0:00

That's totally fair If I'm gonna .

0:02

That's totally fair . I'm gonna demand God come down telling

0:04

I have six kids and some . I can say yeah , jesus , come down

0:06

, show me your real I have to

0:08

if . I'm gonna live in that absurdity . I gotta stick with it . At

0:11

least you're consistent consistent yeah .

0:13

All right you should be recording . Yeah

0:18

, so now we have an own record for whenever Blake actually

0:20

does get married . We'll have all this kidding I

0:22

was kidding .

0:23

I'll have as many kids as God allows , just

0:25

more than three .

0:38

We are going to talk about Halloween

0:41

today , but as Just in the moments

0:43

before I hit record , I've

0:45

been informed that I'm pronouncing

0:48

it wrong , so it's not Halloween

0:50

. What ? What do y'all say ? Halloween

0:53

, halloween , hell Halloween

0:55

, halloween , halloween . So Number

0:58

one no , that's a terrible pronunciation

1:00

. Number two , you're

1:03

wrong . Anyway , so we're gonna talk about Halloween

1:05

from a Christian perspective . Should

1:07

Christian celebrate it ? What are the thoughts

1:10

here ? I'm gonna go ahead and introduce everyone

1:12

. My name is Nate . We have Blake , justin

1:15

, isaac , mackenzie , chloe

1:17

and Zeke , so just

1:19

about the whole crew here . So

1:22

we're gonna talk about Halloween now

1:24

and then in a bit will move to aliens

1:26

. It'll be kind of like a special

1:28

but anyways . I'll open it

1:30

up to the floor . Halloween

1:33

should Christian celebrate it

1:35

. Is it of the devil . Does it mean you're a terrible

1:37

person ? If you do so , is it okay

1:40

, justin ?

1:41

What do you think ? So one thing that I would like

1:43

to say is I think I can't

1:45

remember the name of the song that says it , but the line

1:47

says you take what the enemy meant

1:49

for evil and you use it for good . You

1:51

will probably know it , blake . Why'd you slap me so

1:53

hard ?

1:54

Sorry , I did me too , for you'll probably

1:57

because we're not doing video , I'll just give a play-by-play

1:59

. Justin violently hit

2:01

Blake absolutely , and he only completely

2:04

deserved it .

2:06

All right , that song is a .

2:09

Yes .

2:11

You what bothering me now ?

2:12

It's bothering . Yeah , what is it ?

2:16

It's not , you're a good , good father .

2:19

Well in the meantime , it's a

2:21

big old song by Jesus . That's what you got now

2:23

, okay , buddy , but I

2:25

think that what you can do is a similar victory

2:28

.

2:28

See me , I'm gonna see yeah , that's what there

2:30

we go . Yeah , but uh , don't let me sing

2:32

.

2:34

We're gonna make that like the intro music , yeah

2:36

we don't do that .

2:41

But either way about it , don't do

2:43

it , blake , we love you .

2:45

You have so much to look for .

2:46

I'm like I think that you

2:48

can do similar , because people don't

2:50

realize that Christmas is actually

2:53

. It was originally a pagan holiday called

2:55

Saturnalia . How do you know that ? Because

2:58

it's this workly proven . Where'd you get that

3:00

from ? I'm not gonna

3:02

settle my son . Are you saying you don't ? Like

3:05

the birth of Jesus , he was oh no , I love

3:07

the birth of Jesus . Do

3:10

what ?

3:10

it's actually so . I'm not certainly . So

3:12

now , is Christmas .

3:14

That's what . That's what I'm saying . Oh , oh

3:17

, no , no , no , I'm using this as an example

3:19

, but that is true . But

3:21

we take Saturnalia

3:24

, which was the original Christmas

3:26

thing that Catholics helped to turn

3:28

into that . Well , actually it was . It was just Christians

3:30

back in the day , because it was Roman celebrations said

3:33

celebrating the God , saturn , but

3:35

they turned

3:38

that from this pagan holiday

3:40

into Something that

3:42

you could use for good for the name

3:45

of Christ . So I think that

3:47

we can take Halloween , which has this

3:49

bad connotation to it , and turn it

3:51

into something good .

3:52

What you're saying is because Catholics did , we can

3:54

do it , justin .

3:55

I think the yes , I think the bigger thing that we're asking . So

3:57

if we can take something bad and just say

3:59

, turn it for the name

4:02

of Christ so I can own a strip

4:04

club , but if

4:06

I find a way to work Jesus into it I can

4:08

own it , yes , absolutely .

4:10

I turn this bad thing for a good thing . Is that where you're trying to say Blake

4:12

wants a strip club ? Any any

4:14

other thoughts there about Halloween

4:16

?

