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Well, I'm glad that we have Chuck

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Bentley in studio. Chuck, I've

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known you for a couple of years now, but it's always

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been through zoom, so it's nice to actually

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see you in the flesh, my friend. Thanks for coming in

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today.

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It's great to be here. You've invited me so many

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times and I finally said, let's just do it.

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And I'm on my way to another meeting

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here in the area. And so I wanted to stop

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in and be with you guys. And I'm sorry, I don't

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get to be with Don as well,

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but please tell her I said hello.

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Oh, this just gives me one thing to

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just kind of give a hard time about teaser. That

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she wasn't here the day that you were, so

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that'll be good. Yeah.

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That's great.

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Well, uh, Crown is a great

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place to go if you've got financial questions, if

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you're struggling with a handling of

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God's money, his way and financial

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stewardship. Crown. Org. Great

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place to go. And, uh, on

1:01

the the website, Chuck, you've got this blog where

1:03

we answer listeners questions. And there was one recently

1:05

that, uh, was popped

1:07

up there I thought was a great question,

1:09

great topic for us to spend a few minutes talking

1:12

about this morning. And that had to do with

1:14

breaking financial strongholds. Someone

1:16

wrote and said, hey, I'm pretty new believer,

1:19

depressed by my poor handling of money.

1:21

How can I do better with

1:23

handling of money from a Christian

1:26

perspective? And you talked about breaking

1:28

financial strongholds. What what do

1:30

you mean by that? Let's start right there. What does it mean

1:32

to break a financial stronghold?

1:34

Well, when you back up a little bit,

1:36

you think about that word that we use

1:38

often in the Christian lexicon.

1:40

We we say it a lot and

1:43

there are songs about breaking strongholds,

1:45

but a lot of times we don't really know what they are.

1:47

And so I delved into it, and

1:49

it's defined in Second Corinthians ten

1:52

that their arguments raised against the knowledge

1:54

of God, they're basically lies about

1:56

God. And when we believe

1:58

a lie about God, then our behavior,

2:01

our, uh, follows, uh, in,

2:03

in line with that and

2:05

we stay captive to it. And

2:08

a lot of times a stronghold is

2:10

putting ourselves in a prison that we want

2:12

to be in. In other words, we've bought into

2:15

that belief system and we like it,

2:17

and we willingly stay in this

2:19

stronghold and we don't even realize we're there.

2:21

The best example I have of it, as I

2:23

was teaching in Taiwan, it's

2:25

a very small country, and

2:28

we left dinner walking down the street.

2:30

I don't know if you've heard me tell this story, but

2:32

I saw all these people stopping

2:34

at these hibachis. There's an open flame,

2:37

these little small grills, every about

2:39

every 100 yards. And, uh,

2:41

when they would bend over, I thought they were going to

2:43

get food, but they weren't. They were putting money

2:45

in the hibachi. Huh? And

2:48

I said, can I take a look

2:50

at that? And I literally got up close to it

2:52

and I said, it is what I thought it is.

2:54

They're burning money. And

2:57

my guest said, yeah, I'll explain it later.

2:59

And he didn't want to even go there. But

3:01

this is a regular thing. And I

3:03

looked it up. And

3:06

what it what they're doing is

3:08

they're trying to send money to their

3:10

dead relatives who they believe are in hell.

3:12

Oh, wow. And the only way to get

3:15

that money there is if they burn

3:17

it. It's called Joss paper.

3:19

It's a it's a practice that's been going on

3:21

for centuries. And they

3:23

burn about 400 million USD

3:25

a year. Wow. So people

3:27

in hell need a lot of money, Steve, apparently.

3:30

And when I looked at that, I

3:32

realized they're doing that because

3:34

of what they believe about God. Or don't

3:36

believe about God. In other words, they're in a

3:38

stronghold and it's costing them

3:40

a lot of money. And the light bulb

3:42

went off. Oh my goodness. We

3:44

all have some sort of belief

3:47

about God that manifests

3:49

how we handle money just like them. Now, we

3:51

we may not see it in ourselves,

3:54

but that's what a stronghold is.

