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Hey

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folks, welcome to the Dark

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Horse Podcast livestream number 216.

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Is that right? That is right. I

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am Dr. Brett Weinstein. You are Dr. Heather Heying. Do

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you know how far we are through winter? No.

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You don't? Really?

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We are 92.7% of the way through winter.

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I realize that's a little imprecise and

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you're big on precision. I

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am not big on precision. You're big

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on precision. I am big

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on accuracy. When you can get

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precision with accuracy, yay precision. But

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your half-assed approach to

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numbers is really getting into my

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skin. I don't know why. A

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sixth did not pretend to be

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precise and it wasn't precise, but it was

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accurate. But we are now 92.7% of the

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way and the reason I say that that is imprecise is because

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that is

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only to the nearest hour since

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I didn't know exactly when we'd be having this discussion.

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Yes you did. Well, not to the

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minute. Though I thought, I mean I

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thought about the half hour. I did. But

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I figured we'd leave it at the hour. That's good

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enough for government work. You didn't calculate anything, did you?

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No, I did. You borrowed this from people in the

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chat. That's actually... Not

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the case. I have my work

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here in the laboratory notebook, but

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I don't know what page it's on. Typical.

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So, you are aware, aren't you,

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that the equinox that is coming up

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in six short days on the 19th

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this year, the 19th of March... At two o'clock in

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the afternoon local time. I was just going to

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ask you if you were aware that there

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is actually a moment. It's not

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just a day, but a moment. And did you actually

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go back and look at exactly when the solstice was?

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Yes, I did it. I did

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it correctly. And yet you claim not to have done

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it to the hour. I could have

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done it. Oh, I did it to the hour.

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I didn't do it any more precisely than that

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because I didn't know where we would be. So

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we are... Where? Now you're

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coming to know where we would be. Well

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actually that's relevant too apparently. Well of course

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it is. What are you on some sort

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of different space-time continuum

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than the rest of us?

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Arguably. Arguably. Well,

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that's okay. But no, I figured the

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nearest hour was good enough. Frankly, I

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got the acknowledgement from

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you that you are arguably on

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a different space-time continuum than the rest of us. So

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I feel like... Feels like progress. If

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we both feel like we've won, that's good. Yes,

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exactly. We're one of us is incorrect. But either way,

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it's the feeling of having one that counts. Well

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actually that is a great segue. Today we're going to

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be talking about the WPATH files. It

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is a testament to how

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feelings in the moment can

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pass for science. And

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so we're going to go into that a fair bit today. Trigger

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warning, it is completely

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triggering what these people are doing to children

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and the auspices under

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which they're doing it. Yes. That

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is going to be a big part of what we're talking

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about today. Also just a little bit on amphibian milk because

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why not? Sure, sure. That

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all sounds good. And

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you're also just a mom about what

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you're going to bring to the table today. Yeah.

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For now. Okay.

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So lots of good stuff. We're doing a

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Q&A today after the livestream

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on locals only. Please go over to locals

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now. There's a watch party happening

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right now where people are calculating

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how far we are through winter and lots of

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more interesting stuff than that in

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fact. And

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yeah, locals is happening. Great

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Thank you. I'm

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going to share a bunch of

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bits from the WPATH files that came

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out earlier this month. But

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first, what is it? The

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WPATH files is a report written by Mia

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Hughes after

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Michael Schellenberger's organization on environmental progress was

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given a large set of internal WPATH

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files by anonymous whistleblowers. After

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those or that anonymous whistleblower, I'd

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seen his work, Schellenberg's work, on the

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Twitter files. Hughes

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then spent months interpreting and analyzing

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these files that they were given, the result

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being the report out, which also includes at

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the end all of those files received by Schellenberg. So

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I have spent considerable

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time with these files. It's quite long.

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It's many hundreds of pages. And I

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want to start by reading

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the first couple paragraphs in the executive summary and

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then going through a number of the screenshots and

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we can talk about anything as

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we're going through. So if you would

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share my screen and then you can

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leave my screen shared unless

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my computer... Yes. Oh,

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no, sorry. Yes. Leave

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my screen shared as

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we go through this. So this is what it

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looks like, the WPATH file, pseudoscientific

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surgical and hormonal experiments on children,

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adolescents and vulnerable adults. Again,

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published under the banner

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of environmental progress, which is

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Schellenberg's organization. It's tagline

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being nature, peace and freedom for all. You

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can see table of contents quite

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in depth. And then, you know,

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her report is a mere 72

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pages, but the WPATH files themselves

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extend to several hundred pages.

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And here, the executive summary, just to

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explain just to frame what we're talking about. The

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World Professional Association for Transgender Health,

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that's WPATH, enjoys

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the reputation of being the leading scientific and

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medical organization devoted to transgender healthcare.

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WPATH is globally recognized as being at the

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forefront of gender medicine. However, throughout

15:45

this report, we will show that the opposite is

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true. Newly released files from

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WPATH's internal messaging forum, as well as

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a leaked internal panel discussion, demonstrate

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that the world leading transgender healthcare group

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is neither scientific nor advocating for ethical

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medical care. These internal communication... revealed

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that WPATH advocates for many So

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this is

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from one of the people engaged

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in discussion in internal documents

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at WPATH that they never expected to be

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leaked. So

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this is a so-called healthcare provider.

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But this is not, when you

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say document, this is a part

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of a discussion that took place

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on an internal server, is that

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right? Yeah. And,

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yeah, they're

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like, no, I just found this, you know, wonderful partner

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and now we're kids and da, da, da. So

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I think, you know, it doesn't surprise me, but I

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don't know still what to do for the 14-year-olds. The

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parents have it on their minds, but the 14-year-olds,

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you just – it's like talking with diabetic complications

17:20

with a 14-year-old. They don't care. They're not going

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to die. They're going to live forever, right? So

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I think when we're doing informed consent, I

17:28

know that that's still a big lacuna of that we're just – we do it.

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We try to talk about it, but most of the kids are

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nowhere in any kind of a brain space to really, really talk

17:36

about it in a serious way. That's always bothered

17:38

me, but, you know, we still want the

17:40

kids to be happy, happier in the moment,

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right? So this is

17:44

in some ways a weird place to start because it's obviously

17:47

in the middle of a conversation in which so-called

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healthcare providers are discussing whether or

17:52

not the children, the

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early teenagers, who are getting

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put on puberty blockers and sometimes

17:59

cross-dement, sex hormones and sometimes

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having surgical interventions, all

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of which have long term effects including

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loss of fertility, can

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actually engage in informed consent.

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And I put this at the top here even though

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it's obviously in the middle of a discussion and

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most of these screenshots are actually Mia Hughes'

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interpretations, analyses of the actual words and

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so they're not quite so meandering

18:27

as this. But one of the

18:29

themes that shows up for me as I go

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through these files is the idea

18:34

on the part of the so-called health

18:36

care practitioners that what they're trying to

18:38

do is increase happiness

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in these young people. That

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happiness, being happy, being happier

18:45

in the moment is the goal

18:48

which strikes me as right

18:51

away, right off the bat, an

18:54

indication that these are not serious

18:56

people and that they don't

18:58

understand what humans are and they don't understand

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what adolescence is or what

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it might be to live in the body

19:05

of a 14-year-old who is undergoing adolescence as

19:08

everyone who's older than 14 has done and

19:11

recognize that actually there are going to

19:13

be many moments when happiness is probably

19:15

not your dominant emotion. And

19:17

furthermore that that is okay. So

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a couple things to add. One,

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obviously I'm not telling you anything

19:26

you don't know, but the idea

19:28

of focusing on happiness is, I

19:30

mean it's why you're starting here,

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it's such a terrible red flag

19:34

in terms of the

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abandonment of wisdom here because

19:41

first of all what is happiness? It's

19:44

an internal immediate reward and

19:46

I have, as

19:49

I've taken up arms against things

19:51

like entertainment. Happiness

19:55

is also something I've more or less

19:57

abandoned the pursuit of because it's not

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a good proxy for what you're actually

20:02

shooting for. Satisfaction over a long term

20:04

makes much more sense than pursuing happiness.

20:06

Happiness is nice, but it's so it's

20:09

an instantaneous measure of something where you're really

20:11

looking for the area under the curve. But

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the point is happiness is supposed

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to cause you to detect

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that you've accomplished something so that you

20:21

can build out from that thing that

20:23

you've accomplished. And if you instead have

20:25

a doctor who is seeking

20:27

to make you happy for electing

20:30

to do something radical

20:33

to your body over which it's

20:35

not like you're learning to do surgery

20:37

and doing it on yourself. Somebody you're

20:39

being rewarded for somebody else's business model

20:43

and what is that going to produce? It's

20:45

not like this is something you can go and

20:47

do again and again. So the whole idea that

20:49

happiness is something you're shooting for is

20:52

creating a developmental circuit that's

20:54

beyond useless. It's you're gonna

20:56

be chasing that ability

20:58

to create happiness and it doesn't you

21:01

know it was ephemeral and wrong-headed in the first

21:03

place and unlikely to be a model

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for anything in the future. Precisely.

21:10

Okay so

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that's that's from page 194 of the WPATH

21:15

files. Next screenshot is

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from page 209 in

21:20

which a clinician by

21:23

the name of Dan Metzger says again

21:25

this is sort of you know meandering

21:27

language because it's from this internal discussion

21:30

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21:32

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21:34

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21:36

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21:38

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21:40

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21:42

you're 13 you don't know everything. I don't

21:45

expect to know everything and this is like a journey and you're

21:47

gonna take us you know we're coming along for the ride.

21:49

The we're coming along for the ride there means

21:51

that the clinicians are coming along for the ride

21:54

that they're putting the children on. All right they

21:56

can get off in the children camps. Exactly. continues.

22:00

And you know, we start this. So this is actually, this

22:02

is, this is not from a discussion board.

22:04

This is a clip, this is a transcription of

22:06

the video clip that they were given. And

22:09

you know, we start this, it doesn't mean you have to continue, it

22:11

doesn't mean you have to go up every single time you come, I'm

22:13

going to ask you what you want to do with

22:16

your hormones. Are you happy where they are? Again,

22:18

with a happiness, right? And kids do

22:20

shift with time. A lot of the,

22:22

particularly the non-binary kids think that they want to

22:24

be initially more, and I think they

22:26

should be, mascellarized than they

22:28

want, than they end up wanting to be. And

22:31

they find that there's a happy dose that's gotten rid

22:33

of their periods or whatever, and that they're happy on

22:35

that dose. And they don't necessarily want to push forward as

22:37

they had thought that they might at the beginning. So I

22:39

think it's important that you just lay that out right at

22:41

the beginning. A couple

22:43

of points here, why this is coming up. Again, with the

22:45

focus on happiness, it just comes up over and over again.

22:48

I think this is the only two places that I

22:50

point to it specifically. But if you read through

22:52

the files, you see it coming up a lot. But

22:55

also this, this, this reveals like,

22:57

oh, we're just trying to get

23:00

you to a place where you feel

23:02

instantaneously, exactly, comfortable with your body. And

23:04

in this case, you're talking about 13

23:06

and a half year old girls who

23:09

are beginning to go through menses,

23:12

who apparently for some of them,

23:14

the overriding desire they have is just make

23:16

the menses stop. Just make the

23:18

menstruation stop. And any

23:21

woman who has gone through this

23:23

has definitely had the experience of like, I

23:25

don't like this. This isn't fun.