4:19

So the song

4:21

that you're referring to don't think it applies

4:23

in the sense , because it's talking

4:26

about like Evil in

4:28

the world and God is turning that for good

4:30

. You like when people wanting Jesus to die and

4:32

like when Joseph was sold and sleep , stuff like

4:34

that . But you have a point where

4:36

God can take evil things to turn for good

4:38

. With Christmas it's a little different , because

4:41

Christmas we are

4:43

not celebrating Saturnalia

4:45

or whatever . We're celebrating the birth of Christ . With

4:47

Halloween , we're no one's changing

4:50

anything . We're still celebrating Halloween

4:52

, the same way that the world is celebrating Halloween . They're still

4:54

haunted houses , they're still dressed up , there's still all these things

4:56

. So you can say , yeah , we can turn it for good

4:58

, but that's if you actually Turn

5:01

it for something else .

5:04

You know that there are things like Christian haunted

5:06

houses , right , sometimes called hell houses

5:08

, which leads you through a depiction

5:10

of hell , going through several different

5:12

sins and at the end you

5:14

come to God .

5:15

Speaking of which , have any of y'all been different

5:17

names for it ? I've heard of judgment house , mm-hmm

5:19

. Have any of y'all been to one of those ? Yeah ? What

5:22

was it like .

5:24

It was weird Was it scary . It

5:28

was . It was just kind of weird

5:30

. I don't know if it was really scary . It was just

5:32

like you went through this , you

5:34

went through hell , obviously , and then you get to heaven .

5:36

But that just

5:38

seems weird it was weird part . That's

5:40

weird .

5:41

I think it's one of those things that , like Christians

5:44

try to be , like

5:46

, try to make a market for themselves , but they

5:48

don't realize that they don't have like the creative

5:51

Ability to do it

5:53

. Like you see like a lot of Christian movies they're like really

5:55

cringe , but like , and now lately

5:57

we've kind of caught on . We're like , hey , here's how

5:59

you actually make good TV shows and movies and

6:01

here's how you can do it Well as a Christian see

6:03

, I think there are just some things that we just don't

6:06

need to turn Christian just simply because there's .

6:08

There's no way like death metal . There's

6:11

just the whole thing about death metal

6:13

is to be like to

6:15

sound as gross and demonic as you possibly can

6:17

. That's literally like the whole and that's not

6:19

and that's not me like being a knot . This is , I'm a death

6:21

metal list like I listen to death metal , so that's

6:23

not just coming out of ignorance , but not anymore

6:25

used to , though , back in the day .

6:27

So I'm with Justin on this thing

6:29

. So Halloween I looked into this a little

6:32

bit ago , but Halloween started

6:34

as like a Celtic holiday and

6:36

it was pagan and then . Celtic , celtic

6:39

, whatever the Boston . Celtic

6:42

, boston Celtic and then the

6:45

, the Catholic Church or

6:47

someone in it , one of the Saints wanted

6:50

to change it to for

6:53

to all Hallows

6:55

Day , which means all Saints Day . That's where we get Halloween

6:57

from . So instead

6:59

of doing the things that the pagans would do , they

7:01

would take the day and they would celebrate martyrs

7:03

and stuff like that , like they would celebrate

7:05

the Saints . That I

7:08

don't see anything wrong with that . But

7:10

if you want to join in with

7:12

the things of the world and

7:14

say , oh well , we're just Christian

7:17

, christianizing it or whatever , but you're still doing

7:19

the things of the world , I don't see that as changing

7:22

anything . I don't see that as good . It's like light

7:24

and darkness . They shouldn't mix , chloe

7:27

.

7:28

My opinion is basically it's

7:30

fine for Christians to celebrate Halloween within

7:33

a certain boundary , like there's

7:35

nothing inherently wrong with things

7:37

like candy or going trick-or-treating or

7:39

having a chunk or treat . There's nothing wrong with

7:41

those things . If you take those things

7:43

and take Halloween out of it completely

7:46

, there's nothing sinful or wrong

7:48

about that . But if you're one of those people that

7:50

love spooky things , you

7:52

I don't know maybe even worship the

7:54

devil , I don't know . Some people are like that . But

7:57

if you put all your

7:59

I don't know pride into those things

8:01

, then that's where it starts to get a little

8:03

bad .

8:06

Do you mean like idolatry , worship of

8:08

it , like making an idol ?

8:09

Yeah , like there's just some people I know

8:11

. There's just some people I know that are very

8:13

like . They just love every

8:15

time Halloween comes around because they can do

8:18

all of these just really scary

8:20

things and basically worship

8:22

the devil .

8:24

So I think

8:27

Halloween I

8:30

don't think Christians should celebrate it

8:32

, because I do think inherently it begins

8:34

with this like demonic

8:37

, like rooted and you know scary

8:39

stuff and blood and

8:41

all that kind of ghost and haunted

8:44

houses and everything like that . But then I'm also

8:46

torn because I'm like the kids are so cute , they

8:48

dress up , they go to trunk or treats like it's

8:50

sweet . I think it's innocent , but

8:53

I think as Christians maybe we

8:55

just need to not celebrate it

8:57

at all and have a talk with our children

8:59

like it's fun , but also

9:02

it's it's worldly , because

9:04

when they grow up they still will be like

9:06

, well , it's just Halloween and it just kind of opens

9:08

that door , you know , because when they're

9:10

cute little kids and they just want candy

9:13

, it's so sweet . But then they grow up and they're

9:15

like , well , I just want to be a

9:17

witch this year or I just

9:19

want to be , you know , something that

9:22

kind of just is a gateway . So it's

9:24

hard because I love giving out candy

9:26

and I love seeing the cute little

9:28

costumes , but the same time

9:31

I don't know if we necessarily should partake

9:33

in it .

