Episode Transcript
Transcripts are displayed as originally observed. Some content, including advertisements may have changed.
Use Ctrl + F to search
0:00
You're listening to
0:02
the
0:05
drag.
0:07
It's
0:09
the spring semester at Texas Southmost
0:11
College in Brownsville. Dr.
0:13
Tony Zavaletta is teaching his intro to
0:16
sociology class. like he does every
0:18
semester. It's a big
0:20
class with well over a hundred students.
0:23
It
0:23
was not any different from any
0:25
other intro to sociology
0:27
large class in a in a large classroom
0:30
that I had taught. But
0:32
one student sticks out.
0:35
She and her two sidekicks
0:37
always sat in the very back
0:39
row.
0:41
And of course, I
0:43
wasn't happy about that.
0:46
And I would urge people in the back row
0:48
to move up, but there were so many students
0:51
in that class. It just was not
0:53
possible. But
0:54
that's not the only reason. She
0:56
was a rather tall you
0:58
know, as far as Hispanic
1:00
women go, who
1:03
are generally short, I know that's a stereotype,
1:05
but it's true. She was
1:08
tall, tall woman and looked
1:10
different.
1:10
She was different, so she stood
1:12
out. Her name is Sara Adrete.
1:15
Sauno that there was someone who
1:18
was known on campus.
1:21
She was known. She was Jim
1:24
Wright.
1:25
She was in we had some very
1:27
significant women's
1:29
volleyball teams, national champion,
1:32
volatile teams at Texas Soft Wings
1:34
College in the eighties. And
1:36
she
1:38
was kind of like I
1:40
don't know exactly what her position was,
1:42
but we'll say that she was kind of a a mascot.
1:44
She hung around with them.
1:46
She's also blonde. And
1:48
the thing about the Rio Grande Valley in
1:50
Brownsville, a majority Hispanic part
1:52
of Texas, is that Tom and
1:54
Blonde is not a combo. You see a
1:56
lot down here. And Sada
1:59
always shows up to class wearing these strange
2:02
dark red beaded necklaces, which
2:04
make her stand out even more. k?
2:06
So
2:06
shoes were in beads,
2:08
different colored santidea
2:11
beads.
2:12
And that that was unusual
2:15
for South Texas In fact, I don't
2:17
think I had ever seen it before.
2:19
somebody or beads cat shovel it as i
2:22
Because coincidentally, he's an expert
2:24
on the religion.
2:25
Folk medicine, Curandarizmo,
2:29
Santander, and so forth.
2:32
Southeasternia
2:32
is an African Arabian religion
2:34
that originated in Cuba as a result
2:37
of slavery. It's sort
2:39
of a fusion of Catholicism and a religion
2:41
from the Yaroo people in West Africa.
2:43
Sun City is popular in Mexico. The
2:45
country just across the border from Brownsville,
2:47
but it's practiced all over the world.
2:50
And in March nineteen eighty nine, Zavaritha's
2:53
just returned from traveling around the world
2:55
studying Suntaria.
2:56
I traveled to Miami,
2:58
a couple of times to study the
3:01
Botanikas.
3:03
I traveled to Puerto Rico
3:06
I
3:06
traveled to Los Angeles. I traveled to
3:08
Chicago. I traveled to San Antonio. I mean, I
3:10
was all over the Mexico city,
3:12
especially Mexico city. So
3:14
he's been spending a lot of time thinking about
3:16
and experiencing suntarilla.
3:19
And
3:19
now all of a sudden I'm seen
3:21
evidence of Santa Ria, like
3:24
Santa Alberto wearing Santa Rosa,
3:27
which
3:27
is very unusual.
3:30
Zaviletta doesn't ask Sada about
3:32
it because he didn't want to intrude
3:34
on his student's personal religious beliefs.
3:37
I
3:37
just I made note of it.
3:39
And I felt it was unusual.
3:42
It was it was strange on
3:44
that particular day. Xaviletta
3:46
says Sara was a good student
3:49
with a bright future ahead and
3:51
a lot of friends, including Setophine
3:53
and Elio Hernandez. They're
3:55
all inside one of those sociology class
3:57
together. Sethafin
3:59
is pretty quiet. He's
4:02
a small guy with a baby face.
4:04
He's studying criminal justice at Texas
4:06
Atmos College in Brownsville. He's
4:09
originally from Houston, Texas, but ended
4:12
up moving to Brownsville after high school to
4:14
pursue a higher education. And
4:16
he's always at Sata's side.
4:19
Like many college students, he and
4:21
Sata would cross the border into Matamoros,
4:23
just across the border from Brownsville. They
4:25
both go visit their families and they
4:27
meet up with their group of friends at Sarafim's
4:30
family's ranch outside of Matamoros.
4:33
Rancho
4:33
Santa Elena.
4:34
On
4:37
April tenth, in the spring of nineteen
4:40
eighty nine, Cetaphine's
4:42
driving down the country roads in
4:44
the rural area around Rancho Santa
4:46
Elena. It's not common
4:48
to see cars on the roads. It's
4:50
pretty quiet around here, mostly
4:52
farmlands. And it's
4:54
certainly not common to see a bright red
4:56
pickup truck like set of scenes speeding
4:58
down the dirt
4:59
roads.
5:00
Cetaphine notices a police roadblock
5:02
up
5:03
ahead, but he doesn't
5:05
slow down. In fact,
5:07
he blows right through the roadblock. like
5:10
the police aren't even there. He's
5:12
not really phased or even
5:14
scared by what he just did because
5:17
he thinks the police
5:19
can't see him literally.
5:22
You see, Cetaphine's fan
5:25
the ranch is
5:28
the home of a pretty huge illegal
5:30
marijuana operation. It's
5:33
also the headquarters
5:34
of a cult.
5:37
A cult that's responsible for the
5:39
ritual murder and sacrifice of at
5:41
least a dozen people.
5:50
I'm
5:50
Jackie Abarra, and this is season
5:52
three of
5:53
darkness. This is episode
5:55
two.
5:59
Mark Yeroy, the twenty one year old
6:01
University of Texas student who crossed the
6:03
border into Matamoros with his friends
6:05
during spring break. has been missing
6:07
in Mexico for more than twenty four
6:09
hours, and the search
6:11
has turned into an international one.
