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into the data

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the table jumping into a conversation

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that i think in probably our

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culture is one of the most and or no

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olympic or confusing

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maybe the word better word as i get some

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the most universally accepted this

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truth that we believe maybe the most universally accepted

1:33

lie and i think as our culture continues

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to move more and more post christian

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and as are as kind of the temperature

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of the water continues to move towards

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inclusivity and a lot of areas that are very

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hope for you know and moves towards

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even equality in some areas that historically

1:49

looking at the history of our country needs to be done

1:51

in needs to move towards something that

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is equal sometimes what can happen

1:55

is the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater and

1:58

the whole wave the tidal wave moving

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in one direction of equality can some

2:02

ways then grab christianity with it

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can grab the gospel with it and

2:06

bring it along and we call up processing

2:09

criticism semitism is retake the gospel

2:11

of christ which at it's core is offensive

2:14

and exclusive and it says

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eight dear by but what if you did

2:19

the same thing or cultures doing what if you were less

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exclusive what if you are more inclusive what if

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you gave more permission for the

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new once of different things and and

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the bible isn't the book of hebrews that that

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the scriptures in the word of god is it's never

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changing and it's sharper than a double

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edged sword able to separate bone

2:36

from marrow and seen you in flash floods

2:38

at the heart of the believer and mrs the character

2:41

of god as the same yesterday today and

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forever and so one of them more important

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questions i think as our culture move

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towards inclusivity in

2:49

all things that again a lot of those things can

2:51

be beneficial as we move towards equality

2:53

know things and lot of the things can be beneficial it's

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important to know that when we tried

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to shoehorn christianity to

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do that same thing when

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we force christianity into boxes not

3:05

meant to be in we end up for seeking the

3:07

gospel when it for seeking the truth of jesus

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on the altar of modern synchronizes

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and we end up saying instead of agreeing

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with the truth of scripture we want to mold

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almost like plato that the bible to saying

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what we want to say and in here's a great example in

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the question will be looking at today do

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all belief systems

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a lead to salvation is probably

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emotional argument that you can make an oven you hear

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someone say it's it's preach cancel a thing as

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an apologist as a pastor who gets to it

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i had privilege speaking a lot of places and

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even doing different apologetics conferences

3:39

and teaching to young adults and what not

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a i take it a lot of people come up to me and and this

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is the most awkward when they put it to they come up to

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you and they do it with such respect and the nicer

3:48

speaking for you and the

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count to one time and he said the was

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i listen to an islam a mom

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speak the other day and they talked about the love of god

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and the neighbor and all these things and and

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then i came in you talk tonight at this

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church service and i think what's so crazy

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is that we have all these cultural

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divide between christians and muslims

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and mormons and and you know what

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when i hear you talk about jesus and i hear

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this a mom talk about alla and it

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just occurred to me were all talking

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about the same god we're just

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using different routes to get there and he uses

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analogy of the house

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on a hill that someone takes a gondola

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to the top and another person takes the wind

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me wrote about the backside and and

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someone else takes a well trench pattern

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up the side of the hill with and a t v

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and and the fourth still drops in my helicopter

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and they'll be called avenues whatever

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they want but they're all right at the same house

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and he was excited give me this

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analogy and and it's hard because someone

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who's you don't like burst

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their bubble but the same time you don't want him

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walking away thinking something that's

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false and so i just i just had to tell my i

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said i think your view

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of these things is great in great sense

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that sense do think that all

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major religions that their core

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the teaching at some level love

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of god and love of neighbor

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with obviously different nuances and motivations

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and outcomes for sure but

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what you not appreciated you not appreciating where

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the belief systems are different and really that is

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wherein lies the rub it's not

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where the belief systems are the same it it's

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where the belief systems are different and so

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what i want to can't talk through today is this

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growing trend that that we're seeing

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especially as dad's in our culture and

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as the spiritual leaders

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of a both our families and of

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the christian church and of culture

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in general and this is a pretty shocking

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thing that i discovered it is a barn

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a survey that found that fifty nine percent of american

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adults blue that christians and muslims worship

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the same god even way of they have different

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names and beliefs regarding him you

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can i'm sort of all americans believe that christians

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and muslims worship the same god even

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way they have different names and beliefs regarding

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guns and mrs per hour more shocking one

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quarter that's twenty five per cent of

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all born again christians who

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would make a profession of faith they've given the life

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of jesus they're walking with god one

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quarter of born again christians say that all

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people will eventually be saved are accepted

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by got all people are the claim of

