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That's totally fair If I'm gonna .
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That's totally fair . I'm gonna demand God come down telling
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I have six kids and some . I can say yeah , jesus , come down
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, show me your real I have to
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if . I'm gonna live in that absurdity . I gotta stick with it . At
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least you're consistent consistent yeah .
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All right you should be recording . Yeah
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, so now we have an own record for whenever Blake actually
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does get married . We'll have all this kidding I
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was kidding .
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I'll have as many kids as God allows , just
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more than three .
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We are going to talk about Halloween
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today , but as Just in the moments
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before I hit record , I've
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been informed that I'm pronouncing
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it wrong , so it's not Halloween
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. What ? What do y'all say ? Halloween
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, halloween , hell Halloween
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, halloween , halloween . So Number
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one no , that's a terrible pronunciation
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. Number two , you're
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wrong . Anyway , so we're gonna talk about Halloween
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from a Christian perspective . Should
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Christian celebrate it ? What are the thoughts
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here ? I'm gonna go ahead and introduce everyone
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. My name is Nate . We have Blake , justin
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, isaac , mackenzie , chloe
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and Zeke , so just
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about the whole crew here . So
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we're gonna talk about Halloween now
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and then in a bit will move to aliens
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. It'll be kind of like a special
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but anyways . I'll open it
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up to the floor . Halloween
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should Christian celebrate it
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. Is it of the devil . Does it mean you're a terrible
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person ? If you do so , is it okay
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, justin ?
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What do you think ? So one thing that I would like
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to say is I think I can't
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remember the name of the song that says it , but the line
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says you take what the enemy meant
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for evil and you use it for good . You
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will probably know it , blake . Why'd you slap me so
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hard ?
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Sorry , I did me too , for you'll probably
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because we're not doing video , I'll just give a play-by-play
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. Justin violently hit
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Blake absolutely , and he only completely
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deserved it .
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All right , that song is a .
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Yes .
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You what bothering me now ?
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It's bothering . Yeah , what is it ?
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It's not , you're a good , good father .
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Well in the meantime , it's a
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big old song by Jesus . That's what you got now
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, okay , buddy , but I
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think that what you can do is a similar victory
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.
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See me , I'm gonna see yeah , that's what there
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we go . Yeah , but uh , don't let me sing
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.
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We're gonna make that like the intro music , yeah
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we don't do that .
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But either way about it , don't do
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it , blake , we love you .
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You have so much to look for .
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I'm like I think that you
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can do similar , because people don't
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realize that Christmas is actually
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. It was originally a pagan holiday called
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Saturnalia . How do you know that ? Because
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it's this workly proven . Where'd you get that
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from ? I'm not gonna
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settle my son . Are you saying you don't ? Like
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the birth of Jesus , he was oh no , I love
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the birth of Jesus . Do
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what ?
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it's actually so . I'm not certainly . So
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now , is Christmas .
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That's what . That's what I'm saying . Oh , oh
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, no , no , no , I'm using this as an example
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, but that is true . But
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we take Saturnalia
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, which was the original Christmas
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thing that Catholics helped to turn
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into that . Well , actually it was . It was just Christians
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back in the day , because it was Roman celebrations said
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celebrating the God , saturn , but
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they turned
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that from this pagan holiday
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into Something that
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you could use for good for the name
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of Christ . So I think that
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we can take Halloween , which has this
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bad connotation to it , and turn it
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into something good .
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What you're saying is because Catholics did , we can
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do it , justin .
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I think the yes , I think the bigger thing that we're asking . So
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if we can take something bad and just say
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, turn it for the name
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of Christ so I can own a strip
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club , but if
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I find a way to work Jesus into it I can
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own it , yes , absolutely .
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I turn this bad thing for a good thing . Is that where you're trying to say Blake
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wants a strip club ? Any any
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other thoughts there about Halloween
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?
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So the song
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that you're referring to don't think it applies
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in the sense , because it's talking
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about like Evil in
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the world and God is turning that for good
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. You like when people wanting Jesus to die and
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like when Joseph was sold and sleep , stuff like
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that . But you have a point where
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God can take evil things to turn for good
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. With Christmas it's a little different , because
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Christmas we are
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not celebrating Saturnalia
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or whatever . We're celebrating the birth of Christ . With
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Halloween , we're no one's changing
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anything . We're still celebrating Halloween
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, the same way that the world is celebrating Halloween . They're still
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haunted houses , they're still dressed up , there's still all these things
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. So you can say , yeah , we can turn it for good
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, but that's if you actually Turn
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it for something else .
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You know that there are things like Christian haunted
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houses , right , sometimes called hell houses
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, which leads you through a depiction
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of hell , going through several different
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sins and at the end you
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come to God .