9:34

Let me ask the group this Do

9:37

you all think that if a

9:39

kid let's take out , let's say you don't allow your

9:41

kid to dress up as a witch or a demon , I would be opposed

9:43

to that ? Just cause kind of similar reason

9:46

as you ? I just think it's not

9:48

healthy , at the very least , and

9:51

that it could potentially other things later

9:53

. For large majority kids maybe not

9:55

, but I don't think it's wise nonetheless , but

9:57

for y'all . Y'all think that what

10:00

Chloe was saying ? Like if it was any

10:02

other day of the year let's say it's July

10:04

20th and kids

10:06

are out getting candy for

10:08

free and dressing up as superheroes would there

10:10

be anything sinful about that if we did that

10:12

along ?

10:13

I don't think so .

10:14

I don't think so . I don't see how it would I

10:16

see .

10:18

Don't skip ahead . I'm just asking for that day .

10:20

I'm not sure , but

10:23

that's the whole point , the

10:25

context of it being around Halloween , like

10:27

if that stuff is okay on any

10:29

other day then

10:32

that's okay , but it's the fact that it's in

10:34

the context of Halloween that's what makes

10:36

it we shouldn't celebrate Halloween , because it's that

10:39

that's the day so , even

10:41

if these things inherently aren't bad

10:43

, and on another day the reason

10:46

that it's like tied into

10:48

this whole Halloween evil

10:50

, all this stuff , it's kind of

10:52

where I see it Okay so part

10:54

of it's the the time frame October

10:57

31st .

10:57

Now what if Isaac

11:00

and Mackenzie , what if it was like

11:02

a church event that was

11:04

more of like a cookout get together

11:06

on October 31st

11:09

or that weekend for

11:11

community purposes ? Would you still

11:14

not be as big of a fan because it's around

11:16

that holiday , like ? What do

11:18

you think about someone trying to maybe go in the

11:20

middle somewhere ?

11:21

I think fall festivals

11:23

are like a good different thing

11:25

, like maybe just celebrating the time of year

11:27

the season changed , like still having that

11:30

good comfort , food gathering

11:32

, having you know

11:34

good conversations and stuff , and just

11:36

kind of like redirecting it . I still

11:39

just don't . I mean , I just think there's a

11:41

line and maybe we shouldn't get as close

11:43

to it as possible , but maybe as far

11:45

as possible . Just you know why

11:47

not ? Why take that risk ? If

11:49

that makes sense .

11:50

Yeah , I would be

11:52

. I would agree with that . I would . I

11:54

would rather have Christians in the church

11:57

, with the church , in

12:00

community , than out possibly

12:03

partaking in worldly things . So

12:05

I would be all for that if , like , churches

12:07

were like you know what ? This Halloween

12:10

, it's a day that's seen as

12:12

there's demonic things going on

12:14

, there's worship of other things

12:16

. Like we don't want to partake in this , so let's

12:18

separate ourselves and do something

12:20

for us . Like everybody wants to celebrate something

12:22

, just celebrate

12:24

like , like the Catholic Church , they did all

12:27

Halloween or whatever for the Saints . I

12:29

don't see anything wrong with that . I think that would be great .

12:32

Okay , one last thing . I don't think this is a salvation

12:34

if you know the issue . If you choose to celebrate

12:36

Halloween , like you

12:39

know , it's not that big of a

12:41

deal . I don't think . But at

12:43

the same time I do think we're called

12:45

to be different , even when it's

12:48

and it is uncomfortable because you

12:50

know , you see the little kids like you just want them to be

12:52

in their little cute costume , but at the same

12:54

time it's like we need to be sober-minded

12:57

and awake and realize that it can be a

12:59

gateway into something darker

13:01

.

13:01

Yeah , I was six and seven . It's not . It wouldn't become a salvation

13:03

issue until you took it far

13:06

, if that makes sense . But like you said

13:08

, it's just kind of like a responsibility thing , Like you gotta

13:10

kind of walk the line with it .

13:13

What would you say ? Is that too far

13:15

line ?

13:16

Probably if you dressed up as Jesus and

13:18

yeah , of course , that'd probably a little too far

13:20

. Maybe if you dressed up like a drag nun , that'd

13:22

be a little too far .

13:24

So , justin , I was going to pass to

13:26

you for a moment . So we've kind of heard

13:28

those who might shy away from the holiday

13:31

. You , in the beginning

13:33

, seem to be more for , like

13:35

it's okay . You know , we kind of kind of fashion

13:38

it towards more of a Christian direction

13:40

. So my question to you is

13:42

would there be any limitations

13:44

? Or Halloween in its full

13:47

form , it's okay ?

