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into the data
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the table jumping into a conversation
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that i think in probably our
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culture is one of the most and or no
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olympic or confusing
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maybe the word better word as i get some
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the most universally accepted this
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truth that we believe maybe the most universally accepted
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lie and i think as our culture continues
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to move more and more post christian
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and as are as kind of the temperature
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of the water continues to move towards
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inclusivity and a lot of areas that are very
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hope for you know and moves towards
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even equality in some areas that historically
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looking at the history of our country needs to be done
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in needs to move towards something that
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is equal sometimes what can happen
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is the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater and
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the whole wave the tidal wave moving
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in one direction of equality can some
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ways then grab christianity with it
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can grab the gospel with it and
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bring it along and we call up processing
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criticism semitism is retake the gospel
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of christ which at it's core is offensive
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and exclusive and it says
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eight dear by but what if you did
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the same thing or cultures doing what if you were less
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exclusive what if you are more inclusive what if
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you gave more permission for the
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new once of different things and and
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the bible isn't the book of hebrews that that
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the scriptures in the word of god is it's never
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changing and it's sharper than a double
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edged sword able to separate bone
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from marrow and seen you in flash floods
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at the heart of the believer and mrs the character
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of god as the same yesterday today and
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forever and so one of them more important
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questions i think as our culture move
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towards inclusivity in
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all things that again a lot of those things can
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be beneficial as we move towards equality
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know things and lot of the things can be beneficial it's
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important to know that when we tried
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to shoehorn christianity to
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do that same thing when
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we force christianity into boxes not
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meant to be in we end up for seeking the
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gospel when it for seeking the truth of jesus
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on the altar of modern synchronizes
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and we end up saying instead of agreeing
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with the truth of scripture we want to mold
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almost like plato that the bible to saying
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what we want to say and in here's a great example in
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the question will be looking at today do
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all belief systems
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a lead to salvation is probably
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emotional argument that you can make an oven you hear
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someone say it's it's preach cancel a thing as
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an apologist as a pastor who gets to it
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i had privilege speaking a lot of places and
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even doing different apologetics conferences
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and teaching to young adults and what not
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a i take it a lot of people come up to me and and this
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is the most awkward when they put it to they come up to
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you and they do it with such respect and the nicer
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speaking for you and the
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count to one time and he said the was
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i listen to an islam a mom
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speak the other day and they talked about the love of god
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and the neighbor and all these things and and
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then i came in you talk tonight at this
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church service and i think what's so crazy
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is that we have all these cultural
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divide between christians and muslims
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and mormons and and you know what
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when i hear you talk about jesus and i hear
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this a mom talk about alla and it
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just occurred to me were all talking
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about the same god we're just
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using different routes to get there and he uses
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analogy of the house
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on a hill that someone takes a gondola
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to the top and another person takes the wind
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me wrote about the backside and and
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someone else takes a well trench pattern
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up the side of the hill with and a t v
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and and the fourth still drops in my helicopter
