0:01

So you want a good laugh today yeah

0:03

, I almost said Erection Sunday

0:05

instead of Resurrection Sunday during Children's Time . Today

0:07

, almost .

0:09

During Children's Time .

0:11

Caught myself . Thank God , I

0:14

was talking to children , to children welcome

0:32

back to the dangerous faith podcast .

0:34

I have the dangerous life team with me blake , zeke , chloe and honorary

0:36

member from our church , trent

0:38

. If he so chooses , he is

0:40

welcome to hop in on the episode

0:42

. And we're talking about throuples

0:44

and polyamory in this

0:46

episode because , well , let's

0:48

just admit , our world is

0:50

just very interesting A lot of different trends

0:53

, a lot of different relationship practices

0:55

, and so , from a Christian perspective

0:58

, how do we think about this ? How do we view this

1:00

? We have future and present

1:02

leaders in the church , right here , right now

1:04

, in this room , and I know

1:07

, as this practice becomes more prevalent

1:09

, we will need a Christian ministry kind

1:11

of response if we don't have

1:13

one already . So , anyways

1:15

, we'll get started with

1:17

a broad question of

1:20

throuples . Do we know

1:22

what it is ? Also

1:24

, how prevalent is it when

1:26

it comes to social media , when it comes

1:28

to your own personal life , like , do

1:30

you see it around or do you think it's not

1:33

here quite in this part of alabama

1:35

yet ? So let's open it up . Throuples

1:38

, uh , do you know what it is ? Also

1:40

, is it in your corner

1:43

of the world ?

1:47

do you know what it is blake ?

1:48

blake , do you know what throuples are um ? Is

1:52

I know it's more than two that's

1:54

accurate . That would be a couple

1:56

, and then

2:07

, I know we have a couple uab students

2:09

here . Do you see the stuff on

2:11

campus ? Like just curious ?

2:12

not that I'm aware of . Yeah

2:14

, I mean , unless just how would I know

2:16

? Didn't know about it .

2:17

Yeah , I probably through seeing things

2:19

you don't want to see . Yeah , I haven't seen .

2:21

Well , I see plenty of things I don't want to see , but I haven't seen that

2:23

.

2:23

Yes , like I will say I have

2:26

seen a couple of them . Then there

2:28

was like a couple or a throuple throuple .

2:30

I've seen a couple of throuples .

2:32

Um , all right , dr seuss , but uh , yeah

2:35

, believe it or not ? Uh , chloe , I'm not , we're not

2:37

name dropping , but in high school there

2:39

were a couple that I knew about really okay a couple

2:41

of a couple of throuple couples .

2:42

Well , you'll have to tell me after the podcast

2:45

, I'll tell you .

2:46

And then there was one where

2:49

my friend , where he used to live , there was actually a

2:51

lesbian couple upstairs

2:53

. They were swingers .

2:56

Okay , do we count ?

2:56

swingers as throuples .

2:58

I guess polyamory it

3:01

would fall under maybe the broad umbrella of polyamory

3:04

, open marriages .

3:05

If you consider those marriages , I don't know Well , there's

3:07

a lot of that here in Alabama . Swingers

3:09

is a huge thing here in .

3:10

Alabama , all right . So it's

3:13

kind of sort of here , trent

3:15

, any other thoughts on this

3:17

?

3:19

Absolutely not . There's a place in Florida

3:21

. I forget the name , but it's like a city in Florida

3:23

that's known for .

3:24

It's the retirement home people . Yeah , yeah

3:26

, yeah , how do you ? Know , yeah

3:29

, how do you know , trent , I'm

3:31

old .

3:32

He gets vacation once a year .

3:34

No , but it's so prevalent

3:36

there that they have like a color code system . Like

3:40

they ride around on golf carts and if you have a loofah

3:42

of a certain color , that means a certain thing

3:44

, that you're into a certain thing .

3:46

Oh , like the one banana and the pineapple

3:48

.

3:49

Yeah , that's what it was , I saw a few upside-down pineapples

3:51

on our Disney cruise on the doors

3:53

.

3:54

Okay .

3:54

What does that mean it means they're into

3:57

the swinging lifestyle Right ? Yeah swinging

3:59

lifestyle .