13:48

So I can agree . Personally

13:52

, I think there are some horror

13:54

movies you can stick away from . I

13:56

don't think everything scary is demonic

13:58

. I'd entirely disagree with that . But

14:02

I can say things like children

14:04

not dressing up as like a

14:06

witch or something like that . I can totally agree

14:08

with that . The Jesus thing , like obviously

14:10

I think you need to be careful with that

14:12

. I think there are

14:14

times for it like when they made the show the Chosen

14:17

, how he's playing Jesus but he tries to play it

14:19

as accurately as he possibly can to

14:22

be a basically a form of

14:24

just letting people see the media and letting

14:26

people see God in a different

14:28

way . But I

14:30

would say I like the Fall Festival

14:32

idea , stuff like that , instead

14:35

of like obviously you don't want kids to see a bunch

14:37

of scary stuff and blood and stuff like that

14:39

. I can totally agree with that . Doing a Fall

14:41

Festival for children where they can go out

14:43

and go around and do stuff or a

14:46

trunk or treat or something like that . I think it's perfectly

14:48

fine . I don't really

14:50

see if you can take a day and turn it for something

14:52

good . I still don't see the problem with that . Yeah .

14:55

So here's some of my thoughts , kind

14:58

of going around . Everything we've said is I see it

15:00

as more of a wisdom . Like

15:02

we've said , it's not a salvation issue

15:04

, obviously , unless you go very far with it

15:06

, and then I become a little bit more concerned . But

15:09

I see it as more of a wisdom issue

15:11

. Take , for example , when Paul's talking to I think

15:13

it was Corinthians , where he's talking to people and he was

15:15

, people were saying like , hey , these people

15:17

, they're eating meat that was sold to idols

15:20

. And he's like , okay , that's not a big

15:22

deal , but if it's going to make them stumble

15:24

, then don't do it around them . So not

15:26

saying that , hey , it's not , it's a good thing that serve

15:28

to . He's not saying , go sacrifice

15:31

meat to idols . But he's saying like , look , those things aren't real

15:33

. It's okay , you're made free and crossed

15:35

, so it's not something we should really punish

15:37

people or say , hey , you're not a Christian because you

15:39

did this or that , but as ourselves , we should

15:41

look at it with a lens of you know what . Maybe some

15:43

of this is unhealthy , maybe we should change some of

15:45

it to where it's not . You know , dressing up like witches

15:48

and ghouls and etc . Etc . Or maybe

15:50

we have something different , event like a fall festival

15:52

. I also see the good in it in the sense

15:54

of as Christians , our

15:56

main goal is to spread the gospel , and

15:59

typically that looks like us going to people

16:01

and having to reach out to them and find them where they're at

16:03

. Halloween is one day of the year God

16:06

sends everyone to us . I see that

16:08

as a great opportunity to evangelize the people . Yeah

16:10

, and Isaac's put in a face on

16:12

, so he obviously has something to say about it .

16:14

Isaac , any any thoughts about that ? Zeke's

16:18

kind of put you on the spot .

16:20

How many times have you seen people

16:22

come to a church

16:25

on Halloween to

16:27

hear their gospel ? Like how many times

16:29

is it ? People like , oh yeah , well

16:31

, this is Halloween , we're going to go to a church , and the church is like

16:33

this is our , this is our moment . Or

16:35

is it mostly just trunk or

16:38

treats where it's like , hey , we're just going

16:40

to join in in the celebrations , here's your candy

16:42

. I know you're dressed up as a demon , but here you go

16:44

, like kind of thing .

16:46

So you're saying that we shouldn't outreach to people

16:48

when they come to us ? No , I'm saying we shouldn't look like

16:50

the world , but we're supposed to be in the world

16:52

but not the other world .

16:53

How do ?

16:54

you do that . Do you retreat into

16:56

your , into your basement , and then just celebrate

16:58

by yourself , or do you go out with to the world ?

17:00

No , you can go out to the world and not look like the world

17:02

.

17:02

So how do we do ?

17:03

things of the world , if you went , if there

17:05

was , if they were having a party at

17:07

a fraternity . Let's say you're in college , they're having a party at

17:10

a fraternity , or whatever . Do you go and get drunk ? Willem

17:12

say well . I can go , get drunk and have fun and

17:14

party , and , and then I'll spread the gospel

17:16

and share the news . Or do you say no

17:18

? How about let's talk to them when they're going in

17:20

, or talk to them when they're coming out , when they sober up ? Let's

17:23

let's try to steer them away from

17:25

this .

17:25

I think it's more of meeting the person where

17:27

they're at , and I don't think that means we go

17:29

, do the things they do . I agree with you . I don't think we

17:31

act the way they do , that we dress the way they do

17:33

, that we do these things that we've all most of us

17:36

agreed . We just I don't think it'd be wise to do that

17:38

, but I think it's we do what Jesus

17:40

is . We meet people where they're at . Take the woman

17:42

at the well . He met her where she was at after five

17:44

marriages and he called her out for her . He didn't

17:46

shy away from it , but he met her where she was

17:48

and then used her situation to make

17:50

known to her that it's through him and him alone

17:53

that she can be saved and that she can have fulfillment in her

17:55

life , not through these marriages that she's been going

17:57

through . So , to bring it back to Halloween

17:59

, I think a healthy way . I don't have a problem with

18:01

churches doing trunk retreats . I think we

18:04

should use healthy principles , like we've been saying , like

18:06

maybe not dress up as ghouls or demonic things

18:08

, but at the same time like if people

18:10

are coming to us , that's an opportunity , we may get

18:12

one . What if it's a one out of a hundred people . That's

18:14

more than enough for me . That's the elect .