23:27

This isn't what I want. And the idea

23:29

that the doctors are coming to them and

23:31

saying, Oh, you don't like that? We

23:34

got a solution for you. It's

23:36

they're not even pretending that these

23:39

people are desperately

23:42

miserable because they feel that

23:45

this shouldn't be happening to

23:47

them. Because somehow their

23:49

bodies are out of sync with their mind,

23:52

a highly questionable conclusion anyway.

23:54

But this is now gone

23:57

on beyond that any justification

24:00

to medicalize people so that

24:02

they can bring their current

24:04

discomfort into some

24:07

kind of alignment with what they view themselves

24:09

as being, which in the case of newly

24:12

pubescent girls is this never happened to me

24:14

before, therefore I'd like this not to happen

24:16

to me now. This is

24:18

what these clinicians are doing to these children. Yeah,

24:22

it's insane. And

24:24

it's such a betrayal of

24:26

the idea of with, right,

24:31

you've got kids

24:34

in general. We go back to

24:37

the pre-madness world, and maybe it's always

24:39

been a little mad, but we

24:41

go back to the pre-madness world where people did grow

24:43

up into adults and they were

24:47

switching genders all the time and all of this. That

24:50

world is one in which you grow

24:53

into somebody who is, I wanna say this

24:55

carefully, who

25:01

is worthy of the attention of

25:03

the adult world, right?

25:05

And it's not to say that we

25:07

should not pay attention to kids, but

25:09

it's to say it's very rare that

25:11

somebody very young has something important enough

25:13

to say that adults should be paying

25:15

attention in some large scale.

25:19

This, you

25:21

can imagine for a kid who's adrift in trying to

25:23

figure out what is the way that they're gonna make

25:26

their mark in the world, that

25:29

suddenly having the focus of adults saying, well,

25:31

and how do you feel now? And how

25:33

do you feel now compared to last week?

25:36

That the obsession of these highly trained adults

25:38

and what you happen to be feeling this

25:40

week. Are you happy with the dose we have now? We

25:42

could tinker that a little bit. Tell me exactly how you feel.

25:45

So that is an unnatural state.

25:47

And to have highly trained adults

25:49

tuned in to your fluctuations

25:52

as you try to figure out how to

25:54

be a human being is unnatural.

25:57

And of course not every kid is gonna.

25:59

like that, but a bunch of them are

26:01

going to like that. And the

26:04

idea, you know, it's going to feel to a

26:06

kid who doesn't really get yet what life is

26:08

about, it's going to feel like, oh, this is

26:10

a good path when in fact, what

26:12

this is going to end in is somebody's going to pick

26:14

some level of change to

26:17

your body, and then it ends. It

26:19

will feel like a centering

26:21

of self. And as the

26:24

WP path files reveal, so

26:26

many of these kids who end up down

26:28

this path that is encouraged by these fraudulent

26:32

clinicians have many

26:34

comorbidities. And they're

26:36

generally mental health diagnoses. And

26:40

the idea that they have found in declaring

26:43

themselves trans a way

26:46

to be the center of attention for

26:48

people who claim to know what is

26:50

best for them, it's going to be

26:52

the rare person who's already wrestling with

26:55

other demons who says, no, not that.

26:58

I'm going to go wrestle with my demons alone

27:00

in a corner. When these clinicians

27:02

are trying themselves

27:04

out as if they are

27:06

experts, as if this is science, which

27:09

is exactly, you know, Hughes's argument throughout

27:11

these files, this is not science. These

27:13

people are not experts. This is pseudoscience, and

27:15

they're making it up as they go along,

27:18

but they don't tell the children that. And

27:21

then the children end up harmed for

27:23

life. All right, here's a

27:26

something else to think about. We

27:30

have talked many times about the Milgram experiment. I don't

27:32

think we've talked about it in this context. The

27:35

Milgram experiment took

27:37

individuals and

27:39

put them in the role

27:41

of ordering sadistic and in

27:43

fact medically dangerous activity on

27:45

the part of study subjects,

27:48

shocking an individual to the

27:50

point of death. And

27:53

what they brought to the table that

27:55

caused the subject individuals to follow the

27:57

orders was a lab coat. you

28:00

have the equivalent of somebody in a lab

28:02

coat talking to... So my real question is,

28:06

adults pass the Milgram experiment rarely,

28:08

like 10% or something. Yeah. Of

28:10

adults pass the Milgram experiment until

28:13

the pseudo-experimenter to go fuck themselves rather than

28:15

shocking somebody to the point of injury

28:17

and death. What fraction

28:20

of children? Faced with, you

28:22

know, not even a kid in a

28:24

lab coat. They're a child faced with

28:26

an adult who has an advanced degree,

28:29

probably is wearing a literal lab coat,

28:31

and is talking to them about the particulars

28:33

of how they feel. How many children would

28:35

pass the Milgram experiment rather than, oh doctor,

28:38

you think I really am in

28:40

the wrong body? Like, it seems to me

28:42

highly likely that most children

28:44

wouldn't pass it, and especially

28:46

kids who have some sort of mental

28:48

health disruption. So that's

28:51

precisely right. All

28:55

right, let's go to the

28:57

third of these. This is from page

29:01

30 of the WPATH files,

29:03

dismantling guardrails. This

29:06

is Hughes's language. WPATH's

29:08

aversion to caution and dislike of psychiatric

29:10

gatekeeping is evident in the files. In

29:12

an undated thread, a psychotherapist expressed her

29:15

dissatisfaction with the group regarding a surgeon's

29:17

requirement of two referral letters from her

29:19

before amputating the healthy breasts of

29:21

a 17-year-old girl. To

29:23

the psychotherapist, this seemed like extra,

29:25

extra gatekeeping. The

29:28

letters appear to be a little more than a

29:30

formality for insurance purposes, but in the replies, a

29:32

therapist suggested the reason could be that the insurance

29:34

company wanted evidence that the quote status of the

29:36

client had not changed over time. However,

29:39

the rest of the replies are a chorus

29:41

of agreement that the request is unnecessary gatekeeping,

29:43

with one even suggesting reporting the insurer

29:45

to the local state regulator, quote, for

29:48

their clinically unsound coverage determination requirements,

29:50

end quote. A

29:52

Florida non-binary counselor with they-them pronouns

29:55

replied, offering her services. She

29:57

told the therapist that she provides consultation specifically

30:00

regarding letter writing. If

30:02

you're interested in consultation with a provider of lived

30:04

experience I'm happy to chat further said the counselor.