6:14
In the coming days, folks from both
6:16
sides of the border, from Matamoros
6:18
in Mexico and Brunswick in Texas,
6:21
will come together to search for work.
6:24
To understand what this would have been like at the
6:26
time, you have to understand a little bit
6:28
more about Brownsville and Matamoros.
6:33
Although Brownsville is
6:35
the largest city in the Rio Grande Valley,
6:37
it still manages to have a small town
6:40
feel to it. This mostly
6:42
Hispanic community is pretty tight
6:44
knit. It's the kind of place where
6:46
everyone seems to know everyone and
6:48
everyone loves the cheese knit.
6:49
or gossip. Last
6:52
episode, I told you how common it
6:54
is for people to cross the border between
6:56
Brownsville and Matamoros.
6:56
oh
6:58
But the two cities aren't just neighbors.
7:01
They're actually pretty good friends. There's
7:03
even a weeklong festival held every
7:05
February that celebrates that friendship
7:07
and commodity between brownsville and mother
7:09
models. It's called charter
7:11
days and it's filled with music,
7:13
food, and a parade that starts at
7:15
the heart of brownsville and ends in downtown
7:17
at the locals signifying that the
7:19
border isn't a barrier between the two countries.
7:23
And because of Brownsville's proximity to
7:25
Mexico, Bicultural experiences
7:28
are huge here. Who
7:30
definitely hear a lot of Spanglish, which
7:32
is the mingling of English and Spanish.
7:35
You'll see advertisements in both languages
7:37
and many of the restaurants in Brownsville serve
7:40
some of the most authentic Mexican
7:42
food you can get outside of Mexico itself.
7:44
But
7:45
another big thing about people in Brownsville
7:48
is their faith. Many
7:50
of Brownsville's residents are Christian
7:52
and there are a lot of churches here.
7:54
And I spent twenty three years
7:56
in Brazil. Brandsview
7:59
is very simple people.
8:02
is a people, a lot of faith.
8:05
I'll say the churches in Brazil
8:08
always are full.
8:09
That's
8:10
Montenior Juan Niccolo.
8:13
He's been apprised in Brownsville for years,
8:15
mostly at St. Luke's Catholic Church.
8:17
He's eighty four years old now, and even though
8:20
he's technically retired, he
8:22
still finds himself helping out with mass
8:24
and services at the basilica of our
8:26
ladies San Juan Belvaya. Monsignor
8:29
Nikolao is a pretty big
8:31
deal around here. He's been a pretty
8:33
familiar face in the Brownsville community
8:35
for a while and not
8:37
just within the walls of the church.
8:39
He's been recognized by the
8:41
pope. Thus his title, Muncinirod,
8:44
which refers to a priest that's been honored for
8:46
exceptional service to his church or
8:48
diocese.
8:48
At that time, I had a program
8:50
on TV and radio. that
8:52
the TV program lasted for
8:55
thirty years, every Sunday, every
8:57
Sunday, and pure radio. And
8:59
also, I used to have
9:01
an article on the newspapers in
9:03
the valley every Sunday in
9:05
English and Spanish. He
9:08
even
9:08
has five thousand friends on
9:10
Facebook. That shows just
9:12
how connected he is to the community of
9:15
Brownsville. Monsignonique Lau
9:17
is kind of a rock star around the
9:19
community and people tend to look to him for
9:21
guidance and answers, especially
9:24
in times of crisis. So
9:26
when he heard Mark Kilroy had disappeared in
9:29
Matamoros in March nineteen eighty
9:31
nine, he knew he and his
9:33
church had to help in the search for Mark
9:35
in any way that they could.
9:36
we had to help this man. We had to help
9:38
this man. And
9:40
thought this, we had to do whatever we
9:43
can in order to
9:45
to help him. And
9:46
that means coordinating a lot with the police
9:48
as they begin their search for work
9:51
and coordinating with the community.
9:53
They came only to know
9:55
to to find out what happened.
9:57
So they went to the church. And
9:59
we
9:59
started to pray, we formed a community,
10:02
prayers, and but we
10:04
thought it would be a matter which,
10:06
you know, when we
10:08
when we were mandated.
10:10
Mark wasn't from Brownsville. but
10:12
this is the type of city that goes out of their
10:14
way to help people. Even
10:16
if it's not someone the community necessarily
10:19
knows, That's because
10:22
the community is so faithful and
10:25
welcoming. We will
10:25
involve in praying,
10:29
and Denise to
10:31
look to find out what happened.
10:34
And we got together with the police.
10:36
The police got together with me. and
10:38
we got together the the pal the
10:40
pole the pole the pole
10:42
pole pole pole pole pole pole pole pole pole
10:44
pole pole pole pole pole pole valley valley all kind of
10:46
people involved in this
10:48
situation.
10:53
Like
10:55
this show I want to make your own? Let me tell you
10:58
about Anchor. For starters, it's
11:00
free. There are creation tools that
11:02
allow you to port and edit your podcast right
11:04
from your phone or computer. And
11:06
now, you can even add any song from
11:08
Spotify directly to your episodes. The
11:10
possibilities are endless for what you can create,
11:12
whether it's music analysis, your own
11:14
radio show, or something in the world's never heard
11:16
you
11:16
for. Anker
11:18
will distribute your podcast for you, so it
11:20
can be heard on Spotify of a podcast
11:22
and
11:22
many more. You
11:23
can make money for your podcast with no
11:26
minimum listenership. It's everything you need
11:28
to make a podcast in one place.
11:30
Download the free Anchor app or go to anger dot
11:32
f m to
11:33
get started. If you're into
11:35
True Crime, the generation y podcast
11:37
is essential listening. We started
11:39
this podcast over ten years ago to
11:41
dissect some of the craziest and most notable
11:43
murders crimes, and conspiracy
11:45
theories together, and we'd love for you to join
11:47
us. Generation Y is one of the longest
11:49
running true crime podcasts out there,
11:51
and we are still at it. unravelling
11:53
a new case every week. Follow the
11:55
generation y podcast on Amazon
11:57
Music or wherever you listen to podcasts, or
11:59
you can listen ad free by
12:01
joining wondering plus in app.
