okay. -- money. It was a money in

40:49

the pot. A long

40:52

time

40:52

ago, I might add, but

40:55

Yeah. gonna gonna to put a picture of this somewhere -- Yeah. -- for

40:58

people to because I'm not sure if

41:00

you guys know enough, but people

41:02

can't see. They can only

41:04

heroes. Okay. Let's move on. So

41:06

speaking of a lot of Destiny, Caleb Ewan

41:08

will ride the tour down under for the national

41:09

team, which

41:12

is Great. I don't know.

41:13

Yeah. I I was fun. Yeah. Okay.

41:16

Cool. Yeah.

41:16

Is it the national

41:18

team or is

41:18

it the Uni SA team that

41:22

That's it. No. Is that not

41:23

the same

41:23

thing? I'd I'd it

41:25

could be a

41:25

stupid question that I don't know, but I just always know

41:27

that there's, like,

41:30

a UNiSA squad and throw it down under. He's not he's not

41:32

riding for for lots of

41:34

deaths anyway, and

41:36

it's the the same

41:38

then just to take over from Abby who's looking

41:40

after her child quickly.

41:42

Lata Destiny have also apparently decided they're

41:44

not gonna participate in the giro d'italia

41:47

to renew at Adriatico or the Tour of

41:49

the Best country. And just because they're like, we

41:51

won the points instead of, you

41:54

know,

41:54

bumping around Italy for three

41:57

weeks, not really doing much. I I think the

41:59

real reasoning behind that decision is that they

42:01

do not want Caleb UN

42:04

targeting a stage one in each grantor in one season because

42:06

that curse is them every time. That's nice

42:08

to

42:09

go for that. If

42:11

he if he doesn't target it, it might actually come

42:14

off. Yeah. That's a good point. Just

42:16

stick him at

42:18

Ashbourne Frankfurt. I wonder if this is, like,

42:20

Lotto Destiny making the best of their of their demotion. Mhmm.

42:22

Like, trying to find the silver lining

42:24

and the fact that they lost their world to a

42:27

license Now they can say, you know what? They're not gonna do the

42:30

giro.

42:31

Or maybe they don't sell any destinies

42:34

in in

42:36

Italy or well, the best country. I

42:38

mean, I don't know what where's it

42:39

designated? And as I don't figure that

42:41

out yet. To be honest, I'm still trying to figure

42:43

out what an RKSM sick

42:45

is. Does anyone

42:46

know that 1II

42:48

should not.

42:49

I live

42:50

instruct whole article.

42:52

No. Say, I

42:54

should know what that brand is, but I haven't got bloody

42:56

clue. I live in France. I haven't got clue what

42:58

either Somerset got Aker is.

43:01

But I hope they're not listening. Otherwise, their whole marketing budget would

43:04

have been for absolute

43:06

nothing. Okay. Moving along

43:10

because now Now we have like actually quite a long podcast on our

43:12

hands. Before we dive into the tech for this week's

43:14

episode, Roden got a chance to chat

43:16

with Jack Thompson, who

43:18

is an ultra CyclingTips has

43:20

been doing an absolutely ridiculous fundraising thing

43:22

all year long having to do with everything.

43:26

And and Ronen chatted with him. So hear

43:29

that chat. Alright.

43:33

Welcome to the segment of the

43:36

podcast, Jack Jack Altra or

43:38

Jack Thompson, Jack Jack

43:39

Altra,cyclist. I'm in Astana least to

43:42

say gova.

43:44

Jack Thompson's fine. Jack Jack Thompson. Well,

43:46

Jack, we have you on the podcast

43:48

today because you are well,

43:50

you're nearing the end of what

43:54

is frankly just an absolutely

43:56

ridiculous challenge that you've been

43:58

undertaking this entire

44:00

calendar year. I'm not gonna even try to do it any justice

44:02

or explain what it is you're doing.

44:04

So I'm just gonna through to you to

44:06

tell us

44:07

what have you been not even what have you been

44:09

doing this year, what have you been loving or

44:12

suffering for this entire calendar

44:14

year tells all about

44:15

this. And tell us why you've been doing

44:17

this. Sure. So basically in a

44:20

nutshell, I've been trying to climb my

44:22

bike a

44:24

million meters I've been trying to climb a million

44:26

meters of elevation on the

44:28

bike in

44:29

a calendar year. And as

44:31

part of that, I set myself a goal within

44:34

a goal to Everest once a

44:36

week for a year. So fifty

44:38

to Everest in a year on

44:40

a different climb every single

44:42

week to give me about half of the

44:44

elevation. So on top of that, I've also

44:46

been doing around two or three

44:48

thousand meters of every

44:50

other day that I'm not ever resting.