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and they'll be called avenues whatever
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they want but they're all right at the same house
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and he was excited give me this
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analogy and and it's hard because someone
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who's you don't like burst
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their bubble but the same time you don't want him
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walking away thinking something that's
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false and so i just i just had to tell my i
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said i think your view
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of these things is great in great sense
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that sense do think that all
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major religions that their core
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the teaching at some level love
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of god and love of neighbor
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with obviously different nuances and motivations
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and outcomes for sure but
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what you not appreciated you not appreciating where
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the belief systems are different and really that is
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wherein lies the rub it's not
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where the belief systems are the same it it's
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where the belief systems are different and so
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what i want to can't talk through today is this
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growing trend that that we're seeing
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especially as dad's in our culture and
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as the spiritual leaders
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of a both our families and of
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the christian church and of culture
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in general and this is a pretty shocking
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thing that i discovered it is a barn
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a survey that found that fifty nine percent of american
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adults blue that christians and muslims worship
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the same god even way of they have different
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names and beliefs regarding him you
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can i'm sort of all americans believe that christians
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and muslims worship the same god even
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way they have different names and beliefs regarding
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guns and mrs per hour more shocking one
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quarter that's twenty five per cent of
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all born again christians who
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would make a profession of faith they've given the life
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of jesus they're walking with god one
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quarter of born again christians say that all
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people will eventually be saved are accepted
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by got all people are the claim of
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universalism that as as long as we're making
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some attempt you pursue some
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kind of speech router some kind of higher power
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that we're going to be safe in that it doesn't matter
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what religion you are faith you follow because
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the all teach the same basic lessons
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said twenty six percent of americans an
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even larger percent a born again christians
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forty percent because they believe christians
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and muslims worship the same god
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that's almost a coin flip of
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born again christians who thinks that thing that christians
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and muslims worship the same
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god the view i think
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that if you hold it up against the claims
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of scripture the problem isn't
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in the philosophy of
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it from afar the problem is when you really to
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ensue the muck in the mire
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of theology and really understand the differences
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in belief systems the idea
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that there's more than one way to god or
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that all different belief systems that little
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that popular bumper sticker
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that some people have an asus coexist
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in the sea is like a spiritualized
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moon and the v is part
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of like the jewish star of
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david and the t is across of
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jesus christ and and so it's basically
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a call for that that all belief systems
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are the same and and while i think that the bible
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teaches again and again and again and again and
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again respect for
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love towards our
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friends and other belief systems
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that in no way equates
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them as equal
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in measure as terms of truth
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or in terms of cel visit value that
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means their ability to save you that
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jesus make some really really
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really exclusive and board queens when
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it comes to who he is and
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what he has done that if you
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have the nerve to say all belief systems
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of the same our to make the case that making
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the real very terminal
