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Hello, and welcome to Dear John

1:14

and Sarah.

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364, I like to call it dear, Sarah,

1:17

and John. It's podcast where we answer

1:19

your questions, provide you with dubious advice and

1:22

bring you all the week's news from AFC Wimbledon's

1:24

men team and AFC

1:26

Wimbledon's women's team.

1:28

Oh. No Mars news this week.

1:30

Yeah. Sorry about that. Thanks.

1:32

Getting cut out of the podcast for a week he's

1:34

you know, it's not totally clear to me what he's doing?

1:37

Well, we just told him that he couldn't come

1:39

this week. That's all.

1:40

Yeah. He's he we decided that he's not

1:42

available. Yeah. So we're gonna answer

1:44

some of your questions, but first, Sarah,

1:47

usually when we have guests on the pod 364 those

1:49

who don't

1:49

know, by the way, Sarah is my spouse.

1:51

Yes. I'm Sarah Yaris, Greene, and

1:53

I'm married to you, John

1:56

Greene.

1:56

That's right.

1:57

I'm We've been married a long time.

2:00

Well, I mean, it's all relative, John,

2:03

longer than some, shorter

2:05

than

2:05

others.

2:06

Longer than most, I would say. But

2:10

for those who don't know me, I am a

2:12

curator and art educator. I

2:14

used to have a series called The Art Assignment

2:17

on YouTube, which which is still there,

2:19

still full of knowledge for

2:21

you to listen

2:23

to Gleein whenever you like.

2:25

And I have a course out

2:28

called how to appreciate art

2:30

with

2:30

Brightcrip, which you can find by going

2:32

to brightcrip dot com. That's all

2:34

true. I don't have anything

2:37

to promote right now. Oh, except that I'm

2:39

going to

2:39

Miami. People of South

2:41

Florida. I will be in

2:44

your Say that again. Miami. Well,

2:47

I'll tell you a story about Miami. Well,

2:49

I I'm Florida Okay? So the way

2:51

I pronounce it is inherently correct.

2:54

I'm going to Miami on,

2:56

I believe, March twenty third, you can get more info

2:59

at books and books dot com. Books

3:01

and books is hosting the event.

3:03

It's the launch event for the Anthropocene

3:05

Reviewed Paperback, and I'm really excited

3:07

and I would love to see you there. So I guess

3:10

we do both have things to promote. Go to Brightrip

3:12

and books and books dot com. Now

3:15

here's my story about Miami.

3:16

Okay. When I was a kid,

3:18

Mhmm. My dad worked for the nature

3:21

conservancy.

3:21

I remember.

3:22

In Florida. Well. Well,

3:23

I don't remember because I I didn't know

3:25

you then.

3:26

We weren't we weren't butts. But

3:28

yeah. But

3:29

I know this now. So he

3:31

had to travel a lot for work. Go all

3:33

over the state of Florida trying to conserve

3:35

land. And convince rich people

3:38

to turn over their land for conservation. And

3:40

you would often have to go to South Florida because I

3:42

don't know if you know this, but that's pretty near the Everglades,

3:45

which are significant ecological

3:49

phenomenon in Florida --

3:50

Right. -- and a deeply endangered one.

3:52

So the big focus of my dad's work And

3:55

so you would often have to fly to

3:56

Miami. And when I was about six.

3:58

What? That's how

4:00

you say it? Yeah. Okay. You'd often have to fly

4:02

to Miami. And when

4:05

I was about seven or eight years

4:07

old. He said, I'm gonna go I gotta go

4:09

to Miami this week. And I said, I don't

4:11

understand why you keep why

4:13

you keep having to go to Yourami?

4:17

Miami? Yourami?

4:19

Yeah. I thought it was your army. I thought it was his

4:21

army. That's maybe that's why

4:23

I pronounce it that way. That's actually 364

4:27

I believe we are also in the Miami International

4:29

Airport, one of my most famous childhood

4:33

temper tantrums happen when I

4:35

put my bag on the ground

4:37

along with my backpack, laid down on

4:39

the floor of the Miami International Airport

4:42

spreads my arms and legs out as wide as I could

4:44

and said I just can't do it anymore.

4:46

Yeah.

4:47

Yeah. Everybody understands that. I

4:48

mean, that's how I feel right now.

4:50

Yeah. Oh, come on. It's a

4:52

beautiful day. It is.

4:55

We're podcasting together. It's

4:57

true. That part is nice. It's nice to be in

4:59

your company. Yeah. But let me ask

5:01

you this question from Butter Boy. Okay. Let's

5:04

hear it. Butter Boy writes, Dear John and Sarah,

5:06

why do we put butter in that thing in our fridges?

5:09

Love Butter Boy. Why do we put

5:11

butter in that thing in our fridges? Now,

5:13

buy that thing. You

5:14

know, that thing.

5:15

Is it the the the The butter holder.

5:18

The butter area.

5:20

But you've you often have a butter area

5:23

in your refrigerator, but you also

5:25

many people, including

5:26

us, have a butter thing inside

5:28

the butter area. What is that thing called?

5:30

A butter holder?

5:32

That's what we can call it a butter. Well,

5:34

there's like the butter area.

5:35

The butter area. And then that's the bolder.

5:38

I would yeah. I mean, this is actually a

5:41

pretty good question. You know,

5:43

usually, like, I

5:45

mean, I would think that you

5:47

need that butter container --

5:50

Yeah. -- because if you just put

5:52

the butter into the holder,

5:54

get kind of sticky.