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Speaking of which , have any of y'all been different
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names for it ? I've heard of judgment house , mm-hmm
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. Have any of y'all been to one of those ? Yeah ? What
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was it like .
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It was weird Was it scary . It
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was . It was just kind of weird
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. I don't know if it was really scary . It was just
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like you went through this , you
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went through hell , obviously , and then you get to heaven .
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But that just
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seems weird it was weird part . That's
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weird .
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I think it's one of those things that , like Christians
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try to be , like
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, try to make a market for themselves , but they
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don't realize that they don't have like the creative
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Ability to do it
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. Like you see like a lot of Christian movies they're like really
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cringe , but like , and now lately
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we've kind of caught on . We're like , hey , here's how
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you actually make good TV shows and movies and
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here's how you can do it Well as a Christian see
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, I think there are just some things that we just don't
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need to turn Christian just simply because there's .
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There's no way like death metal . There's
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just the whole thing about death metal
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is to be like to
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sound as gross and demonic as you possibly can
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. That's literally like the whole and that's not
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and that's not me like being a knot . This is , I'm a death
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metal list like I listen to death metal , so that's
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not just coming out of ignorance , but not anymore
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used to , though , back in the day .
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So I'm with Justin on this thing
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. So Halloween I looked into this a little
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bit ago , but Halloween started
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as like a Celtic holiday and
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it was pagan and then . Celtic , celtic
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, whatever the Boston . Celtic
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, boston Celtic and then the
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, the Catholic Church or
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someone in it , one of the Saints wanted
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to change it to for
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to all Hallows
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Day , which means all Saints Day . That's where we get Halloween
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from . So instead
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of doing the things that the pagans would do , they
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would take the day and they would celebrate martyrs
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and stuff like that , like they would celebrate
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the Saints . That I
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don't see anything wrong with that . But
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if you want to join in with
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the things of the world and
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say , oh well , we're just Christian
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, christianizing it or whatever , but you're still doing
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the things of the world , I don't see that as changing
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anything . I don't see that as good . It's like light
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and darkness . They shouldn't mix , chloe
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.
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My opinion is basically it's
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fine for Christians to celebrate Halloween within
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a certain boundary , like there's
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nothing inherently wrong with things
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like candy or going trick-or-treating or
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having a chunk or treat . There's nothing wrong with
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those things . If you take those things
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and take Halloween out of it completely
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, there's nothing sinful or wrong
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about that . But if you're one of those people that
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love spooky things , you
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I don't know maybe even worship the
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devil , I don't know . Some people are like that . But
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if you put all your
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I don't know pride into those things
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, then that's where it starts to get a little
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bad .
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Do you mean like idolatry , worship of
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it , like making an idol ?
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Yeah , like there's just some people I know
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. There's just some people I know that are very
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like . They just love every
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time Halloween comes around because they can do
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all of these just really scary
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things and basically worship
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the devil .
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So I think
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Halloween I
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don't think Christians should celebrate it
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, because I do think inherently it begins
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with this like demonic
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, like rooted and you know scary
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stuff and blood and
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all that kind of ghost and haunted
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houses and everything like that . But then I'm also
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torn because I'm like the kids are so cute , they
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dress up , they go to trunk or treats like it's
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sweet . I think it's innocent , but
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I think as Christians maybe we
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just need to not celebrate it
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at all and have a talk with our children
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like it's fun , but also
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it's it's worldly , because
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when they grow up they still will be like
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, well , it's just Halloween and it just kind of opens
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that door , you know , because when they're
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cute little kids and they just want candy
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, it's so sweet . But then they grow up and they're
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like , well , I just want to be a
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witch this year or I just
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want to be , you know , something that
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kind of just is a gateway . So it's
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hard because I love giving out candy
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and I love seeing the cute little
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costumes , but the same time
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I don't know if we necessarily should partake
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in it .
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Let me ask the group this Do
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you all think that if a
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kid let's take out , let's say you don't allow your
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kid to dress up as a witch or a demon , I would be opposed
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to that ? Just cause kind of similar reason
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as you ? I just think it's not
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healthy , at the very least , and
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that it could potentially other things later
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. For large majority kids maybe not
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, but I don't think it's wise nonetheless , but
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for y'all . Y'all think that what
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Chloe was saying ? Like if it was any
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other day of the year let's say it's July
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20th and kids
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are out getting candy for
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free and dressing up as superheroes would there
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be anything sinful about that if we did that
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along ?
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I don't think so .
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I don't think so . I don't see how it would I
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see .
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Don't skip ahead . I'm just asking for that day .