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errors in christian judgment
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if you say that our belief systems lead
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to the same a lead to heaven or that someone
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can be saved just by safe
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in one of those gods or or as long as
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we're all attempting to seek
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the same got them are going to be saved i
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understand i really do get the coach
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that with of my i live in southern california so
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i am at home at like that the spearhead
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of understanding how offensive that
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truth claim is that jesus
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and jesus alone is the way to have been
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in that no one else will get there unless it's through
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him so i understand that
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but please before he turned
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off or senate and angry
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email let me just let me finish this
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idea that i think is
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what actually makes the proclamation
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of the gospel jesus christ so important
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the can not all people will be saved
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by any kind of higher power a a
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jewish person will not be saved by believing
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in the old testament god while rejecting
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the new testament revelation of jesus that
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we do not worship the same god as mormons
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and and let me give you three reasons
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why applying logic and theology
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and philosophy to this and the first one is
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this and it's probably the simplest
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which is if you take the the writings
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of jesus serious if you take
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the proclamations of jesus seriously
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in the book of hebrew says that the way
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we understand the got of the universe has to recent
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jesus christ that that jesus is the fall
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revelation of the character of god though
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you know what the god of the jews
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is like you know what the god of all
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things is like you want to know what that god
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is actually do you are know what ya way is all about
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them look at jesus maybe
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to claim john fourteen for sex had such
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a boat dishes bold and
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you could say life threatening claiming this is what got the
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guy killed jon fourteen for six
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he says sir thomas who asks
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how are we didn't have no the weather have in jesus
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as i am the way i
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am the truth i am the life known
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comes to the father but through me the
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you know it and zip greek to be able to understand
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this passage but you do need to know one thing
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is that they're the word in greek for a
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the indefinite article on there's a word for the
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which is a definite article or
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this is the same thing as saying imagine
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someone in a foreign territory saying i am a
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king of this world as opposed to i am
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the king of this world right for you have
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someone on the on a basketball team they say
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i am a great players raven insane i
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am the great player right like
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just saying that one article makes a big
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difference in jesus doesn't mince words he says
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i am the way the truth and the
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lives and and in making that proclamation
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seats that definite article he's saying
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that there is nothing else there's a
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word for saying i am away i am
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a truth i'm allies there's other ways
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and not only does he use it as an article that he doubles
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down by contextualize
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and get in the next and as i am the way the truth
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and life here comes no one
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comes to the father but through mean
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no one will experience paradise but
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through me to be in the father's presence
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is to be in heaven as
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john seventeen tells us this is paradise is
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to know the father and the ones he has
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sent so there is no haven't without jesus
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there is no haven't without near ness to
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jesus jesus himself
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is heaven i i think we probably confuses
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idea lot heaven isn't the place where
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jesus is jesus
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is the place where seven is couldn't
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think about that and it might seem kind
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of like over dogma ties dork splitting