30:06

I've written quite a few second letters and I've written

30:08

letters for minors as well. So

30:12

here we have the financial

30:15

incentives. This is it's it's

30:17

not just the pharmaceutical companies that are

30:19

making customers for life

30:22

by encouraging people you

30:24

know the puberty blockers aren't for life

30:26

but the grass-stack hormones are and then

30:29

if they go into surgery they have

30:31

a bunch more drugs that they're going to be on

30:33

for life. But

30:36

there's a whole cottage industry

30:38

around what is going

30:40

on here where you've got a

30:42

Florida non-binary counselor with they

30:44

them pronouns who

30:46

knows what their background is they presumably

30:48

don't need to know anything they probably

30:51

don't actually need to jump through any

30:53

hoops legitimate or not in

30:56

order to present themselves as I

30:58

will write that second letter if

31:01

what you need is a second letter in

31:03

order to get a surgeon to sign off

31:05

on chopping off the healthy breasts of a

31:07

17 year old. Yeah

31:10

I mean so much of this verges

31:13

into the question of sophistry

31:16

it's like a sophistry industry

31:18

where an individual can plant

31:20

themselves in the position of

31:22

writing quote-unquote second letters let's

31:24

suppose 99 out of a

31:26

hundred clinicians think

31:28

it would be absurd to chop this

31:30

person's breasts off because

31:33

there's nothing about their psychological state that suggests

31:35

that that's going to make them better off

31:38

and one person has decided I'm the

31:40

person who believes wholeheartedly in this and

31:42

I will write those second letters the point

31:44

is that what they're doing has nothing to do

31:46

with the patient and I don't I

31:49

don't think there's any reason to suspect

31:51

that the people writing those letters

31:53

need to believe wholeheartedly in anything

31:55

except their own income like

31:57

you're not you're not going to write these letters for free

32:00

you're going to charge for them and

32:03

you needn't wholeheartedly believe in anything at all in

32:05

order to put you know hang out a shingle

32:07

that says we'll write second letters in order

32:09

to get your you know the kids breasts

32:12

cut off yeah all

32:14

it takes is willingness to engage

32:16

in barbarism to facilitate barbarism and

32:19

if you allow a system like this

32:21

to exist the chances that there's somebody

32:23

defective enough to do

32:26

the job of becoming a full-time second

32:28

letter writer in exchange

32:30

for money what are the chances that in a you

32:33

know a cohort of professionals

32:35

that somebody will be sociopathic

32:40

enough to decide that that's a good way to

32:42

make a living it's easy the letters are all

32:44

the same you swap in you know yeah stop

32:46

into some boilerplate and voila it's a

32:48

you know it's a pretty good racket

32:51

somebody comes dream yeah somebody will adopt

32:53

that racket and so the fact of

32:55

there being a second letter means nothing

32:57

right literally nothing right exactly

33:02

okay let's see

33:05

screenshot for this is from this is

33:07

again the a hueses language in

33:10

the past the emphasis on autonomy in medical ethics

33:12

was meant to act as a shield there were

33:14

things a doctor could not do to you without your

33:16

consent nowadays and especially

33:18

in gender medicine autonomy acts as a

33:20

sword in its name there is nothing

33:22

a doctor may deny you the consumer

33:24

driven model of autonomy involves giving the patient

33:27

whatever he or she wants so long

33:29

as certain criteria are met the clinician

33:31

is technically capable of doing it the

33:33

patient wants it for whatever reason it's

33:35

legal and the patient can pay for it and

33:39

when when Mia lays

33:41

it out this way with this with this crisp

33:44

clarity this is Mia speaking this

33:46

is Mia speaking this is yeah

33:50

it becomes clear why

33:52

we you know the

33:55

vast majority of people who

33:57

frankly either can see quite clearly or know

34:00

that there's something wrong with Well

34:21

at a societal level, the

34:24

horses have left the barn with regard to technical

34:26

capability, unfortunately, you know, we

34:29

are still learning and we'll be learning

34:31

for unfortunately many many many years

34:33

to come just how dangerous these technical

34:35

capacities are. But we

34:38

have the technical capacity to block puberty

34:40

and to give cross sex hormones and

34:42

to chop off healthy breasts and, you

34:44

know, kind of kind of sort of

34:47

to do so called bottom surgery. The

34:50

patient will want it regardless of

34:52

what society says the patient's ability

34:55

to pay for it is outside of

34:57

our scope and so that leaves only one of

34:59

these four criteria as Mia lays it out with

35:02

this new model of sort of

35:04

patient autonomy above all, which is

35:06

legality. Which is precisely

35:08

why so so many people

35:10

now are saying this this

35:12

should not be allowed even

35:14

those of us who would who

35:17

would increasingly say, oh my God, you know, medical

35:19

freedom. You know, we need to allow things. But

35:21

actually, when you're talking about interventions that are brand

35:23

new and that are known to have diabolical costs,

35:26

it would appear to be the only way in to

35:28

stop it. So, I wanted to actually, I

35:31

think what we have here is another case of

35:35

everything is done through double standards

35:38

when some mysterious force wants something to

35:40

become impossible for you to access. It

35:43

can drive the standard beyond anything that

35:45

is attainable and when it wants it

35:47

to be made available to everyone, it

35:49

can eliminate the standard entirely. And it

35:52

doesn't notice that it is actually advocating

35:54

for those two things, or maybe it just

35:56

doesn't care. But for example, if

35:58

we look at what happened. to

36:00

ivermectin during the COVID crisis,

36:03

whatever the nature of that crisis was. The

36:08

evidence that supposedly said that

36:11

ivermectin did not work for COVID was

36:13

not apparently sufficient to convince doctors not

36:15

to prescribe it. It was a prescription

36:17

medicine in the United States. So

36:19

they interfered at the pharmacy, which

36:21

was a highly unusual thing to

36:24

do. In fact, I think unprecedented. Yes,

36:26

they blocked the ability of people to

36:28

fill prescriptions that doctors

36:30

had written for them. And so the point is, well, here

36:32

you've got a doctor authorized to

36:34

prescribe drugs off label if they think it's

36:36

a good idea, which is part of what

36:39

medicine is about is that the doctor has

36:41

access to tools and they have a lot

36:43

more information than some arbitrary checklist

36:45

written by a government

36:47

bureaucrat somewhere. But

36:51

the point is they could prevent you from getting it

36:53

by interrupting it there. And then here we have the

36:55

inversion of that, which is, well, there's a thing we

36:57

can do if the patient wants it. Who are we

36:59

to say no? And, you

37:01

know, of course you would want the inverse, the

37:03

idea of... It's us to say no if they

37:05

can't afford it. But if they

37:07

come with a checkbook, then who are we to say

37:10

no? Right. Of course, the

37:13

folks who are profiting by mutilating children

37:16

under this rubric are,

37:18

of course, influencing the mechanisms that

37:20

can pay on the patient's behalf.

37:23

Precisely. Right. That's part of

37:25

why they phrase this stuff as,

37:27

you know, affirmative care. Affirmative care.

37:29

Yes. Yeah. Affirmative

37:33

care, precisely. Okay.

37:36

Next one. This is from... This is

37:38

again from the part that Mia has

37:40

written based on her analysis of the

37:43

whistleblower files that were given to Shellenberger. So this

37:47

is Hughes's analysis. There

37:49

were plenty of examples of improvisation in

37:51

our leaked panel discussion as well, where

37:53

Dr. Cecile Ferrando, a surgeon, tells the

37:55

assembled WPATH members that she experiments with

37:57

underdosing natal females with testosterone.

38:00

She explains that these females desire cessation

38:02

of menses, but not virilization. Ferondo

38:05

added that these young women in their 20s err

38:07

on the masculine side of the spectrum, but don't

38:09

want to be fully masculinized. A

38:11

gender surgeon tells the group that her experimental use

38:14

of a Schedule III controlled substance improves the young

38:16

women's state of being. So

38:18

this is very much like one of the

38:20

earlier screenshots, but

38:23

in which it is being

38:25

quite explicitly stated that what

38:27

the doctors, in this case

38:29

a surgeon, are

38:31

doing is not even

38:35

what it is that we have been told, which

38:38

is to say believing

38:40

in a fiction in which human

38:42

females can turn into human males or

38:44

vice versa, but actually

38:47

trying to create a sort of

38:49

bespoke human future in which you

38:51

can be whatever you want, we're

38:53

just going to titrate the hormones to

38:55

your satisfaction. And

38:57

that is about

38:59

as dystopian a future as I can

39:01

imagine. Yeah, I mean, think about where this

39:04

actually goes, right? Okay, so we

39:07

can imagine that there are

39:09

women who will want to titrate

39:11

in testosterone in order to modify

39:13

how they present the world or

39:15

what their strengths are. What

39:19

can't be titrated? Can

39:21

they turn off your conscience? It might make you more

39:23

successful in business. Are we going to tolerate that? Probably

39:27

shouldn't, right? That does not suggest a

39:29

world that we're going to want to live in. That's

39:32

going to be a world that would have

39:34

to be tightly regulated in order to prevent

39:36

people from acting on those. Let's just file

39:38

the oxytocin down. It feels like you're

39:40

too nice. But

39:43

it also presumes

39:45

that these hormones are just

39:47

on-off switches, which we know

39:50

they're not. We know that

39:52

many of these hormones, oxytocin

39:55

especially among them, but also the

39:57

sextaroid hormones, the estrogens, the

40:00

androgens, including testosterone, do

40:03

different things under different circumstances. They

40:06

are not simply a add this and

40:08

you add x, you will get y

40:10

result. They're not like that. But

40:13

they are being treated like that by the doctors who

40:15

are giving them to their

40:17

so-called patients. And the

40:19

patients understand that to be how

40:21

hormones work, which is part of why we had

40:23

the lie, which is now beginning to be dismantled

40:25

for so many years, of puberty blockers

40:27

are reversible, just go off of them. That's

40:30

not the way development works. That's not the way

40:33

time works. That's not the way mammal anatomy and

40:35

physiology works. That's not the way any of it

40:37

works. But all you had to

40:39

do was say the thing because it's a simpler,

40:41

it's simple, it's understandable, it's

40:44

completely wrong. But you can take

40:46

that away if you are a

40:48

13-year-old or an 18-year-old or

40:50

a 28-year-old, honestly, a parent of

40:52

a young person, and say, oh, well,

40:55

doctor assures me these are fully reversible,

40:57

so why not? Just give them time

40:59

to think. No, you

41:01

do that. And

41:04

you are going to change things forever.

41:07

And for many people, they

41:10

will be able to recover and

41:12

live lives that are full and

41:15

fulfilling. But there will be changes

41:17

forever if you block puberty, even for a

41:19

short period of time. Yeah,

41:22

it makes several of the errors that we point

41:24

to in an extreme form

41:26

that is rare to see. One

41:28

is this is not a complicated

41:30

system. These are complex systems. So

41:33

to take one of

41:35

what must be thousands of different flaws

41:39

in their reasoning, at the point that

41:41

you start jacking up or down a

41:43

hormone, the body is likely to alter

41:46

the number of receptors. And

41:48

so what that means is they're creating

41:51

an addicted pathology because

41:53

they will have adjusted the system

41:56

itself. And

41:58

this is a totally predictable fact. It

42:00

works in their favor with respect

42:02

to creating customers for

42:04

life. It creates dependency. Right.

42:07

And the other thing,

42:10

I think the Cartesian crisis is going to

42:12

ultimately leave all of us who are attempting

42:15

to think through things stuttering

42:17

without the ability to find words

42:19

because what we are

42:21

facing is such a preposterous violation of

42:24

principles which are delicate

42:26

and subtle and hard to state but

42:29

nonetheless govern our lives. But

42:32

the, you are

42:34

a dynamic system. Development

42:38

is a special state of that

42:41

dynamic system in which the system

42:43

discovers how to be something new.

42:45

It discovers how to go from

42:47

being a child without responsibilities to

42:49

an adult on which responsibilities

42:52

right up through life and death

42:54

can rest. How do

42:56

you get there? Hundreds

42:59

of different feedbacks in which

43:01

the mind and the body

43:04

discover what doesn't quite work

43:06

and adjust it in tandem.

43:08

You start dumping potent

43:10

chemicals like testosterone on

43:13

that system and not

43:15

only are you disrupting the functioning of

43:17

the system, you are disrupting the fundamental

43:19

capacity of that system to go from

43:22

a state of not very functional to

43:24

highly functional. You are taking over responsibility

43:26

for making it functional and how much

43:28

do you know about how to make it functional? Nothing.

43:32

That's exactly right. And

43:35

I would say over in a less politically

43:38

fraught part

43:40

of the hormonal universe, we

43:43

are now coming to understand something

43:45

very similar with regard to melatonin. Like

43:49

melatonin is a hormone. Is

43:52

it just one? Or does it

43:54

in its different forms do

43:56

very, very different things in the body? Militoning

44:00

which is what is what is measured when it

44:02

is measured in people and what

44:04

is affected when you when you pop a melatonin

44:06

pill May not actually be

44:09

the thing that matters Nearly

44:11

as much as we have thought

44:13

as the subcellular melatonin subcellular melatonin,

44:16

which is produced by

44:18

Exposure of your body

44:20

to infrared light near

44:22

and far and where do you get that

44:24

you get that by being outside? At

44:27

almost any time of day you get it

44:29

from fire light you get it from moonlight You

44:31

certainly get it from sunlight, but we're not

44:33

talking about the UV part of the spectrum But the infrared part

44:35

of the spectrum produces creates

44:38

subcellular melatonin, which is actually

44:40

not only a modulator

44:43

of things like mood and sleep but

44:45

also a potent antioxidant

44:49

and Popping you pop

44:51

all the melatonin you want and

44:53

it doesn't affect your subcellular melatonin What

44:55

do you want to do to affect

44:57

your subcellular melatonin go outside like

44:59

get outside already, right? So it's

45:03

very much like that and like we're allowed

45:05

to talk about that without people coming after

45:07

us because I Don't

45:09

know the melatonin Lobby isn't that strong

45:12

people? you know, it's relatively easy to

45:14

wean yourself off of the pills that

45:17

are melatonin and It

45:19

doesn't seem to leave a Lasting

45:21

disability the way the the

45:24

gender activism is but

45:27

You know, let's just apply that thinking

45:30

over into sex steroids and all the

45:32

other hormonal messings that we're doing and

45:34

go, huh Maybe we don't

45:36

know as much as we think so I

45:38

wanted to use this If

45:41

we look back at history there's our

45:44

ancestors evolved outside Obviously

45:47

the ability to live inside allows us

45:49

to live in habitats where living outside

45:51

isn't really even conceivable or

45:54

homosapiens But

45:57

if at the point that somebody comes up

45:59

with way to live indoors. Somebody

46:02

had been like

46:05

a pretty good idea from one perspective, but we don't

46:07

know how this is going to affect

46:10

various systems of the body, right? What

46:12

we've discovered, what you've just said, another

46:14

way to phrase it would be that

46:16

your complex adaptive living

46:19

system is actually in

46:21

a delicate interplay

46:23

relationship with a universe in

46:25

which there is a strongly

46:28

oscillating exposure to

46:31

far-infrared light. So

46:34

that... All infrared, not just far. Near

46:37

in particular actually. And in

46:39

fact it's not even just infrared. If

46:41

we extend it across the electromagnetic spectrum,

46:43

you are in this relationship

46:45

with your star and your exposure

46:47

to it is altered in a

46:50

highly regular but not perfectly regular

46:52

way by the way the globe

46:55

rotates and that of course is

46:57

something that natural selection

46:59

has picked up on and

47:01

it is now using it

47:03

as both a productive methodology

47:05

for vitamin D and things

47:07

downstream of it like melatonin,

47:09

intracellular melatonin, intracellular

47:11

melatonin, but it is also

47:14

using it as a cue to what time of

47:16

day it is and

47:18

therefore the interplay between you

47:20

know the vitamin D,

47:23

not a great term, right? Melatonin,

47:26

hormone, not a great term.