5:55

Get kind of gross.

5:56

Yeah. And then, like, you'd have to go in there with a

5:58

knife -- Yeah. -- and, like,

6:00

cut it off of the fridge

6:02

shelf. So you do need that.

6:04

I think you benefit from it. I don't know if you

6:06

need it. Well, you know, you need

6:08

a a ginormous cold

6:11

box to keep way more

6:13

cold to eat than we possibly

6:16

need?

6:16

Probably not. No.

6:18

When we lived in the Netherlands, we had of

6:20

those refrigerators that's like a college

6:22

beer fridge.

6:23

Oh, it was great. And it was all Sarah was

6:25

constantly saying, this is it. This is what we

6:27

should have. Then we moved back to America

6:30

and we got a gigantic

6:31

fridge. Yeah.

6:32

But there was a market around the corner

6:34

That's true. -- we were living -- True. -- just

6:36

get what you needed and just just,

6:38

you know, that that walkable lifestyle

6:41

that that we we could

6:43

have if it was a priority

6:44

John.

6:45

That's right. But back to the question -- Mhmm.

6:47

-- I mean, there there's there's

6:49

that question. May maybe it creates like

6:52

humidity

6:53

area -- Mhmm. -- forums. Mhmm.

6:55

So it does Well, I

6:58

recently I recently learned that the CRISPR has an actual

7:00

purpose. Yeah. And I had always thought

7:02

up until I was about forty four that

7:05

the crisper was just the

7:07

area of the refrigerator where one

7:09

traditionally puts veg dibols and

7:11

fruits. Yeah. That

7:13

was sort of like, why do you wear white

7:15

at a wedding? You just

7:17

do. It's just custom. As long as you're a guest.

7:19

Right. That's awful.

7:21

I always I always wear a white tuxedo

7:23

at any wedding I go to. It's a strict

7:26

fallacy of Everyone

7:27

enjoys it. It's a great bit.

7:30

Yeah. But, I mean, I do if I if

7:33

we have fresh fresh baked bread, fresh

7:35

baked bread. Yeah. And

7:38

I'm gonna be using butter a lot. I do like

7:40

to keep it out on the

7:40

counter. Oh,

7:41

yes. Don't

7:42

know how you feel about

7:43

it. Does not does not feel like butter

7:45

really needs to be that refrigerator. Rated.

7:48

Well, if you follow a certain protocol,

7:50

it doesn't

7:51

have to be.

7:52

Let me Google that real quick. According

7:54

to the USDA, butter is safe at

7:56

room temperature. But if it's left out for

7:58

several days at room

7:59

temperature, it can turn rancid, causing off

8:01

flavors. Mhmm. The

8:02

USDA does not recommend leaving it out for

8:05

more than one to two days. You

8:06

can leave it out for a whole day and nothing bad happens.

8:08

Unless

8:09

Yourami house is really hot, you know.

8:11

Yeah. If your house is like a hundred and thirty

8:13

degrees, then you're gonna get melted butter

8:15

364

8:15

Or rancid butter. Yeah. Yeah.

8:17

Alright, Sarah. We got another question from Melody who

8:19

writes. Dear John and Sarah, I'm twenty

8:21

two. In last spring, I had a stroke or maybe

8:24

two. And as a result of this, I lost a fair

8:26

amount of memories of names and places. How

8:28

do I explain this to people without getting all

8:30

their sympathy? Like, I'm really fine,

8:32

but I also don't remember your name even though

8:34

I know that I know you.

8:36

Anyways, the whole thing is hard, melody.

8:38

That does sound hard.

8:39

That does sound very hard, Melody.

8:41

But

8:42

isn't that a good answer to say, I'm

8:44

fine. I really am, but I also don't remember

8:46

your name.

8:47

Right. Because I had a

8:49

stroke --

8:49

Or two. --

8:50

or two. But then if you say I had stroke

8:52

or two, I mean, I think Melody's point is that, like,

8:54

they don't wanna have people feel bad for

8:57

them.

8:57

Right. They don't wanna be like, oh, yes.

8:59

Every time I have to, like, go through this

9:01

sort of, like, dance of

9:02

sympathy. Right. When? I'm

9:05

fine. I just don't remember your name. Right.

9:07

Well, it's like, you

9:10

know, it's I'm not suggesting

9:12

this. I'm just -- Yeah. -- just throwing out ideas.

9:14

Sure. Sure. Like, you could do the thing where you

9:16

had a little

9:17

card. Yeah.

9:18

I have a buddy who has a card.

9:19

Right. He just hands out the card and

9:21

says if I am

9:23

struggling with my speech, you don't need

9:25

to

9:25

worry. It's just a thing.

9:27

Yeah. Yeah.

9:28

Right? So you could do that. And that way,

9:30

you could pick exactly What

9:32

do you wanna say? Wanna say? And it sounds like you're

9:35

you've got a sense of humor, melody. Yeah.

9:38

So, you know, you could you could make it

9:40

funny Yeah. Or

9:43

not, and you could communicate

9:45

that way. But, you know,

9:47

I feel like

9:49

I don't know. Johnson, you never remember

9:52

people. Yeah.

9:52

I don't remember a lot of names. I don't

9:55

remember lot of names. It's true. I really

9:56

have a good excuse. Well,

9:58

I certainly don't have a So what do you

10:00

do?