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hairs but it's not splitting hairs seven isn't
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the place where jesus lives either
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the place where heaven is it
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was all the fullness in the power and
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the glory in the joy and the fun
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and the paradise that comes with everlasting
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life is not because god me this really cool
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place never one small you'll see jesus walking round
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all of the joy and the known in this
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and the love in the comfort in the peace
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and the joy in the frivolity and that the
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deep sense of belonging of heaven
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is not because god made a really neat place that
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we as humans are going experience it's because
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that place is near jesus
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said jesus is what makes
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have been worth wanting to go to and
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while that might be difficult for us to understand i can
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just assure you haven't without jesus
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will be held because whatever
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news is where god exist and such
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when jesus as no one comes the father but through
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me to be in the father's presence is
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heaven itself so that the islam idea of
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of paradise outside of being with jesus
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is the foreign concept to
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the gospel it's just not there the
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for the only exclusive claim that jesus
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makes he says again and again that that
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he and the father are one he doubled down
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on the old testament belief systems that
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there is no god but but yeah way
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and then that's siro israel the lord our god
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the lord as one would obviously cancel out every
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polytheistic religion into some people would say
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will it leaves and taxes and judaism
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and islam because they both also
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believe in monotheism yes
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but the difference is more
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important than what's the same the
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difference is what separates
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the believer in the safe in the non save not
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what we have in common it's like saying that
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because demons believe
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that jesus is the son
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of god dion across and raised
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again from death that they will be signal from the
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bible makes it clear that the demons believe in
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jesus and they tremble their seven appropriate
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fear of god which is
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far more than a lot of proclaimed christians
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have but it's not what we have in common
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with demons that is gonna get us
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into heaven it's it's what we have unique
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from demons that will get us know have namely
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that we trust in jesus for salvation
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thou way was made for us to
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get back into relationship with
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the father to be reconciled second current inside
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twenty one that jesus became said
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who knew no seen that we as people can become
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his righteousness once again
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it's not what we have in common with belief
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systems that saves us it is
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what is separated that
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makes the claims of jesus exclusive
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there were other people and jesus the day
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and age who claimed to be the savior
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see the the himself julius caesar
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what his birthday was coming up he had a season
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called advent wherever would celebrate
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the birthday of of julius
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caesar and she claimed to be the savior
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that the gods of egypt claim to be
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the ones who made the stars come out
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at night and new made the sunset and come up
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it's not the claim that they made that are similar to
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jesus that made them powerful it's where jesus
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was unique it's where she's actually executed
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these things as where jesus didn't come
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back from the dead it's what is
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different that makes the cross
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of christ you need to all the belief systems
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and that makes our faith in
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jesus the only way
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to heaven jesus also you make
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proclamations in the scriptures one
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person asks in the new testament a book of
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loop will many people be saved his us
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has truly truly tell you narrow
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is the gate by which people
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enter into ever and wide is