47:29

Right. Your circadian rhythms,

47:31

maybe that's a defensible term, but

47:33

the point is all of these

47:35

things are more complex and more

47:37

interrelated than we are capable of

47:39

stating. So that's not a problem.

47:42

It's early in biology. Why? Because

47:44

biology is so darn complex. There's

47:47

Nothing wrong with it being beyond our ability

47:49

to say it. What's wrong is when you

47:52

walk into one of these systems and you

47:54

imagine that you know enough to tinker to

47:56

improve a healthy individual. The Fact is, we

47:59

didn't know any. Enough to go

48:01

indoors. right? We didn't know how

48:03

much damage we would do to ourselves by

48:05

going indoors. We didn't know how much damage

48:08

we would do to ourselves by putting glass

48:10

in our windows. We didn't We don't know

48:12

how much damage we do to ourselves by

48:14

slipping on light switches where the bulb is

48:16

built to be elected electrically efficient rather than

48:19

to put out a useful spectrum of light.

48:21

From the point of view of all things

48:23

are sorts of things other than your eyes

48:25

to. All of these are places in which

48:27

you would think, come on, You're. Telling

48:30

me a light bulb is dangerous. That

48:32

footing on a light switches dangerous. Yeah,

48:34

I'm telling you it. Maybe he knows

48:36

you. Telling me that going inside because

48:38

it's cold out might be dangerous. Yeah,

48:40

it could well be. You don't know

48:42

what relationship you have with your natural

48:44

system and so we ought to be

48:46

a it's. It's the precautionary

48:48

principle and tested and spends all the

48:50

way down. We. Keep missing this

48:52

and in this case, you've got this.

48:57

You've got a case

48:59

of our blindness to

49:01

the danger of abandoning

49:03

the precautionary principle. I'm

49:05

on staring hard. Precisely.

49:12

More from the Debbie Pats are points.

49:14

Ah again on autonomy Mrs again me

49:16

as users analysis of the files are

49:18

given to them. W

49:21

Pathways is a high value on patient autonomy

49:23

and a low value on. Minimizing potential

49:25

harm. Or rather a

49:27

conceptual Isis harm as in do no

49:30

harm as unfulfilled. Consumer desires.

49:33

In Twenty Twenty Two, the aforementioned activists

49:35

professor who believes developmentally delayed miners are

49:37

to be allowed to consent to life

49:39

altering experimental hormones and surgeries posted on

49:42

the forum in defense of quote trans

49:44

people whose embodiment goes to not sit

49:46

down and expectations such as those who

49:48

want quote mastectomies without nipples the said

49:50

to me for people who don't want

49:53

press from estrogen and vagina preserving fellow

49:55

classes. But those of

49:57

you not sure about what is being said,

49:59

these. Would be people

50:01

who are hoping to have both sets

50:04

of genitals. One

50:06

of which is a complete construct

50:08

and doesn't actually bare almost any

50:11

resemblance to the real thing. The

50:14

professor who was previously described Quote Trans

50:16

Embodiment as a free form, artistic expression

50:18

of gender and Quote and believes teenagers

50:20

should have the right to treat their

50:22

body like quote. A gendered art piece

50:25

and Quote demonstrates the flawed beliefs held

50:27

within W Pass been claiming that transgender

50:29

health care is about creating bodies that

50:31

quote challenge. Ces normative. It is.

50:35

Now. That's a lot of. The

50:37

ideological doublespeak I'm

50:39

but. Assist Normative

50:41

It he is a term

50:43

invented by. The Trans Activists

50:46

Brigade. Just

50:48

like trans folks. To make

50:50

it seem. To people who aren't paying a

50:52

lot of attention. Like there is

50:55

some kind of errant like

50:57

in error. Ah, there is

50:59

the expectation That and. Walking

51:03

around the World as the sex

51:05

that you actually are is a

51:07

normative police and one that we

51:09

can get beyond. If only. We

51:11

were enlightened and us the

51:13

other the other common place

51:15

that that suffix normative it

51:17

he shows up his and

51:20

federal normative etti were. Again,

51:23

the to the queer activists will

51:25

claim that it is only a

51:27

result of. Art. Patriarchal.

51:32

This. had her own normative past,

51:35

Ah, In which every single one.

51:37

Of our ancestors as a result of a

51:39

man and a. woman i'm

51:41

getting together and having kids ah

51:44

that that thing that i just

51:46

said is itself she'll probably an

51:48

act of violence but not reality

51:51

it is because my bizarre belief

51:53

based on ah these normative values

51:56

that we have come to have

51:58

been that I have come to

52:00

believe probably because I have

52:03

internalized misogyny or something. I

52:06

can't even see it clearly. It's so insane.

52:09

This is what I'm saying about we're all going to

52:11

be produced to... Babylagus. Yeah. ...

52:13

unable to find the words to describe just

52:15

how insane things have become. But I

52:18

also think, maybe I'm just wrong,

52:20

if I'd known we were going here, maybe I would

52:22

have done a little looking into

52:24

the etymology. I also think there's a

52:26

trick in the

52:28

cisheteronormativity claim,

52:31

a linguistic trick. The

52:34

trick is that normativity does

52:37

not mean normalcy, but

52:39

to a naive person or

52:42

to somebody who has not studied in the

52:44

area of philosophy that would tell you that,

52:47

it sounds like it means

52:49

normalcy. And so here's

52:51

what I think is happening. The

52:55

claim that society

52:58

was heteronormative means

53:01

that society judged people for

53:04

being gay. And

53:06

we can talk all day

53:08

about what the reality was, but it

53:10

is certainly a viable position to say

53:12

that that was incorrect. And it

53:14

is not fair to judge people for being gay. For

53:16

one thing, gay seems to be something that happens

53:18

to you. So judging

53:21

people for it is an absurdity. But

53:24

if you say, ah, well, we've all

53:26

gotten over heteronormativeness, and

53:29

what that sounds like to people is we've gotten over

53:31

the idea that hetero is normal, well,

53:34

no, it's perfectly normal and the

53:36

most usual state by far. Wikipedia,

53:41

which is unreliable in

53:44

many ways, and I hate going there at

53:46

all anymore, in part because of

53:48

the slanderous things they have written about us. But

53:52

on this topic, what they

53:54

have to say is normative generally means

53:56

relating to an evaluative standard. Normativity

53:59

is the phenomenon. on human societies of

54:01

designating some actions or outcomes as good,

54:03

desirable, or permissible, and others as bad,

54:05

undesirable, or impermissible. A norm

54:07

in the sense means a standard for evaluating or

54:10

making judgments about behavior or outcomes. Normative

54:12

is sometimes also used somewhat confusingly to

54:15

mean relating to a descriptive standard, doing

54:17

what is normally done or what most others

54:19

are expected to do in practice. So

54:21

it's both things. Well, sometimes

54:24

used and confusingly

54:27

implies that it is being

54:29

abused into normalcy,

54:31

that it is used in this

54:33

way. And I'm claiming that that's

54:35

happening because people have found it

54:37

useful to take the

54:40

correct judgment that something that

54:42

was once judged bad by society

54:44

is no longer understood, that we

54:46

have become enlightened, and that we

54:48

no longer persecute people for being

54:50

gay. That is being used to

54:52

erase the claim that being straight

54:54

is normal. And I think

54:57

that's reflected rather perfectly in what Wikipedia

54:59

says in this case. I think

55:01

you're right. So good job, Wikipedia. Now

55:03

clean up the rest of your goddamn game.

55:06

Yeah, indeed. Okay. Seventh

55:09

screenshot here. This is from the actual

55:12

files. And I don't need to read

55:14

the whole thing here, except

55:16

that it begins with as a gender doula.

55:21

Oh, a gender doula. That's a

55:23

new one on me. That is a

55:25

new one, presumably on everyone, except

55:27

for the, I'm

55:29

imagining burgeoning gender doula industry. A

55:32

doula, as pretty much everyone will,

55:34

of course, know, is someone

55:37

who is not midwifing

55:40

a birth, but is there as the

55:42

mother's advocate during the birth to

55:44

assist with anything that might be

55:47

happening that the midwife or the

55:49

doctor, depending, the obstetrician,

55:51

may feel

55:54

is out of their domain. And

55:57

of course, birth being a difficult process. many

56:00

moments when a birthing mother may

56:03

not be, may

56:05

not have the capacity to advocate for herself.

56:08

And so a doula is someone that she

56:10

has worked with in advance of the birth

56:12

and who is there as her advocate during

56:14

the birth itself. Gender

56:17

doula borrows this

56:20

important term, important role.

56:22

I have, I didn't

56:26

have a doula, but I've known many

56:28

mothers who did and they are wonderful

56:30

and valuable. And

56:33

many mothers I know have

56:35

found them, have found them

56:37

indispensable. Gender

56:39

doula would

56:42

suppose that understanding

56:44

what gender you are and transitioning

56:46

between genders and having this

56:49

be, you know, a significant part of your

56:51

life is significant in the

56:53

way if you are pregnant,

56:55

getting that child out of you so that

56:57

you can start to become a mother as opposed to

56:59

being a pregnant woman is important.

57:01

Of course it's not, but this is part of

57:04

the, this is part of the story, this is

57:06

part of the activism that we are being sold.

57:08

That if you, if you

57:10

don't have a gender identity,

57:13

if you claim that you don't think about it, if you

57:15

claim that it's a

57:17

silly thing to concern yourself with,

57:19

you are denying some part of yourself.

57:22

And that's just wrong. Like

57:25

gender doula is a, is

57:27

an appropriation of

57:29

a real role in

57:32

that, in many women's lives for a thing

57:34

that is a fiction. And I would say

57:36

it's a barbaric fiction. And

57:39

you know, I imagine this is

57:41

gonna happen a lot, but this is the first

57:43

one I've seen. It's like, oh we're gonna take

57:45

this important thing and plug gender onto it and

57:48

make it seem more respectable as a result. Alright,

57:50

now I'm gonna do some struggling for words because

57:52

this is so absurd. Yeah. But

57:55

one of the, just as

57:57

with the the normativity question

57:59

where it blurs a distinction to the

58:01

advantage of those who would engage in this

58:04

kind of sophistry. The

58:07

idea of a

58:09

doula exists in a context

58:11

where something inevitable is happening

58:14

anyway. So the

58:16

point is by importing doula into

58:18

this context, they create the impression

58:20

of, well, if you're born in

58:22

the wrong body, transition is going to happen and

58:25

you need an advocate because if you wouldn't want

58:27

to go into such a thing alone, you would

58:29

want somebody who's an expert in this sort of

58:31

thing. And so it creates this unstoppable

58:34

freight train of gender transition when

58:36

in fact what you need is

58:38

somebody to talk to you and

58:41

this is, I think, the hidden demon

58:44

in all of this. What you

58:46

really need is somebody to make, if

58:49

this is to be allowed at all,

58:51

and I'm not for children, it

58:53

shouldn't be, but for adults, what you

58:56

really need is somebody who isn't

58:58

tied to this industry to make absolutely

59:00

100% certain

59:03

that you are aware of the

59:06

risks and unknowns of what you

59:08

are doing, what a successful surgical

59:11

alteration actually means from the

59:13

point of view of your

59:15

functionality, sexually, reproductively, and otherwise

59:17

going forward, what the

59:19

rate of success is as studied by

59:21

people who are not involved in this

59:23

industry, what percentage of people are actually

59:26

10 years down the road glad

59:28

they did it, what percentage of people have come

59:32

to regret it, right? You need

59:34

to know all of these things before you even

59:36

contemplate this, which is part of why you couldn't

59:38

possibly rationally do this to children. And

59:41

there are many good therapists out there who

59:43

are pushing back or resisting, who are trying

59:45

to offer exactly this kind of therapeutic service.