3:55

Yeah, I can just imagine

3:57

us being like, okay, I see the ridiculousness

4:00

of that literally burning

4:02

money. I think how many of us

4:04

figuratively burn money in

4:07

some of the decisions and strongholds that we may

4:09

find ourselves in, uh, what are some

4:11

of the strongholds that you see

4:14

us American, Western

4:16

Christians potentially finding themselves

4:18

in that? Like you said, we don't necessarily recognize

4:20

it. But if you're looking at it from the outside, you're like,

4:23

oh, there's one and there's one. What are some of the more common

4:25

ones?

4:25

Well, I was filling up with gas recently

4:27

and I watched this young man pull

4:29

in. It was early morning. He was on his way

4:31

to work. He was, I think, a construction

4:33

worker. He paid for

4:35

his gas at the pump, but then he went inside,

4:37

got a cup of coffee, came back and did a

4:39

scratch off ticket. And I watched

4:41

him doing this and he didn't win. So

4:43

he went back and he got another one. He would stand

4:45

by his truck, scratch it off again. He

4:48

did it three times and I think they were

4:50

$5. Well, he burned

4:52

15, 15.

4:53

Bucks right there.

4:53

He burned it right in front of me. And I thought,

4:55

oh, the poor guy. You know, he probably

4:58

spent his first. Hour of wages

5:00

already before you ever got

5:02

to work. And he's

5:04

in this stronghold of

5:06

hoping that he's going to win.

5:08

You know, the the lottery for

5:11

many people is their hope. They're going to find

5:13

a way out of their financial trap.

5:15

But I would say the more common one

5:18

is worry, Steve, we get a lot

5:20

of people who are just completely

5:22

anxious about their finances. They're

5:24

anxious about their financial future.

5:27

They feel, um, unhappy

5:30

and discontent all

5:32

the time. And that's when

5:35

it's not just an attitude.

5:37

There's something going on there

5:40

that when you tie it to a stronghold

5:42

and go a little bit deeper, you find out

5:44

they believe something about God

5:47

that is incorrect. Maybe

5:49

they maybe they don't believe he's their provider,

5:52

that that's a common misconception,

5:54

that we're our own provider and that we have

5:56

to take care of our own needs

5:59

and that God's not going to be faithful. If

6:01

we trust him fully, then he's

6:03

not going to provide for me. And so people

6:05

get in this worry stronghold,

6:07

and sometimes they live in it all their life.

6:09

Yeah.

6:10

Well, maybe as you're listening this morning, you recognize

6:12

that you find yourself in that worry stronghold,

6:15

or maybe there's a different one. You're like, man, I

6:17

just struggling to break free from that.

6:19

We're going to continue to talk about that with Chuck

6:21

Bentley of Crown. Crown. Org

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if you want to connect with them and if you've

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got a question or comment, feel free to text that

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6:33

Chuck Bentley in studio with us this morning

6:35

talking about money issues and breaking

6:38

financial strongholds. Maybe you have some of those in

6:40

your life and you're wondering, how do I break free from

6:42

that? Well, if you've got a question or

6:44

comment, certainly feel free to text in this morning

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(800) 555-7898.

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But, Chuck, we're talking about some of the more common

6:52

financial strongholds that people face.

6:54

Worry was one of those that you were

6:56

talking about. And if we're struggling

6:59

with the worry as it relates to

7:01

our finances, is that really just kind

7:03

of indicative of we don't know God

7:06

as deeply, as intimately as

7:08

maybe we ought to, because if

7:10

we knew him more intimately, we'd probably worry

7:12

a little less.

7:13

I think we can know God and worry

7:15

obviously we. That happens

7:17

to all of us. I worry I have

7:20

times when I worry, but a friend helped me

7:22

to recognize it when it's happening

7:24

to me, he said. Worry is a temporary

7:27

bout of atheism and you're just

7:29

wrestling with whether you really

7:31

trust God or you just say that you trust God.

7:33

And uh, boy, when he put it in that

7:35

context, Steve, I, you know,

7:37

it's like a red light going off on my dashboard,

7:40

like, stop worrying that trust God,

7:42

because we we do get

7:44

fearful about the future. And in Matthew,

7:47

I think it's 20. No. Matthew

7:49

six, the people were saying, uh,

7:51

you know, if we're fully trust you, what are we going

7:53

to eat? What are we going to wear? They were asking about

7:56

like basics. And

7:58

he said, oh, all those things. He called

8:00

them things. All of those things

8:02

will be provided to you. Seek

8:05

first the kingdom of God. Meaning, stop

8:07

worrying about what you have

8:09

and let him reign and

8:11

rule in your life. Lead your steps.