12:04
It's Wednesday,
12:05
March thirteenth, for the time news
12:07
of March disappearance makes it to
12:09
Brownsville. Mark hasn't
12:11
been seen since two days earlier. If
12:14
you watched any crime TV show,
12:16
you know, that the first forty eight hours
12:18
after someone goes missing, are
12:20
vital to finding them alive. It's
12:23
been more than twenty four hours, but
12:25
more experience and family are holding out
12:27
hope that he's okay.
12:29
Mark's friends aren't partying on South
12:31
Padrait, Ireland anymore. Instead,
12:34
they're sitting at the Camry County Sheriff's
12:36
Department front of an investigator
12:38
ready to tell their story to a man
12:40
who they hope can help them. My name
12:42
is George Gavito.
12:44
I
12:45
was employed at
12:47
the time of the Mark Kilroy case by
12:49
the Cameron County Sheriff's Office.
12:51
I was the chief investigator
12:53
for Cameron County.
12:55
George Gavido strikes an imposing
12:58
figure. He's more than six
13:00
feet tall, but his personality is
13:02
even bigger. He's got a
13:04
booming voice that bounces off the walls
13:06
of his office. When he
13:08
talks, you can't help but listen.
13:10
When we interviewed him at his office in Brownsville
13:13
in twenty twenty one, he wore a white
13:15
button down, freshly showered after a
13:17
morning at the beach. Gabeco's retired
13:20
now, but he's busy.
13:22
He runs a nonprofit that focuses
13:24
on education and opportunity
13:26
in Brownsville. The afternoon we
13:28
interviewed him, he was fielding calls from
13:30
folks who worked for him on his ranch.
13:32
They'd been having problems with poachers.
13:36
But in nineteen eighty nine, Gavido
13:38
was the chief investigator for Cameron
13:40
County, and he's the one who got the
13:42
call when Mark Taylor wrote when missing.
13:44
I was
13:44
sitting in my office, and
13:47
one of the secretaries came in and said
13:49
that there was a couple of kids there.
13:51
that Brownzo PD had sent over.
13:54
They had gone to Brownzo PD to
13:56
report a missing person. And
13:58
they said, well,
14:00
It happened in Mexico. Why don't you
14:02
go talk to George Gavito. George Gavito
14:04
takes all kinds of cases. So
14:06
and that's exactly what the guys told me
14:08
when they got there. so they came in
14:11
and they started telling me the story
14:14
that they had a buddy missing.
14:16
I said, well, what happened?
14:20
were we were we were in in
14:22
Mexico, and
14:24
we started coming back. We
14:26
crossed the bridge and we waited and
14:28
waited and waited for him and he never came
14:30
over him, you know.
14:32
Mark's friends were desperate by
14:35
the time they connected with Gabbitl.
14:36
we've been waiting for him for a day
14:38
and a half, going on two days, and we
14:40
talked to the to his dad, and
14:42
that's it to come down and do a
14:44
a police report
14:46
and and that's why we're here. And I
14:48
said, well, to begin with, you
14:51
know, we
14:52
don't have jurisdiction He's
14:55
right. His department doesn't
14:57
have jurisdiction outside of the county and
15:00
certainly not outside of the
15:02
country. there. I can't do much.
15:04
This happened in Mexico. I can make some
15:06
a few phone calls to see if he's in
15:08
jail or you know, he
15:10
got beat up in the hospital or something, but,
15:12
you know, we really don't
15:14
have any jurisdiction in Mexico.
15:16
As he's talking to the boys about what happened,
15:19
Davido gets a call from a man named
15:21
Orin Neck. He's a US
15:23
customs agent in Brownsville.
15:24
I just got
15:27
a call from LA.
15:29
My
15:30
my my company
15:32
over there his nephew
15:36
is
15:36
missing. And I
15:38
said, oh, hold on. He's
15:41
missing
15:41
from birth. Well, he went to Matamoros.
15:43
He was down spring break. Hold on. Is his
15:45
name by any chance Mark
15:48
something? Yeah.
15:50
Yeah. That's it, Mark Kilroy. I
15:52
too know, well, I got two kids
15:54
here that that were
15:56
with him, his buddies,
15:58
Where
15:58
Gavito is a tall man with a big
16:01
personality, Nick is
16:03
more unassuming. He's serious
16:05
and straight to the point. Like
16:07
a veto or a neck is also a
16:09
valid native. So he knows
16:11
the community and especially the
16:13
border pretty well. And
16:15
it's unusual for him to be involved in
16:17
the search for Mark.
16:19
Customs agents don't usually get involved
16:21
in missing persons cases. But
16:23
since his good friend, Ken Kilroy caught
16:25
him up, he wanted to help. Ken
16:28
is Mark's uncle and godfather.
16:31
He's a fellow customs agent based in Los
16:33
Angeles, and when he got word
16:35
that his godson was missing in Matamoros,
16:37
he knew he had to call up
16:39
our neck. ORNEG
16:40
died in twenty fourteen, so
16:42
we couldn't interview him for this podcast.
16:45
But you'll
16:45
hear his voice from old news clips throughout
16:47
the spot cast and you'll hear
16:49
Gabitha talk about him a
16:50
lot. Here's
16:52
Gabitha talking about when Oren caught
16:54
him about the case. He
16:56
said, man, we gotta help
16:58
this guy. I said, well, let me see what I
17:00
can do. He says, man, I'll put some people
17:02
with you, to help you guys. You know, I'll
17:04
send two or three guys over there.
17:06
In fact, let me let me
17:08
send one over there right now and we
17:10
can start looking at
17:12
this. The law enforcement team begins to form.
17:14
Right now, it's Nick and Gavito along
17:16
with a couple of people from customs and
17:18
the county sheriff's office working together.