18:18

That's another topic , but

18:20

anyways .

18:21

I'm not a Calvinist .

18:22

But I mean , if the people are going to be going out to houses all

18:24

throughout the night , I'd rather them have at least one

18:27

or two churches nearby that they can at least go by and

18:29

hear the gospel . Then they'll go to just

18:31

houses and they never get a chance to hear it at all . But which

18:33

churches are doing that ? Maybe

18:35

that's something we need to start doing . Maybe we all go to church

18:37

. We have the ability to talk to our church leaders . This

18:40

is the issue .

18:41

I mean , I know we're talking about Halloween , but that's

18:43

like an issue that maybe we could say for like another day

18:45

. But , like , as Christians , I don't think we do

18:47

the best job of going into the

18:49

world and evangelizing Like we think

18:52

we should . I mean , I absolutely agree with

18:54

you and Isaac has a great point . You don't see people

18:56

doing that . I think it's something that we

18:58

need to do and I like that you brought in . Like you

19:00

know , jesus meets us where we're at and I think a lot of

19:02

times you know , like Isaac's saying , wait for them to sober up , and stuff

19:05

like that . No , I don't agree with that

19:07

, you know , I think we should . If there's a chance for us to talk about Jesus

19:09

, we should talk about him in that moment , because

19:11

Jesus doesn't wait for us to get better .

19:13

Well , my point was don't go party with him . Oh

19:16

yeah , I mean . Yeah , that was my point , my bad .

19:17

Don't partake . Yeah , you're right about that . Don't partake in

19:20

the activities .

19:20

Yeah .

19:21

I agree .

19:21

You know , justin

19:24

no , so the thing .

19:27

I think has a good point with

19:29

. If people are coming to you , you

19:31

spread the gospel . But the thing about it

19:34

is that's

19:36

not the situation

19:38

that I see . The situation I see and I could

19:40

be blind in the way that

19:42

I see this , but the situation that I see that I think is wrong

19:45

is not . Christian is

19:47

taking this day and saying these are the days

19:49

, this is the day that God brings everyone to us

19:51

, that we can share the gospel . It's Christian

19:53

saying I'm going to celebrate this day

19:55

just like everyone else . You're right , I

19:57

completely agree with you .

19:59

That's my point , my point being that we're

20:02

talking about how should we think about Halloween

20:04

as Christians . That's what our goal is today is

20:06

to talk about Halloween . That's my point . I think that's

20:09

what we need to do . I don't think we've done

20:11

a good job of it . No , and I think , if

20:13

you make this use , like if for me , I'm

20:15

not the best evangelist , I don't have the gift of evangelism

20:18

Same way , I don't have the gift of giving

20:20

, yet I still give . We all

20:22

are supposed to practice these gifts every day , so you shouldn't

20:24

say , oh well , I'm just going to wait for Halloween to , for

20:26

God , bring people to me and then I'm going to evangelize . This should

20:28

be a daily practice and this is how we use

20:30

Halloween to use that practice this

20:32

day too , not just Every day , but

20:34

this day as well .

20:35

Agree with you 100% it's kind of like you

20:37

know A good

20:39

example , and that's something not Halloween that

20:41

we use . Say , your church

20:43

sets up like a soup kitchen . Not

20:46

everybody who comes there is going to come to

20:48

hear the word , but that's a great opportunity

20:50

to bring people into a at least an

20:52

environment where they can be around people

20:54

who are going to Be like that . So say you

20:56

do a trunk retreat , like many

20:59

churches do around Halloween . That's

21:01

an environment where they can be at a church around

21:03

other people and sometimes , like Zeke said , maybe

21:05

it's one person asks about God that whole time

21:08

. Out of 150 people who come . That's

21:10

all it takes .

21:11

Yeah , I'm not advocating that we do anything

21:13

like they do . I'm saying like , of course we can

21:15

. I'm open to other ideas . It doesn't have to be a trunk

21:17

retreat . I could care less how we do it . I just

21:19

I think this the one extreme is to close off

21:22

and say , hey , let's go do our own thing , we'll ignore the world

21:24

. I think the opposite extremes like , hey , let's be just

21:26

like the world and go to their parties and do what they do I think there's

21:28

somewhere in the middle where we meet and like , hey , how

21:30

can we reach people on this day the same way we do

21:32

every other day ?