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universalism that as as long as we're making

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some attempt you pursue some

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kind of speech router some kind of higher power

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that we're going to be safe in that it doesn't matter

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what religion you are faith you follow because

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the all teach the same basic lessons

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said twenty six percent of americans an

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even larger percent a born again christians

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forty percent because they believe christians

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and muslims worship the same god

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that's almost a coin flip of

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born again christians who thinks that thing that christians

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and muslims worship the same

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god the view i think

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that if you hold it up against the claims

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of scripture the problem isn't

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in the philosophy of

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it from afar the problem is when you really to

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ensue the muck in the mire

6:58

of theology and really understand the differences

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in belief systems the idea

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that there's more than one way to god or

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that all different belief systems that little

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that popular bumper sticker

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that some people have an asus coexist

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in the sea is like a spiritualized

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moon and the v is part

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of like the jewish star of

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david and the t is across of

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jesus christ and and so it's basically

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a call for that that all belief systems

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are the same and and while i think that the bible

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teaches again and again and again and again and

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again respect for

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love towards our

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friends and other belief systems

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that in no way equates

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them as equal

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in measure as terms of truth

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or in terms of cel visit value that

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means their ability to save you that

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jesus make some really really

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really exclusive and board queens when

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it comes to who he is and

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what he has done that if you

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have the nerve to say all belief systems

7:58

of the same our to make the case that making

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the real very terminal

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errors in christian judgment

8:06

if you say that our belief systems lead

8:08

to the same a lead to heaven or that someone

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can be saved just by safe

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in one of those gods or or as long as

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we're all attempting to seek

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the same got them are going to be saved i

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understand i really do get the coach

8:20

that with of my i live in southern california so

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i am at home at like that the spearhead

8:26

of understanding how offensive that

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truth claim is that jesus

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and jesus alone is the way to have been

8:32

in that no one else will get there unless it's through

8:35

him so i understand that

8:37

but please before he turned

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off or senate and angry

8:42

email let me just let me finish this

8:45

idea that i think is

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what actually makes the proclamation

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of the gospel jesus christ so important

8:52

the can not all people will be saved

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by any kind of higher power a a

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jewish person will not be saved by believing

8:58

in the old testament god while rejecting

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the new testament revelation of jesus that

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we do not worship the same god as mormons

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and and let me give you three reasons

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why applying logic and theology

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and philosophy to this and the first one is

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this and it's probably the simplest

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which is if you take the the writings

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of jesus serious if you take

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the proclamations of jesus seriously

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in the book of hebrew says that the way

9:23

we understand the got of the universe has to recent

9:25

jesus christ that that jesus is the fall

9:27

revelation of the character of god though

9:29

you know what the god of the jews

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is like you know what the god of all

9:34

things is like you want to know what that god

9:36

is actually do you are know what ya way is all about

9:38

them look at jesus maybe

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to claim john fourteen for sex had such

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a boat dishes bold and

9:45

you could say life threatening claiming this is what got the

9:47

guy killed jon fourteen for six

9:49

he says sir thomas who asks

9:51

how are we didn't have no the weather have in jesus

9:53

as i am the way i

9:55

am the truth i am the life known

9:57

comes to the father but through me the

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you know it and zip greek to be able to understand

10:02

this passage but you do need to know one thing

10:04

is that they're the word in greek for a

10:06

the indefinite article on there's a word for the

10:09

which is a definite article or

10:11

this is the same thing as saying imagine

10:14

someone in a foreign territory saying i am a

10:16

king of this world as opposed to i am

10:18

the king of this world right for you have

10:20

someone on the on a basketball team they say

10:22

i am a great players raven insane i

10:24

am the great player right like

10:26

just saying that one article makes a big

10:29

difference in jesus doesn't mince words he says

10:31

i am the way the truth and the

10:33

lives and and in making that proclamation

10:35

seats that definite article he's saying

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that there is nothing else there's a

10:40

word for saying i am away i am

10:42

a truth i'm allies there's other ways

10:44

and not only does he use it as an article that he doubles

10:46

down by contextualize

10:48

and get in the next and as i am the way the truth

10:50

and life here comes no one

10:52

comes to the father but through mean

10:55

no one will experience paradise but

10:57

through me to be in the father's presence

10:59

is to be in heaven as

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john seventeen tells us this is paradise is

11:03

to know the father and the ones he has

11:06

sent so there is no haven't without jesus

11:08

there is no haven't without near ness to

11:10

jesus jesus himself

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is heaven i i think we probably confuses