44:52

And I'm trying to raise some money.

44:54

So I've suffered from depression. And essentially,

44:56

I'm trying to raise a million euros

44:59

for three middle health charities and looking

45:01

to get back.

45:03

Okay. So I've I've been following

45:05

this all year. I have

45:07

heard exactly what you've just said there. No. But that

45:09

doesn't make it any any

45:12

more believable

45:14

or relatable. And anyway,

45:16

tell me a million meters

45:18

of elevation gain in

45:20

one calendar year. How

45:22

do you to raise a

45:24

million euros for these three charges. And

45:28

that's obviously the huge

45:30

part of of of why you're doing this or this

45:33

is why you're doing this in crazy

45:35

crazy normal way to describe it

45:37

a little crazy challenge. But

45:39

how do you – when you sat

45:42

down January first of this

45:44

year, how do you go about trying

45:46

to gain a millimeters

45:48

elevation gain and and a

45:49

year. Did you break it down into,

45:51

like, you know, a goal?

45:54

I know you said you wanna do an everything every

45:56

week. And, again, just put that

45:58

into context. Most people look to do an everything once.

46:00

An everything for those who haven't heard of it is

46:02

claiming eight thousand

46:04

eight hundred forty meters of

46:06

elevation gain, and a single ride without

46:08

sleeping on a single stretch

46:10

of road, up and down

46:12

that stretch of road until you've reached out

46:14

a cumulative elevation gain of Mount

46:15

Everest. You're doing more of

46:16

these every single week and and while

46:19

that is staggering in

46:22

itself, the rides that you're doing

46:24

either side of those everything rides

46:26

are are equally staggering tell

46:28

us. Just how do you rack up a million meters

46:30

of elevation gain in

46:31

the year? Yeah. So basically, I break it down

46:34

into into chunks. So this

46:36

fifty two weeks in a year, I

46:38

worked out that I was probably gonna

46:40

have to watch two of those weeks

46:42

off due to sickness or

46:44

injury. So I've less than fifty weeks

46:46

to work with. I then

46:48

divided a million

46:50

by fifty and got a round number of twenty thousand

46:52

meters. So I basically worked out. I had to do

46:54

twenty thousand meters

46:56

of elevation fifty

46:58

weeks in a year to hit the

47:00

millimeters. And I also realized I needed

47:02

to probably have a rest day once a

47:03

week, so I had six days in

47:06

a week to climb twenty thousand meters.

47:08

I wanted

47:08

to Everest once a week, so I

47:10

then deducted nine thousand meters

47:14

from twenty thousand, left me with eleven thousand, and I had

47:16

five days to do eleven thousand. And

47:18

I realized, you know, I then had to have

47:20

an easy day, the side of the Everest.

47:24

hundred meters at the side of an Everest.

47:26

So basically yeah. A

47:28

typical weight looks like three thousand

47:30

meters on

47:32

a Monday three and a half thousand meters on a

47:33

Tuesday, three thousand meters on a Wednesday. Fifteen

47:36

hundred meters on a Thursday is a bit

47:38

of a recovery

47:40

ride that and then straight into whenever

47:42

it's on a

47:42

Friday, fifteen hundred meters on

47:43

a Saturday, and then a day off on a

47:45

Sunday, and retake

47:48

fifty times.

47:50

Oh, okay. Again, I'm hearing what you're saying.

47:53

I'm just

47:55

not, you know, Surely, at

47:57

some point, when you were making those calculations, you

48:00

were sitting down, planning out

48:02

this challenge,

48:04

Surely, at some point, at least some small part of you said

48:06

this is actually not possible. This is an

48:10

impossible

48:10

challenge. Well, it struck me

48:12

in week two when I realized that actually

48:14

marked up I marked up my calculations in

48:16

the first

48:16

week, girl was already two thousand

48:20

meters

48:20

short. And I thought, yeah. Okay. This is this is really gonna be hard

48:22

because I donate eighteen thousand meters

48:24

and I was, you know, I was suffering.