10:02

Well, the first thing I do is

10:04

I get a little offended, Melody, if

10:06

people expect me to remember their name because

10:09

I don't expect them to remember my name.

10:11

And, like, what what is this thing

10:13

with expecting? Like, every time you see

10:15

someone, you should reintroduce

10:16

yourself. That's what I do. I say hi, it's John.

10:18

Nice to see you again. I think there should be

10:20

a point after which. Like, if they're a very

10:22

close friend, you don't expect

10:25

that. But yeah. But I would argue that. Try to do

10:27

that. When I when I run into somebody

10:29

-- Yeah. -- I'll say,

10:30

like, hey, Sarah Green. Great

10:32

to see you. But I would argue Melody's very

10:34

close friends and family probably already

10:36

don't expect Melody to remember the

10:38

name necessarily. So, like, So it's

10:41

not it's probably not them that's the issue. And

10:43

if it is, that's kind of on them. Mhmm. Like, they've

10:45

had time to get used to it. Mhmm. So

10:47

I I feel like it's mostly

10:50

people like, oh, yeah. No. I've seen you thirty

10:52

times in my life or a hundred times in my life.

10:54

If I haven't seen you in a while, and

10:56

I don't remember your name.

10:58

Right. I guess my one

11:00

one approach would be to just

11:04

talk to them while not

11:06

just sort of embrace not knowing who

11:08

they are. Yeah. And try to have a

11:10

connection with them

11:12

without knowing their

11:14

name. I like to I love to say,

11:16

hey, buddy. Good to see you, bud.

11:18

How are you doing,

11:19

buddy? I

11:19

feel like that's a little bit fortunizing.

11:23

Well, what do you want me to say? I used

11:25

to Hey.

11:26

I

11:26

I do that sometimes. This

11:27

is a nice day. I I I'll say I'll

11:29

say hi with up talk sometimes. So I'll be like, hi.

11:32

Oh, yeah. You haven't seen each other in

11:35

weeks, months, years. How long is it? You told

11:37

me. Yeah. I am it's good to see

11:39

you again unless we're meeting for the first

11:41

time in which it's great to meet you. Right.

11:44

I try not to say, I off say it's good to see you again

11:46

and someone will say it's nice to meet Yourami I'm like,

11:48

don't do that. Don't do that. Like,

11:51

you didn't have to do it. Right. Nobody benefited

11:53

from you doing it.

11:54

Well, you're just sensitive. I am a

11:56

little sensitive.

11:56

Being a little over sensitive.

11:58

Well, I just don't have whatever

12:00

that part of your I just don't have that.

12:02

Like

12:02

You did. You struggle with facial recognition

12:05

period.

12:05

Oh, I'm sorry. Anyone who's listening

12:08

to this Rod has

12:10

ever encountered -- Yeah. In

12:14

any sort of circumstance, and they should

12:16

remember

12:17

you. And and he

12:19

should remember you, but he doesn't You

12:21

are not alone.

12:22

Yeah. Very true. Judd, constantly

12:25

when we're out, thinks that non

12:27

celebrities are celebrities.

12:29

Is. We

12:29

just saw Tony Hawk earlier today. He sit

12:31

here in Indianapolis. It was a shock.

12:33

He was at Starbucks. And then

12:36

and then we You are around

12:38

someone with any sort of renowned. You

12:40

do not recognize them and can't remember

12:42

them.

12:43

Never. Never. No.

12:45

You're totally right. The classic example of this

12:47

is that I've met an extremely famous actor

12:49

at the MTV Movie Awards. You were there.

12:52

And I met them. Their

12:54

daughter introduced me to them. I said, hello. It's

12:56

nice to nice to meet you. And then, like, forty

12:58

five seconds later, the same person came up to me.

13:00

I shook my hand and

13:01

said, hello. It's an estimate. My

13:03

role is to be like, dear

13:05

lord.

13:09

Not all of you, Matt, you just

13:11

met. Johnny met Meryl Streep forty five seconds

13:13

ago. Now you're meeting Meryl Streep for a second

13:16

time. Oh, okay. But I also I also have

13:18

the the the recognition

13:20

problem, like, when we're hunching movies.

13:22

Yeah. And

13:22

that is especially difficult to live with

13:24

because I'll be, like, I'll be like, wait

13:26

a second.

13:27

No. Is that the guy from earlier? Do I

13:29

really need to say that?

13:31

Is

13:31

that still Natasha Lee owned the one who knows

13:33

it if you're lying?

13:34

You you can recognize her. I can

13:36

not recognize Natasha Leone. I have a little bit of

13:38

a crush on Natasha Leone.

13:40

Yeah. As soon as I

13:41

I know. Who who wouldn't. But

13:43

but Melody. I think in

13:45

some, it's also like, I I understand

13:48

you're not wanting to have to say

13:50

it again and again. But if you

13:52

do feel like that's the best way,

13:56

your tone your

13:59

tone sets the tone. Right.

14:01

So if you say

14:04

it with a smile or,

14:07

you know, not, I would never ask anyone

14:09

to smile. But I just mean, like, whatever

14:11

your attitude is, I usually

14:13

other people follow

14:14

it. Yeah. But also, I think it's important to remember

14:17

that, like, this isn't your

14:19

fault. Like, this is happening because of

14:22

who you are and what happened to Yourami

14:24

also a bunch of weird social

14:26

construct in our social order

14:29

about when you're supposed to

14:31

know someone's and use someone's name.