59:49

The young people, but they are having

59:51

their livelihoods put at

59:53

risk. I've met several

59:55

such therapists in Portland, in

59:58

fact, and it's... incredibly

1:00:01

difficult to continue

1:00:03

doing the work when you've got people

1:00:05

who declare themselves gender doulas who again

1:00:07

presumably can make money doing so

1:00:10

when the people who are actually trying to protect the children

1:00:12

are constantly being bombarded with

1:00:14

threats to their livelihood because they're you

1:00:17

know spurious complaints made to their board

1:00:19

and such. So it

1:00:22

is a terrible moment

1:00:24

that we find ourselves in with regard to

1:00:28

how it is that therapists can and

1:00:31

should be protecting children. Okay

1:00:36

screenshot number eight this is again

1:00:38

Mia Hughes's analysis with quotes from the

1:00:41

files that they were given. In

1:00:43

the replies one WPATH member shared a

1:00:45

story about young natal females developing pelvic

1:00:47

floor dysfunction and even pain with orgasm.

1:00:50

A trans-identified natal female lawyer and

1:00:53

prominent trans activist shared a personal

1:00:55

account of developing a condition after years

1:00:57

on testosterone that caused quote splits in the

1:00:59

skin which pled and were excruciating end quote.

1:01:02

Another trans-identified natal female member described

1:01:05

quote bleeding after penetrative sex and

1:01:07

quote painful orgasms and an atrophied

1:01:09

uterus. Natal males don't

1:01:11

fare any better on estrogen either. When

1:01:14

a doctor posted asking for quote any insight

1:01:16

as to why some trans women may

1:01:18

experience significant pain with erections post hormone

1:01:20

therapy and quote the replies indicated this

1:01:22

is not an uncommon problem. A

1:01:25

trans-identified natal male counselor confirmed having experienced

1:01:27

painful erections while taking estradiol and described

1:01:29

quote trying to avoid them that is

1:01:32

erections because of this explaining

1:01:34

that even when the erections were not painful

1:01:36

quote they were physically uncomfortable and not pleasurable.

1:01:40

A registered nurse told of natal male

1:01:42

patients who described erections as quote feeling like

1:01:44

broken glass and quote this

1:01:47

is the treatment pathway WPATH adores for

1:01:49

adolescents. Let

1:01:54

me just read the next one. Also

1:02:00

I can be a he is analyzing the

1:02:02

can be profiles. Also. On

1:02:04

May Twenty Twenty Three, a gynecologist on

1:02:06

the Debbie path for and described a

1:02:08

patient who after penile inversion vachon opacity

1:02:11

was leaking prostate secretions to the urethra

1:02:13

and was funny at bothersome. The

1:02:16

replies inform the gynecologist that there is

1:02:18

no remedy but one nursing lecturer who

1:02:20

self described as Quote a woman of

1:02:23

trans experience and Quote suggested telling the

1:02:25

distress patient to enjoy the ride. Adding

1:02:27

is the ultimate physical sign of orgasm.

1:02:30

What's. Not to. This

1:02:37

is what is an mostly isn't isn't

1:02:39

these files and are not. Can spend

1:02:41

a ton of time here but. The

1:02:44

fact that internally between them. So.

1:02:48

It doesn't pass. Clinicians are

1:02:51

discussing. The the

1:02:53

pain and agony associated

1:02:55

with. Exactly the interventions

1:02:57

that they are pushing on on

1:02:59

people. Both. Both young people

1:03:01

and adults. Arms

1:03:04

but publicly. Declare

1:03:08

that the rates of regret or

1:03:10

a more segro ah that these.

1:03:12

Surgeries are successful. Ah,

1:03:18

Reveals a lack of.

1:03:22

Ethics. That. Is a

1:03:24

sound. Utterly. Stone.

1:03:28

A lack of human decency and

1:03:30

fact it because these patients. Walk

1:03:34

him. At. A

1:03:36

massive disadvantage in terms of

1:03:38

knowing the reality of what

1:03:40

they are contemplating. And.

1:03:45

increasingly. Informed consent is

1:03:47

the central question. And

1:03:50

least all of mass. The. Something

1:03:52

we agreed on so completely that as

1:03:54

we pointed out before, seven doctors were

1:03:56

hanged. In the aftermath of

1:03:58

World War Two for having. Violated patients informed

1:04:01

consent even before informed consent was codified

1:04:03

as a principal. So.

1:04:05

Yeah, this is something we have taken

1:04:08

very seriously and somebody has persuaded us

1:04:10

to abandon it en masse across many

1:04:12

different domains things as. Deeply.

1:04:15

Separated as a marinade.

1:04:17

shots for covance and

1:04:19

gender transition surgery for

1:04:21

children, right? I mean,

1:04:24

What? South and Elective Surgery.

1:04:27

That. Derives. From a.

1:04:30

Radical. Interpretation of the evidence

1:04:32

that a person. That

1:04:35

there are that there would be regularly

1:04:37

people who are. Enough.

1:04:40

Close enough to born in the

1:04:42

wrong body, that surgical interventions which

1:04:44

cannot possibly make them more functional

1:04:46

than they were could possibly be

1:04:48

the right thing for them. So

1:04:50

this the you know there's ever

1:04:52

a case for informed consent? it

1:04:54

would be this. Now my question

1:04:56

is why. My. Know why?

1:04:59

But. Any rational civilization that

1:05:01

became convinced that this was

1:05:04

necessary would you not have

1:05:06

a. Entity

1:05:10

inside of government whose purpose

1:05:13

was to evaluate whether informed

1:05:15

consent was being adhered to

1:05:17

across the board in medicine.

1:05:20

That's one thing you would

1:05:22

have. The other thing

1:05:24

you would have is he would have

1:05:27

testing for people who were facing testing

1:05:29

the did not come from the people

1:05:31

who are pushing the surgeries testing. Of.

1:05:35

Patience. For. How much

1:05:37

they comprehend about the actual realities

1:05:39

of what happens to people who

1:05:41

have gone through the surgery? Are

1:05:43

you aware of these side effects?

1:05:46

Are you aware at the rate

1:05:48

that they show up? Are you

1:05:50

aware of the rate at which

1:05:52

people regret transition? Are you aware.

1:05:54

That you are forever for going your ability

1:05:57

to produce children? Are you aware of the

1:05:59

sexual? the. Function that is likely

1:06:01

to derive from this, etc etc.

1:06:03

So you would have an independent

1:06:05

evaluation and a patient mean. One

1:06:09

of the things that that that be

1:06:12

passed files her feals is that the

1:06:14

doctors themselves understand that the patients can't

1:06:16

possibly be aware. When.

1:06:18

They're young. Yeah,

1:06:22

the doctors are aware of

1:06:24

this. Therefore, the doctors in

1:06:26

not. Correcting for

1:06:29

this are. Guilty

1:06:31

of. A.

1:06:34

Wicked. Violation of informed consent.

1:06:36

This is not to inadequate

1:06:39

information, decison, obscuring of information

1:06:41

that these people vitally need

1:06:43

to know. There's. A paper

1:06:45

that I couldn't get the entire version

1:06:48

that saw not much can spend time

1:06:50

on a chair but at me or

1:06:52

published period paper ah from some years.

1:06:55

Back Ah, which actually invokes

1:06:57

the principle of subsidiarity. The.

1:07:00

Catholic Principal Subsidiarity.

1:07:03

As a justification for always trusting

1:07:05

the child a client. Over

1:07:07

their parents who say.

1:07:10

No, my trouble is not trans.

1:07:12

You should not do this. So

1:07:14

that is an abuse of subsidiarity

1:07:16

in the most extreme form in

1:07:18

the way that sometimes people abuse.

1:07:21

Jefferson's. Mean.

1:07:24

That the government as parents

1:07:27

least, right? There. For some

1:07:29

obviously was not advocating for no government or

1:07:31

it. The. You have

1:07:33

to just know very little about the mountain out

1:07:35

of me I was saying what he was is

1:07:37

a light his hand possible to accomplish the goal

1:07:39

is to right. But in

1:07:41

this way, subsidiarity means that everything should

1:07:43

be governed at the lowest effective level

1:07:46

I'm of them. Effectively done is to

1:07:48

see to the past fact level as

1:07:50

the kid is demanding a sex change

1:07:52

surgery rather than the parent who's trying

1:07:54

to protect the kid because the kid

1:07:56

doesn't know well enough, right? This is

1:07:58

a violation of subsidiarity. Yeah, our. The

1:08:00

paper. Ah. Let

1:08:03

me see, I actually do.

1:08:05

Ah, house. To. It. So.

1:08:08

It's like know it's not that old. It's

1:08:10

are you can show my skin, your i

1:08:13

just don't have the access to the whole

1:08:15

paper. It's twenty Twenty Three Journal of Medical

1:08:17

Ethics Youth should decide The principle of subsidiarity

1:08:19

in pediatric transgender healthcare. This

1:08:22

article developed a framework for allocating medical decision

1:08:25

making authority in the absence of capacity to

1:08:27

consent, and argues that. Decision Will authority in

1:08:29

pediatric transcend Your health care should generally

1:08:31

lie in that patient and a guy

1:08:33

I can't say much about. It because

1:08:35

I don't I couldn't get access to the

1:08:37

actual paper For what I would like to

1:08:39

know is how far back these about term

1:08:41

goes because subsidiarity I became aware of it.

1:08:44

May be. Eight

1:08:47

or ten years ago in

1:08:49

good governance discussions and I

1:08:52

started. Using it? Yeah.

1:08:54

Later heard Jordan Peterson using

1:08:56

it in his. Musings,

1:08:59

the topic is possible goes way back

1:09:01

for Jordan, but I'm wondering whether or

1:09:03

not there's any evidence of the use

1:09:05

in this context given the Jordan has

1:09:07

been so active in the space. A

1:09:09

challenging the was as they get it

1:09:12

from him, they never they watching. Jordan

1:09:14

Peterson I am is this you know?

1:09:16

Ah, Stealing. A

1:09:18

term it isn't a soft history coming

1:09:20

at the question of subsidiarity because it

1:09:22

would be useful to to mangle it.

1:09:26

In an effort to. Make

1:09:28

sure does not properly applied. Don't.

1:09:31

Know. Ah, Okay,

1:09:33

here is a transcription of another

1:09:35

part of the video discussion that

1:09:37

they are set to Shellenberger and

1:09:39

than me, he was forgiven for

1:09:41

the Davita files. So

1:09:44

I'm yeah, One of the things I would like

1:09:46

to highlight on this case. I think that it

1:09:48

underscores the from the outset. We also may help

1:09:50

people explore. more non binary options you know

1:09:52

i have a young person i'm working with

1:09:54

right now spin on blockers for about two

1:09:56

years mother's anxious for the kids come off

1:09:58

pediatric and occur is seeing maybe go a

1:10:01

little longer and the kid is vacillating. Really

1:10:03

not wanting facial hair but about having menstrual

1:10:05

cycles and kind of vacillates but whether breast

1:10:07

development, chest development bothers them or not and

1:10:09

which pronouns they use. And we all know

1:10:11

that chest surgery is pretty inevitable or at

1:10:14

least looks like that because this has consistently

1:10:16

been a bothersome thing for this person.