48:28

I I come off the back of

48:30

that first week. It was January here in Jurona, ground based, winter,

48:32

cold, and I thought, wow, I

48:34

have to do that fifty

48:36

more times or fifty, you know, after the fifty two weeks of writing

48:38

this year and I basically have to replicate what I've

48:41

just done and I'm completely

48:44

shagged And that was like a bit of

48:46

a realization that, you know, I'm gonna have to spend this

48:48

whole year basically living like a bit of a

48:50

monk in order not to get sick, not to

48:54

get injured, to be able to just log the time on the bike and to

48:56

actually, you know, keep up with normal

48:57

life. It was

48:58

yeah. I was up

48:59

against it at the beginning of the year, and it's been a

49:01

really difficult year making

49:04

it that's actually

49:04

something I wanted to ask you about because it would

49:06

be so easy to focus on the cycling

49:08

challenge of this twenty five meters

49:11

per week of millionaire vision million

49:14

meters of work in a year,

49:16

but you must be doing so much off the

49:18

bike to ensure that you don't get

49:20

injured, that you don't get

49:21

sick, that you can keep

49:22

claiming, claiming, claiming, day

49:23

after day, week after week. How how are you just keeping

49:25

yourself in one piece? Yeah. I think

49:27

that's probably like the

49:30

most difficult part. It's probably the part most people don't see or

49:32

realize. So we were doing some calculations

49:34

this week of just how much time I've spent

49:37

doing different things this year and with

49:39

that, I actually around a hundred and fifty

49:42

hours alone stretching. So

49:44

every morning, every evening,

49:48

I'm stretching every morning, every evening, like, I've got, like, a

49:50

tailored nutrition plan that I'm sticking

49:52

to. I'm at the doctor getting blood

49:54

tests just to make sure I'm not

49:56

doing damage I'm

49:58

making sure my iron levels are

50:00

in in order with where they need to be. Like, it's

50:02

really been like a big

50:04

management game. And then trying to

50:06

manage, like, the travel in and around that

50:08

has been difficult because you

50:10

lose days traveling, you know, you've

50:12

got that risk of being

50:14

an airplane, with, yeah, getting sick and it's it's it's

50:16

really been, like, a logistical challenge as

50:18

much as it has been, like, a cycling

50:20

challenge. Yeah.

50:22

So, like,

50:24

we're talking about the elevation game, but as you said, all that

50:26

stretching that just to keep yourself in

50:28

shape. I can't imagine just

50:31

how much you're eating both on

50:33

and off the the the bike.

50:35

Your your teeth are still

50:36

looking, you know, they're they're in fantastic

50:39

shape, I have to say. They said

50:41

bananas.

50:41

Well, that's a that that maybe makes sense

50:44

because I imagine how much sugar you've had

50:46

to consume this year just

50:48

to fuel the

50:50

efforts that you're doing there. And I actually just started to look around

50:52

to try and make a few comparisons to, you

50:54

know, what because because the

50:57

elevation thing I find even

50:59

having done three everestings in a

51:01

couple of base camps, you

51:03

know, still the thought of

51:05

doing an everesting and

51:07

then, you know, the equivalent of another average thing plus another four thousand

51:09

meters of elevation gain, all in

51:11

one week is just is just

51:13

it's hard to comprehend So

51:16

I started looking at, you know, the kind of distances you're doing and some of

51:19

the other metrics that you you send across to

51:21

me. And, you know, we were looking

51:23

here at an average for

51:25

anybody who uses training peaks or is in touch with

51:27

their sort of the the performance end

51:29

of the sport, you're averaging

51:32

sixteen hundred TSS

51:34

per week. Which is which again is

51:36

just mind boggling.

51:38

I think your your CTL, your

51:40

chronic training low was in the two thirties,

51:44

which I had never seen before. But again,

51:46

might not be all that

51:48

relatable for

51:50

any lessness who who

51:52

maybe, you know, aren't aren't that

51:54

you know, aren't aren't so hung up as

51:57

some of us performance guys are on those

51:59

numbers. So then I started looking at, you

52:01

know, just the kilometers that you have covered this

52:03

year and so far

52:06

with still a week to go. You've

52:08

racked up twenty eight thousand two

52:11

hundred kilometers of presumably

52:14

either uphill or downhill. There's very few flat

52:16

roads in there. And then just as

52:18

luck would have it, Alejandro Valverde

52:20

already happened to share his Strava

52:24

year and review this

52:28

week. And despite being one of

52:30

the top writers in

52:32

the

52:32

world, who has done three hundred and ten days of activities

52:34

training on racing this year.

52:36

He has racked

52:37

up thirty five thousand kilometers, which is more

52:40

which more than you have done. Okay?

52:42

So we'll give him if we're doing top trumps here,

52:44

he has got one. He's one.