4:00

So Trent Okay .

4:04

I love my wife , and only my wife .

4:06

He loves his wife we want to be very clear .

4:09

And so okay . So more and more now

4:12

I guess it's becoming more

4:14

popular , prevalent . So

4:16

I guess our response one

4:18

thing I've heard is well

4:20

, surely it's okay

4:23

from a Christian standpoint

4:25

because we see all sorts of relationships

4:27

in the Bible . So we think of Solomon's

4:30

wonderful example marrying

4:32

700 women , 300

4:34

concubines Am I getting

4:37

the number right ?

4:38

You're the Bible scholar there we go .

4:40

You're the one with the degree .

4:41

Collectively hundreds and hundreds of women

4:43

. You have David and others

4:46

, abraham

4:48

and all that . So

4:50

what might a response be if

4:52

people say , well , polyamory

4:55

has to be okay , because we

4:57

see some examples of that in the

4:59

Bible ?

5:00

A really easy answer to that would be is

5:03

what's being said in the Bible , prescriptive or

5:05

descriptive ?

5:06

What do you mean by that ?

5:07

I was about to say that .

5:09

You are so rude . Can you describe

5:11

the prescription Good ?

5:13

Yes , so prescriptive meaning . Is it

5:15

telling me to do said thing or is

5:17

it just describing something that happened , in a

5:19

sense that we see plenty of terrible like

5:21

David and Bathsheba ? They have that example

5:23

in scripture where David does something but it's

5:25

told to us that's a bad thing . It's just describing

5:28

how that bad thing happened . It's not telling us

5:30

go and do that bad thing .

5:39

Yeah , and I think too , the important thing to realize is that just

5:41

because it's in the Bible doesn't mean that God is condoning it or supporting it . And if

5:43

you look at any case in the Bible with polygamy , it never has a good outcome

5:46

. There's always some kind of bad consequence , because

5:48

that's not what God desires for us .

5:50

Also , we have direct rules in the Bible that contradict

5:52

it . Like Jesus , defines marriage as one

5:55

man , one woman .

5:56

So that takes out polyamory homosexuality

5:59

all of that , the two shall

6:01

become one .

6:04

Well , if you add that one

6:06

, that makes three . Thank you , Professor Blake .

6:08

That's more than a couple Couples and

6:10

throuples .

6:14

A couple throuples coupling in the throupling world , all right

6:17

, and so with that

6:19

, I think one thing we have to be mindful

6:21

of is every age will

6:23

have its own sins . Not

6:26

that people didn't sin in different ways and

6:29

all that , but , for example , it was

6:31

a very common practice in Bible

6:33

times , particularly , let's say , the Old Testament

6:36

, where if you were a wealthy person

6:38

, you might have multiple wives , and

6:40

it was just what you did . And

6:42

just because the Bible describes

6:44

, like Zeke put so well

6:46

, describes some of those things , sins

6:49

of the day , that doesn't

6:51

mean the Bible supports it , even if

6:53

it just describes the lifestyles

6:56

of people who were living at the time

6:58

.

6:58

I think that's kind of a testament itself

7:00

to the Bible that it

7:04

doesn't shy away or sugarcoat

7:07

things that happen , bad things that happen . Like

7:09

if I was writing a religious book that I was

7:11

trying to afford or something I would just put the good things

7:13

and the things I wanted people to do . But

7:15

the Bible is open to what humans

7:17

are capable of , even the bad and

7:20

kind of points , not only to the fact that we are capable

7:22

of such bad things , but that we have a God that's capable

7:24

of dying for all those bad things .