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I'm not sure , but
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that's the whole point , the
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context of it being around Halloween , like
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if that stuff is okay on any
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other day then
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that's okay , but it's the fact that it's in
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the context of Halloween that's what makes
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it we shouldn't celebrate Halloween , because it's that
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that's the day so , even
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if these things inherently aren't bad
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, and on another day the reason
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that it's like tied into
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this whole Halloween evil
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, all this stuff , it's kind of
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where I see it Okay so part
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of it's the the time frame October
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31st .
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Now what if Isaac
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and Mackenzie , what if it was like
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a church event that was
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more of like a cookout get together
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on October 31st
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or that weekend for
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community purposes ? Would you still
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not be as big of a fan because it's around
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that holiday , like ? What do
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you think about someone trying to maybe go in the
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middle somewhere ?
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I think fall festivals
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are like a good different thing
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, like maybe just celebrating the time of year
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the season changed , like still having that
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good comfort , food gathering
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, having you know
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good conversations and stuff , and just
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kind of like redirecting it . I still
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just don't . I mean , I just think there's a
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line and maybe we shouldn't get as close
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to it as possible , but maybe as far
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as possible . Just you know why
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not ? Why take that risk ? If
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that makes sense .
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Yeah , I would be
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. I would agree with that . I would . I
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would rather have Christians in the church
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, with the church , in
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community , than out possibly
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partaking in worldly things . So
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I would be all for that if , like , churches
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were like you know what ? This Halloween
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, it's a day that's seen as
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there's demonic things going on
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, there's worship of other things
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. Like we don't want to partake in this , so let's
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separate ourselves and do something
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for us . Like everybody wants to celebrate something
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, just celebrate
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like , like the Catholic Church , they did all
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Halloween or whatever for the Saints . I
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don't see anything wrong with that . I think that would be great .
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Okay , one last thing . I don't think this is a salvation
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if you know the issue . If you choose to celebrate
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Halloween , like you
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know , it's not that big of a
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deal . I don't think . But at
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the same time I do think we're called
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to be different , even when it's
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and it is uncomfortable because you
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know , you see the little kids like you just want them to be
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in their little cute costume , but at the same
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time it's like we need to be sober-minded
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and awake and realize that it can be a
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gateway into something darker
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.
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Yeah , I was six and seven . It's not . It wouldn't become a salvation
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issue until you took it far
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, if that makes sense . But like you said
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, it's just kind of like a responsibility thing , Like you gotta
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kind of walk the line with it .
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What would you say ? Is that too far
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line ?
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Probably if you dressed up as Jesus and
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yeah , of course , that'd probably a little too far
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. Maybe if you dressed up like a drag nun , that'd
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be a little too far .
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So , justin , I was going to pass to
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you for a moment . So we've kind of heard
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those who might shy away from the holiday
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. You , in the beginning
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, seem to be more for , like
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it's okay . You know , we kind of kind of fashion
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it towards more of a Christian direction
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. So my question to you is
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would there be any limitations
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? Or Halloween in its full
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form , it's okay ?
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So I can agree . Personally
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, I think there are some horror
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movies you can stick away from . I
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don't think everything scary is demonic
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. I'd entirely disagree with that . But
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I can say things like children
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not dressing up as like a
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witch or something like that . I can totally agree
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with that . The Jesus thing , like obviously
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I think you need to be careful with that
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. I think there are
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times for it like when they made the show the Chosen
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, how he's playing Jesus but he tries to play it
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as accurately as he possibly can to
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be a basically a form of
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just letting people see the media and letting
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people see God in a different
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way . But I
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would say I like the Fall Festival
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idea , stuff like that , instead
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of like obviously you don't want kids to see a bunch
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of scary stuff and blood and stuff like that
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. I can totally agree with that . Doing a Fall
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Festival for children where they can go out
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and go around and do stuff or a
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trunk or treat or something like that . I think it's perfectly
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fine . I don't really
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see if you can take a day and turn it for something
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good . I still don't see the problem with that . Yeah .