21:33

and I think the reason why we don't think of that is because of like

21:35

One . It's

21:37

never really done , if that makes sense . I

21:40

think why it's so foreign to us is because nobody does

21:42

it . Because when you think about , like

21:44

going to a trunk retreat and you take

21:46

your kid up and I'm not going to say they're just

21:48

like a demon , it's very rare that I see a child dressed up as

21:50

the devil or a witch or anything like that . They're normally

21:52

like , like , like something spider-man

21:54

or spider-man , a superhero , a princess

21:56

or something like that . Is that an idol ? Though I

21:59

wouldn't say it's an idol . I wouldn't

22:01

say it's an idol and I have

22:03

mine and that can be another topic , but anyways

22:05

it's . You know , you

22:08

just don't see anybody like going out of their way

22:10

. Like when that kid comes up and you ask their

22:12

parents what do you think about Jesus ? You know , like that

22:14

you don't . We don't have conversations like that . I think that's

22:16

why it's so foreign To us .

22:18

So I think , in order for it to become something

22:21

normal , we have to start that change

22:23

and I agree with both the y'all

22:25

like If

22:28

we can take , if

22:30

we can share the gospel on this day instead of celebrating

22:32

helwing , that's awesome . But when I was coming

22:34

into it I wasn't saying like let's change the day . I was saying

22:37

Should christians celebrate

22:39

this day like the rest of the world , or should christians kind of

22:41

not celebrate this day like the rest of the world ? That's

22:43

kind of how I was viewing it . So it's because

22:46

that's how I see it in our society

22:48

right now is it's Either

22:50

or those are the two options . Yeah , and

22:52

so for me , I would rather someone's shy

22:55

way then Like

22:58

I'd rather , I'd rather see someone

23:01

who's like I'm

23:03

going to not eat this idol

23:05

meat in For

23:08

god because I don't want , because I feel like that's

23:10

wrong and that'd

23:12

be okay for other people and they're still

23:14

free , but god honors that . Then someone

23:16

say , you know what ? I'm going to go get

23:18

drunk and all this stuff because I'm free and christ and I

23:20

can and he forgives me for everything . I'm

23:23

just going to go fornicating all this stuff . I would

23:25

, I'd rather see this side of

23:27

the holding back things that could

23:29

be a blessing to you than to see

23:31

the oh , you're free

23:34

and like in christian society

23:36

kind of today . Like I see more of the you're

23:38

free and christ , go , do anything you need kind

23:41

of thing .

23:41

Yeah , mckinsey um , I

23:43

just wanted to bring this up just real quick

23:45

, but I think why

23:48

this conversation is important to have

23:50

kind of covers

23:52

um other things too

23:55

. Like like was saying , like usually it's princesses

23:57

or superman or spider

24:00

man or whatever . But we can even

24:02

take this lens that we're examining halloween

24:04

and go into like disney , like

24:06

I don't know , do our kids need to be dressing

24:08

up like um Elsa , where she has

24:10

powers and all this stuff , or do we kind of

24:12

need to be like focusing more on

24:14

the gospel and who actually has

24:17

Power , who is god

24:19

? You know what I mean . Like we can take this

24:21

and examine other things too , and

24:23

maybe more as we do that it will change our

24:26

mind on halloween a little bit .

24:27

Yeah , I can , I can see that point . My

24:30

my only hang up about stuff like that is , like

24:32

, do we start going

24:34

into the camp of

24:36

just deeming everything

24:38

is bad and

24:41

kind of crushing our uh

24:43

, you know , children's like creativity

24:46

, like start kind of like you

24:48

know stuff like that ? Do we start going into that camp where we

24:50

come overbearing everything's

24:52

evil , or

24:54

do we allow some Forms

24:57

of energy ? And this is just a question like I

24:59

really don't know . Like this is something

25:01

I , these are something I struggle grass with . Like , for instance

25:03

, I love the wwe

25:06

, like I grew up as a kid watching the wwe

25:08

. But if I'm gonna be honest , there were some characters

25:10

and some story lines . Like , for instance , there's a guy

25:13

named kane and he

25:15

is his little , he's the devil's favorite

25:17

demon , like that was his thing .

25:18

I mean also stone cold , steve austin takes

25:21

austin 316 .

25:22

Yeah , they took elements like that you know , and

25:24

they were like , while it was fun and you loved

25:26

, like watch these guys and the excitement and the thrills

25:29

that they gave you Like is , would it be

25:31

something that I would let my child watch today

25:33

. It's like , it's those things is like

25:35

as is . Do we become Overbearing

25:38

where it just gets to the point where we don't let them watch anything

25:40

, or do we have to like , kind

25:43

of like I hate to use this analogy

25:45

but like drink responsibly , like do we have to be responsible

25:47

with what we're watching ? Like Allow

25:49

to , like be allowed to enjoy it , but have some

25:51

responsibility with it ? Like understand , like these

25:53

, you know .

25:55

I see what you're saying with going too far and not

25:57

letting our kids have anything , but at the same

25:59

time , like You're the parent

26:01

like who , like our kids , don't

26:03

know . So if we just expose them like yeah , just

26:06

watch this little show about you know

26:08

these people turning into

26:10

animals or whatever , and then they grow

26:12

up and they've got that in the back of their mind , and then they're more

26:14

subset , like as a parent .