11:14

idea lot heaven isn't the place where

11:16

jesus is jesus

11:18

is the place where seven is couldn't

11:21

think about that and it might seem kind

11:23

of like over dogma ties dork splitting

11:26

hairs but it's not splitting hairs seven isn't

11:28

the place where jesus lives either

11:31

the place where heaven is it

11:33

was all the fullness in the power and

11:35

the glory in the joy and the fun

11:38

and the paradise that comes with everlasting

11:40

life is not because god me this really cool

11:42

place never one small you'll see jesus walking round

11:45

all of the joy and the known in this

11:47

and the love in the comfort in the peace

11:49

and the joy in the frivolity and that the

11:52

deep sense of belonging of heaven

11:54

is not because god made a really neat place that

11:56

we as humans are going experience it's because

11:58

that place is near jesus

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said jesus is what makes

12:02

have been worth wanting to go to and

12:05

while that might be difficult for us to understand i can

12:07

just assure you haven't without jesus

12:09

will be held because whatever

12:11

news is where god exist and such

12:14

when jesus as no one comes the father but through

12:16

me to be in the father's presence is

12:18

heaven itself so that the islam idea of

12:21

of paradise outside of being with jesus

12:23

is the foreign concept to

12:25

the gospel it's just not there the

12:27

for the only exclusive claim that jesus

12:29

makes he says again and again that that

12:32

he and the father are one he doubled down

12:34

on the old testament belief systems that

12:36

there is no god but but yeah way

12:38

and then that's siro israel the lord our god

12:40

the lord as one would obviously cancel out every

12:43

polytheistic religion into some people would say

12:45

will it leaves and taxes and judaism

12:48

and islam because they both also

12:50

believe in monotheism yes

12:53

but the difference is more

12:55

important than what's the same the

12:57

difference is what separates

12:59

the believer in the safe in the non save not

13:01

what we have in common it's like saying that

13:04

because demons believe

13:06

that jesus is the son

13:08

of god dion across and raised

13:10

again from death that they will be signal from the

13:12

bible makes it clear that the demons believe in

13:14

jesus and they tremble their seven appropriate

13:17

fear of god which is

13:19

far more than a lot of proclaimed christians

13:21

have but it's not what we have in common

13:23

with demons that is gonna get us

13:25

into heaven it's it's what we have unique

13:28

from demons that will get us know have namely

13:30

that we trust in jesus for salvation

13:33

thou way was made for us to

13:35

get back into relationship with

13:37

the father to be reconciled second current inside

13:39

twenty one that jesus became said

13:41

who knew no seen that we as people can become

13:43

his righteousness once again

13:46

it's not what we have in common with belief

13:48

systems that saves us it is

13:50

what is separated that

13:52

makes the claims of jesus exclusive

13:55

there were other people and jesus the day

13:57

and age who claimed to be the savior

13:59

see the the himself julius caesar

14:02

what his birthday was coming up he had a season

14:04

called advent wherever would celebrate

14:06

the birthday of of julius

14:09

caesar and she claimed to be the savior

14:11

that the gods of egypt claim to be

14:13

the ones who made the stars come out

14:15

at night and new made the sunset and come up

14:18

it's not the claim that they made that are similar to

14:20

jesus that made them powerful it's where jesus

14:22

was unique it's where she's actually executed

14:24

these things as where jesus didn't come

14:26

back from the dead it's what is

14:28

different that makes the cross

14:31

of christ you need to all the belief systems

14:33

and that makes our faith in

14:35

jesus the only way

14:37

to heaven jesus also you make

14:39

proclamations in the scriptures one

14:42

person asks in the new testament a book of

14:44

loop will many people be saved his us

14:46

has truly truly tell you narrow

14:48

is the gate by which people

14:51

enter into ever and wide is

14:53

the gay that leads to destruction so when we

14:55

say this idea of all people

14:57

are going to be say if you're talking about one

14:59

point five billion muslims and

15:01

three billion two billion

15:03

whatever the number is proclaimed christians

15:06

we asked understand that jesus made a really strong claim

15:08

their that if you've got mormons

15:11

corn enough that tens of millions

15:13

and you've got muslims who are a

15:15

more than a believe that christians who are

15:17

whatever billion and got catholics and you've got jehovah's

15:20

witnesses at that what you do with that claim that

15:23

the majority of the world is

15:25

religious the vast majority

15:27

of the world is spiritual religious so

15:29

how do we rectify that

15:32

would jesus claim that only a

15:34

few will enter through the narrow

15:36

gate that's not the same thing to

15:38

say universally everyone's gonna be saved his

15:40

to call jesus a liar to say well when you said narrows

15:42

the gate and he said why does the day that we