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So here's some of my thoughts , kind
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of going around . Everything we've said is I see it
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as more of a wisdom . Like
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we've said , it's not a salvation issue
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, obviously , unless you go very far with it
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, and then I become a little bit more concerned . But
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I see it as more of a wisdom issue
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. Take , for example , when Paul's talking to I think
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it was Corinthians , where he's talking to people and he was
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, people were saying like , hey , these people
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, they're eating meat that was sold to idols
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. And he's like , okay , that's not a big
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deal , but if it's going to make them stumble
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, then don't do it around them . So not
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saying that , hey , it's not , it's a good thing that serve
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to . He's not saying , go sacrifice
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meat to idols . But he's saying like , look , those things aren't real
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. It's okay , you're made free and crossed
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, so it's not something we should really punish
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people or say , hey , you're not a Christian because you
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did this or that , but as ourselves , we should
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look at it with a lens of you know what . Maybe some
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of this is unhealthy , maybe we should change some of
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it to where it's not . You know , dressing up like witches
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and ghouls and etc . Etc . Or maybe
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we have something different , event like a fall festival
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. I also see the good in it in the sense
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of as Christians , our
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main goal is to spread the gospel , and
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typically that looks like us going to people
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and having to reach out to them and find them where they're at
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. Halloween is one day of the year God
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sends everyone to us . I see that
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as a great opportunity to evangelize the people . Yeah
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, and Isaac's put in a face on
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, so he obviously has something to say about it .
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Isaac , any any thoughts about that ? Zeke's
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kind of put you on the spot .
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How many times have you seen people
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come to a church
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on Halloween to
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hear their gospel ? Like how many times
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is it ? People like , oh yeah , well
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, this is Halloween , we're going to go to a church , and the church is like
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this is our , this is our moment . Or
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is it mostly just trunk or
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treats where it's like , hey , we're just going
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to join in in the celebrations , here's your candy
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. I know you're dressed up as a demon , but here you go
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, like kind of thing .
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So you're saying that we shouldn't outreach to people
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when they come to us ? No , I'm saying we shouldn't look like
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the world , but we're supposed to be in the world
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but not the other world .
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How do ?
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you do that . Do you retreat into
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your , into your basement , and then just celebrate
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by yourself , or do you go out with to the world ?
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No , you can go out to the world and not look like the world
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.
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So how do we do ?
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things of the world , if you went , if there
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was , if they were having a party at
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a fraternity . Let's say you're in college , they're having a party at
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a fraternity , or whatever . Do you go and get drunk ? Willem
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say well . I can go , get drunk and have fun and
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party , and , and then I'll spread the gospel
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and share the news . Or do you say no
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? How about let's talk to them when they're going in
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, or talk to them when they're coming out , when they sober up ? Let's
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let's try to steer them away from
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this .
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I think it's more of meeting the person where
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they're at , and I don't think that means we go
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, do the things they do . I agree with you . I don't think we
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act the way they do , that we dress the way they do
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, that we do these things that we've all most of us
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agreed . We just I don't think it'd be wise to do that
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, but I think it's we do what Jesus
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is . We meet people where they're at . Take the woman
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at the well . He met her where she was at after five
17:44
marriages and he called her out for her . He didn't
17:46
shy away from it , but he met her where she was
17:48
and then used her situation to make
17:50
known to her that it's through him and him alone
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that she can be saved and that she can have fulfillment in her
17:55
life , not through these marriages that she's been going
17:57
through . So , to bring it back to Halloween
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, I think a healthy way . I don't have a problem with
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churches doing trunk retreats . I think we
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should use healthy principles , like we've been saying , like
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maybe not dress up as ghouls or demonic things
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, but at the same time like if people
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are coming to us , that's an opportunity , we may get
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one . What if it's a one out of a hundred people . That's
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more than enough for me . That's the elect .
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That's another topic , but
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anyways .
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I'm not a Calvinist .
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But I mean , if the people are going to be going out to houses all
18:24
throughout the night , I'd rather them have at least one
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or two churches nearby that they can at least go by and
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hear the gospel . Then they'll go to just
18:31
houses and they never get a chance to hear it at all . But which
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churches are doing that ? Maybe
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that's something we need to start doing . Maybe we all go to church
18:37
. We have the ability to talk to our church leaders . This
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is the issue .
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I mean , I know we're talking about Halloween , but that's
18:43
like an issue that maybe we could say for like another day
18:45
. But , like , as Christians , I don't think we do
18:47
the best job of going into the
18:49
world and evangelizing Like we think
18:52
we should . I mean , I absolutely agree with
18:54
you and Isaac has a great point . You don't see people
18:56
doing that . I think it's something that we
18:58
need to do and I like that you brought in . Like you
19:00
know , jesus meets us where we're at and I think a lot of
19:02
times you know , like Isaac's saying , wait for them to sober up , and stuff
19:05
like that . No , I don't agree with that
19:07
, you know , I think we should . If there's a chance for us to talk about Jesus
19:09
, we should talk about him in that moment , because
19:11
Jesus doesn't wait for us to get better .
19:13
Well , my point was don't go party with him . Oh
19:16
yeah , I mean . Yeah , that was my point , my bad .
19:17
Don't partake . Yeah , you're right about that . Don't partake in
19:20
the activities .
19:20
Yeah .
19:21
I agree .
19:21
You know , justin
19:24
no , so the thing .