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the gay that leads to destruction so when we
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say this idea of all people
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are going to be say if you're talking about one
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point five billion muslims and
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three billion two billion
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whatever the number is proclaimed christians
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we asked understand that jesus made a really strong claim
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their that if you've got mormons
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corn enough that tens of millions
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and you've got muslims who are a
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more than a believe that christians who are
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whatever billion and got catholics and you've got jehovah's
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witnesses at that what you do with that claim that
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the majority of the world is
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religious the vast majority
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of the world is spiritual religious so
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how do we rectify that
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would jesus claim that only a
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few will enter through the narrow
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gate that's not the same thing to
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say universally everyone's gonna be saved his
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to call jesus a liar to say well when you said narrows
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the gate and he said why does the day that we
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the disruption a narrow as to get leads the oven
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i think you are mistaken jesus and we know one thing
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jesus is not mistaken
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for the first reason we can understand that
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it doesn't make sense biblically to save
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that there's more than one way to get to heaven in
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all humility is in we
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would have to look at the teachings of
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jesus and say that he is a liar in
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the claim that he makes have been the truth is revelation
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the the miracle that he performed
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the book of john tells us that that the that was
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validity of his divinity that that this
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is i in the father are one before abraham was
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i am so jesus unites himself
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with the god of the universe the same
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god that the the people
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in the old testament were hoping to praise you
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that when the jews say no
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we worship ya way but we don't worship jesus
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use the same here know you don't understand i
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am one with ya way
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right it's as the angel of the lord
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speaks immodest the burning bush when when
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jews except the story of
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the burning bush and except the miracles of
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the old testament where jesus the
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pre incarnate christ shows up but he rejected
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jesus they're actually not
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praying to the same gabi prayed to because our
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god as inseparably try you the
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godhead father son and holy spirit
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to only believe in the
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father and what he has done and reject
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the other two is to altogether myth the
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try unity of god right
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it's not to say the same thing so in
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a very real way even though you use
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the word yahweh i imagine if someone came up to
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me and they're like chris we
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love you i'm like oh really
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wow okay that's neat how
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do i know you know it oh yeah we we
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know your wife sarah and
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we know that you have your twelve kids
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that we've loved your ministry of ethiopia
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and we know that you love cats
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and we know that you're really into like
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a t a's and you really yellow year i
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would you do not go yeah
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outside of my name none of
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the rest of that was true
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and so they started seeing of my attributes are
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singing of what i love to discern worshipping
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which would be obviously completely
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heretical to do because i am neither divine are worthy
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of the least bit of worship because i'm an idiot and
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a dumpster fire but that's beside the point
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you can understand the analogy there were
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a would be really easy to go oh yeah you know talking
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about me so it's easy to
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say that while we use the same word are we even
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derive our basic concept of monotheism
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from the old testament both that the
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jew and the and the muslim
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and christian a light we are not praying
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to or worse been the same dot the
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very nature of who he is we believe
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is very different from one another and so