8:14

And he said, I'll take care of the things, but they're

8:16

secondary to putting your full

8:18

faith and confidence and trust in him. So

8:20

that temporary bout of atheism is

8:22

a definition that's helped me to see

8:24

it and to say, okay, what

8:26

the real root issue is. I

8:29

have to believe that God is

8:31

going to be faithful and trust him

8:33

in this moment.

8:34

I love that definition. It's a little bit,

8:36

uh, like a jarring and assaulting to think, wait a minute,

8:38

I'm not. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Like,

8:40

yeah, okay, you're meddling here, but in

8:42

a good way. Yeah. One of the other

8:45

things that I would imagine that some of us

8:47

may really wrestle with is

8:49

maybe a sense of entitlement or selfishness,

8:51

like, especially in the culture in which we

8:54

live in, where everybody's telling us, no, you deserve

8:56

that. You should have that. That's going to make

8:58

your life better. And man, that should be yours.

9:00

I think selfishness is one of the hardest ones

9:03

to recognize in ourself,

9:05

because we just don't see

9:07

it. It's a blindness. It's a form of pride

9:09

where we're unwilling to give to

9:11

others not only our finances,

9:13

but we don't give our time. We don't give love

9:16

because everything must revolve around me

9:18

and my win. They say that

9:20

there's only three kinds of people givers, takers,

9:22

or exchangers. And the exchangers

9:25

are people who want something in return.

9:27

The takers are truly the ones

9:29

that don't care what they, uh,

9:32

they only want to receive.

9:34

And it does impact our finances.

9:37

We're unwilling to

9:39

give of ourselves, to give ourselves

9:41

fully to others.

9:43

And so it impacts

9:45

all of our financial decisions. If

9:48

it must be about me, if I must have

9:50

the win and the Scripture turns

9:52

that upside down, essentially God

9:54

says we sacrifice so that others

9:56

win.

9:57

Yeah. And, uh. Finally

9:59

here. The last one we'll touch on just

10:01

briefly this morning is envy.

10:03

And again, another one of those things that

10:06

I think we can know

10:08

that it's an issue. But recognizing

10:10

that that is an issue in our lives might

10:12

be a little bit of a challenge. You know, we

10:15

think about keeping up with the Joneses and comparing

10:17

and that that old phrase there. But

10:19

when you see, uh,

10:22

envy in a believer's life,

10:24

how are you? How would you counsel someone

10:26

if they said, I think this

10:28

might be a thing, Chuck, that I'm wrestling

10:31

with?

10:31

Well, you don't hear many

10:33

people admit that, right? But

10:35

you often feel it. I felt

10:38

it at a stoplight, pulled up. You know, a

10:40

nice, clean new car rolls up next

10:42

to me. And I'm in my 2007

10:44

dirty car. And I'm thinking, how

10:46

did they afford that? Have you ever asked yourself

10:49

that or driven through a neighborhood and go, where

10:51

do all these people work?

10:52

That truck costs more than my first house did.

10:54

Yeah. And. And what

10:57

envy is the inability to be happy for

10:59

others. You you actually

11:02

judge them. You judge their motives.

11:04

You feel, uh, sometimes

11:07

inferior to them, intimidated

11:09

by them, and it impacts

11:12

your relationships. And

11:14

if you if you let it control

11:16

you, that stronghold will drive you to

11:18

go into a lot of debt because you

11:20

want to appear, uh, equivalent

11:23

with the people that have that new car.

11:25

Uh, and I think a lot

11:28

of debt is driven by

11:30

I think I deserve what other

11:32

people have.

11:33

Um, yeah. I don't know if you've seen this meme

11:36

kind of going around social media at all, but,

11:38

uh, I thought this was, uh, kind of an amusing

11:40

thing. You know, we look at people so

11:42

differently based on those outward appearances,

11:45

the way that things like the guy who

11:47

has a paid off truck

11:49

worth $1,000, but

11:51

he's got $80,000 in the bank, is viewed very

11:53

differently than the guy who has $1,000 in the bank

11:56

and an $80,000 truck that he's financed.