7:26

That's a great point , I think , from an apologetic

7:29

standpoint , that's one of the strengths of the Bible

7:31

is that , like

7:33

you said , if you were going to create a religion

7:35

to rally people around , you'd want the

7:37

founders to look like heroes , but

7:40

the disciples look like idiots all the time

7:42

. In the Gospels you have Paul

7:44

correcting Peter . You have

7:46

in the Old Testament David with

7:48

Bathsheba the murderer

7:50

, adulterer that story , psalm

7:52

51 . Abraham

7:55

throwing his wife to the

7:57

wolves in Genesis , not

7:59

literal Not literally , but

8:02

from a carnal standpoint , just pretending

8:05

that she was his sister . So

8:07

anyways , you could read that story in Genesis , that

8:10

the heroes of the Bible are very

8:12

human , and again

8:14

just from a historical standpoint . That

8:16

lends to its credibility , because the

8:19

only reason to include embarrassing details

8:21

is if they actually happen

8:23

. But anyways , that's an apologetics kind of side

8:25

note there . Good point and all

8:28

right . So let's move in a bit of

8:30

a ministry direction . Okay

8:33

, so we're all again either future

8:36

or present leaders in the church . There's

8:38

a chance , whether you serve in youth group

8:41

or young adults

8:43

college age , that there

8:45

might people that might come into

8:47

your Bible studies , your events , that

8:50

are involved in these

8:52

kind of relationships or at least thinking

8:54

about it . So , all right , present

8:56

and future leaders , what might be

8:59

some principles , advice , wisdom

9:01

that comes to mind when

9:03

it comes to people in these

9:05

sorts of setups ? Don't

9:08

do it , so don't serve

9:10

in youth group .

9:12

Oh , don't serve in youth group , or like

9:14

don't . I'm confused now . Oh

9:17

no .

9:17

Every youth pastor needs your help . Please do it .

9:20

Yes , did I just speak a heresy . No , okay

9:22

, you just are a heresy . I'm a Hershey .

9:27

Blake's advice would be don't do

9:29

it .

9:30

Okay , don't do it .

9:31

Now we know serving with teens

9:33

. Do teens always listen when we

9:35

say that ? Absolutely Every time , every

9:37

time ?

9:38

Right Trent . I cannot

9:40

recall a time where a teenager did not take

9:42

my direct advice to heart .

9:44

Actually , I think , if you say don't do it , that makes

9:47

them want to do it even more .

9:47

Okay , do it Like my children . Exactly

9:50

Okay , my bad , do it , do

9:52

it Do it .

9:53

Do it , do it .

9:54

What's up brother .

9:56

All right , nike , I feel like the question's too

9:58

vague , like what do you mean ? Is the person coming to

10:01

us asking for help saying hey , is

10:03

this okay ? Yeah , or is it ? Someone

10:05

shows up and they're actively in this , they're not looking

10:07

to quit ? Who

10:09

are we ?

10:09

addressing . It's kind of all the above in that

10:12

insert the hypothetical you would like , but

10:14

, as this enters the church

10:16

, just what might be some good

10:18

principles that we can use to

10:20

address , but in terms of a specific

10:22

hypothetical that could be up to you can use to address

10:24

, but in terms of a specific hypothetical that could be up to you .

10:26

Well , I think we need to start by the LSD talk . You know , love , sex and dating

10:28

, not the drug .

10:30

But we should take it while we're talking about it . All

10:32

right Black is for drugs .

10:34

Go on , but I think we

10:36

should have those conversations and

10:38

we should go ahead , because these

10:40

kids are young , I mean we shouldn't go into graphic

10:42

detail about all these things . Because these kids are young , I mean we shouldn't

10:44

be going to graphic detail about all these things , but we do have to be open

10:47

and honest with them , because these are things that they're going to start experiencing

10:49

. You know , they have hormones , just like we do

10:51

, and they're wanting to find that person , just

10:53

like how we want to find that person . We're older so we can

10:55

have better control of it than they can . But

10:57

I think it's well , to a degree

10:59

. I guess there's

11:01

some nuance to that .

11:02

But for the most part .

11:04

anyways , I think that we should have those

11:07

conversations and we should go ahead and lay a foundation

11:09

for them of saying like this is what God has

11:12

laid out for these specific things , and

11:14

if they have that foundation , well

11:16

you know , maybe , maybe it'll keep

11:18

them from .

11:19

So you're saying we should be more proactive

11:22

in addressing these and giving

11:24

a solid foundation rather than reactive of

11:26

waiting for it to happen ?

11:27

Yeah , okay

11:29

, I think that's good being proactive . Trent , did you

11:31

have anything you wanted to add ?