17:21
Together, they start gathering all the
17:24
information about Mark they can possibly
17:26
get. They hear about all the
17:28
bars the boys visited at Matamoros and
17:30
they get a description of what Mark was wearing
17:32
that night, a black, short
17:34
sleeve, button up shirt, light
17:37
colored pants with black, tan, and
17:39
brown
17:39
stripes, black
17:40
loafers, a gray belt, and a
17:42
gold chain and gold watch. They
17:45
also arranged to get Jim, Mark's
17:47
dad, to fax over a picture
17:49
of Mark. It's the one we mentioned
17:51
last episode where he's smiling
17:53
from ear to ear with his shaggy blonde
17:55
hair. But beyond that,
17:57
there's not much the boys can help law
17:59
enforcement with. right now. So
18:01
they go back to South Padre, Ireland while
18:03
George Gavido and her neck get to
18:05
work. At first,
18:07
Gavithua neck don't read too much into this random missing
18:09
college kid. They think he's in
18:11
jail somewhere or still sleeping off
18:14
the party. But
18:16
then, Gavito gets a phone call that forces
18:18
him to take this seriously. His
18:20
dad
18:20
gave me a rundown of
18:22
who Mark was. and
18:25
just
18:25
listening to the father
18:27
and the
18:28
mother on the phone on
18:31
what who
18:32
Mark was and and his buddies also to
18:35
seeing the type of kids they were, you know, you could
18:37
tell what type of
18:38
kid Mark was. and
18:40
and
18:40
I could see he wasn't a type of guy that he
18:43
was not gonna call his parents and
18:46
and just disappear. with
18:48
a woman or or five the
18:50
five million things that we could think that would
18:52
happen to him, you know, on his own, you
18:54
know, be in jail, get
18:56
drunk, you know, be with somebody, be doing drugs, all
18:59
that. It didn't fit. So
19:01
right there, I started saying, you know, something
19:03
happened here. This
19:04
is where things get messy.
19:06
Finding a missing person in a foreign country
19:08
isn't easy or
19:09
straightforward. They take
19:11
the logical first step They start
19:13
calling hospitals and jails in the area.
19:15
The American consulate does some searching
19:17
too, but they're not much help.
19:20
They say there aren't any Americans in jail anywhere
19:22
in Mexico, which seems
19:24
unlikely during spring break.
19:27
The continent also thinks Mark will show up soon, and
19:29
they end up telling investigators to leave
19:31
it to Mexican officials. So two
19:33
law enforcement
19:34
agents head into Matamoros
19:36
to check again in person, expecting to see
19:39
the cells full of students who got to
19:41
drunk or too rowdy with
19:43
Mexican police. But they only
19:45
find
19:45
one American in jail, and he's
19:47
from the University of Miami,
19:49
and he's never heard of Mark Kilroy.
19:52
Orenek himself decides to hit the streets
19:54
near where Mark disappeared. He waves
19:57
around a photo of Mark asking people
19:59
if they've seen
19:59
him, but
20:01
Nothing. He knew it was
20:03
a shot in the dark, but at this point, they
20:05
have no saw that leads on mark.
20:08
This
20:08
episode is brought to you by Carvana.
20:11
Carvana is in the business of driving
20:13
you happy and with the widest
20:15
election of used cars under twenty thousand dollars,
20:18
you're bound to find a car that'll put a smile
20:20
on your face. They even offer
20:22
customizable financing so you can plan your
20:24
down in monthly payments. to shop thousands
20:26
of affordable vehicles one hundred percent online,
20:28
download the app or visit carvana
20:30
dot com. Availability may
20:31
vary by market.
20:33
True crime
20:34
lovers, get ready to uncover
20:37
court cases that you won't hear
20:39
anywhere else. I'm excited
20:41
to share with you another podcast that I
20:43
know you're love. The fault
20:45
line. On each episode, the fault
20:47
line digs deep into code cases
20:49
that have received little if
20:51
any public attention. They focus
20:53
on unsolved murders, unidentified
20:56
persons, and disappearances. particularly
20:58
those involving communities marginalized by
21:01
mainstream media or investigation.
21:03
Through expert interviews and long form
21:05
coverage of cases like those
21:07
of the Millbrook twins, Raymond Green, Robert
21:10
Martin, and Ella Banderos.
21:12
The phone line takes
21:13
you deep inside these cases and
21:15
explore is the cutting edge science and
21:18
technology that could help
21:19
solve them. I recommend our
21:20
listeners check out their episodes on
21:23
the victims of Samuel Little.
21:25
as well as their look into a little known series
21:27
of Atlanta serial killings, including
21:29
the
21:29
historical Atlanta Ripper to the Atlanta
21:32
lovers lane murders. Both
21:34
great series. If you loved
21:36
diving deep into unsolved cold cases,
21:39
join the fall line on their quest to
21:41
uncover these ignored stories. We
21:43
really enjoy this podcast and we think you will
21:45
too. Check out the follow on on
21:47
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever
21:49
you listen to podcasts.
21:53
By Thursday
21:55
morning, forty eight hours after Mark
21:57
was last seen, Jim Kilroy shows
21:59
up in Brownsville. along
22:01
with a friend who volunteered to help with the search. His
22:05
wife, Helen, stayed behind in case
22:07
anybody caused their house with information
22:09
about Mark.
22:10
Jim's worried and
22:13
scared about what was happening. And
22:15
according to the book Jim wrote with
22:17
journalist Bob Stewart, Mark's friends are in
22:19
for a rough morning. Mark's
22:21
friend, Bill Huddlston, saw
22:23
Mark talking to a stranger before he
22:26
disappeared. so officials want to
22:28
hypnotize him to get information. Someone
22:30
from the
22:30
Texas Department of Health and Human
22:33
Services will put him in the trends
22:35
like state. which they
22:36
hope will unlock full concentration
22:38
and focus. In nineteen eighty
22:40
nine, hypnosis was just another tool
22:42
law enforcement officers used to
22:44
help solve crime. It was
22:47
a pretty common practice all the way up until
22:49
twenty twenty one when Texas passed the
22:51
law banning hypnosis and law enforcement
22:54
settings. But on this Thursday morning,
22:56
in March nineteen eighty nine, investigators
22:58
hope to search both subconscious
23:00
for an image of what or
23:03
who he saw the night mark when
23:05
missing. During the session, Bo
23:07
described the exact location where
23:09
Mark disappeared. In
23:11
his trans, he saw someone talking to
23:13
Mark that night, but he couldn't quite
23:15
make out what the person looked like.