11:58

Well, totally. Steve. And

12:00

a lot of times we don't think about the

12:02

car payment sitting next to us at the stoplight,

12:05

right? Yeah. I read one recently that

12:07

this girl had made $1,400

12:10

monthly payments on her brand new

12:13

SUV, $1,400 payment, and

12:15

after three years, she felt like she had to sell

12:17

it and she still owed $75,000.

12:20

Wow. She was paying 14%

12:22

interest. Now she was driving the new car.

12:25

I don't envy what she

12:27

had done to herself, but it probably

12:29

drove her to go to the lot

12:31

and buy this very expensive

12:34

loaded vehicle that she really couldn't

12:36

afford. Yeah, and so envy can

12:38

drive us to do really bad things with money

12:40

in.

12:41

The last minute before we

12:43

take our break here. For the person who maybe

12:45

recognizes that, one of those three

12:47

things we've just been talking about is an issue

12:49

in their life, how do you say

12:51

this is how you can begin to break those strongholds?

12:54

I think it begins with renewing

12:56

our mind. What we believe about God

12:58

is God. Faithful is he is

13:00

he going to provide for my needs? Is he going

13:02

to take care of the promotion that I want? Is he

13:04

going to help me avoid

13:06

making the decisions

13:09

that the culture is making? Uh,

13:11

and yet still take care of what? What

13:13

I have to have? Uh, and

13:16

when you renew your mind, God's

13:18

truth will lead you to the right

13:21

behavior. So if you invert that

13:23

story I started with, with the people burning

13:25

money, sending it to hell. If you believe

13:27

what God said, you'll actually become more generous.

13:29

You know, you'll give it to people now

13:31

and help them not go to hell.

13:33

Yeah, I love that perspective

13:35

shift. You know, that's such a a

13:38

drastic difference that we see right

13:40

there. But, you know, sometimes we can kind of

13:42

know the right thing to do and still drag

13:44

our feet on doing that. We'll come back, talk

13:46

a little bit more about that in just a few minutes.

13:48

Right now Natalie Grant in

13:51

Christ alone, you want to connect with Chuck

13:53

and with Crown, you can go directly to Crown

13:55

Org. That's crown.org

13:59

certainly welcome to do that. And

14:01

you're going to be able to connect with Chuck Bentley of Crown

14:03

if you do that. As he's joining us in

14:05

studio talking about ways that we handle money

14:08

a little bit better, a little wiser

14:10

stewardship as we think about not

14:12

only ways that we can break those financial

14:14

strongholds, as we've been talking about, Chuck, but sometimes

14:17

we can have a comprehension of,

14:19

I know I need to do this, I know I should

14:21

do this, but something's still kind of hold

14:23

me back from doing that. We we tend

14:26

to procrastinate some of those

14:28

decisions that we know we need to

14:30

make. I would imagine that this

14:32

is a thing that you come up against quite

14:34

a bit in your ministry.

14:35

Well, I think it also

14:37

is where people have their greatest regrets.

14:40

Steve. Uh, oftentimes

14:42

they call us not about the problem of

14:44

procrastination, but the

14:46

results of it. And they're in a

14:48

lot of pain because they should've, woulda,

14:50

coulda. And I think about it in

14:52

terms of, uh, sort

14:55

of God's economy really is just five

14:57

things he tells us to go to. Work to

15:00

give, to save, to

15:02

spend wisely, live beneath our means

15:04

and to invest. And all

15:06

five of those things lead to

15:09

that. You know the blessings of the Lord.

15:11

We we need to work. We need to give,

15:14

save, spend and invest. But where

15:16

we procrastinate are on what I call

15:18

the big three giving, saving,

15:20

and investing. Because most people

15:23

know that those are good decisions.

15:25

They would like to do them. They're not

15:27

fighting the idea. They know God

15:29

said they're good for us, but they don't

15:31

get around to doing them. Uh, I

15:34

was reading the other day that 30%

15:36

of the people who actively attend church

15:38

give zero. Wow. They

15:40

just go. And I'm sure they've heard

15:43

sermons about giving, and I'm sure they've

15:45

had a desire to give, but something

15:47

inside is holding them back.