11:36

Yeah , just literally the authority of Scripture , what

11:38

the Bible says . I mean there's power

11:41

in Jesus' words , so we teach that . I

11:43

mean I do recognize that the

11:46

outside us doesn't always look like the new transformed

11:48

inside us . So there's

11:50

grace and truth with that . But if you lead with truth

11:52

, if we're following Jesus

11:55

like we should be , the

11:58

outside changes to match the inside .

12:01

Yeah , I think that's put well

12:03

, and one thing

12:05

I want to say is

12:07

that it's important on this issue

12:09

to teach a holistic

12:12

faith . So sometimes what

12:14

we tend to do is have you all ever

12:16

been skeet shooting ?

12:19

Whoa what ? Yes

12:21

, I'm going somewhere with this analogy . No , what is that ? Okay , I'm going somewhere with this

12:23

analogy . No , what is that ?

12:24

so ski shooting you

12:28

know , a disc flies out and you take a shotgun

12:30

and you shoot at the flying disc and

12:33

anyways . So sometimes we

12:35

treat issues like that . Trent

12:37

, you're laughing , what's up ?

12:40

I love Blake we love Blake .

12:42

Yes , we do we love Blake .

12:42

how about you ? No way , anyways , I think it's just because you're from the north , I love

12:44

Blake . We love Blake . Yes , we do , we love Blake . How about you ? No way , what

12:47

. Anyways , I think it's just because you're from the north

12:49

and so we just expect you to eat , you know , biscuits

12:52

and bangers and mash , and not shoot a

12:54

gun .

12:54

You're supposed to be terrified of guns ? Oh , that

12:56

is very not true . So

13:01

this is where I'm going with the analogy . Sometimes we

13:03

treat issues in the culture like that

13:05

, where something comes up and okay , maybe y'all

13:07

like popping balloons analogy better . Anyways

13:09

, something comes up and you try to pop it , you

13:11

try to take care of it as it comes up , like

13:13

a weed growing up for another analogy

13:16

as opposed to

13:18

teaching a holistic , well-grounded

13:21

faith . So , blake and Trent , you bring up a good point about

13:23

teaching from the scripture , and scripture

13:25

doesn't change . So as we address

13:27

this , we need to have a healthy view of

13:29

sexuality , we need

13:31

to have a healthy Christian view for

13:33

interacting with the culture

13:35

. We need to have a good definition of marriage

13:38

. So , before you even address

13:40

the topic of throuples and polyamory

13:42

, if we're raising the next generation

13:45

on a good foundation , you're

13:47

not grasping at straws trying to just

13:49

attack whatever comes out and

13:52

it's chaotic and it's crazy . No

13:54

, you're doing it in a calm , conversational

13:56

kind of way , because you've built the foundation

13:58

on a Christian worldview .

14:00

Yeah , I think this . Have you

14:02

ever like asked a question ? But whenever you get

14:04

the answer , you're like that's the last answer I wanted to

14:06

hear .

14:07

Every time .

14:08

Yeah . So this I think it's kind of the same way

14:10

with what you're saying of your

14:12

response is it's not that we have

14:14

to necessarily have all the answers for

14:17

this specific scenario , but that

14:19

read your Bible and great

14:21

Cool . Yeah , just read my Bible , that's easy , um

14:24

. But I mean and that's an answer like if you was

14:26

to ask me about , uh , jehovah's witnesses are witnessing

14:28

the muslims ? Or pick the category , the topic

14:31

, the whatever it is the best

14:33

answer all those is gonna be if you know your bible

14:35

well enough , you'll be more adept

14:37

to answer those questions when they come

14:39

up . Now you can still do more research

14:41

, obviously , and learn more about it , but having

14:44

that foundation is the most important part and that's like

14:46

dang it . Now we've got to learn the entire Bible and , yeah

14:48

, unfortunately that's the best way

14:50

to do it . It's harder , it's not an easy

14:52

answer , it's not as simple as just saying here's the answer to

14:54

this one topic , but it's going to help you in the

14:57

long run with all the other things .