15:45

the disruption a narrow as to get leads the oven

15:47

i think you are mistaken jesus and we know one thing

15:49

jesus is not mistaken

15:51

for the first reason we can understand that

15:54

it doesn't make sense biblically to save

15:56

that there's more than one way to get to heaven in

15:58

all humility is in we

16:00

would have to look at the teachings of

16:03

jesus and say that he is a liar in

16:06

the claim that he makes have been the truth is revelation

16:08

the the miracle that he performed

16:11

the book of john tells us that that the that was

16:13

validity of his divinity that that this

16:16

is i in the father are one before abraham was

16:18

i am so jesus unites himself

16:20

with the god of the universe the same

16:23

god that the the people

16:25

in the old testament were hoping to praise you

16:27

that when the jews say no

16:29

we worship ya way but we don't worship jesus

16:31

use the same here know you don't understand i

16:34

am one with ya way

16:36

right it's as the angel of the lord

16:38

speaks immodest the burning bush when when

16:40

jews except the story of

16:42

the burning bush and except the miracles of

16:44

the old testament where jesus the

16:46

pre incarnate christ shows up but he rejected

16:49

jesus they're actually not

16:51

praying to the same gabi prayed to because our

16:53

god as inseparably try you the

16:56

godhead father son and holy spirit

16:58

to only believe in the

17:00

father and what he has done and reject

17:02

the other two is to altogether myth the

17:05

try unity of god right

17:08

it's not to say the same thing so in

17:10

a very real way even though you use

17:12

the word yahweh i imagine if someone came up to

17:14

me and they're like chris we

17:16

love you i'm like oh really

17:19

wow okay that's neat how

17:21

do i know you know it oh yeah we we

17:23

know your wife sarah and

17:26

we know that you have your twelve kids

17:28

that we've loved your ministry of ethiopia

17:30

and we know that you love cats

17:33

and we know that you're really into like

17:35

a t a's and you really yellow year i

17:37

would you do not go yeah

17:41

outside of my name none of

17:43

the rest of that was true

17:45

and so they started seeing of my attributes are

17:47

singing of what i love to discern worshipping

17:50

which would be obviously completely

17:52

heretical to do because i am neither divine are worthy

17:54

of the least bit of worship because i'm an idiot and

17:56

a dumpster fire but that's beside the point

17:58

you can understand the analogy there were

18:00

a would be really easy to go oh yeah you know talking

18:03

about me so it's easy to

18:05

say that while we use the same word are we even

18:07

derive our basic concept of monotheism

18:09

from the old testament both that the

18:12

jew and the and the muslim

18:14

and christian a light we are not praying

18:16

to or worse been the same dot the

18:18

very nature of who he is we believe

18:21

is very different from one another and so

18:23

i don't think that the better question

18:25

i think to ask isn't are we worshipping

18:28

the same god the better question is are

18:30

we all pleasing to god is

18:32

our worship please into got his got accepting

18:35

all of the worship of all three of them equally

18:37

than the answer that is unequivocally no it's

18:39

not just our are empty

18:41

singing and praising that makes

18:44

us saved it is the communal

18:46

relationship it's dad responding to

18:48

our worship or that's that he accepts or

18:50

worship as worship when

18:53

a nonbeliever sings worship

18:55

songs does god receive it in

18:57

glory know that person is

18:59

lying that person is a false beliefs

19:02

it is not receive is what the old testament says

19:04

it's the the prayers of a righteous man

19:06

or heard the worship of the redeemed

19:09

is like a pleasing aroma in

19:11

the nose of god it's not just anything

19:13

it's a certain thing is through the cross of crisis

19:16

through the lens of being his children that's

19:18

why that's the old testament says that the all

19:21

of our works are like are pile of dirty rags

19:23

before god but when we are in christ and

19:25

the spirit works through us then all then sudden

19:27

or work as his children his pleasing to

19:29

us is pleasing your site overboard

19:32

and that's what the book of some sort teaches us

19:34

to self the lesser question is

19:36

do we all wish the same got the more important

19:38

question because our salvation

19:40

doesn't come from how eagerly or

19:43

house sincerely we worship but

19:45

the real truth of worship comes from his

19:47

are worshipping received by the creative the

19:49

universe the throw out

19:51

songs into the easter is

19:53

of no importance the question is is

19:55

that worship reaching the ear

19:58

and the heart of the the universe

20:00

and so when you ask the question reverse not do

20:03

we are worship the same god but does god receive

20:05

all worship the worship god

20:07

receive all worship equally know that

20:09

only receives worship that is true what is

20:11

the new testament say in the book of john chapter

20:14

four and i'm robin for me but i think this is it p

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zoc as a woman the well and she says sure