52:46

He's fifty in terms of radiometers.

52:49

But while you are on the verge

52:51

of cracking this one million meters

52:53

of elevation gain, Valverde

52:56

has done Well,

52:58

nothing in comparison. Less than half. He's

53:00

done four hundred thousand meters of elevation

53:02

gain. Again, this is one the

53:04

top writers on the planet. Racing you

53:06

know, and a real pure climber, and

53:08

he's only done four hundred thousand meters

53:11

this year, which I

53:13

thought was kinda just helps to

53:15

put into context what what you doing. So then I thought, well, I wondered as

53:18

hard as

53:20

mystra data

53:22

compare. So I looked at I I've been on strava literally

53:25

for ten years this month, a

53:27

full decade, and there was not

53:29

a single bike ride

53:31

I'm pretty sure there isn't a single bike ride that I

53:33

have not uploaded to Strava in that

53:35

time. There could even be a couple of duplicates

53:37

on there just from running multiple head

53:40

units or

53:41

whatever. And

53:41

then the

53:41

ten years and the

53:44

ten years that I have been

53:46

uploading data, including a

53:48

full season as a SamiPRO or whatever you wanna call

53:50

it, including

53:52

countless training sessions and races since,

53:55

including training for and completing

53:58

three everestings. I have only

54:00

done one point eight million meters of

54:02

elevation gain in ten years, and

54:04

you're going to do pretty close

54:06

to that in a single year. I'm

54:08

just trying to find ways to put in the

54:10

context. So I don't know if you've been looking

54:12

for ways to put in the context for people throughout this year as well. And what the

54:14

best one you've come up with

54:15

is, but that was the best I could come

54:18

up with.

54:19

Yeah. It's been hard because it it's really hard to put

54:21

it into the spectrum. And I think, you

54:24

know, as far as the challenge goes, there's

54:26

the fundraising aspect to it, which,

54:28

you know, I mean, it's a very

54:30

important aspect of the challenge

54:32

itself. But what's been difficult

54:34

is I haven't been able to put

54:36

what I've achieved into

54:38

perspective, which means it's been difficult to raise money. And

54:40

that's a really it's a really big learning

54:42

for me in in, you know, moving

54:44

forward. Like,

54:46

fundraising is difficult. Like, I can climb a bike.

54:48

I can spend hours and hours on a bike.

54:50

But the fundraising aspect is something I

54:53

can't control and what we did is

54:55

we we tried to put this into perspective by -- Yeah. -- basically calling

54:58

it a space, obviously,

55:00

you know, I'm

55:02

climbing a million meters, which is two and a half times the

55:04

height of the International Space Station, which

55:07

if you look at it on,

55:09

yeah, as far as you

55:11

know, a little vertical map goes. It's

55:14

incredible how high it actually is. But

55:16

again, it doesn't really put it into

55:18

perspective because there's nothing to

55:20

compare it against. And for me,

55:22

I think the best thing is, you know, it's

55:24

twenty thousand meters a week, every

55:26

single week for a year. And we challenge

55:28

earlier in the year, the SharePoint, we

55:30

called it where we encourage people to ride twenty thousand meters

55:32

just to give them a bit of perspective on

55:35

what a twenty thousand meter really looks like, a twenty thousand meter a

55:37

week looks like. And I think that was quite

55:40

effective because a twenty thousand

55:42

meter a week is like thirty hours on

55:44

the mic. Like, it's

55:46

it's big hours on the bike every

55:48

single week. And it's then backing

55:50

that up week after week for an

55:52

entire year and trying to manage

55:54

the fatigue kinda manage the

55:55

sickness, trying to manage the injury, trying to manage

55:58

normal life and a partner, and

56:00

yeah.

56:00

Like, I would never take

56:02

anything like this on again. Like a

56:05

year long challenges. I've done my

56:05

dashes. This is enough.

56:08

Yeah. Well,

56:08

you've done a few challenges in the past. You

56:10

know, you've done the seven day distance

56:13

attempted just a couple years ago. Last

56:16

year, you wrote the entire Tour de

56:18

France route and you

56:20

completed that you made it look

56:22

relatively easy. But I think

56:24

anybody who's been watching you this year has seen

56:26

just how much of a challenge this

56:28

has been And you touched on

56:30

the fundraising aspect of it there. Tell us just where are you at

56:32

right now in terms of that one million euros

56:36

targets? I think it's your

56:38

correct me if I'm wrong, but where are, you know, in terms of that

56:40

one million target? And,

56:42

you know, which chart is this for? And how

56:44

do people

56:45

donate? Yeah. So we've

56:45

raised two hundred and seventy thousand

56:48

euros, which is an amazing

56:50

amount of money to have have

56:52

raised just given current

56:54

economic climate all things going on

56:56

post COVID and Ukraine and Russia. So the three charities were

56:58

raising money for outright. So

57:02

specialized own charity in the US, basically getting kids on bikes

57:05

and showcasing the benefits of bikes

57:07

on kids mental health.