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i don't think that the better question
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i think to ask isn't are we worshipping
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the same god the better question is are
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we all pleasing to god is
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our worship please into got his got accepting
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all of the worship of all three of them equally
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than the answer that is unequivocally no it's
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not just our are empty
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singing and praising that makes
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us saved it is the communal
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relationship it's dad responding to
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our worship or that's that he accepts or
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worship as worship when
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a nonbeliever sings worship
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songs does god receive it in
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glory know that person is
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lying that person is a false beliefs
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it is not receive is what the old testament says
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it's the the prayers of a righteous man
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or heard the worship of the redeemed
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is like a pleasing aroma in
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the nose of god it's not just anything
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it's a certain thing is through the cross of crisis
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through the lens of being his children that's
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why that's the old testament says that the all
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of our works are like are pile of dirty rags
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before god but when we are in christ and
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the spirit works through us then all then sudden
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or work as his children his pleasing to
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us is pleasing your site overboard
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and that's what the book of some sort teaches us
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to self the lesser question is
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do we all wish the same got the more important
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question because our salvation
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doesn't come from how eagerly or
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house sincerely we worship but
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the real truth of worship comes from his
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are worshipping received by the creative the
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universe the throw out
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songs into the easter is
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of no importance the question is is
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that worship reaching the ear
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and the heart of the the universe
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and so when you ask the question reverse not do
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we are worship the same god but does god receive
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all worship the worship god
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receive all worship equally know that
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only receives worship that is true what is
20:11
the new testament say in the book of john chapter
20:14
four and i'm robin for me but i think this is it p
20:16
zoc as a woman the well and she says sure
20:18
we worship on this now under that now nurse we worship
20:20
here there and you the says i tell you the
20:22
truth the time is coming as now come with a true
20:24
or spurs knocking worse when this mountain or that know that
20:26
is irrelevant because
20:28
the to worshippers will worship in spirit
20:31
and in truth that
20:33
means understanding both that
20:36
we are worshipping out of a redemption
20:38
of a godsend for profitable worshipping a
20:41
true understanding of who got is that
20:43
all plays into it so jesus makes a credit
20:45
only one way that's the first points the second thing
20:47
is that true says rules to
20:49
it and the idea of universalism
20:51
breaks many of the fundamental rules of truth
20:54
so the number one point they were making the number one
20:56
reason why there can't be more than one way as see the
20:58
said there's not more than one way which should
21:00
be sufficient but for a lot of us we might want to dive
21:02
a little bit deeper and that's a theological point
21:04
there were making and maybe for talking to add to
21:06
a muslim we wanna make a different point or
21:09
talking to our mormon friends and say what here's
21:11
why these things are different than the funny
21:13
thing is that the truth as rules and universalism
21:15
or the idea that all paths lead to god breaks
21:18
many of them and consider probably
21:20
the most basic rule of truth
21:22
and that is the rule of non contradiction
21:24
that a and not a can't
21:27
be true at the same time i can't
21:29
solve a sandwich in front of me
21:31
and also not have a sandwich in front of me at the same
21:33
time he was you can't equal
21:35
for and but two plus
21:37
two of so doesn't equal for the same time
21:39
that is called the rule of non contradicts and it's
21:41
the basis of all logic it's are we
21:44
interact with each other it's how we prove people wrong
21:46
in court it's why alibis are important
21:48
you can't both be that position a
21:50
and not at position eight the same time you
21:53
can be at the crime scene and some ross the same
21:55
time so an alibi is able to
21:57
and a lot of ways free someone of guilt or
21:59
can the them because
22:01
the rule non contradiction applies and then
22:04
in and co exist or the universal
22:06
principles edwin being said could work if
22:08
all belief systems like the old
22:10
indian proverb that all belief
22:12
systems are like part of an elephant's you
22:14
know and and the muslim is grabbing
22:17
the trunk of the elephant dot is such a massive
22:19
creature that each of our different beliefs and only
22:21
understand the part of who he is
22:23
and and so the muslim grabs the trunk of the elephant
22:26
and says god is like a row got
22:28
it like a hose you know and and the christians
22:30
are all grasping the foot of the elephant gun no
22:32
no no no you're wrong god is like a stump
22:35
as we grabbed the football were blindfolded we can't
22:37
see the full picture weren't a dark room and
22:39
each of us as grasping at this massive elephant
22:41
that is god and as we grab the elephants
22:44
voice and oh god and like a tree or
22:46
mormon friends at the back of the elephant grab the
22:48
elephants tells a winner got is like a rope and
22:50
and then are jehovah's witnesses friends grub
22:52
the ear and say no god is like paper god
22:54
is like this thing parchment and
22:57
so a lot of time secularism or universalism
22:59
looks at us in a dark room blindfolded
23:02
goes you fools country to see
23:04
your all touching the same god you to see
23:06
it differently and it makes a bunch of
23:08
critical errors in judgment and
23:10
in and in truth and and the first one
23:12
being you're still that argument
23:15
still the poses
23:17
it's on the ball that there's actually belief system as a policy