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we worship on this now under that now nurse we worship

20:20

here there and you the says i tell you the

20:22

truth the time is coming as now come with a true

20:24

or spurs knocking worse when this mountain or that know that

20:26

is irrelevant because

20:28

the to worshippers will worship in spirit

20:31

and in truth that

20:33

means understanding both that

20:36

we are worshipping out of a redemption

20:38

of a godsend for profitable worshipping a

20:41

true understanding of who got is that

20:43

all plays into it so jesus makes a credit

20:45

only one way that's the first points the second thing

20:47

is that true says rules to

20:49

it and the idea of universalism

20:51

breaks many of the fundamental rules of truth

20:54

so the number one point they were making the number one

20:56

reason why there can't be more than one way as see the

20:58

said there's not more than one way which should

21:00

be sufficient but for a lot of us we might want to dive

21:02

a little bit deeper and that's a theological point

21:04

there were making and maybe for talking to add to

21:06

a muslim we wanna make a different point or

21:09

talking to our mormon friends and say what here's

21:11

why these things are different than the funny

21:13

thing is that the truth as rules and universalism

21:15

or the idea that all paths lead to god breaks

21:18

many of them and consider probably

21:20

the most basic rule of truth

21:22

and that is the rule of non contradiction

21:24

that a and not a can't

21:27

be true at the same time i can't

21:29

solve a sandwich in front of me

21:31

and also not have a sandwich in front of me at the same

21:33

time he was you can't equal

21:35

for and but two plus

21:37

two of so doesn't equal for the same time

21:39

that is called the rule of non contradicts and it's

21:41

the basis of all logic it's are we

21:44

interact with each other it's how we prove people wrong

21:46

in court it's why alibis are important

21:48

you can't both be that position a

21:50

and not at position eight the same time you

21:53

can be at the crime scene and some ross the same

21:55

time so an alibi is able to

21:57

and a lot of ways free someone of guilt or

21:59

can the them because

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the rule non contradiction applies and then

22:04

in and co exist or the universal

22:06

principles edwin being said could work if

22:08

all belief systems like the old

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indian proverb that all belief