23:17
So they
23:17
couldn't make a sketch to release to
23:20
the public. Investigators
23:20
decided to do the next best thing.
23:23
They put up a
23:23
reward. Five thousand dollars
23:25
to anyone with information about
23:27
what happened to Mark.
23:30
While they wait and hope the reward money
23:32
will bring someone forward, they look
23:34
for more help on the other side of
23:36
the border. It's a struggle
23:38
getting the Mexican authorities to
23:40
cooperate. Corruption runs rampant
23:42
in the local police departments, but
23:44
more This is a bigger case
23:46
for a small police department. So
23:48
Gavido brings in the big guns,
23:50
someone he knows and trusts. So
23:52
the only one that was helping us was
23:54
the
23:55
comandante.
23:58
Kabrito
23:59
there
23:59
introduces Jim Kilroy to Juan
24:02
Benita Sayela. the commander of the
24:04
Mexican federal judicial police
24:06
department. Basically, the
24:07
law enforcement agency that takes on
24:09
cases throughout all of Mexico.
24:12
Has
24:12
a reputation
24:14
for getting things done in Mexico.
24:17
He's cleaned up
24:17
a lot of the corruption in his department since
24:19
he got into and he
24:21
tells Jim that we're a translator that he'll
24:23
help him find his son. By
24:25
Friday morning, seventy two hours
24:27
after Marx disappeared. Law
24:30
enforcement knows they need a new plan of
24:32
action. The
24:33
spring breakers will leave town soon and
24:35
they need to know if someone saw something.
24:37
Here's
24:38
Gavito again. I
24:39
said, okay, guys. It's
24:42
important that we
24:44
hit the streets, and we
24:46
get flyers, and get this stuff on
24:49
TV and the whole thing. Because
24:51
all these kids aren't
24:53
gonna be here next week. And
24:55
all if we have any witnesses of any
24:57
kind, we gotta we gotta concentrate
24:59
right now. And
25:00
since Jim Carrolloy's in town, he's
25:03
the face investigators put in front of the
25:04
cameras. You
25:06
you appeal more to the public
25:08
when it's the parents.
25:09
that are that are doing, you know, I do the
25:12
interview, but but it was apparent, you know,
25:14
asking for help and everything. It was
25:16
important. And not only
25:17
was Jim more than happy to do it,
25:19
he was determined to help in any
25:21
way he could.
25:22
He would bring me a cup of coffee in
25:24
the morning, and he
25:25
would just stick around to see how
25:27
he could help. Jim makes his
25:29
TV debut on a local news channel
25:31
in the valley. Our
25:34
Mars
25:34
whereabouts are still in
25:36
men.
25:37
My name
25:44
is
25:44
Letty Fernandez. and
25:46
I was a reporter
25:49
at KGBT,
25:50
the CBS affiliate
25:52
in the Rio Grande Valley, covering
25:54
the
25:54
the Mark Kilroy case. We
25:58
had the law enforcement
25:59
people had told us
26:02
you know, that a student had been missing
26:05
and they wanted us to get the story
26:07
out. But really, the
26:08
first story that was
26:10
published about it was in the Brownsville
26:13
Herald. And the rep that
26:15
reporter Lisa Baker had
26:17
interviewed several
26:19
of the law enforcement people
26:21
and
26:21
mister Kilroy, Mark's
26:23
dad. And
26:24
then from that point on,
26:26
we
26:26
started covering
26:27
the story. the TV reporters. And
26:31
so from the onset, we
26:33
were there and even
26:35
the first time mister mayor came down
26:37
to start searching
26:39
for his son, we were covering
26:41
the I was covering the
26:43
story. Lithy
26:45
said
26:45
she didn't cover the story just because it
26:47
was a breaking news story. She
26:50
wanted to help. So
26:52
it was
26:52
a sense of not only covering
26:54
the stories as journalist, but
26:56
but also helping to
26:58
get the word out
27:00
and hopefully and hoping to find
27:02
his son. And the the
27:04
first time I interviewed him, that
27:07
was like the only time he had
27:09
ever really broken down emotionally.
27:11
then after that, he was
27:12
always very strong and very
27:15
but he just,
27:16
you know, was this this
27:18
it was just a apparent
27:20
wanting to find his
27:23
son. So
27:24
we just wanted to do what we could
27:27
to help get that
27:28
message
27:29
out there. This would
27:31
be the first of many times
27:33
Jim Kirroy would appear on TV.
27:36
pleading
27:36
for answers in his son's disappearance.
27:40
Lethey
27:40
would go on to interview him every
27:42
day during the search for And at
27:44
just one point, I think it was when he was
27:46
talking about Mark is when he he
27:48
broke down and and
27:51
he had
27:52
I mean, it
27:55
was very sad to see that because it
27:57
was a a
27:59
the father
27:59
father talking about his son, and he was
28:02
missing.
28:02
And and but
28:04
he but after that, he
28:06
never He was just very strong and very. He
28:08
would never he
28:10
didn't break down.
28:11
Letty got to know Jim and Helen
28:14
Kilroy pretty well throughout the search for
28:16
their son. especially Jim.
28:19
The fact
28:19
that their son was missing and was
28:21
seen in another country and
28:23
and
28:26
I mean, you felt his pain. You felt that
28:28
you felt his pain. They're
28:30
pain. And and I think a lot of
28:32
that's a lot of people in the community.
28:35
Felt
28:35
up. As led these
28:37
interviews with Jim aired on the news each
28:39
day, Brownsville residents began to join
28:41
the search for Mark.
28:43
That's That's kind of the
28:44
way Brownsville is. You know, if
28:46
we have a crisis, people
28:49
come in. People
28:50
really do come out and and
28:53
show their support for people. And
28:55
and I think he I know he felt that
28:58
and
29:00
I
29:00
know he did. A
29:02
local school helps the family by printing
29:05
flyers. Local church members form
29:07
committees and prayer groups. Monsenio
29:10
Nicolas' church leads the effort. Nicolas,
29:11
we have to help. We
29:13
have to get together.
29:15
The whole community Burda, even though
29:17
we did not know exactly what
29:20
happened, I preached that
29:22
that that we had to have faith.