1:10:19

So is there more benefit of staying on blockers

1:10:21

or letting the kids switch back to their endogenous

1:10:23

estrogen? Or is it better to go low dose

1:10:25

testosterone or what? And at what point

1:10:28

in time? So if the kid doesn't want facial hair

1:10:30

but maybe doesn't mind their chest growing and they're planning

1:10:32

on having chest surgery anyways, so

1:10:34

we may want to be creative in how we help

1:10:36

folks approach these situations that are complex.

1:10:40

Complex really you don't say. Yeah. So

1:10:45

that just again

1:10:47

to reveal some of the inner workings

1:10:49

of what they're admitting.

1:10:52

Like here's a young person

1:10:54

who isn't comfortable with her breasts

1:10:58

because she didn't have them until yesterday practically,

1:11:00

right? She's been a kid

1:11:03

and suddenly her body's

1:11:05

changing. She's got menses,

1:11:07

she's got breasts and

1:11:10

she finds

1:11:13

them bothersome.

1:11:16

Well, she finds them bothersome in a

1:11:18

world where people

1:11:21

instead of leaning

1:11:23

into the reality of the situation, which is you're

1:11:25

going to have breasts and because that's

1:11:27

not a choice, the basic

1:11:29

point is okay, how are you doing with that? Rather

1:11:31

than you want to

1:11:33

change that, right? Do you prefer

1:11:36

your pre-breast state? Right? So

1:11:40

things are being presented as options that aren't out

1:11:42

options and people

1:11:45

come to recognize this afterwards, but

1:11:47

they aren't told it in advance. And actually to

1:11:49

that point, here's the

1:11:52

next screenshot, the 11 of 13.

1:11:54

Dr. Az Hakim,

1:11:56

we're on therapy groups that combine patients

1:11:58

wishing to embark upon surgery. surgical transition

1:12:00

with post-operative transsexuals who regretted their

1:12:02

surgeries. In an interview, he

1:12:05

described the pre-operative group as one of excitement and

1:12:07

euphoria, and the post-operative group

1:12:09

as one of mourning, depression, and sadness. The

1:12:12

typical pattern, writes Hakeem, was gender

1:12:15

dysphoria, transgender euphoria,

1:12:17

and then transgender dysphoria,

1:12:20

Hakeem said of the post-operative. They

1:12:22

realized they didn't really feel that authentic in

1:12:25

their transgender identity, so they were still feeling

1:12:27

just as inauthentic, but just in a different

1:12:29

body. Hakeem observed that

1:12:31

this process took, on average, seven years,

1:12:34

which cast further doubt on the validity

1:12:36

of short-term follow-up studies showing high patient

1:12:38

satisfaction post-transition rates. Meyer

1:12:40

and Hopes of Johns Hopkins made the same observation in

1:12:43

1974. They

1:12:45

described, end quote, initial phase of elation,

1:12:47

end quote, that extended for two to

1:12:49

five years post-transition, but after that honeymoon

1:12:52

period is over, quote, the patient is

1:12:54

overtaken by the painful realization that nothing

1:12:56

has really changed except certain elements of

1:12:58

body configuration, end quote. This

1:13:01

honeymoon period has also been observed more

1:13:03

recently. That

1:13:05

right there, dysphoria,

1:13:07

something is wrong. I don't feel right

1:13:10

about my life, and I think it's maybe about

1:13:13

my body, but I, oh, and I'm being assured

1:13:17

that people in lab coats, the degrees,

1:13:19

tell me they can fix this, it is my body. Oh, we've

1:13:22

seen this before, yeah. It's the thing that happened.

1:13:24

Yeah, oh, you're part, like, this is a thing

1:13:26

because so many people are going through this. You

1:13:28

are not just right

1:13:30

in what you understand to be the problem, but

1:13:32

we have the solution for you, and look at

1:13:34

all these other people we've helped. Yeah. So

1:13:37

that dysphoria becomes an elation,

1:13:39

and as this quote that I was

1:13:42

just reading from, often

1:13:44

it's preop euphoria. Oh my

1:13:46

God, this is the answer

1:13:48

to all of my problems.

1:13:50

Yeah. I have been wrestling

1:13:53

with comorbidities, with mental illness,

1:13:55

with a family that's dysfunctional, with just a

1:13:57

changing body that I don't know how to

1:13:59

do. to deal with because the world is not

1:14:01

reacting to me the same now as it did five

1:14:03

years ago. And a doctor

1:14:06

in a fancy coat with

1:14:08

a fancy degree on his wall tells me that

1:14:10

he can fix it. Awesome.

1:14:13

I'm so excited about this. Oh, please let me

1:14:15

get the surgery at 16 instead of 18. Please

1:14:17

let me do this. This is going to solve all of my problems. And

1:14:22

then they realize that the only thing that's different is

1:14:25

the medical or surgical intervention that

1:14:28

is not reversible. All

1:14:30

of the problems are not solved. In fact, none

1:14:32

of the problems are solved. But you've created new ones and

1:14:35

you've made yourself a patient for life and

1:14:37

things are only worse. So

1:14:41

dysphoria, euphoria, dysphoria again.

1:14:44

So think about this mapped

1:14:46

onto what's actually supposed to be happening. You've

1:14:50

got somebody, there

1:14:52

are two things that are happening. One, subject

1:14:55

of our book, hyper novelty. These

1:14:58

kids are living in a world they're not

1:15:00

fit for because the world was not constructed

1:15:03

with kids in mind or with development

1:15:05

in mind. It would have to change

1:15:07

more slowly in order to be properly

1:15:09

adapted to it. So that's one

1:15:11

thing. But normally,

1:15:14

even given a proper world to

1:15:16

develop in, the discomforts

1:15:21

are part of a motivational

1:15:23

structure built by selection

1:15:25

to get you to discover what niche

1:15:27

to be in as an adult, how

1:15:30

to interact. Are

1:15:32

you going to be funny? Are you going to be

1:15:34

poignant? All

1:15:36

of the things you need to discover in order to live

1:15:38

in that adult world get motivated

1:15:40

by the fact that you don't like not

1:15:43

knowing what to say or do. So the

1:15:45

point is, a natural

1:15:48

developmental process has

1:15:50

been spotted as an opportunity

1:15:54

by an industry selling something.

1:15:57

So instead of allowing you to develop... I

1:16:00

guess my point is the idea of

1:16:03

the normal pattern would be discomfort

1:16:07

and then increasing satisfaction upon discovering what

1:16:09

it is you're supposed to be doing

1:16:11

in the world. The point is, oh

1:16:13

no, that discomfort is a pathology, right?

1:16:16

That discomfort is a pathology and the remedy

1:16:18

isn't you. It's a consumer good. And

1:16:21

the idea that the

1:16:24

clinical language, that the idea in play

1:16:26

here is one of autonomy, bodily autonomy,

1:16:29

personal autonomy, when it's exactly the opposite.

1:16:32

We will make you subservient for life. We

1:16:34

will ensure that you have no capacities

1:16:36

or skills to solve your own problems,

1:16:39

to become more resilient, to become anti-fragile,

1:16:41

to become productive and

1:16:43

forthcoming and generative

1:16:45

and discover things and

1:16:47

create things. You are

1:16:49

no, we got you. And

1:16:53

that sounds nice at first. I got your back. Yeah.

1:16:56

You're not alone. We got

1:16:58

you. We've seen this before. It's

1:17:01

going to be okay. But

1:17:04

they're lying. They're lying to these children

1:17:07

and to these

1:17:09

young people who are

1:17:11

of age. They're lying to

1:17:14

all of them who

1:17:17

what they need to do is go out

1:17:19

into the world, get outside, go

1:17:22

out into the world and start

1:17:25

finding challenge and

1:17:28

start figuring out how to overcome challenge

1:17:30

and identify what things

1:17:33

that they encounter feel

1:17:35

like something that they can become

1:17:37

excellent at and pursue that. And

1:17:40

there will be things that they run into and they're like, oh, this is challenging.

1:17:42

This is a challenge. Oh, you know what? It's

1:17:44

not for me. I'm just not going to

1:17:46

be what I excel at, not going to be the thing that

1:17:48

I spend time in. And so you pivot.

1:17:51

You're going to change. You go back to

1:17:53

the last node you ran. Go like, how

1:17:55

about I tried this instead? Nope, not that.

1:17:57

How about I tried this instead? But it

1:17:59

involves me. trying I am going to go

1:18:01

out and try things and test

1:18:04

my own capacities and in so doing

1:18:06

strengthen them and also discover where I

1:18:09

am weak and Sometimes

1:18:11

those weaknesses can be made into strengths and sometimes there

1:18:13

are things that you have to live with and go.

1:18:15

You know what I Can't

1:18:17

be best at everything. I can't even

1:18:19

be good at everything but now I

1:18:22

know what the things are that I'm not good at

1:18:24

and What I hopefully

1:18:26

need to do in order to live the

1:18:28

best life I can Understanding

1:18:30

what my weaknesses are that is

1:18:33

what growing up is I mean, that's what all

1:18:35

of human life is through, you know through through

1:18:37

all stages of development, but especially

1:18:39

adolescents Yeah, and

1:18:41

there's these these so-called clinicians are

1:18:44

stealing this they're stealing the children's

1:18:46

lives their childhoods their adolescence their

1:18:50

Humanity they're stealing the kids

1:18:52

map to get into a future

1:18:55

that's livable And what they're

1:18:57

gonna do is they're gonna create Actual

1:19:00

they've got a phony story you've

1:19:02

been victimized by biology, right

1:19:04

biology screwed up wrong body Right

1:19:07

and they're gonna create actual victims and

1:19:09

these people that is gonna be their

1:19:12

skill set Is there gonna be victims

1:19:14

in the future? But there'll be something to

1:19:16

it Who will they have been victimized by by

1:19:18

the people who sold them the false story that

1:19:20

told them that surgery and hormones was gonna fix

1:19:22

things Who those

1:19:24

people will be long gone? Yeah, all right. They'll

1:19:26

be off to something else and you

1:19:30

know imagine having to live an entire life downstream

1:19:32

of a Sales

1:19:35

pitch which is what this is. Yep.

1:19:37

That's right Okay,

1:19:40

the last two there's lots that we haven't touched on

1:19:42

in these files But the last two

1:19:44

screenshots I want to share are

1:19:46

about some of the most common comorbidities Or

1:19:50

maybe not the most common, but some of the

1:19:52

comorbidities that seem to accompany Coming

1:19:55

to identify as being gender dysphoric

1:19:58

and then pursuing hormonal insertion surgical

1:20:01

treatment for such gender

1:20:03

dysphoria. So first one, this is

1:20:06

again Mia Hughes's words in her

1:20:08

analysis of the files that came their way. Others

1:20:11

inside the forum object to surgical

1:20:13

restrictions based on high body mass

1:20:16

index, BMI. It is widely recognized that

1:20:18

obesity increases the risks associated with surgery

1:20:20

leading to complications such as prolonged operative

1:20:22

time, increased risk of surgical site infections

1:20:24

and various other complications. Therefore

1:20:26

it is standard practice for surgeons to have a

1:20:29

BMI cap for elective surgeries. However,

1:20:31

inside WPATH some members are unhappy

1:20:34

about obese female patients being denied

1:20:36

elective bilateral mastectomies. A

1:20:39

research associate within the group suggested that

1:20:41

this denial is the result of quote

1:20:43

systemic fat phobia and challenged the conventional

1:20:45

belief that the patient's obesity directly contributes

1:20:47

to adverse outcomes, instead suggesting that

1:20:49

it was the result of quote weight bias influencing

1:20:52

how patients are cared for and operated on.