57:10

Kids help line, an Australian charity, basically free

57:12

telephone service that kids can call whenever

57:14

they need, when they're in mental distress.

57:17

So, you know, something going home.

57:20

And finally, make strong minds, which is an African charity, which is

57:22

supporting women and children in Central Africa

57:25

and providing them with a

57:27

free counseling service. So amazing

57:30

charities doing amazing things and, you know,

57:32

while I'm lucky enough to ride a bike, I'm also

57:34

lucky enough to have the support of people around me,

57:36

you know, when times do get and

57:39

I Astana try and to those

57:39

you know, don't have that support. So

57:42

hence the the fundraising aspect of this

57:44

year's

57:45

goal. Yeah. Well, that, you know, it might not be the million yet

57:48

that you are targeting. Hopefully, you get there over the

57:50

next few weeks here. It's no longer

57:52

a question. Of

57:54

well you do this, but it's when, well, you know, you're you're on the

57:57

verge of completing this one million

57:59

meters of validation gain.

58:02

So hopefully, you know, at this time of year, it's especially difficult,

58:04

but hopefully that fundraising

58:07

those fundraising dams will will

58:10

only grow over the coming weeks as you as you complete the the

58:13

challenge. One question I wanna just finish up

58:15

by asking you is just do

58:17

you like, Do

58:20

you enjoy this? There's no other way to to

58:22

ask that, but have you enjoyed any

58:24

part of this year? Or is it

58:28

just been an absolute slog to get through

58:30

it. Yeah. Like,

58:30

I still love riding my bike. Like,

58:33

I like, tomorrow, I'm ever

58:35

seeing final everist. I'm

58:37

excited, not because it's the final everist, but because

58:40

it's like, it's a goal within a bigger

58:42

goal. And what I find

58:44

satisfying is that every day this year,

58:46

I've had a miniature goal. And

58:48

by achieving that miniature goal, whether it's an

58:50

Everest or it's a thousand meter a day, you

58:52

know, that's a sense of satisfaction, and I

58:54

feel good about that. And so

58:56

while there have been times that have been incredibly

58:58

difficult, you know, shitty

59:00

weather, massive loads

59:02

of fatigue, I I do still love it and, like, I do still

59:04

enjoy it and, like, that feeling I get when I'm

59:06

on the bike and everything's in order

59:08

and, like, I

59:10

feel symmetrical and like I'm

59:12

climbing and I feel good. It's

59:14

like no other feeling in the world.

59:16

And so while I would never do

59:18

this again, I have really

59:20

enjoyed it, and I've learned a lot from it. And so in that

59:22

sense, I think it's been

59:23

a

59:23

success. What are you most looking forward

59:26

to doing or not

59:28

doing or What are you gonna do first

59:30

week of January when you don't have to do this

59:31

anymore? I'm

59:31

going back to Australia

59:32

on Friday, so I'm probably gonna be sitting on

59:34

a bed somewhere, some baking.

59:37

I don't like to distant nothing. Like, I just don't want

59:40

the pressure of having to get up

59:42

and and love to, you know, I'm looking

59:44

forward to a flat

59:45

ride, to be honest. Well,

59:48

looking through looking through

59:50

that the data that you send over to me

59:52

there and just your, you know, your weekly

59:54

training time

59:56

this week as you said, there's been two weeks. One that you were sick,

59:58

which coincidentally was unfortunately

1:00:00

also the week that we were supposed to hook

1:00:02

up to do an everything together, which would have

1:00:05

been Yeah. III can't say I was disappointed not

1:00:07

to have to do that everything to be honest with you,

1:00:10

but I I was also looking forward

1:00:12

to it. And then you have

1:00:14

one other week off in April. Beyond

1:00:16

that, the shortest week

1:00:18

that I could spot in the and all

1:00:20

the data that you sent across me

1:00:22

was like, twenty seven hours, and and most of

1:00:24

the weeks were running twenty nine, thirty,

1:00:26

thirty two, thirty four

1:00:27

hours, and a

1:00:30

single week. And so again, that might

1:00:32

just be another way for for people to sort of

1:00:34

grasp what it is that you

1:00:36

have

1:00:36

put yourself through this year. You know,

1:00:39

we've all got a bit of time

1:00:41

off work coming up. Some people may do

1:00:43

the faster. I've wondered, some people may

1:00:45

do no sacred and just enjoy

1:00:47

a bit of downtime.