19:27
I think has a good point with
19:29
. If people are coming to you , you
19:31
spread the gospel . But the thing about it
19:34
is that's
19:36
not the situation
19:38
that I see . The situation I see and I could
19:40
be blind in the way that
19:42
I see this , but the situation that I see that I think is wrong
19:45
is not . Christian is
19:47
taking this day and saying these are the days
19:49
, this is the day that God brings everyone to us
19:51
, that we can share the gospel . It's Christian
19:53
saying I'm going to celebrate this day
19:55
just like everyone else . You're right , I
19:57
completely agree with you .
19:59
That's my point , my point being that we're
20:02
talking about how should we think about Halloween
20:04
as Christians . That's what our goal is today is
20:06
to talk about Halloween . That's my point . I think that's
20:09
what we need to do . I don't think we've done
20:11
a good job of it . No , and I think , if
20:13
you make this use , like if for me , I'm
20:15
not the best evangelist , I don't have the gift of evangelism
20:18
Same way , I don't have the gift of giving
20:20
, yet I still give . We all
20:22
are supposed to practice these gifts every day , so you shouldn't
20:24
say , oh well , I'm just going to wait for Halloween to , for
20:26
God , bring people to me and then I'm going to evangelize . This should
20:28
be a daily practice and this is how we use
20:30
Halloween to use that practice this
20:32
day too , not just Every day , but
20:34
this day as well .
20:35
Agree with you 100% it's kind of like you
20:37
know A good
20:39
example , and that's something not Halloween that
20:41
we use . Say , your church
20:43
sets up like a soup kitchen . Not
20:46
everybody who comes there is going to come to
20:48
hear the word , but that's a great opportunity
20:50
to bring people into a at least an
20:52
environment where they can be around people
20:54
who are going to Be like that . So say you
20:56
do a trunk retreat , like many
20:59
churches do around Halloween . That's
21:01
an environment where they can be at a church around
21:03
other people and sometimes , like Zeke said , maybe
21:05
it's one person asks about God that whole time
21:08
. Out of 150 people who come . That's
21:10
all it takes .
21:11
Yeah , I'm not advocating that we do anything
21:13
like they do . I'm saying like , of course we can
21:15
. I'm open to other ideas . It doesn't have to be a trunk
21:17
retreat . I could care less how we do it . I just
21:19
I think this the one extreme is to close off
21:22
and say , hey , let's go do our own thing , we'll ignore the world
21:24
. I think the opposite extremes like , hey , let's be just
21:26
like the world and go to their parties and do what they do I think there's
21:28
somewhere in the middle where we meet and like , hey , how
21:30
can we reach people on this day the same way we do
21:32
every other day ?
21:33
and I think the reason why we don't think of that is because of like
21:35
One . It's
21:37
never really done , if that makes sense . I
21:40
think why it's so foreign to us is because nobody does
21:42
it . Because when you think about , like
21:44
going to a trunk retreat and you take
21:46
your kid up and I'm not going to say they're just
21:48
like a demon , it's very rare that I see a child dressed up as
21:50
the devil or a witch or anything like that . They're normally
21:52
like , like , like something spider-man
21:54
or spider-man , a superhero , a princess
21:56
or something like that . Is that an idol ? Though I
21:59
wouldn't say it's an idol . I wouldn't
22:01
say it's an idol and I have
22:03
mine and that can be another topic , but anyways
22:05
it's . You know , you
22:08
just don't see anybody like going out of their way
22:10
. Like when that kid comes up and you ask their
22:12
parents what do you think about Jesus ? You know , like that
22:14
you don't . We don't have conversations like that . I think that's
22:16
why it's so foreign To us .
22:18
So I think , in order for it to become something
22:21
normal , we have to start that change
22:23
and I agree with both the y'all
22:25
like If
22:28
we can take , if
22:30
we can share the gospel on this day instead of celebrating
22:32
helwing , that's awesome . But when I was coming
22:34
into it I wasn't saying like let's change the day . I was saying
22:37
Should christians celebrate
22:39
this day like the rest of the world , or should christians kind of
22:41
not celebrate this day like the rest of the world ? That's
22:43
kind of how I was viewing it . So it's because
22:46
that's how I see it in our society
22:48
right now is it's Either
22:50
or those are the two options . Yeah , and
22:52
so for me , I would rather someone's shy
22:55
way then Like
22:58
I'd rather , I'd rather see someone
23:01
who's like I'm
23:03
going to not eat this idol
23:05
meat in For
23:08
god because I don't want , because I feel like that's
23:10
wrong and that'd
23:12
be okay for other people and they're still
23:14
free , but god honors that . Then someone
23:16
say , you know what ? I'm going to go get
23:18
drunk and all this stuff because I'm free and christ and I
23:20
can and he forgives me for everything . I'm
23:23
just going to go fornicating all this stuff . I would
23:25
, I'd rather see this side of
23:27
the holding back things that could
23:29
be a blessing to you than to see
23:31
the oh , you're free
23:34
and like in christian society
23:36
kind of today . Like I see more of the you're
23:38
free and christ , go , do anything you need kind
23:41
of thing .