1:20:55

While acknowledging the quote high prevalence of

1:20:58

eating disorders in trans individuals, end

1:21:00

quote, this WPATH member expressed

1:21:02

concern that withholding surgery could potentially

1:21:04

exacerbate these issues. A

1:21:07

Washington social worker contributed an anecdote about a client

1:21:09

seeking top surgery who had been told to lose

1:21:11

weight. This apparently triggered

1:21:13

disordered eating. It's a

1:21:16

pure sophistry. Okay, last one.

1:21:20

Yeah. At

1:21:23

WPATH's 2022 International Symposium in Montreal,

1:21:25

a team of researchers presented the preliminary

1:21:28

findings of their research into the confluence

1:21:30

of transgender and plural identities. The

1:21:33

team grappled with the complexity of obtaining informed consent

1:21:35

for sex trait modification hormones and

1:21:37

surgeries from patients with hundreds of

1:21:39

alters, many with different

1:21:42

gender identities. So, let

1:21:44

me pause for a second here. This

1:21:47

uses the acronym later DID

1:21:49

dissociative identity disorder, which

1:21:52

is previously called multiple

1:21:54

personality disorder. That's what we're talking about here.

1:21:56

Plural identities is people which most of us

1:21:58

will have heard of multiple. Personality Disorder

1:22:00

now being called DID, Dissociative Identity

1:22:03

Disorder. The

1:22:05

team grappled with the complexity of obtaining

1:22:07

informed consent for sex trait modification hormones

1:22:09

and surgeries from patients with hundreds of

1:22:11

alters, many with differing gender identities.

1:22:14

Their research quoted an individual called the

1:22:17

Redwoods, who identifies as nine

1:22:19

separate people sharing a quote trans body,

1:22:21

explaining the difficulties faced by patients who

1:22:23

were forced to choose between their gender

1:22:25

dysphoria diagnosis and their DID diagnosis. The

1:22:32

research team drew few solid conclusions but

1:22:34

recommended affirmation of both trans and plural

1:22:36

identities, which could lead to quote gender

1:22:39

and plural euphoria, as well

1:22:42

as he suggested that plurals have their separate

1:22:44

personalities use an app to talk to

1:22:46

each other to reach an agreement about

1:22:48

hormonal and surgical sex trait modification interventions.

1:22:51

The lead researcher appears in the WPATH files in a

1:22:54

thread dated September 2021, discussing the

1:22:56

quote robust community developing of people

1:22:59

who identify as plural, as well

1:23:01

as plural positivity conferences. He

1:23:04

stated that there was a quote general consensus

1:23:06

that mental health and medical providers need more

1:23:08

training on this topic so they can provide affirming

1:23:12

care. Affirmative

1:23:23

care for

1:23:25

children who have been lied to, they

1:23:28

can change their sex. I don't care

1:23:30

if you call it gender, you've been lied to. Affirmative

1:23:34

care sounds very kumbaya and it's

1:23:36

a lie. It's the

1:23:38

opposite of kumbaya. You should friend screaming from it.

1:23:41

They're now using that same word, affirmative

1:23:44

care for not just transness,

1:23:46

but for plural

1:23:49

identities as

1:23:52

if people

1:23:54

who are walking around calling themselves

1:23:57

the redwoods would

1:24:00

nine separate identities that they wish to

1:24:02

present to the world need

1:24:05

to be affirmed as

1:24:08

opposed to treated so

1:24:11

as to consolidate those identities into

1:24:13

a single personality

1:24:15

that can go forward into the

1:24:18

world and again possibly hopefully

1:24:20

if there's any hope at all left

1:24:22

for someone who has been encouraged in

1:24:24

these delusions this far actually

1:24:27

learn how to be generative and

1:24:29

productive and self-sufficient in the world

1:24:31

as opposed to demanding affirmative

1:24:34

therapy for both their plural personalities

1:24:36

and their gender confusion especially

1:24:41

in a world where kids

1:24:43

are being trained that attention

1:24:46

is the coin of

1:24:48

the realm rather than accomplishment

1:24:50

or insight or something like that

1:24:53

it is not surprising to find people

1:24:56

leaning into what may be a pathological

1:24:59

tendency to display more

1:25:01

than one personality but

1:25:04

I even find something insane

1:25:06

about okay the

1:25:09

various personalities need to use an

1:25:11

external app in order to discuss

1:25:14

with each other being recommended that

1:25:16

I need to but

1:25:18

clinicians would like them to use an app so they can figure

1:25:20

out amongst themselves so first of all then

1:25:22

so that let's

1:25:25

just agree that if

1:25:28

there is any argument at all or

1:25:31

radical interventions let's

1:25:35

agree that it can't possibly be true

1:25:37

for kids but if there's any argument

1:25:40

at all for the radical interventions

1:25:43

that you couldn't possibly

1:25:45

justify doing it on

1:25:48

a person who was not entirely

1:25:50

in agreement and I don't care if

1:25:53

you have a thousand personalities and one

1:25:55

of them disagrees to the extent that

1:25:57

there's one personality well I mean that

1:25:59

is actually actually, this is

1:26:01

one of the very few places in these

1:26:04

files where you see the clinicians who are

1:26:06

wrestling with these very intense issues, going like,

1:26:08

well, we must get the personalities in agreement

1:26:11

before we proceed. Let us

1:26:13

talk to the personality that doesn't want to

1:26:15

sex change and convince it. Yeah. But-

1:26:19

Like if the app doesn't work. Right, but

1:26:22

in a rational world, in a world with any

1:26:24

rationality left to it at all, what

1:26:27

you would have is this

1:26:29

is a destructive set of

1:26:32

surgeries. Maybe somebody

1:26:34

has a right to them if they are

1:26:36

fully adult and they fully understand what they

1:26:38

are giving up in order to get what

1:26:41

they are getting. Big maybe. Big

1:26:43

maybe. But- One

1:26:46

which I, yeah, I don't think so. Let's

1:26:48

just say, in the case that somebody

1:26:50

has that right, nobody

1:26:53

who is composed of many personalities, how

1:26:55

do we know that somebody doesn't have

1:26:57

a silent personality that objects? Right?

1:27:00

They won't sign onto the app. Right. You

1:27:03

don't. Somebody in that condition is

1:27:05

not sane enough to discover whether

1:27:07

they are completely of one mind

1:27:09

with respect to the need for this. And

1:27:11

presumably, a, you know,

1:27:14

maybe, I mean, look, probably it is

1:27:16

true that most

1:27:18

of what us normies are is

1:27:21

not the part that talks. Right?

1:27:23

Yes. So,

1:27:26

does the person's inner self that doesn't

1:27:28

have a name, does that person get

1:27:30

a vote on whether or not to

1:27:32

have a radical body modification? I

1:27:34

would think they would have absolute veto power

1:27:36

over it. He would help. But you

1:27:39

are creating a nonsense story in

1:27:41

which that person has to speak up and

1:27:43

may not have the ability to do so.

1:27:46

So anyway, I mean, once again,

1:27:49

we are deeply into this

1:27:51

office tree trying to explain why

1:27:53

it's not when

1:27:55

the point is, oh, well, look, that's obviously

1:27:57

not how do you know that it's obviously

1:27:59

not because go back 10 years and ask

1:28:02

anybody, right? It's that kind of

1:28:04

thing. And this isn't like some discovery, right?

1:28:06

Yes, there can be things that we weren't

1:28:08

aware of 10 years ago, but this isn't

1:28:10

some discovery. This is some claim that this

1:28:13

has always been how it was and, you

1:28:16

know, we're only enlightened now and the people

1:28:19

who are the experts in it are

1:28:22

barely articulate enough to make a transcript

1:28:24

and understand what they're even talking about.

1:28:32

So, the WPATH files came out earlier this

1:28:34

month. This

1:28:38

week, there are two relevant

1:28:40

things that also happened before

1:28:42

we leave this topic, mercifully,

1:28:46

for at least a little bit. A

1:28:49

positive thing that happened this week is that

1:28:51

England's NHS, the National Health Service, banned

1:28:53

the regular prescription of puberty blockers, where

1:28:56

they had the Tavistock clinic, which was doing

1:28:59

great damage almost

1:29:02

by rote to girls in

1:29:04

particular for a long time. And

1:29:06

the NHS has not only, the

1:29:08

Tavistock closing happened a while back, a few

1:29:10

months, I don't remember, sometime in the last

1:29:12

year. But they

1:29:15

haven't blocked, they haven't

1:29:17

banned the prescription of puberty blockers under any

1:29:20

circumstances, but they have said this is

1:29:22

no longer part of our regular retinue of things

1:29:25

that were going to allow to happen in the NHS. So,

1:29:27

that's good, right? Also

1:29:30

this week, however, was

1:29:32

the publication of this article in New

1:29:35

York magazine, Telegensir,

1:29:39

Freedom of Sex, the Moral Case for Letting

1:29:41

Trans Kids Change Their Bodies by

1:29:44

Andrea Long Chu, who

1:29:47

is a man who thinks he's a woman. And

1:29:53

there's a lot here, I just have

1:29:56

two little sections to read. This is,

1:29:58

given what we just went through with

1:30:00

the WPATH files, this piece being published

1:30:03

this week is particularly, frankly,

1:30:05

diabolical. So here's

1:30:07

one. It seems to me,

1:30:09

this is Andrea Long Chu writing, it

1:30:12

seems to me that this is a fear we can no longer afford. To

1:30:14

confront the reality of biological sex is

1:30:17

not by definition to swear fealty to

1:30:19

that reality. No one knows this better

1:30:21

than a child who wishes to have their biological

1:30:23

sex changed. We must be

1:30:25

able to defend this desire clearly, directly, and

1:30:27

crucially, without depending on the idea of gender.

1:30:30

Back in the 1970s, sociologists hypothesized that the withering

1:30:32

away of gender roles in a liberal society would

1:30:35

lead to a decline in the number of people

1:30:37

who wanted to change their sex. We

1:30:39

may now say this hypothesis was wrong. An

1:30:42

increase in gender freedom has coincided with a rise in

1:30:44

the number of people wishing to change their sex. For

1:30:47

these people, sex itself is becoming a

1:30:49

site of freedom. This

1:30:51

freedom is not unprecedented. Many Americans, though they

1:30:53

may not realize it, already enjoy a limited

1:30:55

version of the freedom to alter their sexual

1:30:57

biology. What is new is the idea

1:30:59

that this freedom can be asserted as a universal right

1:31:02

by a group of politically disenfranchised as the young. This

1:31:05

is why the anti-trans movement is so desperate.

1:31:07

It is afraid of what sex might become.