15:50

And I was sort of like that myself.

15:52

Uh, all three of those areas were areas

15:54

where I procrastinated, and my

15:56

wife kept wanting me to get with it,

15:59

uh, because they impact the

16:01

impact of those three things all

16:03

accumulate over time, and

16:05

it's really hard to catch up if you don't start

16:07

now. So if you look at all

16:09

the great financial advice, the earlier

16:12

you start, the better. And I would

16:14

say that with generosity as well, we tend

16:16

to get, uh, a late start

16:19

in learning to give to to

16:21

God first. But if we do

16:23

those things and we do them

16:25

regularly, uh, it has a

16:27

compounding impact in our lives.

16:29

And I think that one of the ways

16:31

to get over procrastination

16:34

is just to say, you know, today, if

16:36

you hear his voice, don't harden your heart.

16:39

Yeah. He says that over and over and over.

16:41

If you know what God said is good,

16:44

don't don't resist starting.

16:47

The compounding generosity,

16:49

I think, is an interesting concept. I think a lot

16:51

of us understand compounding interest. I

16:53

start saving earlier. There's going to be more money

16:55

down the road because of that compounding interest.

16:57

But compounding generosity.

17:00

What what do you mean by that?

17:01

Well, I was doing a dinner in

17:03

Pennsylvania where we have lots of listeners.

17:06

And, uh, a lady came to

17:09

that dinner, Steve, and she said,

17:11

I've been giving to your organization

17:14

the same amount every month

17:16

since I first heard you on the radio.

17:18

And I said, well, what year was that? That was in Larry

17:20

Burkett days. She said, 1987.

17:23

Well, it was more than 40 years.

17:26

Yeah. And in that 40 years,

17:28

God had expanded our organization

17:31

to more than 100 countries around the world.

17:33

And I looked at that, that lady, very

17:35

old at the time, and I thought, God

17:37

has compounded that generosity

17:39

beyond what she could even dream or

17:41

imagine. She has faithfully

17:44

invested of herself to spread

17:46

God's kingdom little by little,

17:48

month by month. And it's

17:50

not so much the amount because God

17:52

doesn't judge us by the size of

17:54

our gift, but by the sacrifice

17:57

of our gift. And you could tell we

17:59

were a priority in her heart, and

18:02

I was the first person that she had ever met

18:04

in the organization in person. She she never

18:06

knew any of us. And I

18:09

still.

18:09

So faithful for so many years.

18:10

She touched me. Steve. Yeah, I

18:12

got to give her a hug and thank God for her

18:15

and to see the faithfulness

18:17

of God's people a little

18:19

bit over a long, long haul.

18:21

Yeah. You know, for the person

18:23

who says, all right, Chuck, I know giving

18:25

is important, like you said,

18:27

you know, we may have heard sermons about

18:30

that. We may have been taught that taught that time

18:32

and time and time again. But something's holding us back.

18:34

It's it's kind of fear. Do

18:36

you think it is fear? Is that the number one thing that's driving

18:38

people? Yeah. That's generosity.

18:40

Yes. It's fear. It's not greed. It's,

18:42

uh. If I give today, I won't have tomorrow.

18:45

That's the lie. That's a stronghold.

18:47

Yeah, that's a lie that Satan tells

18:49

us. And people always say, oh, I want

18:51

God to trust me with more so I can

18:53

give more. Well, it works the other way around.

18:55

He wants you to give more so you'll trust

18:58

him for tomorrow. He wants us to

19:00

trust first that we place our trust

19:02

in him and we do the giving.

19:04

Uh, it's a lot like, uh,

19:07

where your treasure is. Your heart will

19:09

be also. You put

19:11

your treasure into God's kingdom,

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and it pulls your heart into his kingdom.

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And so he wants us to go and to

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do it not just to talk about it.

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Yeah, well, we're glad that

19:21

you're with us this morning as we're listening to Chuck Bentley.