22:12

systems are like part of an elephant's you

22:14

know and and the muslim is grabbing

22:17

the trunk of the elephant dot is such a massive

22:19

creature that each of our different beliefs and only

22:21

understand the part of who he is

22:23

and and so the muslim grabs the trunk of the elephant

22:26

and says god is like a row got

22:28

it like a hose you know and and the christians

22:30

are all grasping the foot of the elephant gun no

22:32

no no no you're wrong god is like a stump

22:35

as we grabbed the football were blindfolded we can't

22:37

see the full picture weren't a dark room and

22:39

each of us as grasping at this massive elephant

22:41

that is god and as we grab the elephants

22:44

voice and oh god and like a tree or

22:46

mormon friends at the back of the elephant grab the

22:48

elephants tells a winner got is like a rope and

22:50

and then are jehovah's witnesses friends grub

22:52

the ear and say no god is like paper god

22:54

is like this thing parchment and

22:57

so a lot of time secularism or universalism

22:59

looks at us in a dark room blindfolded

23:02

goes you fools country to see

23:04

your all touching the same god you to see

23:06

it differently and it makes a bunch of

23:08

critical errors in judgment and

23:10

in and in truth and and the first one

23:12

being you're still that argument

23:15

still the poses

23:17

it's on the ball that there's actually belief system as a policy

23:20

all that and understand that we're all grasping at one

23:22

part of it which is a remarkably

23:25

arrogant claim because person a

23:27

is not religious the one watching they're

23:29

not victim to understanding

23:31

god only partially and and if we just

23:33

weren't religious we could see that all religious belief systems

23:36

are the same which is claimed that he religious

23:38

people are somehow superior

23:40

intellectually superior on and perspective

23:42

to christians or muslims or jews

23:45

or whatever it is and that and again that's just

23:47

so horribly urgent claim lubbock

23:49

way anything except for the idea that

23:51

really people have are less than

23:53

in the way that they say the second thing

23:56

to understand when it comes the road non contradiction

23:58

is if you just sick of the of jesus

24:01

and this is like every time a mormon or

24:03

a person the church and discuss leather seats

24:05

comes to my door let it break

24:08

and i probably shouldn't but i really love it

24:10

because i see doesn't exist as a moment

24:12

to evangelize and you've got these young twenty somethings

24:14

that are on their mission and car lease

24:17

or they passionate about what they're doing but

24:19

she's are they misinformed and are

24:22

they under informed even about basic christian

24:24

teachings and i'm kind

24:26

of blacklisted now because i feel

24:28

like even when like asked fundamental questions

24:30

there's just no real answer to it so

24:33

just sick the person of jesus and for

24:35

the christian jesus christian jesus christ god

24:37

of the universe john chapter one in the beginning

24:39

was the word numbers with gotten the word was god

24:42

if you take that the watch tower

24:44

and the new world translation from jehovah's

24:46

witness the actually change that verse in

24:48

the original greek it it to use the word taunt

24:51

the on in the in the beginning was

24:53

the word and the word as with gotten the word was

24:56

god he was god it in

24:58

their bible they actually read translate

25:00

and in the beginning there was this word

25:03

in this word was a god there would actually

25:05

change the original greek and they've actually gotten

25:07

in big trouble for this because charles taste russell the

25:09

guy who founded the religion doesn't understand

25:11

greek he couldn't even tell the greek alphabet to a

25:14

bunch of litigators that were and that he was on

25:16

trial he was on trial for forgery

25:18

but anyways this into here nor there that's a whole different

25:20

podcast but anyway you

25:23

see the person of jesus in john chapter

25:25

once in the beginning was the word in the words

25:27

with gotten the word was god he was with gotten the beginning

25:29

through jesus all things were made him without

25:31

him nothing is made that has come into existence self

25:34

in the very first chapter of john these

25:36

are incredibly exclusive

25:38

claimed that jesus and the father

25:41

the rebuild the old testament or one in the same

25:43

jesus as i in the father are one

25:46

he is the only special begotten son

25:48

of the father but she is do all

25:51

the deity and all of the worship that claassens

25:53

one tells us he is the fullness he is the

25:55

tareq tear he is the icon he

25:57

is the perfect image of the

25:59

fall the to us through in

26:01

christian leaders of the god of the universe who died

26:03

and across and rose again from the dead to pay

26:06

the to pay the ransom for our sins to

26:08

undertake the punishment for our sins

26:10

and we believe that and that's core doctrine

26:13

you can't be christian and not believe

26:15

that so let me ask the question some

26:17

mormons were gonna be like will believe in the same jesus but

26:19

it's it's kind of an analogy use before you would use the

26:21

same name we don't mean the same thing if i told

26:23

you i had a friend named jesus

26:25

and i believe he was the god of the universe that and across

26:27

rose again and he paid

26:29

the price that i deserved

26:31

to pay through his death barrel resurrection

26:34

and you said oh you're jesus yep you know i know him

26:36

in mormon theology jesus as a created been

26:39

he's created by one of an

26:41

infinite number of god's throughout

26:43

all of existence he doesn't have the power to create

26:46

x knee hilo god doesn't have the power to create

26:48

out of nothing that all matter is pre-existing

26:50

the matter and all that the god of the universe can actually

