This conversation is part of the series 'The Philosophy, Science, & Aesthetics of Food' ('Dare to know!' Philosophy Podcast). Today we are joined by Nicola Perullo. Nicola Perullo is a philosopher and Professor of Aesthetics at the University of Gastronomic Sciences in Pollenzo, Italy. His research focuses on the philosophical and aesthetic bases of food and taste. He was a pioneer in Italy of the Aesthetics of food and of gustatory taste. In the last eight years, his research has focused on proposing a participatory and implicative model of knowledge. One case for it was wine, chosen as an example to practice an ecological paradigm of appreciation. His books in English include ‘Taste as Experience: The Philosophy and Aesthetics of Food’ (Columbia, 2016) and ‘Epistenology: Wine as Experience’ (Columbia, 2020).