26:16

That's why I think , talking about halloween

26:18

, halloween is a very kid

26:20

heavy holiday and if it's rooted

26:22

in that and we're exposing our children to that

26:25

, like maybe we should just think about it A little

26:27

bit and hold them back a little , you know

26:29

so so you're saying , like we just need to explain

26:31

it better to them , okay , not that I agree

26:34

with that , I mean , and

26:36

hold it back from , hold it back , okay , I

26:38

mean because a five-year-old .

26:40

To them it may be like you can't dress

26:42

up like your favorite character and get candy and

26:44

they're gonna see it as why not ? But

26:46

as us it may be . This

26:49

is rooted in something that , as

26:51

your parent , as a Christian , I

26:54

don't think we need to be a part of . Oh yeah , and

26:56

they can't grasp that yet .

26:58

True , so is this

27:00

viewpoint something we should just apply

27:02

to Halloween ? Let's take anything

27:04

can be an idol . There are people

27:06

who go to football games . They shout profanity

27:09

, they buy so much merch

27:11

. It's ridiculous and I say that coming

27:13

from like video games and stuff like that

27:15

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles . Absolutely , absolutely

27:17

, absolutely I'm not just , I'm not just

27:19

holding that , but if you take this lens on

27:21

one thing , you have to focus on multiple things .

27:23

Yeah , and I think that's exactly what we need to

27:25

do , because it is and it comes back to discernment

27:28

in each situation . If you're taking your

27:30

kid to a football game where they've got

27:32

songs that are like F the

27:34

other team or whatever , then , yeah , maybe not let your kid go

27:36

to that , even though it's fun , even

27:38

though it's cool , maybe not .

27:40

I've even heard people at younger

27:43

kids football game shouting stuff . You

27:45

can't control what other people do as well .

27:47

But you can control what you expose yourself

27:49

to .

27:50

If someone's going to be , there are people who will

27:52

show up drunk to their little kids game you

27:55

can't control what those people do . That's

27:57

what I'm saying .

27:57

You can control what you put your

27:59

child in .

28:00

That's the point he's making .

28:02

Is that what you're trying to make ?

28:04

Yeah , that's kind of what I'm saying is , you can control

28:06

what you do , but there are also some

28:08

things you can't control , so then you should be

28:10

like I

28:13

get what you're saying now , but are you saying like I'm

28:15

confused , are you for it or against it ?

28:17

Like what are you ?

28:17

getting at . I'm just saying like there

28:20

is a middle ground to have with a lot of

28:22

this stuff , like obviously you

28:24

don't want to take your kid to an atmosphere

28:27

where there is I'm

28:29

trying to think of a good example .

28:31

Okay , let's , let's use me and you . For example , should

28:33

we go ? Because we want to go to what is it called , where

28:35

all of our favorite pop punk bands and stuff are

28:37

going . We were wanting to go to that concert

28:40

, but we know for a fact , with that

28:42

genre of music comes weed

28:44

, drugs , alcohol . They're going to be people that

28:46

are crossfaded . There are going

28:48

to be people with pentagrams on their shirts . They're going to be devil worshipers

28:51

there , not because those bands promote it , but

28:53

that's just the lifestyle that comes with the music that

28:55

with that type of music .

28:56

That's a good point , yeah , so should we go ? I

29:00

mean that's a good thing to think about . Honestly

29:03

, I mean I would say probably not Chloe

29:05

.

29:07

I just wanted to give a disclaimer . None of us have

29:09

kids yet .

29:10

So like I think this is a little hard , for yourself .

29:12

I think this is a little hard for us to know like

29:14

a hundred percent right now . But I think it comes down

29:16

mostly to discernment and your personal convictions

29:19

, because one person could

29:21

be very convicted about , you know , like taking

29:23

their kid out for Halloween . One person might

29:25

not not be as convicted about that . And you

29:27

also don't want to shield your kid completely

29:30

from punk rock or Halloween

29:32

. You're like you know things of the world . Because

29:34

then if they're just shielded their whole life and

29:36

then they go , out problems of things shall yeah

29:38

, then they go out after they're 18

29:41

. They go to college and they have a rude

29:43

awakening , and then they don't know what to do with themselves

29:45

. Chloe .

29:46

Absolutely .

29:48

Yeah , that's what happened , isaac . There's a difference

29:51

between being sheltered , where you don't know

29:53

anything , and being explained

29:56

to and

30:00

put in the right situations where , like you're

30:02

trying to be faithful to God and say we

30:04

want to raise you as godly kids . You're

30:06

not going to partake in this because we don't see it as

30:08

right . We'll tell you about it . We'll tell you hey

30:10

, your friends are going to dress up as this . They're going to

30:12

go to haunted houses tonight . You're not going to

30:14

go . I don't have kid , but I'm just saying like

30:16

this house it . You're not going to go because I

30:19

believe that is of the devil and you've

30:21

loved it when we went to a haunted house .

30:22

I did , I did like it , I did .

30:25

But God has convicted me of

30:27

that and I just don't .

30:29

I don't see it as good now . I mean , I'm just a chicken

30:31

, I can't walk through that stuff . You did , though

30:33

you was proud of you .