14:58

I think that is a great point

15:01

. So just Christian leaders out there pastors

15:03

, youth pastors , sunday school leaders

15:05

, what

15:12

have you ? This is just so important to know the scriptures in general and then try to apply it

15:14

as well . And from a pastoral point of view , something that's

15:16

important to point out we

15:19

can't say much about throuples

15:21

and polyamory if

15:23

the marriages that people

15:26

see in the church are disasters

15:28

. Right , and not every marriage is

15:30

going to be perfect . I do understand . So lots of

15:32

grace , I want to be very clear about that

15:34

. But if we're dealing

15:36

with lots of dysfunctional homes

15:38

, dads who are not present , et

15:41

cetera , et cetera , high divorce rates

15:44

and again , lots of grace in those situations . But

15:46

I think you know what I'm getting at if

15:48

people aren't seeing healthy , loving

15:50

relationships in the church , do

15:53

we have any ground to stand on

15:55

if we try to point out perversions

15:58

in god's design ? So if I'm treating

16:00

the people horribly in my life people

16:03

, whether it's my spouse or

16:05

family or whatever friends

16:07

and then I go and speak out against throuples

16:10

, people will look at my life and be like Nate . Why

16:13

would I care to listen to you ? Your relationships

16:15

are terrible . So we do want to make

16:17

sure that we are pro-life in all

16:19

the different ways .

16:30

So , healthy marriages , healthy parenting , good support systems , community structure , good teaching

16:32

, just different things to be thinking about . So , since we've kind of I think we've kind of

16:34

all in different ways , said that Bible is most important , having

16:36

that as our foundation is most important . So

16:38

, getting to the actual issue of throuples

16:41

, polyamory , et cetera , what

16:44

question for y'all ? What

16:46

is the purpose for marriage

16:48

? Babies

16:51

? Well , that is one purpose

16:53

. Thank you , blake . That is the first commandment

16:55

Be fruitful and multiply . Yeah , so

16:58

babies is one of them . Bring up kids . What's

17:00

some other purposes ? What is marriage and what is

17:02

not marriage ? Because , if we have a

17:04

definition , because today , now , marriage has just become

17:07

I love this person , therefore we're married

17:09

, or I love these people , therefore we're going to

17:11

get married . So what's the Christian

17:13

view of what is marriage ?

17:15

And ultimately going to Ephesians , it's

17:17

a picture of God and the church

17:19

, jesus and his

17:21

bride , so I think it just mirrors

17:23

the love that God has for us Anything

17:26

else .

17:27

Two becoming one , yeah , two

17:29

becoming one , which makes three .

17:31

So why would it be important for us as Christians

17:33

? None of y'all said it's because you feel a certain way

17:36

about a person . Why is that so important ? I mean

17:38

, I love Chloe .

17:38

I do have good feelings towards her , but that's

17:41

not what marriage is Our feelings aren't reliable

17:43

, Like there's a lot of times that

17:45

I might get annoyed with you and that doesn't mean she's

17:47

going to wake up one day and be like I don't want it . Exposed

17:50

. So if I feel annoyed with you

17:52

, that doesn't give me good grounds to be like well

17:54

.

17:54

I guess I got to just leave .

18:02

That's liberal propaganda .

18:05

But , yeah , we can't base it off feelings . It's based off the commitment we made to each other that day . Yeah

18:07

, and this comes . I mean , we've talked about it a lot , nate , but for those who maybe

18:09

haven't been as learned

18:12

as you scholarly people say on

18:15

the topic , Learned as you Zeke . Yes , yes , I

18:19

mean for the longest time . Even our nation recognized

18:21

that they promoted marriage because it

18:23

helped build a good community . They

18:29

promoted childbirth because it helps the community to thrive . Can you talk on some of that , like why ? that's

18:31

important and how that's changed over the years .