14:33

Mhmm. So if

14:35

you have, hopefully, anyone

14:38

who's who's cool and nice will

14:40

just be graceful about

14:41

it. Right. Alright, Tara. We have another question.

14:44

It's also a little bit of a serious one. I'm sorry.

14:46

It's just the vibe.

14:47

That's okay. This from Alyssa who writes

14:50

John and Sarah, but mostly

14:52

John. I'm a second year high school math teacher

14:54

who's currently completing further study in mental

14:56

health, and I really enjoy your takes on tuberculosis.

14:58

Thank you, Elisa. It's a it's a passion.

15:01

If you think it's fun on TikTok, imagine living

15:03

with me. Especially

15:06

Yourami observation that stigma and romanticization

15:08

are not mutually exclusive or opposites.

15:11

Do you think that's currently happening with

15:13

mental illness? Like we see the tortured artist

15:15

and teenager trope everywhere, but we

15:17

often don't want to discuss the genuine issues

15:20

with mental health. Not a Mona, just

15:22

Alyssa. Maybe I was pronouncing Alyssa's

15:25

name incorrectly the first time, but

15:27

I do see this and that's part of the reason I

15:29

wanna to make those videos about our historical

15:32

responses to TB is that I think we

15:34

see it not just with mental illness,

15:36

but we certainly do see it with mental illness.

15:38

Right? Like, Sayers made work

15:40

about the idea of the tortured artist,

15:42

so I'd be really interested to hear her speak

15:45

to that. But as far as my personal

15:47

experience goes, there is

15:49

an expectation that writers will be little crazy

15:51

or else that they'll abuse substances 364

15:54

that they'll be really tortured and miserable.

15:56

And coincidentally, in

15:59

the same way that, like, you know, a lot of artists

16:01

in the nineteenth century had tuberculosis, but

16:04

being artist didn't cause tuberculosis. I

16:07

have mental health problems, but being a writer

16:09

didn't cause them. I know that

16:11

because I had them before I was a writer, and I don't

16:13

think it makes me particularly creative I know

16:15

because when I'm really sick, I can't make anything.

16:18

So I've I have experienced some

16:21

of that up close. And I think in some ways,

16:23

I've probably maybe

16:25

played with it, maybe taken advantage of

16:27

it at times. And so I was I I'm

16:29

I'm conscious of that now, and I

16:31

look back on those that you

16:34

know, those earlier times in my career. And I

16:36

think, like, well, was I was I

16:38

using this romanticization? And

16:40

as a result, did I experience a different

16:43

level or different kind of stigma. And,

16:46

yeah, it is something think a lot about and

16:49

it's really important, I think, to internalize

16:53

that if an

16:55

illness is romanticized that

16:57

doesn't mean that it's

16:59

fun to have or good to

17:01

have and illnesses that are

17:03

romanticized can simultaneously be highly,

17:05

highly stigmatized. Paste. Mhmm. That was

17:08

certainly the case with T. V. It

17:10

still is the I mean, insofar as T. V.

17:12

Is still romanticized. It's still the case with T.

17:14

V. It's the case with poverty. You

17:16

know, we often hear about the the

17:18

happy poor person who has an uncomplicated

17:21

life, who just, like, you know,

17:23

happily works in

17:25

agriculture 364 or

17:27

whatever. And, you know, that

17:30

that idea is as essentializing

17:33

and as dehumanizing as

17:35

as any other form of of othering

17:37

people. Well, I've made

17:40

I made two art assignment videos

17:42

that you can watch if you want. One

17:45

is called the myth of the tortured

17:47

artist, and the other one is called the

17:49

truth of the tortured artist. You

17:52

had to backtrack a little.

17:53

Well, but but it it's also

17:56

true. There are some artists who

17:58

are quote unquote tortured.

18:00

You know, like mental illness

18:04

intersects with other identities. Right.

18:07

So, you know, I

18:10

think I

18:12

think that it's also highly

18:14

contextual. So I

18:17

feel like in my world

18:20

right now, mental illness

18:23

is not that stigmatized, but

18:25

that's -- Mhmm. -- as of where I am

18:27

in my life and who I intersect

18:30

with and where I

18:31

live. But don't you think illness is like

18:35

bipolar disorder and

18:37

schizoaffective

18:38

disorder are still pretty heavily stigmatized.

18:41

Saying that they're not. Yes. I

18:43

I feel but that's this

18:45

is precisely what I'm saying. Like,

18:48

I feel like personally in

18:50

my lived experience. They're less stigmatized

18:53

even even some of those disorders.

18:55

Then they were. Certainly than they were when we

18:57

were younger. And I when they were younger

19:00

and you would use those terms

19:02

as insults. Right. But But

19:06

I also think that it's just it's

19:10

just tough and people are many things.

19:13

So yes, I think

19:15

that you can definitely make that comparison.

19:18

I think that there are some artists

19:21

who are highly organized and

19:23

functional and happy

19:28

or not happy fulfilled

19:31

364 I guess just like not

19:33

depressed. Yeah. Let's say,

19:35

are not suffering. Yeah. Any

19:38

sort of mental health

19:39

disorder. I mean, I think everyone does

19:42

to some extent -- Right. -- it's it's very

19:44

much a spectrum. Yeah.

19:46

But yeah. Yeah.