23:20
all that and understand that we're all grasping at one
23:22
part of it which is a remarkably
23:25
arrogant claim because person a
23:27
is not religious the one watching they're
23:29
not victim to understanding
23:31
god only partially and and if we just
23:33
weren't religious we could see that all religious belief systems
23:36
are the same which is claimed that he religious
23:38
people are somehow superior
23:40
intellectually superior on and perspective
23:42
to christians or muslims or jews
23:45
or whatever it is and that and again that's just
23:47
so horribly urgent claim lubbock
23:49
way anything except for the idea that
23:51
really people have are less than
23:53
in the way that they say the second thing
23:56
to understand when it comes the road non contradiction
23:58
is if you just sick of the of jesus
24:01
and this is like every time a mormon or
24:03
a person the church and discuss leather seats
24:05
comes to my door let it break
24:08
and i probably shouldn't but i really love it
24:10
because i see doesn't exist as a moment
24:12
to evangelize and you've got these young twenty somethings
24:14
that are on their mission and car lease
24:17
or they passionate about what they're doing but
24:19
she's are they misinformed and are
24:22
they under informed even about basic christian
24:24
teachings and i'm kind
24:26
of blacklisted now because i feel
24:28
like even when like asked fundamental questions
24:30
there's just no real answer to it so
24:33
just sick the person of jesus and for
24:35
the christian jesus christian jesus christ god
24:37
of the universe john chapter one in the beginning
24:39
was the word numbers with gotten the word was god
24:42
if you take that the watch tower
24:44
and the new world translation from jehovah's
24:46
witness the actually change that verse in
24:48
the original greek it it to use the word taunt
24:51
the on in the in the beginning was
24:53
the word and the word as with gotten the word was
24:56
god he was god it in
24:58
their bible they actually read translate
25:00
and in the beginning there was this word
25:03
in this word was a god there would actually
25:05
change the original greek and they've actually gotten
25:07
in big trouble for this because charles taste russell the
25:09
guy who founded the religion doesn't understand
25:11
greek he couldn't even tell the greek alphabet to a
25:14
bunch of litigators that were and that he was on
25:16
trial he was on trial for forgery
25:18
but anyways this into here nor there that's a whole different
25:20
podcast but anyway you
25:23
see the person of jesus in john chapter
25:25
once in the beginning was the word in the words
25:27
with gotten the word was god he was with gotten the beginning
25:29
through jesus all things were made him without
25:31
him nothing is made that has come into existence self
25:34
in the very first chapter of john these
25:36
are incredibly exclusive
25:38
claimed that jesus and the father
25:41
the rebuild the old testament or one in the same
25:43
jesus as i in the father are one
25:46
he is the only special begotten son
25:48
of the father but she is do all
25:51
the deity and all of the worship that claassens
25:53
one tells us he is the fullness he is the
25:55
tareq tear he is the icon he
25:57
is the perfect image of the
25:59
fall the to us through in
26:01
christian leaders of the god of the universe who died
26:03
and across and rose again from the dead to pay
26:06
the to pay the ransom for our sins to
26:08
undertake the punishment for our sins
26:10
and we believe that and that's core doctrine
26:13
you can't be christian and not believe
26:15
that so let me ask the question some
26:17
mormons were gonna be like will believe in the same jesus but
26:19
it's it's kind of an analogy use before you would use the
26:21
same name we don't mean the same thing if i told
26:23
you i had a friend named jesus
26:25
and i believe he was the god of the universe that and across
26:27
rose again and he paid
26:29
the price that i deserved
26:31
to pay through his death barrel resurrection
26:34
and you said oh you're jesus yep you know i know him
26:36
in mormon theology jesus as a created been
26:39
he's created by one of an
26:41
infinite number of god's throughout
26:43
all of existence he doesn't have the power to create
26:46
x knee hilo god doesn't have the power to create
26:48
out of nothing that all matter is pre-existing
26:50
the matter and all that the god of the universe can actually
26:52
do as reform matter
26:54
and he can reconstitute things into different
26:57
things but he actually can't create out of
26:59
nothing that jesus taught him across the help
27:01
us as long as we're doing good work to
27:03
get to heaven after all we can do god does
27:05
the rest of the work but jesus his brother
27:07
is satan and they actually come
27:10
from their heavenly father who
27:12
used to be a man and comes from
27:14
a a star near the a planet called
27:16
kolob and we just start going wait
27:18
no no no no no you say jesus we see jesus
27:20
but we do not mean the same thing and just in the
27:22
core doctrine is jesus
27:24
the exclusive and only god
27:26
of the universe there
27:28
are no other gods before me that's what the the
27:30
old testament says and in the psalms there
27:33
is no god form before me indo north as or
27:35
inner god after meets we believe that as
27:37
christians mormons believe that there's an infinite
27:39
multitude of god's both been form before
27:41
and being formed after in jesus
27:43
is just one of a manifestation
27:46
of heavenly father who was
27:48
a gotten this planet but we all have the
27:50
about the power to become gods
27:52
in ourselves and our god it used
27:54
to be a man just like us what
27:56
that's not the same thing at all and so the rule of non
27:58
contradiction says
27:59
jesus the exclusive lot of the
28:02
universe was created all things
28:04
acne he low for it is a created
28:06
being son of satan who was
28:09
part of the creation of heavenly father
28:12
does not contradiction you can't believe both of those
28:14
things and those are both core doctrines to the beliefs
28:17
in islam jesus in really dinah cross buy
28:19
a lookalike was brought in last minute be crucified
28:22
oh gets will our core doctrine teaches that it
28:24
was jesus christ himself who was killed
28:26
buried and resurrected and the the core
28:28
beliefs islam is jesus didn't really down the cross
28:31
but a look like was brought in and he was
28:33
crucified okay so which one of those
28:35
it's true you keep those two ideas don't
28:37
co exist it's they're mutually exclusive
28:39
one another atheism
28:42
a guy named jesus died in the cross and stayed dead
28:44
the end the jehovah's
28:46
witness jesus was the son of god
28:48
but not god himself but
28:50
the archangel michael and was and lesser
28:53
god though mighty the only
28:55
rose spiritually but not bottle easy in
28:57
just those belief systems
28:59
christianity mormonism is lot atheism
29:02
and jehovah's witness we we have second
29:04
week disagreement on our fundamental core doctrine
29:07
so not only point number one diseases make it clear
29:09
that he is the only way luckily
29:12
truth necessitates that
29:14
in most these cases especially christianity
29:17
if christianity is true it exclusively
29:19
is true i guess other belief systems
29:22
that would permit more than one being true
29:24
or at least ideologies right like in
29:27
buddhism i don't think there's necessarily a claim
29:29
that you must exclusively at a minute a lotta different
29:31
aeration the buddhism but it doesn't claim
29:33
that you have three it's more of an ideology
29:35
move a way of living so it could rationally
29:38
be said that someone is an atheist
29:40
but they practice all of the precepts
29:43
of the buddha break those things are exclusive
29:45
you can be a buddhist who believes in these different things
29:47
the also not only that there is a god because it's
29:49
just the belief system you could be a taoist to
29:51
also christianity doesn't
29:54
if you believe in the precepts
29:56
and the teaches of scripture you also believe
29:59
that there's only
29:59
one way to god and it's backed up by