18:32

Yeah , so marriage was seen as the building

18:35

block of society . That marriage

18:37

provides stability and from that stability

18:39

you then raise children to then become

18:41

productive , healthy , good members of

18:44

society . As Blake makes fun of me for my

18:46

hand motions , sometimes I like to

18:48

describe these things because it's a podcast and

18:50

they like to mock me , which

18:52

I often deserve , anyways . And

18:54

so it is healthy

18:56

in a culture to

18:58

have good marriages , parents

19:01

together . We see that from statistics , that the

19:03

statistics of children . What happens

19:06

to children in single parent homes versus

19:08

two parent homes , there is a wide

19:11

gap and this

19:13

does not tell the story of every single person

19:15

, but on a macro level

19:17

that children growing up part of two

19:19

person homes , they

19:22

tend to be much more successful and healthy and

19:24

well-rounded , with fewer mental issues

19:26

and lower crime , et cetera , et cetera

19:28

. So all of this stems from just healthy

19:31

family unit . That's why it's so

19:33

important to strive for that . I know

19:35

it'll sometimes will be far from perfect , but

19:38

it's good to strive for that ideal because

19:40

overall in a community it'll be healthier

19:42

, yeah , yeah . And

19:44

so a good , good , good point

19:46

to bring up Zeke . So throuples

19:49

and polyamory . We

19:51

talked about just different aspects of that

19:53

. Chloe , you had a funny clip

19:55

. You've sent a couple of us just

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how prevalent it is and how

20:00

interested people are in it . Can you tell us

20:02

a little bit about the TV show you

20:04

mentioned ?

20:04

show you mentioned . Yeah , so actually I don't know

20:06

what it's called , Maybe like Sister Wives or something . It's

20:08

a show on TLC .

20:11

Oh my gosh , my mom used to watch that show . It is Trent's favorite show .

20:13

This is a new one Trent , Not the old Sister

20:15

.

20:15

Wives this is a new Sister .

20:16

Wives . It popped up on my Interesting

20:20

. I first heard about it because

20:23

Allie Beth Stuckey did a little response

20:25

video to it .

20:27

Allie who .

20:27

Allie Beth Stucky .

20:28

What a weird last name .

20:30

It's actually Allie Beth .

20:32

Stucky oh .

20:34

Three names ? Yeah , it's three names .

20:35

That's just her whole name . Yeah , it's just

20:37

that one long name .

20:38

Allie Beth , and then her last name is Stucky .

20:41

No spaces . Her name

20:43

has a polyamory .

20:49

What did I say about y'all interrupting me earlier ? Sorry , sorry , sorry

20:51

, sorry . So , basically , I don't remember what their last name was , but I found this other two-minute-long video

20:53

of them explaining it a little bit more

20:55

and why they got into it . And they said like

20:57

, oh , we're Christians and we just

20:59

see in the Bible that this is something that God

21:02

would want for us . We prayed about

21:04

it . And then he

21:06

starts talking and

21:09

it's so funny because the whole time he's talking , the wife looks

21:11

so disgusted and he's saying like , yeah

21:14

, so basically when it says the holy spirit

21:16

fills us , that's a sexual term

21:18

. And he's talking about when the sperm

21:20

goes into the woman . It goes up to her brain

21:22

and the dna , like I don't

21:25

even know , Like it was absolutely

21:27

, and the woman is just making the worst face .

21:30

As a trained scientist not

21:32

I can confirm everything that was being said .

21:34

What I've been through biology classes . I know TNA

21:36

does not go through the brain .

21:38

How does sperm get to the brain ? It doesn't , and how is there

21:40

not a bacterial infection ? But if you want , to

21:42

watch that .

21:43

it's on YouTube but the

21:45

whole episode is actually on YouTube , but it's

21:47

crazy and if you watch it you can just see

21:49

it just leads to awful things , dude

21:52

.

21:52

I just don't know the Holy Spirit aspect of that , how

21:54

he connected those two things .

21:55

That is , oh , dude there

21:59

was a spiritual force involved .

22:01

It just wasn't the Holy Spirit ultimately

22:03

, a lot of polygamy can come

22:06

down to people just wanting to sleep

22:08

with lots of other people , and

22:10

if you come from a religious background , they

22:12

try to dress it in Christian language

22:14

, biblical language . That's what

22:17

a lot of it comes down to . Is people

22:19

not being satisfied

22:21

with their spouse

22:24

? So , anyways , there is that .

22:25

Can I just go back on the record and just say again

22:28

, in case my wife ever hears this I love my wife

22:30

and only my wife .

22:31

Did you say you went into the rooms with the pineapple

22:34

on the cruise ? I

22:38

am ?

22:38

not a crook .