23:41
Yeah , mckinsey um , I
23:43
just wanted to bring this up just real quick
23:45
, but I think why
23:48
this conversation is important to have
23:50
kind of covers
23:52
um other things too
23:55
. Like like was saying , like usually it's princesses
23:57
or superman or spider
24:00
man or whatever . But we can even
24:02
take this lens that we're examining halloween
24:04
and go into like disney , like
24:06
I don't know , do our kids need to be dressing
24:08
up like um Elsa , where she has
24:10
powers and all this stuff , or do we kind of
24:12
need to be like focusing more on
24:14
the gospel and who actually has
24:17
Power , who is god
24:19
? You know what I mean . Like we can take this
24:21
and examine other things too , and
24:23
maybe more as we do that it will change our
24:26
mind on halloween a little bit .
24:27
Yeah , I can , I can see that point . My
24:30
my only hang up about stuff like that is , like
24:32
, do we start going
24:34
into the camp of
24:36
just deeming everything
24:38
is bad and
24:41
kind of crushing our uh
24:43
, you know , children's like creativity
24:46
, like start kind of like you
24:48
know stuff like that ? Do we start going into that camp where we
24:50
come overbearing everything's
24:52
evil , or
24:54
do we allow some Forms
24:57
of energy ? And this is just a question like I
24:59
really don't know . Like this is something
25:01
I , these are something I struggle grass with . Like , for instance
25:03
, I love the wwe
25:06
, like I grew up as a kid watching the wwe
25:08
. But if I'm gonna be honest , there were some characters
25:10
and some story lines . Like , for instance , there's a guy
25:13
named kane and he
25:15
is his little , he's the devil's favorite
25:17
demon , like that was his thing .
25:18
I mean also stone cold , steve austin takes
25:21
austin 316 .
25:22
Yeah , they took elements like that you know , and
25:24
they were like , while it was fun and you loved
25:26
, like watch these guys and the excitement and the thrills
25:29
that they gave you Like is , would it be
25:31
something that I would let my child watch today
25:33
. It's like , it's those things is like
25:35
as is . Do we become Overbearing
25:38
where it just gets to the point where we don't let them watch anything
25:40
, or do we have to like , kind
25:43
of like I hate to use this analogy
25:45
but like drink responsibly , like do we have to be responsible
25:47
with what we're watching ? Like Allow
25:49
to , like be allowed to enjoy it , but have some
25:51
responsibility with it ? Like understand , like these
25:53
, you know .
25:55
I see what you're saying with going too far and not
25:57
letting our kids have anything , but at the same
25:59
time , like You're the parent
26:01
like who , like our kids , don't
26:03
know . So if we just expose them like yeah , just
26:06
watch this little show about you know
26:08
these people turning into
26:10
animals or whatever , and then they grow
26:12
up and they've got that in the back of their mind , and then they're more
26:14
subset , like as a parent .
26:16
That's why I think , talking about halloween
26:18
, halloween is a very kid
26:20
heavy holiday and if it's rooted
26:22
in that and we're exposing our children to that
26:25
, like maybe we should just think about it A little
26:27
bit and hold them back a little , you know
26:29
so so you're saying , like we just need to explain
26:31
it better to them , okay , not that I agree
26:34
with that , I mean , and
26:36
hold it back from , hold it back , okay , I
26:38
mean because a five-year-old .
26:40
To them it may be like you can't dress
26:42
up like your favorite character and get candy and
26:44
they're gonna see it as why not ? But
26:46
as us it may be . This
26:49
is rooted in something that , as
26:51
your parent , as a Christian , I
26:54
don't think we need to be a part of . Oh yeah , and
26:56
they can't grasp that yet .
26:58
True , so is this
27:00
viewpoint something we should just apply
27:02
to Halloween ? Let's take anything
27:04
can be an idol . There are people
27:06
who go to football games . They shout profanity
27:09
, they buy so much merch
27:11
. It's ridiculous and I say that coming
27:13
from like video games and stuff like that
27:15
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles . Absolutely , absolutely
27:17
, absolutely I'm not just , I'm not just
27:19
holding that , but if you take this lens on
27:21
one thing , you have to focus on multiple things .