29:25
Shopify
29:27
presents cool
29:29
sheets from aha to
29:32
I suffered from the wrong kind of
29:34
hot and bed. heat induced insomnia. That was
29:37
my aha moment. Bed
29:39
sheets that keep you cool. Then I
29:41
thought, how do I even sell bed
29:43
sheets? That's when I had the idea that
29:45
made it all possible. Signing up
29:47
on Shopify. This is possibility
29:50
powered by Shopify, sign up for
29:52
a free trial at shop shopify dot com slash twenty
29:54
two. Shopify dot com slash offer
29:56
twenty two. When Jim Care Roy shows up
29:58
in Brownsville to look for
29:59
Mark, he's feeling
30:01
helpless. His son
30:03
is still missing and he's
30:04
nearly four hundred miles away from his
30:07
wife, Helen. So
30:08
he went to
30:09
a place, he knew he'd feel safe
30:11
and at home.
30:13
Church. As devoted
30:15
Catholics, Jim and the Carolinas were
30:17
the kind of family that go to church
30:20
every Sunday.
30:21
Helen was
30:22
even a volunteer Sunday school teacher
30:24
back in their hometown of Santa Fe,
30:27
Texas. And they instilled those
30:29
beliefs in their sons from
30:30
a young age. Here's
30:32
Ryan friendly, Mark's friend
30:34
who pulled out of the spring break trip at the last
30:36
minute to go snow skiing instead.
30:38
And
30:38
there was a time when his dad
30:40
walked in
30:41
the lunchroom and he was reading the bible.
30:43
And he's thinking,
30:44
well, he should be studying. He's got a exam coming
30:46
up. Were you gonna tell your son to
30:48
not read the bible? But that's the
30:50
way Mark was. He would he was
30:53
he
30:53
was
30:54
studious academically,
30:57
but he also
30:57
had strong
30:59
faith.
30:59
Everyone we interviewed for this
31:02
podcast told us that the Kilroy's Christian
31:04
faith was one of the first things they
31:06
noticed about them. Here's let
31:07
me again. Like I remember in the in
31:09
my stories, I would talk about their
31:12
faith and how important
31:14
it was that that was keep I think
31:16
even mister Kilroy talked about it and
31:18
those interviews about believing,
31:22
relying on his faith to help them get through
31:24
this. And and I knew that they were
31:26
that he was he was
31:28
going to mass a lot. at
31:30
one of the churches
31:31
there in town.
31:33
Even
31:33
Monsignor Nikolau, a priest with
31:36
decades of experience in
31:38
the church was amazed by the CareVoice
31:40
faith in such stressful circumstances.
31:42
I don't understand why they had
31:44
so much faith. that was
31:47
a miracle. The mother
31:49
that had moved to the marriage every
31:51
day and all
31:53
that is Tell me, well,
31:55
for the whole community, for the whole world,
31:57
it was was an
31:59
example
31:59
of faith. That
32:02
was a testimony. They
32:04
never lost hope.
32:07
Never. As a
32:08
community prays and passes out
32:10
flyers, investigators are still searching
32:12
for any information.
32:15
They think there's a break in the case when they
32:17
hear that two spring breakers had
32:19
been injured. one in the same
32:21
area where Mark was last seen. So
32:23
the investigators do another sweep with the
32:25
hospitals and jails for any sign
32:27
of Mark, but still Nothing.
32:29
The attacks weren't
32:30
related.
32:32
Investigators know the chances of finding Mark
32:35
alive are getting grim. They
32:37
started throwing around more theories.
32:39
Maybe he had a brush with the corrupt
32:41
law enforcement officer and was killed because
32:44
of it. but it's
32:46
unlikely. The area Mark was in
32:48
was frequented by spring breakers, so
32:50
it was somewhat of a safe zone for
32:52
tourists like him. I talked to Oscar
32:54
Gassadis, a novelist, an SAS
32:56
who writes primarily about the US Mexico
32:58
border, specifically South
33:00
Texas and the Rio Grande Valley.
33:02
Oscar referred to the area where Mark disappeared as
33:04
a, quote, green zone. It's
33:07
kind of like
33:07
arriving at the embassy.
33:09
you know, you're you're you're you're in the green
33:12
zone. If
33:14
if something happens there,
33:16
you know, I mean, if if you're
33:19
just toast because
33:21
it shouldn't I mean, it it shouldn't happen
33:23
there.
33:23
Oscar's talking about Garcia's, one of the
33:26
most legendary restaurants in
33:28
Matamoros. It's right by the bridge to
33:30
Brownsville and its right near remark
33:32
when missing. Oscar grew
33:34
up crossing over the border from Brownsville
33:37
to Matamoros and says in the years
33:39
before Mark's disappearance, he
33:41
never thought twice about it being dangerous.
33:43
You had been going there for
33:45
years and didn't think anything it
33:47
and then like, this happens. Right?
33:50
So even the
33:50
folks frequenting locomotives at
33:52
this time couldn't be sure what
33:54
the possibilities were. investigators
33:57
decide to start searching through all the
33:59
places they think a body might
34:01
be buried. And the
34:04
search turns from a missing person's
34:06
investigation to a homicide investigation.
34:08
investigation
34:12
On Saturday,
34:14
four days after Marx disappeared. Authorities
34:16
decided to search the Rio Grande River.
34:18
The river separates
34:19
Mexico and the
34:22
United States. More than fifty agents and a border patrol
34:24
helicopter look through the brush on
34:26
either side of the
34:28
Rio Grande. The
34:30
water's not too deep and it's muddy, but
34:32
it would be easy to spot
34:34
something floating in the water.
34:37
Jim
34:37
Kerr wrote joins in the search, peering
34:40
through the murky water for
34:41
his son's body. Here's
34:43
what Jim said about the moment
34:45
in his book.
34:46
So I prayed. I prayed to find
34:49
him. I prayed
34:50
to not find him. I prayed
34:52
that if he was found,
34:53
it would be
34:55
someone else.
34:56
And finally, I prayed that we would
34:57
not find him here, but that I would be
35:00
reunited with
35:02
him.
35:04
They return
35:04
to the river on Sunday. They fly with the search
35:07
and find nothing. So they go
35:09
back to fast enough
35:12
flyers. Mark's face smiles out
35:13
from the posters in black and
35:15
white.