19:49

I also think that But there are some artists

19:51

who so 364 from mental

19:54

health

19:56

disorders and their

19:59

art is is an outlet for

20:01

that.

20:01

Right. Or is a response to it in some ways because

20:04

it's it's dangerous -- Yeah. --

20:06

to to say that in some ways, but

20:09

I think it is true for some people.

20:11

And you never wanna oversimplify. Right?

20:13

Like, people's experiences are

20:15

multitudeness and contradictory and

20:19

You know, I I was thinking about that in the context

20:21

of this book that we both love tomorrow

20:23

and tomorrow and tomorrow

20:25

that, you know, a lot of the characters

20:27

in that book

20:28

Like, 3L7. Yeah. They

20:30

they they act, interact with

20:32

each other in ways that are

20:35

paradoxical 364 that are that are

20:37

confusing at times

20:39

like their motivations aren't always

20:41

like entirely clear, which is the

20:43

mode which is part of what I love so much

20:45

about the book because that is so

20:46

human.

20:47

It so like life. And often

20:49

in stories, especially in

20:51

sort of like action packed kind of

20:53

plotty story, the character's

20:56

motivations have to be so clearly mapped

20:58

every single step of the way that

21:02

that maybe that makes for good storytelling

21:04

364, like, compelling Marvel movies,

21:06

but it doesn't really it's not really

21:09

true. Right. We all contain

21:11

all those like paradoxes and complexities,

21:14

but I think to get back to your point about the

21:16

the myth of the tortured

21:18

artist and the truth of the tortured artist, you

21:20

could just as easily make a video series

21:22

that's called the myth of the artistic consumptive

21:25

and the truth of the artistic consumptive.

21:27

Right? Because there were lots of artists

21:30

and poets who felt like

21:32

their their illness, their proximity to

21:36

mortality, their

21:38

impending death? Yeah. That those

21:41

feelings heightened their

21:43

work in some ways And there were

21:45

artists who felt

21:46

like, well, now I can't do anything

21:48

else. You

21:48

know, like, the things that I could do that, like,

21:52

that were that were physical and and active.

21:54

I can't do as much right now. Mhmm.

21:56

And so my life is more

21:59

interior It's more about

22:01

writing, it's more about painting, whatever.

22:04

So I think you have to make room for all

22:06

of that. Like, but the the important

22:08

thing is that it is neither

22:10

true that mental illness causes

22:13

creativity 364 that creativity causes

22:16

mental illness just as it's not true

22:18

that TB causes creativity or

22:20

creativity causes

22:22

TB. It's way more complicated.

22:24

Yeah. Agree. Alright, Sarah. Here's

22:27

a boxing question for you since you're a

22:29

retired boxer. Mhmm. Robin asked, dear

22:31

John and Sarah. If South Paul

22:33

in fighting is when you fight left handed,

22:36

are right handed fighters called North

22:38

Paws. Keep me away from the bank.

22:41

Robin. Is there Robin in

22:43

the bank?

22:43

I I get it.

22:44

That's good.

22:44

I get it. That's can't

22:45

so what in your opinion?

22:47

First off, are you a softball?

22:49

No. I'm not. But you have to train

22:52

both.

22:52

Did you ever

22:53

to keep it even. Oh, you

22:56

train both ways. Right. I always

22:58

did. But

22:58

when you're when you were actually

23:00

sparring with someone --

23:01

Yeah. -- did you ever far with the south paw

23:04

and experience like how weird and different

23:06

it is because they don't they aren't like a

23:08

mirror

23:09

view. They're like Yeah. Continuation

23:11

of you? No. It's very weird.

23:13

Did you do that?

23:14

I have before. Okay. Yeah. I was

23:16

attacked by a a young south

23:19

paw. When I was boxing during

23:21

a hundred

23:22

days, this this nice young

23:24

woman -- Right. -- came

23:25

into the gym. Yeah. And my trainer

23:27

was like, well, this this nice young woman

23:29

is gonna box you

23:30

now. Yeah. And I'll tell you what, my heart

23:32

rate went to one seventy instantly.

23:35

Wait. But what does the answer to the question.

23:37

I don't remember. I it's 364 to

23:39

me, it's just,

23:40

like, regular.

23:41

It is.

23:42

That's like It is. It's like a regular

23:45

stance 364 standard

23:47

stance. Standard? Yeah. Or

23:49

right handed there is a word.

23:52

It's orthodox.

23:53

Right. Are you an orthodox fighter?

23:56

I'm an orthodox. Right. That's

23:57

where you keep your right hand back because that's where

23:59

all strength is.

24:00

And, yes, in your stance, your

24:03

left foot is forward. If Sarah

24:05

sounds further from the mic, it's because she's just

24:07

taken up the stance.

24:11

She couldn't resist the urge -- Right. Yes.

24:13

-- to go forward. Your your shoulder is

24:15

all also skews, so your left shoulder

24:17

is more

24:18

forward. So Yourami with

24:20

your left.

24:21

Jab with your left and then your

24:22

Have you can use your whole torso

24:25

to kind of torque around --

24:27

Right. -- so that your rear right

24:30

arm -- Is more power? -- has more power

24:32

as you use your body to

24:34

punch. It also has more distance to travel,

24:36

which allows it to accelerate a little more.

24:38

Mhmm. But mostly, it's that you get to use

24:40

way more muscles in that sort of

24:42

whatever your power punches. Yeah.