27:23
Yeah , and I think that's exactly what we need to
27:25
do , because it is and it comes back to discernment
27:28
in each situation . If you're taking your
27:30
kid to a football game where they've got
27:32
songs that are like F the
27:34
other team or whatever , then , yeah , maybe not let your kid go
27:36
to that , even though it's fun , even
27:38
though it's cool , maybe not .
27:40
I've even heard people at younger
27:43
kids football game shouting stuff . You
27:45
can't control what other people do as well .
27:47
But you can control what you expose yourself
27:49
to .
27:50
If someone's going to be , there are people who will
27:52
show up drunk to their little kids game you
27:55
can't control what those people do . That's
27:57
what I'm saying .
27:57
You can control what you put your
27:59
child in .
28:00
That's the point he's making .
28:02
Is that what you're trying to make ?
28:04
Yeah , that's kind of what I'm saying is , you can control
28:06
what you do , but there are also some
28:08
things you can't control , so then you should be
28:10
like I
28:13
get what you're saying now , but are you saying like I'm
28:15
confused , are you for it or against it ?
28:17
Like what are you ?
28:17
getting at . I'm just saying like there
28:20
is a middle ground to have with a lot of
28:22
this stuff , like obviously you
28:24
don't want to take your kid to an atmosphere
28:27
where there is I'm
28:29
trying to think of a good example .
28:31
Okay , let's , let's use me and you . For example , should
28:33
we go ? Because we want to go to what is it called , where
28:35
all of our favorite pop punk bands and stuff are
28:37
going . We were wanting to go to that concert
28:40
, but we know for a fact , with that
28:42
genre of music comes weed
28:44
, drugs , alcohol . They're going to be people that
28:46
are crossfaded . There are going
28:48
to be people with pentagrams on their shirts . They're going to be devil worshipers
28:51
there , not because those bands promote it , but
28:53
that's just the lifestyle that comes with the music that
28:55
with that type of music .
28:56
That's a good point , yeah , so should we go ? I
29:00
mean that's a good thing to think about . Honestly
29:03
, I mean I would say probably not Chloe
29:05
.
29:07
I just wanted to give a disclaimer . None of us have
29:09
kids yet .
29:10
So like I think this is a little hard , for yourself .
29:12
I think this is a little hard for us to know like
29:14
a hundred percent right now . But I think it comes down
29:16
mostly to discernment and your personal convictions
29:19
, because one person could
29:21
be very convicted about , you know , like taking
29:23
their kid out for Halloween . One person might
29:25
not not be as convicted about that . And you
29:27
also don't want to shield your kid completely
29:30
from punk rock or Halloween
29:32
. You're like you know things of the world . Because
29:34
then if they're just shielded their whole life and
29:36
then they go , out problems of things shall yeah
29:38
, then they go out after they're 18
29:41
. They go to college and they have a rude
29:43
awakening , and then they don't know what to do with themselves
29:45
. Chloe .
29:46
Absolutely .
29:48
Yeah , that's what happened , isaac . There's a difference
29:51
between being sheltered , where you don't know
29:53
anything , and being explained
29:56
to and
30:00
put in the right situations where , like you're
30:02
trying to be faithful to God and say we
30:04
want to raise you as godly kids . You're
30:06
not going to partake in this because we don't see it as
30:08
right . We'll tell you about it . We'll tell you hey
30:10
, your friends are going to dress up as this . They're going to
30:12
go to haunted houses tonight . You're not going to
30:14
go . I don't have kid , but I'm just saying like
30:16
this house it . You're not going to go because I
30:19
believe that is of the devil and you've
30:21
loved it when we went to a haunted house .
30:22
I did , I did like it , I did .
30:25
But God has convicted me of
30:27
that and I just don't .
30:29
I don't see it as good now . I mean , I'm just a chicken
30:31
, I can't walk through that stuff . You did , though
30:33
you was proud of you .
30:35
So there's , a difference between being sheltered like you
30:38
don't know anything and being sheltered
30:42
as in , like giving
30:44
, raising
30:46
your kids the best way you can
30:48
without exposing them because I
30:51
don't know Paul or someone . Someone
30:53
in the Bible says like it's a good
30:55
thing to be like
30:57
innocent Right .
31:01
I don't think to be innocent . Hold
31:05
on . I know it's somewhere in the Philippines
31:07
that when Paul has words for
31:09
the things we should focus on , you know whatever's
31:12
like this innocent as dubs .
31:14
But why is it so ?
31:15
That's Jesus , so
31:17
Jesus isn't so be
31:20
innocent , right , but you can be smart and
31:22
be innocent Like you can not for
31:24
taking things , but know about it and know like , okay
31:26
, I'm watching this .