22:41

Alright , I appreciate Trent's clarification

22:44

and anyways

22:46

, there so again . Open marriages

22:48

, swinging polygamy throuples

22:51

it's just going to become more and

22:53

more prevalent . As people , they

22:56

try to satisfy the deepest

22:59

longings of the heart , and

23:01

the way they do that leads

23:03

them to self-destructive

23:05

tendencies , but they do . Ultimately

23:08

, we do want to find satisfaction and fulfillment

23:11

. We do want to find people who take

23:13

care of us and love us , but

23:15

sometimes the way we try to fill those needs

23:17

is not the healthiest .

23:19

Yeah and sorry . I just have one more thing to say . I

23:22

think also it's important to realize that God

23:24

knows what's best for us . He's the one who created

23:26

us . He knows how to best maximize

23:29

our joy in this life . And if he says that

23:31

two shall become one , then

23:33

that's what's going to bring us joy , not

23:36

introducing all the other things . So we could try and try and

23:38

try , but nothing else is going to satisfy

23:40

us like that .

23:41

That's a great ministry point . What

23:44

we try to satisfy us , we ultimately

23:46

need to point to God .

23:47

Ezekiel yes , you

23:51

brought up another point I was going to say of . Has anyone in here

23:53

ever been loved perfectly by another human being

23:56

?

23:56

Yes .

23:56

My mother is a saint .

23:59

I'm sure she is . I'm just saying like Zeke

24:01

, it's my love for you , yeah .

24:03

But I have .

24:06

I've never been loved perfectly , you catch another

24:08

human oh have I've never been loved perfectly .

24:10

You catch another human , oh damn it . Oh man , we'll have biology class soon . That's just what it comes

24:12

down to . If , like I can't imagine the thought process of , okay , my

24:14

me and my wife , like the person who goes

24:16

through polyamory , oh , me and my wife's relationship isn't

24:19

good enough for me , I know what'll help . Let's

24:21

add a third person bingo

24:23

, yeah , that's brilliant .

24:26

I can't imagine . I don't

24:29

know this is not

24:31

an anti relationship

24:33

spill , but I can't imagine being in more than one at once

24:36

as much as . I invest into

24:38

my wife , especially two kids . As

24:41

much as I invest , it's mentally

24:43

, physically and emotionally draining .

24:45

I can't imagine maybe that's why

24:47

they do that , just because you can like if you

24:49

you don't because think about it . If you have two things going

24:51

on at once , you really can't pour yourself

24:54

completely into those two things . Which

24:56

makes you worse at both , Exactly . So it's like

24:58

would you rather be stressed out on one

25:00

or just suck at two , but you're getting satisfied

25:03

.

25:03

No , I think I would rather be stressed out

25:05

about one .

25:05

I think I've figured out why polyamory works . Guys , I think

25:07

I just cracked the egg .

25:08

I think the reason is people are just horny

25:10

and they don't know how to control themselves .

25:11

Whoa , what did you just say ? We've got to bleep that out . You

25:13

said the H word .

25:14

I think that there's always hidden intentions . Like

25:17

if you go back and you watch that show that I was talking about

25:19

, the whole episode , it

25:23

kind of just another partner to do things

25:25

with and like wants to have kids because that

25:27

girl is younger , so he wants to have more kids through

25:29

her , um , but then the woman starts talking

25:31

about how like she can help around the house and like

25:33

all this stuff , and so I

25:35

don't think I don't know , I just don't

25:37

think it's centered around the right One

25:40

day when you have your mansion , do you will

25:42

?

25:42

you not want help around the house ?

25:44

I mean I would , but I would not get another , another

25:47

. No way , I'm not getting another wife what

25:49

about another husband ?

25:50

yeah , can you have another husband .

25:51

No , no

25:54

, I got enough to take care of hold on it's

25:57

always so weird , too , when you see polyamory

25:59

couples like they have this weird dynamic about

26:01

them . It's like cause I've watched a lot of

26:03

true crime shows and a lot of them like do like

26:05

a lot of murders happen with polyamory couples love

26:08

triangle , and it's always like if

26:10

if the partner that is , the one

26:12

that wants more partners tends

26:14

to be narcissistic , like

26:16

they tend to like . For instance , like there was a woman she

26:19

ended up having multiple partners and the one that the

26:21

first partner was like submissive

26:23

, like she had abused him to the point emotionally

26:26

that he was not going to leave

26:28

, so she was going to run around on him and

26:30

eventually , once she got done with him , he

26:32

she ended up killing him . Wow

26:34

, right , reverse opposite , the guy , once

26:36

he got done with his wife and

26:39

he was done with her , killed her . And

26:42

so it's like when you see those polyamorous

26:45

relationship couples and I used to live

26:47

across from a poly this was

26:49

wild . Okay , I just remember this

26:51

at the apartment that me and Justin

26:53

I'm not name dropping , but the apartment that me

26:55

and Justin and Drew used to live at there

26:57

was a couple .