24:45

But once you get to a

24:47

certain level of boxing -- Yeah. -- and it

24:49

it sounds like you're there, Robin. You

24:53

can you can do a lot of damage with either of

24:55

your hands. That's right. That's why I had to

24:58

actually register both of my wrists

25:00

as

25:00

weapons. Yeah. And when I enter

25:02

when I enter a foreign country. Yeah.

25:06

Everybody knows that about John's. Yeah.

25:08

People people say that about me that I've

25:10

got good left hook and a correct right

25:12

hook. Scary.

25:14

Ali asks, dear John and Sarah,

25:17

what's the best donut you've ever had?

25:19

Jams and jimmy's? Ali, I don't know what

25:22

a jimmy is or a jam for that matter.

25:24

What what is the best donut you've ever had,

25:26

Sarah? Well,

25:29

I remember as a kid having a

25:32

Krispy Kreme -- Mhmm. --

25:33

first time. Yeah. Now. And I like

25:35

that they kind of sort of disappear

25:38

in your mouth. Yeah. Those are really very

25:40

big. Warm, crispy.

25:41

Very warm and they just sort of melt away.

25:44

Yeah.

25:44

They're very airy. Right. Sweet,

25:47

good. Yeah. Yeah. I tend

25:49

to, like, more simple doughnuts. Mhmm.

25:52

Like

25:52

a cake doughnut. You like a blueberry

25:54

cake.

25:55

They're also I've had a potato

25:57

flour Of

25:59

course, you have. Yeah. That was very

26:01

good. And

26:04

then, you know, I I don't tend

26:06

to go 364, like, the real fancy ones.

26:08

I had a mochi donut recently. How

26:10

was it? And I like that gummy mochi

26:12

text

26:13

year. Mhmm. But I

26:15

did I didn't love it in this form.

26:17

Well, this is this is a common problem

26:20

we see in both doughnuts. And

26:22

tech the technology sector -- Mhmm.

26:24

-- which is that there is no need to

26:26

disrupt something that is

26:28

working

26:29

perfect.

26:29

Yeah. Keep it simple. Right? Like, I

26:32

I totally understand why, like, food delivery

26:34

needed to be disrupted, and I understand

26:37

why, like, bad email

26:39

needed to be disrupted by by Gmail

26:41

and whatnot. There are some things

26:43

that just don't need to be heavily

26:46

disrupted. Yeah. And one of them

26:48

is doughnuts.

26:49

My favorite donut in the Indianapolis

26:52

area is long. Long No. Not

26:54

only is it my favorite donut in Indianapolis,

26:57

it's also by far the cheapest doughnut

26:59

in

26:59

Indianapolis.

27:00

Yeah. And it's been around for a long

27:02

time. There's nothing. There's no bacon.

27:04

Yeah. There's no lavender. No.

27:09

But, John, I know I happen to know

27:11

that you really like Dunkin'

27:14

Donuts, Blueberry Donut

27:15

holes.

27:16

If I do, I love any cake

27:18

based doughnut. Like, I don't want

27:20

it glazed. I don't want it to be Crispy Crispy

27:23

Mountain 364

27:23

No. Could be cake. But glazed.

27:26

Can

27:26

Maybe slightly glazed. Yeah. But

27:28

speaking of lungs donuts, I'm

27:31

reminded -- You

27:31

were gonna break this up. -- of Indianapolis.

27:34

Indianapolis rapper, Kevin Stuttered,

27:37

has this song

27:39

about Long's Bakery that is one

27:41

of the greatest I don't wanna over

27:43

hype it, but it's one of the greatest

27:45

rap songs about doughnuts ever

27:47

made. He made it in the middle of the pandemic.

27:50

And he he made the song as

27:52

a way of letting people know that

27:55

Long's was open

27:56

again. Like, the lockdown had ended

27:59

and Long's was back on the menu.

28:01

You

28:02

have to you have to look it up. There's a

28:04

wonderful music video on YouTube. Do

28:07

you know how many times the yeast, bless

28:09

my body. Probably

28:11

have me back in eskenazi. Eskenazi

28:15

really great. As Kenazi is a hospital

28:18

in Indianapolis. Yeah.

28:22

I've just always loved that rhyme so much.

28:24

You know, how much the yeast touch my

28:26

body. Probably have me back at Eskenazi. It's

28:28

so good. The whole song is great

28:31

though. So Long's donuts is the

28:33

best donuts place in Indianapolis. Bakery.

28:37

And -- Yeah. -- Kevin Stuttgart is

28:39

a really great Indianapolis based

28:42

rapper. Which reminds me, Sarah, that today's

28:44

podcast is actually brought to us by

28:46

Long's donuts.

28:47

What do you know? Yeah. Long's donuts.

28:49

They'd like us to know that their name is

28:51

Long's bakery, and that I should stop

28:54

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28:56

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court news from C Wimbledon

33:37

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33:39

team. From Yasmeen, who writes Dear John and Hank

33:41

364 my last birthday, my husband surprised me with tripped

33:44

Indianapolis, so we could do a book tour of my two

33:46

favorite books, default in our and turtles all the way

33:48

down available everywhere books are sold.

33:50

Yes. I mean, that's great work.