31:27
Yeah , justin something I can say
31:30
when it comes to the raising kids as well , something
31:33
my father raised a lot of kids .
31:34
No , I'm speaking of my father .
31:36
It's a joke , but
31:38
something that I will say is you can
31:41
also walk a middle ground with stuff . My
31:45
dad what he would tell me with stuff
31:47
like let's talk about drugs and
31:49
alcohol and stuff like that . I'm usually don't want you to
31:52
Sorry , you don't want your kids doing that , but
31:55
what my father told me was absolutely
31:58
you don't need to do this . I don't
32:00
want you doing this , but if you're
32:02
going to do it , I would rather you do it here
32:04
than go out and do something stupid . Sometimes
32:07
you have to prepare for kids , because kids are
32:09
rebellious and if you think the kids
32:11
aren't , you are wrong .
32:14
Yeah , he's got a good point , like it does not matter how
32:16
good you raise your kids If you shelter
32:18
people from stuff like that and say
32:21
you cannot go to this level
32:23
or I will scold you .
32:25
I will , you will be punished . That
32:27
makes a child want to do stuff more . Well , that's
32:29
, my father did that stuff with me , which where
32:31
he was like , hey , if you're going to do it , I
32:33
would prefer you do it here . I don't want you to do it all , but
32:36
if you're going to do it , do it here . And because he
32:38
did not , incredibly , demonize me and punish
32:40
me for several things , I have no desire
32:42
to do any of that but that , but that but that was you , though . That's
32:45
your personality , my sister
32:47
is the same way , so is my brother .
32:49
I'm just saying , though . I'm just saying that's your
32:51
family . You're brought up in that atmosphere . Somebody there
32:53
are other people who have that have taught
32:55
that same way and their kids
32:57
will go out and do stuff . It's , it's just unpredictability
33:00
. That's the thing . It does not matter how
33:02
, what . You can raise your kid the best way
33:04
I mean you can be the best way and some of
33:06
the kids are going to turn out just the way you raised them . Some
33:08
of the kids are not . That is just
33:11
that just comes with our free will and that's
33:13
just human nature .
33:14
I think , to your kind of going over
33:16
and it's not a control thing of . I need
33:18
to control my child and need to make sure
33:20
they do this , do this , do this . It's of . We're
33:24
instructed to train up our
33:26
children in the ways that the Lord says to , and
33:29
if we have a personal conviction of , I
33:31
don't think we should do this because
33:33
, it's not rooted in Christ , then we're not going
33:36
to do it . It's not a thing of just
33:39
. I don't want you to do that . It's
33:42
God maybe don't
33:44
doesn't want us to do this .
33:46
I think all of these things
33:49
are good to talk about parenting
33:51
and how far is too far in the culture
33:53
, but not of it , all of those things let's
33:55
, as we conclude our conversation
33:58
on , let's bring it back to
34:00
Halloween , or as you weirdos
34:03
call it , halloween , halloween
34:05
, halloween , halloween . Let's
34:08
bring it back just for a moment . So
34:10
who here would say
34:12
, in its full , unadulterated
34:15
form , halloween
34:17
is ? You'd say , satanic
34:20
or demonic ?
34:21
I would I can agree . I'll just show a
34:23
hands , yeah .
34:25
So everyone says that who here
34:27
Okay , let's go the opposite way . Some
34:30
churches take the stance of
34:32
you should not even acknowledge the
34:34
holiday ? Just a normal week , normal day
34:36
, situation is normal . Who
34:39
here agrees with that ? That churches
34:41
should not even acknowledge it ? No , I don't
34:43
think you should . No hands . So I think we
34:46
all fall somewhere in the middle
34:48
of . It's an opportunity , but
34:50
we need to be careful how exactly
34:52
we go about it . So that's just to kind of
34:54
summarize what we've been saying , but
34:57
anyways , this has been a conversation on
34:59
Halloween . If you have any questions for
35:01
us , you can reach out through
35:03
our website , dangerousfaithnet
35:06
, but also social media as well
35:08
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35:10
and ask questions , and many of
35:12
you who listen know us personally at
35:15
our different churches we're a part of . If you have
35:17
any topics you want to cover , we
35:19
can do so on the podcast . It's very
35:21
enjoyable . But anyways , my
35:23
name's Nate . We have Blake , justin
35:26
, isaac , mackenzie , chloe
35:28
and Zeke , so full house today
35:30
and we'll talk about aliens
35:33
in our next episode . Yeah , oh yeah , we'll talk with you
35:35
later .
35:35
Moon landing was fake , moon landing was fake
35:37
. It's
35:51
just really
35:54
sweet , yes
36:05
.
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