26:59

A thruffle . There was a thruffle , my bad , there was a thruffle

27:01

.

27:02

One of the partners was a transgender male

27:05

or female to male , my

27:12

mind can't compute that they got . They got pregnant , the girl got pregnant , but there

27:14

was an act . There was a biological male , the

27:16

transgender , and then the woman and

27:18

we I mean obviously we could figure out who

27:20

who got her pregnant , but she

27:22

would say that the transgender was the biological

27:25

father and he was the stepdad

27:27

and I was like well , but

27:29

. But when I brought that up

27:31

because if you look at their dynamic , the

27:33

woman , the , the , the biological

27:36

female , she was very narcissistic

27:38

. It was her way , or the highway she would

27:40

pitch , she would throw temper tantrums Like

27:43

they cause a whole bunch of problems .

27:44

That's just nevermind , I'm sorry . No

27:47

, continue . What were you going to say ? Nope

27:49

?

27:50

Was it ? Is it against me or is ?

27:51

it just like nope nothing .

27:53

Continue , Okay , but but

27:55

it's just . I just noticed that a lot with these

27:57

poly , with these poly relationships

27:59

, If you look at the dynamic , it

28:01

tends to be a , how

28:03

Zeke says it's like , for lack of a better

28:06

word a horny narcissist , and that's how

28:08

it begins Like they begin

28:10

by wanting to open up the marriage

28:12

. And then they like just beat

28:14

down that partner long enough . And they're like okay , we're going

28:16

to open up the marriage because this is struggling , I'm not satisfied

28:18

, you're not satisfying me . And then that's

28:20

how it happens .

28:21

Bringing this full circle to where we started , back

28:23

to a foundation of where does this come

28:25

from and we talked about . There's examples

28:28

in the Bible and

28:34

I think that we could honestly use examples today of celebrities or just very wealthy

28:36

people who do things that we're like . I would never do

28:38

such thing and I hope that

28:41

we wouldn't , but I think it all comes

28:43

back down to is . I think there's a lot of things that

28:45

we would . We would say we would never do , but

28:50

if we had the power or the money or the resources to do it and we didn't have

28:52

Christ , I think there's a lot of things we would do .

28:54

Especially when hookup culture is celebrated right now

28:56

. Right exactly , Are we ?

28:58

in a sexual revolution , by the way . I

29:00

don't know .

29:01

We're in Nate's office , yeah .

29:02

Oh , my bad A

29:04

sexual revolution .

29:09

We're still going . A sexual ravioli From the 60s and

29:12

70s . We're still feeling the repercussions of

29:14

that . So kind of sort of . So we're not yet . But

29:16

all right , y'all Wrapping up this episode

29:18

. Does anyone want any last

29:21

word , last advice ? Wisdom , blake

29:23

, you always have something to say .

29:25

You know it's me on this one .

29:26

All right . Never

29:32

mind . I was going to quote one fish , two fish , but

29:34

never mind . Red fish , blue fish , yeah

29:36

, all right . With those profound

29:38

words we will close out the episode

29:41

Again . Dangerous Life team , with me Blake

29:43

Zeke . Chloe

29:45

also honorary member Trent

29:48

, who anyways who

29:50

loves his wife .

29:52

One more time , please , Abby , if you hear this I

29:54

love you .

29:56

Not suspicious at all that we keep having to say

29:58

that , but alright , only listeners be in poly

30:01

relationships and we just lost everybody on that one

30:03

. That would be very interesting

30:05

indeed . Alright , friends , until next time

30:07

. I will talk with you later .

30:09

Peace out Girl Scout .

30:46

Thank you .