35:15
Mornica Rodriguez Davis
35:17
remembers those
35:20
flyers. My
35:21
name is Monica
35:24
Rodriguez Davis. And
35:26
while they were searching
35:28
for Mark, his family, his
35:30
father
35:31
and his son and his mother at
35:33
one point stayed with us. We
35:36
opened
35:36
our home to them.
35:40
while they were searching for their son. In nineteen eighty
35:42
nine, Monika was seventeen years
35:44
old, a junior in high school
35:47
when Mark Carroy disappeared.
35:49
remember my
35:49
dad or my family used to go to Saint
35:52
Luke's Church in Brownsville
35:54
at the
35:56
time. And when the story
35:58
broke, I think it hit the newspaper. It
36:00
might have been on the news once or
36:02
twice. I don't I don't know,
36:04
but my father became aware
36:06
of it. And he
36:07
recognized mister
36:08
Kilroy at Mass
36:11
one morning, and he
36:14
approached him and told him that
36:16
he was aware of the situation and what was
36:18
going on with the sun and how he was
36:20
missing. And he just told
36:22
him, you know, you have a
36:24
home here until
36:24
you, you know, until you,
36:26
you know,
36:28
find
36:28
him. Jim
36:29
Kilroy
36:31
met Monica's father Joe
36:33
Rodriguez at church. Joe
36:36
or more affectionately known as coach
36:38
Joe in the community is the kind of
36:40
man who would help anyone in a
36:42
situation like this. But as
36:44
we've established, that's pretty common
36:46
down here. My
36:46
father had always felt that if I
36:49
can help, I'm gonna help, and I'm gonna help
36:51
in any way I can. whether, you know, he's just
36:53
gonna do it. And he was always that type
36:55
of person. And I think he was
36:57
a really good person to be involved
36:59
in this just because
37:02
he wasn't afraid
37:03
to go up to
37:05
people and
37:07
start a conversation. Over
37:09
the next month, Monica's house
37:11
turns into what was known as
37:13
the war room. In law terms,
37:15
I call it the war room,
37:17
you know, where they have everything there so they can
37:19
prepare for the case or the trial,
37:21
it almost felt like a war
37:24
room in that little table that
37:26
we had. Monica's
37:27
kitchen table would become the place where law enforcement agents such
37:29
as George Gavito and Oranek
37:31
would have meetings. Monica's
37:35
used to her house being
37:37
busy. After all, she said having people over
37:39
for Barbecco Atacos and a big red on
37:42
Sundays was normal for her
37:44
Mexican family. as it is in mind,
37:46
but
37:46
this felt different. This was serious. Throughout
37:48
the first two weeks of the search,
37:50
the Care Royce and the Brownsville
37:54
community stay in a constant loop of press interviews,
37:56
prayers, and passing out
37:58
flyers. The community's
38:00
efforts
38:00
work. The
38:02
case captures the attention of producers for the show America's
38:04
Most Wanted, who agreed to
38:06
do a segment on Mark's disappearance.
38:09
America's most wanted a national TV show
38:11
aimed at finding missing persons and
38:13
fugitives dedicated a five minute segment of the show
38:15
to the for twenty one year old Mark
38:17
Kilroy, a UT premed student who disappeared
38:19
during a spring break trip to
38:22
Mexico. The producers bring in the
38:24
three friends who were with Mark the night
38:26
he disappeared. to go to
38:28
Matamoros and reenact the night
38:30
exactly as it happened.
38:32
They even
38:32
hire an actor to portray Mark.
38:34
Here's
38:35
a clip of Bill. The last friend
38:37
to see Mark before he
38:39
disappeared. Buddy, I have to take
38:41
a quick glimpse to the right. and I
38:43
saw something in motioning March. That was the last time
38:45
I'd seen March. The show
38:47
airs on
38:48
Easter Sunday. It
38:51
features yet another plea from Mark's parents desperate to
38:53
find their son. Here's
38:56
his mom.
38:57
Helen. If anyone has
38:59
seen anything that comes to
39:01
their mind, please call us and
39:03
let us know. Going
39:05
into week three of the surge,
39:07
the America's most wanted broadcast gives the
39:10
case the attention
39:12
it needs. People helping with the surge back in the Kilroy's
39:14
hometown of Santa Fe hang yellow
39:16
ribbons to
39:18
raise awareness. They plan a
39:20
week full of, quote, more Kilroy
39:22
awareness
39:24
days. Law enforcement in the Valley reached out
39:26
to their connections in the
39:28
Mexican mafia. to see if anyone knows anything.
39:30
They assigned registered nurses to go
39:32
to every single hospital in the city
39:34
to search
39:36
for work. The Care Roy's meet with state representatives
39:38
and the governor's office, as well
39:40
as Texas Attorney General,
39:42
Jim Mattox. who sends one of his
39:44
aides to Matamoros to
39:46
investigate. The hotshot mayor, San
39:48
Antonio, Henricas Nettos, even
39:51
goes to Matamoros, to meet with Mexican
39:53
authorities. But despite the firepower behind the
39:56
surge, authorities still don't
39:58
have
39:59
any leads. which
40:00
is honestly fairly normal in a missing person's case
40:03
like this. Things move
40:06
slowly. But Jim
40:07
and Helen Carroy still
40:10
have hope. Welding up
40:11
well, but it's
40:13
a matter of what
40:16
can you do? You know, how how much
40:18
can you do and you start to run out
40:20
of things that you can do? to
40:22
try to find Mark. That's
40:23
the hardest thing is just not knowing what's happened
40:25
to Mark. You you
40:26
know what I mean? It
40:28
would be hard to
40:31
be at any kind of rest,
40:32
you know, and and not to keep
40:34
trying to find out what has
40:36
has happened to Mark because I
40:39
still feel that he's,
40:40
you know, he's being held somewhere
40:43
and,
40:43
you know, we
40:45
have to find him.
40:47
March turns
40:48
into April. It's been nearly
40:50
a month since March disappeared.
40:54
Some tips
40:54
trickle in, but they're mostly useless.