26:52

do as reform matter

26:54

and he can reconstitute things into different

26:57

things but he actually can't create out of

26:59

nothing that jesus taught him across the help

27:01

us as long as we're doing good work to

27:03

get to heaven after all we can do god does

27:05

the rest of the work but jesus his brother

27:07

is satan and they actually come

27:10

from their heavenly father who

27:12

used to be a man and comes from

27:14

a a star near the a planet called

27:16

kolob and we just start going wait

27:18

no no no no no you say jesus we see jesus

27:20

but we do not mean the same thing and just in the

27:22

core doctrine is jesus

27:24

the exclusive and only god

27:26

of the universe there

27:28

are no other gods before me that's what the the

27:30

old testament says and in the psalms there

27:33

is no god form before me indo north as or

27:35

inner god after meets we believe that as

27:37

christians mormons believe that there's an infinite

27:39

multitude of god's both been form before

27:41

and being formed after in jesus

27:43

is just one of a manifestation

27:46

of heavenly father who was

27:48

a gotten this planet but we all have the

27:50

about the power to become gods

27:52

in ourselves and our god it used

27:54

to be a man just like us what

27:56

that's not the same thing at all and so the rule of non

27:58

contradiction says

27:59

jesus the exclusive lot of the

28:02

universe was created all things

28:04

acne he low for it is a created

28:06

being son of satan who was

28:09

part of the creation of heavenly father

28:12

does not contradiction you can't believe both of those

28:14

things and those are both core doctrines to the beliefs

28:17

in islam jesus in really dinah cross buy

28:19

a lookalike was brought in last minute be crucified

28:22

oh gets will our core doctrine teaches that it

28:24

was jesus christ himself who was killed

28:26

buried and resurrected and the the core

28:28

beliefs islam is jesus didn't really down the cross

28:31

but a look like was brought in and he was

28:33

crucified okay so which one of those

28:35

it's true you keep those two ideas don't

28:37

co exist it's they're mutually exclusive

28:39

one another atheism

28:42

a guy named jesus died in the cross and stayed dead

28:44

the end the jehovah's

28:46

witness jesus was the son of god

28:48

but not god himself but

28:50

the archangel michael and was and lesser

28:53

god though mighty the only

28:55

rose spiritually but not bottle easy in

28:57

just those belief systems

28:59

christianity mormonism is lot atheism

29:02

and jehovah's witness we we have second

29:04

week disagreement on our fundamental core doctrine

29:07

so not only point number one diseases make it clear

29:09

that he is the only way luckily

29:12

truth necessitates that

29:14

in most these cases especially christianity

29:17

if christianity is true it exclusively

29:19

is true i guess other belief systems

29:22

that would permit more than one being true

29:24

or at least ideologies right like in

29:27

buddhism i don't think there's necessarily a claim

29:29

that you must exclusively at a minute a lotta different

29:31

aeration the buddhism but it doesn't claim

29:33

that you have three it's more of an ideology

29:35

move a way of living so it could rationally

29:38

be said that someone is an atheist

29:40

but they practice all of the precepts

29:43

of the buddha break those things are exclusive

29:45

you can be a buddhist who believes in these different things

29:47

the also not only that there is a god because it's

29:49

just the belief system you could be a taoist to

29:51

also christianity doesn't

29:54

if you believe in the precepts

29:56

and the teaches of scripture you also believe

29:59

that there's only

29:59

one way to god and it's backed up by

30:02

by the simple rule logic the rule of non contradiction

30:05

third

30:06

the personal use made it clear cruz

30:08

has rules universalism break them

30:11

and three if there was

30:13

more than one way to god it actually ruins

30:16

the character of god what i mean by the character of

30:18

god first john forever seven and a therefore beloved

30:20

let us love one another for love comes from god and anyone

30:22

that loves his point of got a nose gun if you do not

30:24

love you do not know god because god is

30:27

love than the old testament and the book of

30:29

exodus chapter thirty three and thirty four

30:31

when god reveals himself to moses

30:34

he passes by and then he whispers and

30:36

through his whisper becomes a powerful movement

30:39

and it it says the glory of god has revealed

30:41

and then moses here's you always

30:43

say the lord the lord compassionate

30:46

this compassionate god but also

30:49

not unwilling to punish people for the

30:51

sins of their father to the third and fourth generation

30:53

and in and so god reveals himself and

30:55

then through the person of christ but you can't hebrew says

30:57

is the perfect iteration of the character

31:00

of the father they're not to different people god didn't

31:02

get nicer in the new testament jesus

31:04

is the perfect character of the unchanging

31:07

god of the old testament it

31:09

says this is says that jesus

31:12

teacher the precepts of

31:14

kindness and love end for

31:16

sure he stands hard on truth and then

31:18

and he makes it clear what is right and why would

31:20

sees us so boldly claim

31:23

that there's only one one way to gotta it's it's not

31:25

because he's mean it's because he loves imagine

31:27

us all and of in a room that's burning down

31:30

and you had and pass by which

31:32

you knew the way out but

31:34

the only path out was actually to kill

31:37

the first year of your only beloved

31:39

son the new set up there and

31:41

you knew that there was one and only what

31:43

one way out of the stream all the of the doors were locked

31:45

and we couldn't get out and then you revealed

31:47