1:00:49

But what I might suggest is the

1:00:51

listeners is if you

1:00:53

are or if you have this sort

1:00:55

of time to go out and do extra training

1:00:57

over the faster period, perhaps just keep

1:00:59

a track of the biggest, not even

1:01:02

just the biggest week, but the biggest seven day

1:01:04

block that you do over the

1:01:06

coming weeks. The might of ours that you do within that seven or days

1:01:08

and the might of elevation meters

1:01:10

that you clock up during

1:01:14

that period and then just compare that to the twenty thousand. I don't wanna ask

1:01:16

anybody to do twenty thousand meters of elevation gain

1:01:18

over the faster period. That doesn't really

1:01:20

seem all fair, but

1:01:22

it's not fair. I knew

1:01:24

last week I put on the biggest week I could

1:01:26

around work and found the knife and all that. I got

1:01:28

over twelve thousand meters and that was me

1:01:30

maxed out for the week. And then that, you know, that just

1:01:32

again just had home to me just how big it ask

1:01:34

twenty thousand per week is. So

1:01:38

We might just leave it on that though with a little bit of homework

1:01:40

for those who are gonna spend a bit of time in their

1:01:42

bikes over the holiday period. Good

1:01:44

luck, guys. Enjoy it. And

1:01:47

lastly, just to finish up, how do people do it through

1:01:49

your own website, isn't it? Yeah.

1:01:51

It's through my website. So there's a yeah.

1:01:53

There's a link on the website. All

1:01:55

money goes directly to the

1:01:56

charities. Reset. Yeah. Much support. Much better. Much

1:01:58

thanks for

1:01:59

the support. Well, Jack, thanks for joining us today

1:02:01

on the

1:02:01

second best podcast, and good luck with

1:02:04

your final

1:02:06

leveraging to and your trip

1:02:08

home Dynalder. She's riding and

1:02:09

we'll

1:02:09

get you soon.

1:02:10

There, nugget. Here we

1:02:12

go. We got a

1:02:16

cup a couple of little tidbits from get today.

1:02:18

First, along with teams changing

1:02:20

riders and jerseys and all this other stuff, this

1:02:22

time of year also reveals a bunch of

1:02:26

teams changing equipment sponsors, and

1:02:28

we now know that Jumbo has switched

1:02:30

from Shimano

1:02:32

to sram. Which

1:02:33

I think is fairly big news if you're if you're gear nerd.

1:02:35

Yeah. Well, we heard about this. We

1:02:37

reported on this. What

1:02:40

is it? A month, six weeks ago now at this point? I think it's

1:02:42

only just

1:02:43

been confirmed. I I was surprised to

1:02:45

see this confirmed today because I thought it

1:02:47

was already confirmed. But

1:02:50

clearly

1:02:51

the

1:02:51

is confirmation. It takes Confirmed for now. It's either doubly confirmed or it's

1:02:54

initially confirmed, but it's confirmed. We

1:02:56

we can confirm that this has

1:02:58

been confirmed

1:02:59

who are really the only team who can

1:03:02

confirm this confirmation.

1:03:04

So what

1:03:05

we do what we

1:03:07

can confirm is

1:03:09

that will switch from Shimano

1:03:12

group sets, components

1:03:16

and wheels would they have written

1:03:18

since their Rabobank days in the early nineties? They've worked

1:03:20

with Shimano throughout that entire

1:03:24

period, you know, through the different name changes and and everything involved

1:03:26

with that team, Shimano have been a

1:03:28

a partner throughout. And for twenty

1:03:32

twenty three, Yeah.

1:03:34

It goes back basically since the team's

1:03:37

initial setup way

1:03:39

even before Rabobank,

1:03:42

but Rabobank is as far back as my memory goes.

1:03:44

And I'm I'm I'm only

1:03:47

slightly predated in the nineties.

1:03:48

So I'm I'm gonna stick with the

1:03:51

early nineties on this on.