30:02
by the simple rule logic the rule of non contradiction
30:05
third
30:06
the personal use made it clear cruz
30:08
has rules universalism break them
30:11
and three if there was
30:13
more than one way to god it actually ruins
30:16
the character of god what i mean by the character of
30:18
god first john forever seven and a therefore beloved
30:20
let us love one another for love comes from god and anyone
30:22
that loves his point of got a nose gun if you do not
30:24
love you do not know god because god is
30:27
love than the old testament and the book of
30:29
exodus chapter thirty three and thirty four
30:31
when god reveals himself to moses
30:34
he passes by and then he whispers and
30:36
through his whisper becomes a powerful movement
30:39
and it it says the glory of god has revealed
30:41
and then moses here's you always
30:43
say the lord the lord compassionate
30:46
this compassionate god but also
30:49
not unwilling to punish people for the
30:51
sins of their father to the third and fourth generation
30:53
and in and so god reveals himself and
30:55
then through the person of christ but you can't hebrew says
30:57
is the perfect iteration of the character
31:00
of the father they're not to different people god didn't
31:02
get nicer in the new testament jesus
31:04
is the perfect character of the unchanging
31:07
god of the old testament it
31:09
says this is says that jesus
31:12
teacher the precepts of
31:14
kindness and love end for
31:16
sure he stands hard on truth and then
31:18
and he makes it clear what is right and why would
31:20
sees us so boldly claim
31:23
that there's only one one way to gotta it's it's not
31:25
because he's mean it's because he loves imagine
31:27
us all and of in a room that's burning down
31:30
and you had and pass by which
31:32
you knew the way out but
31:34
the only path out was actually to kill
31:37
the first year of your only beloved
31:39
son the new set up there and
31:41
you knew that there was one and only what
31:43
one way out of the stream all the of the doors were locked
31:45
and we couldn't get out and then you revealed
31:47
the to all of mankind of the only way out is to the death
31:49
of your son and then you willingly gave up your
31:52
son to be killed and or that all
31:54
might escape that absolute
31:56
broken this and that torture of
31:58
the pain of being burned
32:00
and been killed what would be the character
32:03
of the man that said i know the way
32:06
i know there's only one way you can try all these doors
32:08
if you want you but there's only one way
32:10
out if you try to to the doors you're gonna
32:12
find that they're all lock and it's gonna lead to destruction
32:14
but before the path it's made
32:16
by the death of my son then you will
32:19
be saved we would consider that gotta be
32:21
very loving tips and the truth that he
32:23
gave us even though we would go like was how could
32:25
you say that all we the doors are locked and
32:27
jesus saying i'm pleading with you if
32:29
you try to do something else it's
32:32
not the work follow me if
32:34
anyone wants that to follow to be
32:36
saved he must deny himself he comes cross and
32:38
follow me this is what god says
32:41
mussina her the problem if all the
32:43
other doors were actually open then
32:45
god sacrificing his son in the cross
32:47
to make just another way to have in
32:50
would take away gods character of being
32:52
loving compassionate gentle
32:55
and forth self control is
32:58
loving kindness is revealed nature
33:00
to us of being this father figure
33:03
you see if god killed his son
33:06
just to make one more way so that
33:08
he could have a new belief system but buddhism
33:10
would have done mormonism would have done islam
33:13
would have done being a good person
33:15
would have been just fine if we all
33:17
just tried to be nicer to each other we would have been saved
33:19
susie he's innocent i'm saying if all
33:22
of those were ways to get to heaven
33:24
then if if god sacrifices jesus and the
33:26
cross see he isn't the loving the the
33:28
would actually ruin his character we would
33:30
among that is a sadist a god who
33:32
just out there to to murder
33:35
his child so that
33:37
we could have a nother route see
33:40
the only way out of that burning building was to
33:42
his son the mood look at him he would say thank you so
33:44
much for telling us the truth that if we follow the
33:46
other doors it would have led to our destruction and thank
33:48
you for this sacrifice of your son
33:50
creating the only way out in the only
33:52
way to be saved but
33:55
if that man starts laughing and he goes now
33:57
as as kid know those doors are open mormonism
33:59
was been a la mano been judaism
34:02
was open those all the doors were open is
34:04
a sacrifice my son is i just thought couldn't
34:07
we use one more way the
34:09
actually abolishes his character his
34:11
character of love his character of gentleness
34:13
and kindness is even his character have
34:15
been brilliant of being creative
34:18
of being of sound mind
34:20
of of being a comfort in a piece
34:22
in times of trouble he would become something
34:25
entirely different so those
34:27
are three points to mates in conclusion
34:29
to say as someone asks us and again
34:31
it this is what our kids are going to ask us as americans
34:33
are going to face and this is what and lot of us are
34:35
have the answer even in our own homes got
34:38
it for it or data if god really loves
34:40
us and we are trying to seek after
34:42
we use of the wrong idea is it really that big
34:44
of really deal is it really that big of really deal that my friends
34:46
believe this even though that were christians
34:49
and their mormons their it doesn't really make that big of make difference
34:51
big think the answers unequivocally yes and
34:53
more society wants to tell us of there's no
34:55
true difference we look at the bible we
34:57
find that jesus makes it clear there's only one way
35:00
that's to say there's more them away actually break
35:02
some was every rule of non contradiction possible
35:05
and it makes it logically to hear to
35:07
thirdly it abolish the character of
35:09
god which
35:10
that our whole belief system is based on
35:12
that he is compassionate and loving
35:15
forth with and that he tells the truth
35:17
in that he's not a liar he is not crazy is
35:19
not perverse in his nature you're not a sadist
35:22
he doesn't want says with the bumps he does he did not
35:24
desire
35:24
that all men would got would move to destruction with that
35:26
they would be saved through his son
35:29
and we understand those simple principles and we
35:31
do so with humility and respect as the bible
35:33
talks to us about and the new testament in
35:35
first peter chapter three when we when we practice
35:37
those principles rightly
35:40
and we do so in a way that is when some i think we
35:42
can still stand in our culture
35:44
with all the truth of the scriptures
35:46
in hand and still do so in a way
35:49
that is able to intrigue the
35:51
hearts and minds of those around us and
35:53
to be sure there's people living in our churches
35:55
maybe even living in our homes or sitting
35:57
beside us and our bible study who truly believe
36:00
the all people worship the same god and
36:02
i think the only way to truly loved them
36:04
is to look at them with all the gentleness scripture
36:06
causes happened to say had i don't
36:08
think that's actually true let me give you in
36:10
all humility
36:12
the reasons why she's made it
36:14
clear truth has rules
36:16
and that goes against the character of god the
36:18
discussion was hopeful for you were said
36:21
to hear some of your feedback or if is another way that
36:23
that is conversation can be helpful for you or
36:25
or followup questions but as always
36:28
we hear that third love you guys and in a way
36:30
we can equip you with more than happy to do so
36:32
so keep interacting with us ask your questions
36:35
and unless i can serve you better
36:40
hey guys hope that episode
36:42
was hopeful for you on your journey of becoming more
36:44
like jesus and helping your family do the same as
36:47
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