the to all of mankind of the only way out is to the death

31:49

of your son and then you willingly gave up your

31:52

son to be killed and or that all

31:54

might escape that absolute

31:56

broken this and that torture of

31:58

the pain of being burned

32:00

and been killed what would be the character

32:03

of the man that said i know the way

32:06

i know there's only one way you can try all these doors

32:08

if you want you but there's only one way

32:10

out if you try to to the doors you're gonna

32:12

find that they're all lock and it's gonna lead to destruction

32:14

but before the path it's made

32:16

by the death of my son then you will

32:19

be saved we would consider that gotta be

32:21

very loving tips and the truth that he

32:23

gave us even though we would go like was how could

32:25

you say that all we the doors are locked and

32:27

jesus saying i'm pleading with you if

32:29

you try to do something else it's

32:32

not the work follow me if

32:34

anyone wants that to follow to be

32:36

saved he must deny himself he comes cross and

32:38

follow me this is what god says

32:41

mussina her the problem if all the

32:43

other doors were actually open then

32:45

god sacrificing his son in the cross

32:47

to make just another way to have in

32:50

would take away gods character of being

32:52

loving compassionate gentle

32:55

and forth self control is

32:58

loving kindness is revealed nature

33:00

to us of being this father figure

33:03

you see if god killed his son

33:06

just to make one more way so that

33:08

he could have a new belief system but buddhism

33:10

would have done mormonism would have done islam

33:13

would have done being a good person

33:15

would have been just fine if we all

33:17

just tried to be nicer to each other we would have been saved

33:19

susie he's innocent i'm saying if all

33:22

of those were ways to get to heaven

33:24

then if if god sacrifices jesus and the

33:26

cross see he isn't the loving the the

33:28

would actually ruin his character we would

33:30

among that is a sadist a god who

33:32

just out there to to murder

33:35

his child so that

33:37

we could have a nother route see

33:40

the only way out of that burning building was to

33:42

his son the mood look at him he would say thank you so

33:44

much for telling us the truth that if we follow the

33:46

other doors it would have led to our destruction and thank

33:48

you for this sacrifice of your son

33:50

creating the only way out in the only

33:52

way to be saved but

33:55

if that man starts laughing and he goes now

33:57

as as kid know those doors are open mormonism

33:59

was been a la mano been judaism

34:02

was open those all the doors were open is

34:04

a sacrifice my son is i just thought couldn't

34:07

we use one more way the

34:09

actually abolishes his character his

34:11

character of love his character of gentleness

34:13

and kindness is even his character have

34:15

been brilliant of being creative

34:18

of being of sound mind

34:20

of of being a comfort in a piece

34:22

in times of trouble he would become something

34:25

entirely different so those

34:27

are three points to mates in conclusion

34:29

to say as someone asks us and again

34:31

it this is what our kids are going to ask us as americans

34:33

are going to face and this is what and lot of us are

34:35

have the answer even in our own homes got

34:38

it for it or data if god really loves

34:40

us and we are trying to seek after

34:42

we use of the wrong idea is it really that big

34:44

of really deal is it really that big of really deal that my friends

34:46

believe this even though that were christians

34:49

and their mormons their it doesn't really make that big of make difference

34:51

big think the answers unequivocally yes and

34:53

more society wants to tell us of there's no

34:55

true difference we look at the bible we

34:57

find that jesus makes it clear there's only one way

35:00

that's to say there's more them away actually break

35:02

some was every rule of non contradiction possible

35:05

and it makes it logically to hear to

35:07

thirdly it abolish the character of

35:09

god which

35:10

that our whole belief system is based on

35:12

that he is compassionate and loving

35:15

forth with and that he tells the truth

35:17

in that he's not a liar he is not crazy is

35:19

not perverse in his nature you're not a sadist

35:22

he doesn't want says with the bumps he does he did not

35:24

desire

35:24

that all men would got would move to destruction with that

35:26

they would be saved through his son

35:29

and we understand those simple principles and we

35:31

do so with humility and respect as the bible

35:33

talks to us about and the new testament in

35:35

first peter chapter three when we when we practice

35:37

those principles rightly

35:40

and we do so in a way that is when some i think we

35:42

can still stand in our culture

35:44

with all the truth of the scriptures

35:46

in hand and still do so in a way

35:49

that is able to intrigue the

35:51

hearts and minds of those around us and

35:53

to be sure there's people living in our churches

35:55

maybe even living in our homes or sitting

35:57

beside us and our bible study who truly believe

36:00

the all people worship the same god and

36:02

i think the only way to truly loved them

36:04

is to look at them with all the gentleness scripture

36:06

causes happened to say had i don't

36:08

think that's actually true let me give you in

36:10

all humility

36:12

the reasons why she's made it

36:14

clear truth has rules

36:16

and that goes against the character of god the

36:18

discussion was hopeful for you were said

36:21

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36:23

that is conversation can be helpful for you or

36:25

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36:28

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36:30

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36:44

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