33:53

Really critical work. It

33:55

was such a cool experience to explore Indianapolis

33:58

through the eyes of Hazel and Azer we ate

34:00

were Azerba ate at the Applebee's. We got

34:02

slushies from the Speedway of Augustus's

34:04

medical emergency and visited Crown

34:06

Hill, we discovered the beauty of the White

34:08

River while trying and failing to get

34:10

to Wall Street Island, that's a dangerous

34:12

place. Yes, ma'am. That

34:14

should only be done on certain days

34:16

of the year. Yeah. And if you don't have any

34:19

open wounds. But

34:21

John, where on Earth is the Pogue's

34:23

run tunnel? My husband

34:25

and I drove all over Indianapolis and tried many

34:28

different addresses and couldn't find it. Yeah.

34:30

Birthday's in books, Yasmeen, The

34:33

Birthday Queen. PS, we gave her

34:35

birthday book tour of

34:35

Indianapolis, four and a half stars.

34:37

That's so great. And it's a wonderful picture. Too.

34:40

That's great. Pictures. Multiple pictures

34:43

of multiple Pizza John shirts and multiples

34:45

-- Mhmm. -- locations. Pretty

34:47

great. So It's

34:50

pretty good, Yasmeen, that you didn't

34:52

find the entrance to the boat's run

34:54

tunnel. The first I would say,

34:56

like, the first five hundred yards of that tunnel

34:58

are are not that

35:01

not super safe.

35:02

So 364 the wider audience who

35:04

doesn't know what you're talking about

35:06

-- Sure. -- what

35:06

does Pogue's run? So there used to be this

35:09

creek that ran through much

35:11

of the near north side of Indianapolis

35:14

and then dumped into the White River

35:16

right downtown. Mhmm. And then they

35:18

were like, oh, we'd like to use this

35:21

for housing. So we're

35:23

gonna put this creek underground. And

35:26

that's what the Pogue's run tunnel is. It's a

35:28

way for this this creek

35:30

called Pogue's run to run underneath

35:32

the city and then dump out

35:34

right by the football stadium. Mhmm. You can

35:36

see the place where it dumps out by the football stadium

35:38

which is actually cooler to see But

35:41

I almost I I feel like I shouldn't tell

35:43

people where the entrance to the tunnel

35:45

itself is

35:46

because, one, I don't think it's super

35:48

safe

35:48

Yeah. And

35:49

to I don't really want

35:51

it getting, like, overrun.

35:53

Yeah. I think

35:54

You can ask around.

35:56

It's III

35:58

been there.

35:59

No. No.

36:01

It's okay. I'm content to just

36:04

read about it in your book. Yeah.

36:07

And I definitely made it more

36:10

interesting in the book than it is in

36:12

real life. Yeah. Like in real life, it's

36:14

just a tunnel. There's no

36:16

side tunnels. It just pretty much goes straight

36:18

for about a mile in total darkness.

36:21

Yeah. And yeah.

36:24

It's a yeah. So I

36:27

think you did all the fun stuff. Yeah. You really

36:29

did. You did the good stuff. You did that.

36:31

You got that slurpy You

36:33

had the

36:33

dream. Sarah, would you would you be so

36:35

glad you had a good time. Me too. We're

36:37

sorry if you can hear that beeping, by the way. It's

36:39

also annoying for us. We're

36:41

planting trees here at the house. Alright,

36:44

sir. One last question from Jasmine

36:46

who writes Dear, John and Sarah, How

36:48

could I make a Dr Pepper

36:50

Cheesecake? And would you eat a

36:52

Dr Pepper Cheesecake? Yes.

36:55

You totally could make one. You

36:57

could totally make one. What I would do

36:59

-- Yeah.

37:02

-- what I would do is make a

37:04

syrup. Mhmm. I

37:06

would I would boil down some

37:09

some Dr Pepper and

37:11

concentrate it into a syrup.

37:13

And then I would probably, like, swirl

37:16

that syrup into the cheesecake. Mhmm.

37:19

And then maybe put a little bit on top

37:21

or something.

37:22

Mhmm. I would try that. I would try

37:25

that. I'd probably eat it. Like, I have a

37:27

lot of the weird cheesecake

37:29

at the cheesecake factory over the

37:31

years. Mhmm. And I'm always like, no, that's

37:33

a good cheesecake. That's

37:34

still pretty good.

37:35

Yeah. I mean, you know, it's hard to mess it up.

37:37

Like, it's sweet. Yeah. Got

37:39

some. But what I'm guessing

37:41

the question comes from is that since

37:43

it's not derived from many

37:45

flavors, in the real world.

37:47

Oh, yeah. No. I think you have to use

37:49

Dr Pepper served. Yeah.

37:50

You can't try to read

37:52

-- No. -- the taste you

37:53

would have to use Dr Pepper

37:55

-- Totally. -- you

37:56

might sort of

37:58

incorporate it in different ways.

38:01

Yeah. But you'd have to use Dr Pepper syrup. Like,

38:03

even when we make soda

38:05

water with our soda stream and then try

38:07

to put the the fake Dr Pepper

38:12

stuff into it. Mhmm. It's so

38:14

bad. Right. Because only Dr

38:16

Pepper is Dr Pepper.

38:17

Right. That's one of the actually, that's one of the

38:19

sort of axiomatic facts of the universe.

38:22

Actually, you know what I think I would do. I

38:24

make, like, a a cheesecake

38:26

bars

38:27

so that they were in, like, a

38:29

nine by thirteen pan. Mhmm.

38:32

And

38:32

then I just I just

38:35

put the syrup on top. And

38:37

let it sort of be a Dr Pepper

38:39

syrup layer

38:42

on top. Okay.