1:03:53

But from next season on, which is the the the the the main

1:03:55

thing here, jumbo Vazmo

1:03:57

will ride with Charm

1:04:00

components and Charm group sets,

1:04:04

which I think is a pretty pretty

1:04:06

big

1:04:06

change.

1:04:08

Gifting wheels. Is it confirmed

1:04:09

Zipwhip wheels

1:04:10

also? I don't know Zipwhip wheels, but

1:04:12

I mean, no. I I guess that part

1:04:14

has not been confirmed. But Sram

1:04:18

does typically like to

1:04:20

have their team

1:04:21

bundle. So I'd be I'd be very surprised. What

1:04:24

I understand,

1:04:26

the team will write with reserve those new reserve wins

1:04:28

next season, which would make sense?

1:04:30

Yes. That would make

1:04:31

sense. Okay. Fair enough.

1:04:34

Fair enough.

1:04:35

So I I don't think either has been

1:04:37

confirmed, but from what I

1:04:40

understand,

1:04:41

from pretty Well, the most reliable of sources, the team will

1:04:44

race on reserve wins next

1:04:46

season. Okay.

1:04:47

Well, I guess, We'll have

1:04:49

to wait for yet another

1:04:52

confirmation. Other

1:04:54

other little bit of news I I wouldn't

1:04:56

even really say it's news, but this is something I wanted

1:04:58

to call call attention to for for listeners

1:05:00

as a new brand that is just

1:05:02

starting up out of Canada called

1:05:05

frameworks, not the most

1:05:07

imaginative name, unfortunately. But this new brand called

1:05:09

frameworks that they actually haven't even really started selling anything yet,

1:05:12

but it's born out

1:05:16

of a Not really sure how to describe it. It's something

1:05:18

like a like a

1:05:20

super high end industrial

1:05:22

machining shop

1:05:24

or industrial manufacturing shop. And their the frames that they're

1:05:27

producing are kind of old school in

1:05:29

the sense that their aluminum

1:05:31

lugs and bonded carbon

1:05:34

tubes. So it's just something that we've

1:05:36

seen for decades now. But it's

1:05:38

more the way that they're going about doing all this

1:05:40

stuff that I find

1:05:42

really fascinating. I don't wanna give away too much, but I

1:05:44

just wanted to point everyone to their

1:05:46

Instagram page. It's just framework

1:05:48

bikes Astana there's

1:05:52

mainly, like, a whole bunch of not really

1:05:54

teasers, but, again, like, nothing is actually for sale

1:05:56

yet, but the level of detail that

1:05:58

they're putting into all stuff and a lot of the

1:06:00

stories that they're putting in and a lot of just the

1:06:02

background information on why they're doing some of the

1:06:04

things that they're doing are I find pretty

1:06:06

fascinating. It's kinda refreshing in the bike

1:06:08

industry, I think. So

1:06:10

I just think it's worth giving them a

1:06:12

look and checking out what you

1:06:14

think because I I kind of fascinated

1:06:16

to watch whole story on on

1:06:18

rap or kinda fascinated to watch his

1:06:21

whole story kinda roll out because it's been

1:06:23

it's been pretty fun to

1:06:24

watch. James, did you see the short wheel they put up of

1:06:26

their crank set? They stuck it

1:06:28

up a couple of weeks ago. That was

1:06:32

that that They have lots of stuff on

1:06:34

their Instagram, but I haven't seen anything else yet

1:06:36

because every time I've gone into the

1:06:37

page, I've just watched that again. I think,

1:06:39

yeah. And again, those cranks

1:06:41

really caught my There's a

1:06:43

bunch of really cool stuff. There's a bunch of

1:06:46

really super nerdy details

1:06:48

that that

1:06:50

they they're calling attention to you that often just don't get discussed at all in

1:06:53

the bike industry. And IIII

1:06:55

appreciate that they are coming at this sort of

1:06:57

thing from a different

1:07:00

point of view, I think, in terms of manufacturing, which

1:07:03

is quite neat, especially with all

1:07:05

the discussion right now and all the hype

1:07:07

around three d printing. The

1:07:09

fact that someone is doing this sort of thing

1:07:11

with CNC machine logs instead of ones

1:07:13

that are

1:07:15

printed is I think it's pretty cool

1:07:18

in in a kinda like new school,

1:07:19

old school way, but it's definitely an old school

1:07:22

aesthetic. A

1:07:24

lot of new school,

1:07:26

nitty gritty detail.