30:35

So there's , a difference between being sheltered like you

30:38

don't know anything and being sheltered

30:42

as in , like giving

30:44

, raising

30:46

your kids the best way you can

30:48

without exposing them because I

30:51

don't know Paul or someone . Someone

30:53

in the Bible says like it's a good

30:55

thing to be like

30:57

innocent Right .

31:01

I don't think to be innocent . Hold

31:05

on . I know it's somewhere in the Philippines

31:07

that when Paul has words for

31:09

the things we should focus on , you know whatever's

31:12

like this innocent as dubs .

31:14

But why is it so ?

31:15

That's Jesus , so

31:17

Jesus isn't so be

31:20

innocent , right , but you can be smart and

31:22

be innocent Like you can not for

31:24

taking things , but know about it and know like , okay

31:26

, I'm watching this .

31:27

Yeah , justin something I can say

31:30

when it comes to the raising kids as well , something

31:33

my father raised a lot of kids .

31:34

No , I'm speaking of my father .

31:36

It's a joke , but

31:38

something that I will say is you can

31:41

also walk a middle ground with stuff . My

31:45

dad what he would tell me with stuff

31:47

like let's talk about drugs and

31:49

alcohol and stuff like that . I'm usually don't want you to

31:52

Sorry , you don't want your kids doing that , but

31:55

what my father told me was absolutely

31:58

you don't need to do this . I don't

32:00

want you doing this , but if you're

32:02

going to do it , I would rather you do it here

32:04

than go out and do something stupid . Sometimes

32:07

you have to prepare for kids , because kids are

32:09

rebellious and if you think the kids

32:11

aren't , you are wrong .

32:14

Yeah , he's got a good point , like it does not matter how

32:16

good you raise your kids If you shelter

32:18

people from stuff like that and say

32:21

you cannot go to this level

32:23

or I will scold you .

32:25

I will , you will be punished . That

32:27

makes a child want to do stuff more . Well , that's

32:29

, my father did that stuff with me , which where

32:31

he was like , hey , if you're going to do it , I

32:33

would prefer you do it here . I don't want you to do it all , but

32:36

if you're going to do it , do it here . And because he

32:38

did not , incredibly , demonize me and punish

32:40

me for several things , I have no desire

32:42

to do any of that but that , but that but that was you , though . That's

32:45

your personality , my sister

32:47

is the same way , so is my brother .

32:49

I'm just saying , though . I'm just saying that's your

32:51

family . You're brought up in that atmosphere . Somebody there

32:53

are other people who have that have taught

32:55

that same way and their kids

32:57

will go out and do stuff . It's , it's just unpredictability

33:00

. That's the thing . It does not matter how

33:02

, what . You can raise your kid the best way

33:04

I mean you can be the best way and some of

33:06

the kids are going to turn out just the way you raised them . Some

33:08

of the kids are not . That is just

33:11

that just comes with our free will and that's

33:13

just human nature .

33:14

I think , to your kind of going over

33:16

and it's not a control thing of . I need

33:18

to control my child and need to make sure

33:20

they do this , do this , do this . It's of . We're

33:24

instructed to train up our

33:26

children in the ways that the Lord says to , and

33:29

if we have a personal conviction of , I

33:31

don't think we should do this because

33:33

, it's not rooted in Christ , then we're not going

33:36

to do it . It's not a thing of just

33:39

. I don't want you to do that . It's

33:42

God maybe don't

33:44

doesn't want us to do this .

33:46

I think all of these things

33:49

are good to talk about parenting

33:51

and how far is too far in the culture

33:53

, but not of it , all of those things let's

33:55

, as we conclude our conversation

33:58

on , let's bring it back to

34:00

Halloween , or as you weirdos

34:03

call it , halloween , halloween

34:05

, halloween , halloween . Let's

34:08

bring it back just for a moment . So

34:10

who here would say

34:12

, in its full , unadulterated

34:15

form , halloween

34:17

is ? You'd say , satanic

34:20

or demonic ?

34:21

I would I can agree . I'll just show a

34:23

hands , yeah .

34:25

So everyone says that who here

34:27

Okay , let's go the opposite way . Some

34:30

churches take the stance of

34:32

you should not even acknowledge the

34:34

holiday ? Just a normal week , normal day

34:36

, situation is normal . Who

34:39

here agrees with that ? That churches

34:41

should not even acknowledge it ? No , I don't

34:43

think you should . No hands . So I think we

34:46

all fall somewhere in the middle

34:48

of . It's an opportunity , but

34:50

we need to be careful how exactly

34:52

we go about it . So that's just to kind of

34:54

summarize what we've been saying , but

34:57

anyways , this has been a conversation on

34:59

Halloween . If you have any questions for

35:01

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35:03

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35:06

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35:08

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35:12

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35:15

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35:17

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35:19

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35:21

enjoyable . But anyways , my

35:23

name's Nate . We have Blake , justin

35:26

, isaac , mackenzie , chloe

35:28

and Zeke , so full house today

35:30

and we'll talk about aliens

35:33

in our next episode . Yeah , oh yeah , we'll talk with you

35:35

later .

35:35

Moon landing was fake , moon landing was fake

35:37

. It's

35:51

just really

35:54

sweet , yes

36:05

.