1:31:10

So that's a lot of gobbledygook. I

1:31:13

will say that one of the things that Andrea

1:31:16

Long Chu is doing here is reviewing a new

1:31:19

Judith Butler book that's either already out or

1:31:21

is going to be coming out later this

1:31:23

month. This sounds like just the

1:31:25

language of Judith Butler. It sounds like English and it

1:31:27

doesn't mean anything. The

1:31:29

language that Butler has

1:31:32

traded in for her entire career.

1:31:34

Right. It does sound like Butler.

1:31:36

It sounds like Butler. Later in

1:31:39

this Long Chu piece in

1:31:42

New York Magazine this week, we have this.

1:31:47

This is the larger historical reason why the

1:31:49

anti-trans movement does not want transgender people to

1:31:51

receive sex altering care. It

1:31:53

is not clear how, if at all, such people will

1:31:55

fit into the division of sex in America. The

1:31:58

turf does not, after all, fear being assaulted by

1:32:00

a Y chromosome in a woman's restroom. Her

1:32:03

paranoid fantasy is of a large

1:32:05

testosterone-filled body wielding a penis, an

1:32:08

organ to which, as Butler points out, the

1:32:10

turf attributes almost magical powers of violence. Turfs

1:32:13

often seem to reject the idea that trans women are

1:32:15

women on the basis that they are not

1:32:17

sufficiently rapeable, when in fact trans women face

1:32:20

much higher rates of sexual assault. This

1:32:25

entire piece is reprehensible

1:32:27

and disgusting, but

1:32:30

this claim that women

1:32:33

don't want men in restrooms because

1:32:35

of the threat of sexual violence

1:32:37

against them is actually women claiming

1:32:40

that you aren't a woman unless

1:32:42

you're sufficiently rapeable is

1:32:45

actually a bridge I did not even think

1:32:47

this man would cross. This

1:32:50

is beyond abhorrent. Yeah,

1:32:53

it's insane. And it

1:32:58

is pure sophistry because it

1:33:00

removes the central issue, which

1:33:02

is that people

1:33:05

who claim to be women who still have

1:33:07

a penis are capable of rape. So

1:33:12

by displacing this onto, it's hard

1:33:14

to even know how to. I

1:33:17

mean, this from someone who

1:33:19

presumably sometimes claims that

1:33:21

other people are victim blaming. That

1:33:25

term is largely an absurd term, but

1:33:27

that's what's going on here. And that's

1:33:29

frankly what's going on with a lot

1:33:31

of the trans ideology. As women increasingly

1:33:34

stand up and say, no, not

1:33:36

in my space. We have sex

1:33:39

separated spaces for reasons that are

1:33:41

historical and undeniable and unchangeable, not

1:33:43

in my space. And

1:33:47

here we have women being accused of, I've

1:33:53

lost the language. Yeah,

1:33:57

and it does this to a person. It just

1:33:59

removes the issue. ability to discuss it rationally

1:34:01

but the question

1:34:07

of vulnerability that actual

1:34:14

women did not choose. This is something that biology

1:34:16

has inflicted on actual women.

1:34:21

You can't torture the logic such that

1:34:24

that concern about actual vulnerability

1:34:27

is somehow petty

1:34:30

or whatever it's being portrayed as. It's

1:34:32

a biological fact. So

1:34:35

just one more little thing from Long

1:34:38

Chu's article from that

1:34:40

same paragraph. Widespread

1:34:44

discomfort at the largely fantastical idea that

1:34:47

trans girls will always dominate in their

1:34:49

chosen sports reflects a basic

1:34:51

patriarchal belief that the physical advantages of being

1:34:53

male are perfectly acceptable so long as they

1:34:55

are possessed by men. In

1:34:58

this sense, sex division in sport is meant

1:35:00

to enshrine inequality, not to mitigate it. I

1:35:03

include that because you went

1:35:06

from disgusting to laughable in

1:35:08

one paragraph, Andrea Long Chu, and

1:35:11

that's quite a feat. From

1:35:13

an utterly abhorrent

1:35:16

statement that if

1:35:19

nothing else reveals that you're a man

1:35:22

because no woman would say that thing about

1:35:24

being rapeable to it's the

1:35:30

patriarchy that

1:35:32

created sex division in sport and

1:35:35

it's the patriarchy that is enshrining

1:35:37

inequality by keeping women's sports free

1:35:40

of men. Sure.

1:35:43

Good one. Yeah.

1:35:46

I mean this is what sophistry is. It's

1:35:49

like look, here's a wrong argument. Do

1:35:51

your best to defend it. Yeah.

1:35:54

Right? And here, we spent a couple

1:35:56

hours now. Right. Like going through this.

1:35:59

Like trying to. sorted out because the point is

1:36:01

it has to be fielded. It would be

1:36:03

absolutely not worth anybody's

1:36:06

time if it wasn't actually resulting in medical

1:36:08

treatment of kids who need to be protected

1:36:11

from it. That means that there's no amount

1:36:13

of time that would be too much to

1:36:15

spend on it. We are literally mutilating children

1:36:17

who deserve a defense. They

1:36:19

deserve to be rescued from that situation, which is

1:36:21

why this is worth our time. The arguments are

1:36:24

so low quality that under any other circumstance it

1:36:26

would be like, okay, there are dumb people in

1:36:28

the world. I'm sure they say stuff and not

1:36:30

waste their time on it. But

1:36:33

for the fact that

1:36:35

it is altering physical reality

1:36:37

and life for people who

1:36:40

are deserving of compassion. Do

1:36:46

you want to talk about something else? I

1:36:48

think this actually stands well on its own.

1:36:50

Well, then I want to say just

1:36:54

a couple of words about

1:36:56

amphibian milk. Of course you do. Yeah. You

1:36:58

can show my screen here. This

1:37:01

is just the sentence which I began

1:37:03

my natural selections piece this week with.

1:37:07

An amphibian of a sort you've probably never heard of, provides

1:37:10

parental care by offering highly nutritious

1:37:12

skin for her babies to eat and making

1:37:15

something highly analogous to mammals milk,

1:37:18

which is solicited by the babies when they click and

1:37:20

chirp. And then the babies collect

1:37:23

their mother's milk from around and within her cloaca.

1:37:26

So I then go through each of

1:37:28

those lines explaining to the non-biologist

1:37:31

and many biologists what actually is

1:37:33

happening. And I

1:37:36

will say that it's an amphibian you've

1:37:39

probably never heard of because there are

1:37:41

three extant clades of amphibians, the

1:37:43

frogs and toads, which are the little leggy,

1:37:46

jumpy, tailless as adults

1:37:48

amphibians, of which they're more

1:37:50

than 4,000 species. All

1:37:54

toads are frogs and not all frogs are toads. They're

1:37:56

the salamanders and newts, which

1:37:58

look superficially like lizards. but

1:38:00

they're amphibians and

1:38:03

they're about a little more than 400 species

1:38:05

of them and all

1:38:08

Nuts or salamanders not all salamanders are Nuts and

1:38:11

everyone has no sort of

1:38:13

frog is kind of and no sort of salamanders is kind

1:38:15

of but then there's a third group that most people haven't

1:38:17

heard of which the Sicilians spelled differently

1:38:19

but sounds like they're people from Sicily but

1:38:21

they're actually no Sicilians in Sicily as it turns

1:38:24

out because Sicilians CAE,

1:38:26

CILIS are burrowing

1:38:29

limbless amphibians that are

1:38:31

restricted to the tropics and

1:38:34

as it turns out and this is going

1:38:36

to trigger some people here's

1:38:38

a picture of this siphonops

1:38:41

annulatus this is a mother Sicilian this

1:38:43

is an amphibian this is not a worm with

1:38:46

summer for babies and these are some

1:38:48

of the babies who emit these high

1:38:50

pitched clicks near their

1:38:52

mother's cloaca which is the rear

1:38:54

entrance in female amphibians that does

1:38:57

both excretory and reproductive purposes

1:38:59

and in birds and then other reptiles

1:39:01

as well and

1:39:05

in response the oviducts of the mother

1:39:07

Sicilian start to produce something that is

1:39:09

very much like mammals milk not

1:39:12

obviously a shared history with

1:39:15

mammals milk but it's high carbohydrate high

1:39:17

lipid production

1:39:19

which in the viparous

1:39:21

species of Sicilians where

1:39:24

the kids are in the mother for

1:39:26

a long time the kids are eating

1:39:28

these oviducal secretions and here we have

1:39:30

an oviparous species she lays eggs the

1:39:32

kids hatch out and then they go

1:39:34

back to that same cloacal vent and

1:39:36

start chirping at her and those those

1:39:39

oviducts produce milk but they have

1:39:41

to stick their heads in her cloaca

1:39:43

to get it all right that was completely

1:39:46

wild at so many different levels the fact

1:39:48

of the fact of there being

1:39:50

a milk like secretion that's

1:39:53

interesting but I would imagine that's

1:39:56

straightforward enough to see a

1:39:58

I'm a bit surprised to find

1:40:01

a Sicilian involved in extreme

1:40:03

parental care. That's pretty interesting.

1:40:06

But apparently, so the

1:40:08

bit about them eating nutritious skin, as the

1:40:13

mother is coming close to, I can't

1:40:15

remember if it's, I think it's

1:40:17

in both some oviparous and some viparous species

1:40:20

of Sicilian, so as she is coming close

1:40:22

to either giving birth to live young or

1:40:24

laying or having her eggs be ready to

1:40:26

hatch out, her skin starts to become

1:40:28

suffused with lipids and they

1:40:30

eat, they have this

1:40:32

rasping stuff on the front of their

1:40:35

heads that they use to slough off the

1:40:37

lipid-rich skin and they eat it and

1:40:40

it's only when she's got babies. The

1:40:42

babies? Wait, wait, wait. The babies are eating

1:40:44

the lipid-rich skin of their mothers. Across

1:40:46

Sicilians? In some species. In some

1:40:49

species. Yes. Alright, well that is

1:40:51

pretty wild. Yeah. So

1:40:54

that means that there's extensive parental care

1:40:56

in Sicilians, which I did not know.

1:40:59

Yeah. Also interesting,

1:41:04

the vocalizations. Now do

1:41:06

adult Sicilians have vocalizations?

1:41:09

I don't know if they're vocalizations. I

1:41:11

had used the word, I think I took the

1:41:13

word vocalizations out. Yeah, I think they're

1:41:16

mechanical noises and they, you

1:41:18

know, there's a video which I'm not gonna show

1:41:20

because it's a little grainy

1:41:22

and it's also, it's probably, I just discussed a

1:41:24

bunch of people, but you can certainly go find

1:41:26

it. There's links in my natural selections piece and

1:41:29

it's kind of soft, kind of like

1:41:31

high-pitched clicking sounds, kind of like a

1:41:35

more fragile softer version of what we

1:41:38

see with baby birds soliciting food from one

1:41:40

of their parents when they come back to give

1:41:44

them food from their crop. So

1:41:47

I don't, what

1:41:49

I read, or maybe I missed it, didn't

1:41:51

specify. I suspect it's not vocalizations and no,

1:41:53

I don't see any evidence that adults are

1:41:57

vocalizing, but I don't

1:41:59

know for sure. Yeah. All right. Well

1:42:01

that is very surprising

1:42:03

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1:42:05

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