Jesse Hora is an illustrator, muralist, designer and partner at MAKE & Co., a small but mighty husband-and-wife studio specializing in branding, creative direction, graphic design and mural design. He and designer, Abigail Wynne focus on making beautiful and insightful work for premium and authentic brands. If you've spent anytime in a cool Chicago spot, there's a good chance, you've enjoyed a MAKE & Co. mural.

Jesse is dad to his 3-year-old daughter and 3-month-old son.

In this episode, Jesse recounts how his father's custom paint shop and motorcycle restoration work proved to him art and craft could feed a family of ten. We talk about the supernatural power infants have to melt hearts, soften the toughest of men, and bringing estranged family closer together. And we talk about why it took over two years for him to make the case to his wife that they were ready to launch their own studio. Jesse also shares how bi-monthly drinks with a few trusted dads might be all the parenting therapy any of us needs. Finally, Jesse and I discuss how nothing should be out-of-bounds for fathers—especially pirouettes with pre-K ballerinas.

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