38:45

Well, you're the expert. don't

38:46

think it's gonna be, like, the next big

38:48

thing. I mean, Dr

38:50

Pepper's trying to get it out there with Dr Pepper

38:52

Peeps. They're

38:55

so bad, 364. And I'll I'll

38:57

have a Dr Pepper anything, so I was shocked.

39:01

So, Sarah, let's move on to the news

39:03

from AFC Wimbledon. Okay. You'll

39:06

recall that one thing about AFC

39:08

Wimbledon is that over the last three

39:10

seasons, even though we've had three different

39:12

managers and many different

39:14

players, so many players coming and

39:16

going. Very few of the same players over these three

39:19

seasons. The one constant is

39:21

that no team in

39:24

professional football literally

39:26

is more likely to give up

39:28

a lead than AFC Wimbledon.

39:30

Oh,

39:31

that hurts. And We

39:33

have given up leads in each of

39:35

our last three games. Mhmm. And

39:37

we have gone on to lose two of those

39:39

games, which has just been infuriating

39:42

for me. So over the last three

39:44

games, our new January signing

39:46

Ali Al Hamidi, who moved

39:49

from Iraq He has an incredible

39:51

life story. His father was imprisoned

39:54

as a political prisoner by Saddam Hussein.

39:56

His family escaped to Britain,

39:58

and then eventually his father was able to get

40:00

to Britain as well. And he became

40:03

a professional footballer. He plays for AFC

40:05

Wimbledon. He's been incredible.

40:07

Over the last three games I think over the last

40:09

four games, he scored five goals, all of them

40:12

beautiful.

40:12

Wow. And I'm

40:13

just a Very exciting. I know. He's

40:15

great. He's only twenty one years old. He's

40:18

also from Liverpool, so he has an extremely thick

40:20

scouse

40:20

accent, which makes me feel right at home listening

40:22

to a football or interview.

40:24

Can we keep him? Great question.

40:26

I mean, not long term, but he did sign a two

40:28

year contract. So we can keep him for at least

40:31

a year hopefully. Right. I'd love to have him

40:33

next season. Yeah. Because, hopefully, the

40:35

we won't be quite as bad. Mhmm.

40:38

So we lost a Stevenage after going

40:40

one no up. Both goals.

40:42

We lost three two, and then we lost Mansfield

40:45

town over the weekend three to one

40:47

after going one no up from a goal

40:49

by Ali Alhamedi, and it's getting very

40:52

frustrating. I don't know what else to say about it. We're

40:54

in sixteenth place. probably not gonna get

40:56

relegated. It's just super annoying.

40:58

I think I think you need to go to a match.

41:01

Well, so the last time I went to a match was our

41:03

last win. Yeah. And

41:05

since then, we've been on a terrible run.

41:07

So I think I need to go to another match

41:09

to flip the script

41:10

again. Yeah. I think so. I

41:12

think it's about me.

41:13

Get out of here, John. I will.

41:15

I will. I'm actually am going to a match,

41:17

as you know, in a couple weeks. The

41:19

news from the AFC Wimbledon Women's

41:22

Team I'm not sure if you know this, but is

41:24

sponsored by Rosiana and

41:25

me.

41:26

I I know. Partners in health on the back of their

41:28

shorts. Mhmm. They

41:31

have been undefeated since

41:34

Rosiana and I started sponsoring them.

41:36

And they beat

41:38

the best team in the league, hashtag united

41:41

364 nil. And then earlier

41:43

this week, they beat Chesham United

41:46

364 one and frankly looked

41:49

excellent. Now, only two

41:51

points off first place in

41:54

their division, which is the fourth tier of

41:56

professional women's soccer, and

41:59

a real opportunity

42:00

to win the league and get promoted

42:03

in next season Roseanne and

42:05

I could sponsor a third tier women

42:07

soccer town Outstanding. -- very

42:09

exciting stuff. So the

42:12

good news waxes

42:15

and wanes --

42:15

Yeah. -- in football. Yes.

42:17

My other team we ever pulled did beat Manchester

42:19

United seven nil over the weekend.

42:22

Yes. III witnessed

42:24

it. God, that was fun. Yes.

42:27

God, that was fun.

42:30

I love football. I know.

42:36

I have to I will admit to you

42:38

that I

42:40

really have to focus when you start

42:42

talking about football.

42:43

It's easy to just say.

42:44

I like start to think about what I'm doing after

42:47

this. Mhmm.

42:47

Yeah. You're like, I can't wait to go for a walk.

42:50

And I'm like, come on, girl.

42:52

Lock it in.

42:53

Lock it in focus. What does John

42:55

cares about this? What is this? I don't

42:57

think you have anything like that that I struggle

42:59

to pay attention to. But you probably I

43:01

don't know. At the beginning when you were really into

43:04

pottery and I didn't know anything about it, but then I did

43:06

the work to get into

43:07

pottery.

43:08

I haven't not done the work,

43:10

John. To get into soccer? Yeah. Well,

43:13

I'm not sure you could name an AFC Wimbledon

43:15

player. Then that's

43:17

okay. That's okay. But I didn't

43:19

used to know lot of the potty characters. When

43:21

we were at a game.

43:22

Yeah. A match. Yeah. No.

43:24

It's all good.

43:25

I know to say match.

43:26

Yeah. No. You know a lot. There's a lot, you know.

43:28

You know, it's not a