40:58
Properly, people
40:58
looking for a shot that reward money, which
41:00
has increased to fifteen thousand dollars
41:02
after some fundraising in Brownsville.
41:05
One promisingly pops up when Helen gets
41:07
a phone call at the Caroli Santa Fe
41:09
home from someone who knows
41:11
where Mark is. She even tries to meet up
41:13
with this person multiple times with the reward
41:16
money, but no one ever
41:18
shows up. one ever shows Nothing
41:20
else happens until that April
41:22
morning when the college
41:24
student said Afina Mández, blows
41:27
past the
41:28
police checkpoint, thinking
41:29
the police can't see
41:32
him. Here's George
41:33
Gavito again. They had a
41:35
robot. setup. They were checking
41:37
people going through, and
41:39
and and he
41:40
didn't stop at the roadblock. He
41:42
he just
41:43
just kept going. went right through it.
41:45
I mentioned earlier that
41:46
Sanofi was one of many students
41:48
who crossed over to MatHemoros regularly.
41:52
and that SediFene's family were known drug dealers in
41:54
the area. They've got
41:56
a multimillion dollar marijuana operation
42:00
and dozens of Sanofi's
42:02
relatives work in the family
42:04
business. One of them was just famously involved
42:06
in a fatal shootout Mexican authorities
42:08
at Matamoros Bar, so they're
42:10
known by law enforcement. They've
42:13
got this ranch. You're
42:15
already familiar with it. I
42:17
told you about enchos Antalena
42:19
in episode one. It's the place
42:21
where all those bodies are buried,
42:24
but authorities don't know
42:26
that yet. They just think they've caught a member of a
42:28
notorious drug family with a bit of
42:30
marijuana on him so they can search
42:32
the ranch.
42:33
So these guys chased them and he went
42:35
into the ranch. About a mile up, ran into
42:37
the ranch, drove all the way into
42:39
the ranch, and well,
42:44
come on and all these guys were right behind him. They round up
42:46
and
42:46
taken everyone they find there,
42:48
including the elderly caretaker.
42:50
They
42:51
find somebody one other wrench. So
42:53
they get the money one other, and that they have a caretaker
42:55
that takes care of the ranch. I need you. You
42:57
know, the poor guy just
43:00
feats and goats and everything, but they big they big came
43:02
up too, and they brought them both to the
43:05
office. The CAR T
43:07
speaker is only one who was in
43:09
arrested, but they questioned him anyway. So
43:11
I said, you know what?
43:12
We're gonna keep you here under house arrest. You're
43:15
gonna stay here in the office? that's
43:17
make sure you're not involved or everything. And if
43:19
you're not in the next couple of days, we'll let
43:21
you go. So he spends the
43:23
next couple of
43:24
nights in the Comenada's office.
43:26
He's
43:26
cleaning up, looking around, even sleeping on the
43:29
sofa before the caretaker sees
43:31
someone he recognizes.
43:35
saw He said, hey,
43:38
you look at
43:38
law school. He just took
43:40
the guard. He knows him.
43:43
The guard
43:43
who's watching the caretaker is
43:46
surprised. You know
43:47
him? Did he?
43:50
How
43:50
do you know? They had
43:52
them at the ranch. They had
43:55
them in this apartment.
43:56
They had them tied up. This
43:59
Are
43:59
you sure? Yes. Because I would give them
44:02
water and I would give them bread. They had them there
44:04
for two days to end up in
44:06
a suburb Are you sure it was
44:08
him? Yes. You know, what happened
44:10
to I don't know. They all
44:12
came, and then he was in the suburban. They
44:14
told me to go do some stuff,
44:16
and then you
44:17
know, what they did to him or whatever. I
44:19
don't know
44:19
him. The caretaker has just
44:22
pointed out a picture
44:24
of
44:26
Mark Kilroy. Next,
44:32
on season
44:33
three of darkness. You
44:36
know, there's
44:37
about twenty more
44:38
bodies right here. What do you mean?
44:40
Twenty more bodies? See, there's
44:42
this one here and you walk this through. There's
44:44
one there and there's one there and and oh, shit.
44:49
were all sacrificed.
44:52
A couple were shot. Some
44:54
of them
44:55
were hit the back
44:57
of the head with my Jetty's
45:00
and sledgehammers.
45:02
This
45:06
season of darkness is
45:07
reported, hosted, and produced by
45:09
me, Jackie
45:10
Buda. Katie
45:12
Pentjigalka and Robert Quickly are the executive producers. This
45:15
podcast is presented by The Drag, a
45:17
student run audio production house at the
45:19
University of Texas at
45:22
Austin's Moody College of Communication. Seyla Olivarez is the
45:24
lead sound designer and editor for this season
45:26
of darkness. And the assistant editor
45:29
is Heather Stewart, Special thanks
45:32
to Maryann Navarro for being the lead reporter
45:34
on this story when this project
45:36
first began. The associate producers are
45:38
Emily Rubin, Meghan Kirby, Jay
45:42
Herman, Khadija Balde,
45:46
Bethany Stark, and Miranda Villages. The artwork was designed by
45:48
Helen Holsey and
45:50
Alexa Georgios.
45:52
is the
45:54
drag's marketing and communications manager, and Grace Robertson is the
45:57
drag's PR manager. Christian McDonald
45:59
is our
45:59
technical director. Special
46:01
thanks to Bob Buckaloo at K
46:03
View TV in Austin for all his
46:06
time and effort finding archival footage
46:08
for us to use in
46:10
these episodes. and thanks to K View for letting us use the
46:12
audio. A huge thank
46:14
you to Leslie Schrock for all her support
46:18
and guidance. We
46:19
also want to thank Jay Bernhardt,
46:22
David Rive, Rachel
46:23
Davis Marcy,
46:26
Alison Dawson, and Kathleen Mabelie of the Moody College of
46:28
Communication. The drag is a nonprofit
46:30
educational organization that is made
46:32
possible by daughters
46:34
like you. please support our
46:36
work by going to the drag audio dot
46:38
com slash donate. Every dollar
46:40
goes directly to producing more content
46:42
like this, while giving students
46:43
like me, an amazing educational experience.
46:46
Thank you.
Podchaser is the ultimate destination for podcast data, search, and discovery. Learn More