1:07:28

But I I think worth worth

1:07:30

a follow, worth paying attention to because I I have a

1:07:32

feeling that something's gonna something something really interesting is

1:07:34

gonna come out of this brand in the years moving

1:07:36

forward. I do not like it won't, but because

1:07:38

this is another bike that I will

1:07:42

another another page that I will just

1:07:44

lost over whatever appears on there and

1:07:46

probably will never have.

1:07:48

And also, the cranks

1:07:50

that I mentioned there that, you know, they

1:07:52

can make them any size you want.

1:07:54

So while I'm here, with

1:07:57

this mental battle ongoing mental battle, should I raid one seventy cranks?

1:07:59

Should I raid one seventy two

1:08:01

and a half cranks? Framework

1:08:04

based on those saying, well, you can rate a one

1:08:06

seventy one point six on your

1:08:08

left and you can rate a one seventy

1:08:11

five point two on your drive side and it's like,

1:08:13

III just can't cope. It's just too

1:08:16

much. No. It

1:08:18

looks like

1:08:19

you have to big digging deep

1:08:21

into your pocket syndrome. As

1:08:22

I say, I'm I'm trying not to

1:08:23

get too shocked than just yet. I

1:08:26

mean, I'm gonna ease myself under this one

1:08:28

slowly. Yeah.

1:08:32

Because

1:08:32

frames, which I'm not sure even include

1:08:34

a fork there. They're projecting they're

1:08:36

gonna cost fifty five hundred

1:08:39

US at retail, which is obviously an awful

1:08:41

lot of money. But as I've

1:08:43

been thinking more

1:08:45

and

1:08:46

more lately, as far as how much things cost

1:08:48

in when it comes to stuff like this,

1:08:50

which is, like, kinda truly one off made and,

1:08:52

like, you know, the the intricacy and the manufacturing

1:08:54

and the detail and stuff like that, I

1:08:57

feel like the question shouldn't so much be from people. Why

1:08:59

do things like this cost so much money? I think the

1:09:01

question people should be

1:09:04

asking is, why do

1:09:06

the bikes that are more mass manufactured cost more money or cost as much money as they do.

1:09:11

So We'll just we'll

1:09:13

just leave it at that.

1:09:15

Yes. Wait.

1:09:15

We've already gone significantly over time

1:09:18

here. That's not I feel

1:09:20

like I

1:09:22

feel like we're gonna have to wrap it here. Let's

1:09:24

say everyone, and I think Mayzile will

1:09:26

tie this one off since Abbie

1:09:29

has already made her Graceful exit,

1:09:32

I guess. Yeah. But the

1:09:33

departure yet. Like

1:09:34

the it was

1:09:35

like the

1:09:35

final final episode of the Sopranes.

1:09:38

She just they just cut to out Yeah.

1:09:40

Yep. You just spoil

1:09:43

the ending for me.

1:09:49

It

1:09:49

was part of the story. With with that, that will

1:09:51

be the end of the final episode of the

1:09:53

Saucon Tip's podcast for twenty

1:09:55

twenty two. Thanks for

1:09:58

joining us this year and listening along. Johnny,

1:10:01

this is your last podcast with

1:10:03

us

1:10:03

too. And you're you're not gonna you're

1:10:05

not gonna just cut out

1:10:07

and turn off

1:10:07

your recording to you. Are you? Well, I

1:10:09

I can't I can't copy Abby now. That

1:10:12

would have been that was the best

1:10:14

way to do it, but no. So to

1:10:16

say, Bye and thanks. Thanks

1:10:18

for your luck because your luck have been pretty good, and everyone listening

1:10:21

to, been

1:10:24

finding it. It's

1:10:26

been

1:10:26

it's been alright. We've survived. We've survived. If we can survive all

1:10:27

the things that we've

1:10:28

most we've said over the past few months

1:10:30

that Tony doesn't have to pull his tech

1:10:35

face ever again. Did you see did you see in that

1:10:37

last did my last ever text segment? I

1:10:39

I had a smile on my

1:10:42

face the entire segment. Yes.

1:10:43

Did actually No. I got I

1:10:46

caught your tech, though. It's going to be shot in a minute. it.

1:10:52

Busted. Johnley,

1:10:52

you will be missed me.

1:10:54

No. I love you

1:10:55

all guys. It's been wicked. Back

1:10:57

at you.

1:10:59

You here? Okay. I said we're

1:11:02

talking at the bottom there.

1:11:04

November,

1:11:04

we are out.

1:11:06

We will see you in twenty

1:11:09

twenty three. Thanks for

1:11:11

listening. Bye. Bye. Happy holidays and all that.