19:24

And if you've got a question related to

19:26

what we're talking about this morning, certainly. Welcome to text

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19:33

We're going to come back, continue to talk about ways

19:35

that we can stop that procrastinating

19:37

as it relates to handling our finances well

19:39

on Moody Radio. Well,

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Chuck, as we uh and by the way, Chuck Bentley's

19:44

in studio with us from Crown, Crown org

19:46

to find out more about them. And, Chuck, as we think about

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stopping, procrastinating, some of those

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wise stewardship decisions that we need to

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be making. You said often it comes

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down to three things. Number one, we

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are procrastinating our giving. We're

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procrastinating our saving

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and our investing. Yeah. Um, I

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think a lot of times we may recognize,

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okay, giving needs to be a thing. Saving needs to be a

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thing. I know I could begin to save a little

20:10

bit more by, you know, just putting money

20:12

aside and doing that. But the whole investing

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thing, for some of us, that feels a little

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intimidating. I think maybe we procrastinate because

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we don't understand the world of investing

20:21

very well. For the person who says,

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I know I should be, but I don't get it,

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what are first steps to begin to do that?

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Well, the.

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First step is to live beneath your means so you

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have capacity to put money at risk.

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Uh, saving is money that's not at risk.

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It's just set aside and available to you

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as needed. Which, uh, you know,

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I think 50% of Americans

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are living without a savings account with

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nothing set aside. So they're living on the financial

20:46

edge. So once you

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I like to say God structured it where

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you give first, save second, you

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give first, save second, then you're starting to take

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care of those things. And then if you

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reduce your spending to where you've got

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some left over, even if it's just 5%,

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you're able to invest it for the future

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and multiply it over time. And

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that works really well if you automate

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it. Most employers

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offer some sort of automated investment

21:15

service where you can put aside money

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and and speak to a professional,

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but start small. It's just a small

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thing and it starts to grow

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and compound over a lifetime.

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And when I think about

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the difference it would have made in our life if

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I'd have started at age 21 instead

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of at age 41. We started

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when God convinced us that we were

21:37

not following His word,

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that he wanted us to be able

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to invest so that the money he entrusted

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to us was multiplied. That's the parable

21:46

of the talents. Yeah, he gave you five

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and we multiplied it into ten. He gave

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you two, you multiplied it to four. He

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wants us to increase what we have so that

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we can be more generous. We can impact the

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kingdom with the resources that

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he's entrusted to us.

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For the person who

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knows that their employer has

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some sort of investment funding set

22:08

up, especially if they have a match

22:11

where they're going to match, you know, up to two, three, 4

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or 5%. Um, that's just

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almost like a no brainer, isn't it? You got to take advantage

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of that. Yes.

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Yes, yes and yes. It's,

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uh, it's one of the best ways to start

22:23

to invest. And then most of those

22:25

services have a menu that you

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can choose from, whether it's low risk or

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medium risk or higher risk, depending

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on your age. And risk is all adjusted

22:34

by age. How much time

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before you might need that money and if you don't

22:38

need it. If you're young like you are,

22:40

Steve, you can invest it over

22:43

a longer period of time. It

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will grow, and it will be a great,

22:47

uh, expression of your stewardship

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to let it grow.

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Yeah. And I've, uh, often

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heard it said from Larry Briquette and you

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and others, you know, begin to,

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number one, get out of debt,

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give and invest so that we can

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then turn around and invest in kingdom work.

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And in the last minute or

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so that we have here, for the person

23:08

who's saying, okay, I kind

23:10

of get these principles

23:12

that you're talking about, Chuck, but this whole

23:14

Kingdom ministry mindset, I'm

23:17

not sure I'm grasping that. What do you say to the person

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who's kind of wrestling through that

23:21

idea? Yeah.

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We're temporal. Steve. We're here for a short period

23:24

of time, and God doesn't want us building

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our kingdom on earth. He wants us to

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think eternally and to lay up treasures

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in heaven and to think beyond this

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lifetime. In many ways, that's

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the inertia that we have to overcome.

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We we live in the here and the now.

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We live with the pressures of paying

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the bills and getting braces for

23:44

the children and all those things that are coming

23:46

our way. But his word

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says to think differently, to renew

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our mind and think about the life that's

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to come.

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Well, if you want to find out more about ways that

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you can handle your money well, as well

23:58

as maybe get some of those financial questions answered,

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go check out the Crown website. Uh, there's

24:02

a ton of great resources and

24:04

information there. Crown. Org

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if you want to go directly to the website that

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is crown.org.

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And we appreciate you being here, Chuck.