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Hank it's a bug As where do brothers

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Me your the mix news from both Mars

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and Fc Wimbledon Giant. Can you believe that

1:50

it is three hundred and seventy four

1:52

days until Christmas and people already have their

1:55

Christmas decorations up. item

1:58

and a rewrite the joke Um,

2:00

here's the new joke. Okay.

2:03

John, did you know that

2:05

people already have their Christmas decorations up? Even

2:08

though it's 374 days until Christmas? Put

2:12

the punch line at the end. That's my advice.

2:14

I'm not a stand-up comic. I don't know. I

2:16

can't. I have learned that over the years. I,

2:19

I, I feel like, I feel like you start

2:21

them out and they're confused. They're like, that's not

2:23

usually how we talk about time. More

2:25

than 365. That doesn't exist. All

2:28

right. I

2:30

don't know. I was really happy with it. But

2:34

thank you for working it out with me, John. I

2:36

appreciate the feedback. Yeah, I'm just trying to, I'm just

2:38

trying to work it out. Hey, speaking of working things

2:40

out, you might remember in a recent episode of the

2:42

podcast, like a post-cancer episode. Mm-hmm. You,

2:45

you said- That's a cult. I

2:47

think, it is sort of a

2:49

before and after moment, Hank. Like I don't want to exaggerate

2:52

it or anything, but you did get

2:55

cancer. Um. And

2:58

anyway, we were, we

3:00

were musing on why Swiss cheese is kind

3:02

of not a good deal because it's got

3:04

all the holes in it. Yeah. And,

3:06

and you're basically paying for air. You're paying for the

3:08

hole. All that air. Yes. Uh-huh.

3:11

Well, I don't, I don't think I mentioned this to you, but about

3:13

16,000 people wrote in- And

3:16

do you know what they said? Have you figured it out?

3:18

Cheese is sold by weight. Cheese is

3:20

sold by weight, Hank. I don't, I don't buy cheese

3:23

by weight. I buy cheese by slice, because I'm that

3:25

kind of man. You buy it by volume. You buy

3:27

it, you're like, hey, I want that eight inch by

3:29

eight inch by eight inch cheese. How much is it?

3:31

Well, how much is it for cubic centimeter? Well, one

3:33

thing I don't have to do, weigh it. Well, don't

3:35

have to weigh it to tell you how much it

3:38

is, because that's not how I sell it. I

3:40

sell it by volume. I buy cheese by the leader. Weird,

3:43

but I do it. But even

3:45

if you bought, my point is that even if you bought it by the

3:47

leader, it would still be, I

3:49

guess it would be liquefied Swiss cheese, but

3:51

it would still be the same issue. It's

3:54

only if you buy it by,

3:56

by area. Yeah,

3:59

that's what. Leader is area. Leader

4:01

is a unit of volume. Thank

4:03

you. It's okay if you

4:05

don't understand all the different units. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

4:07

You're telling me that a leader is an

4:11

amount of volume? Yeah, man. What else do

4:13

you think it was? I thought

4:15

it was a weight. You

4:18

know, it is directly transferable to a

4:21

weight as long as it's water. Because

4:25

like 12 fluid ounces is a

4:27

weight, right? 12

4:30

fluid ounces is a volume.

4:33

What about 355 millil... How can

4:35

12 fluid ounces be a... No,

4:38

because 16 fluid ounces is one fluid pound,

4:40

which is definitely a weight. An ounce is

4:42

a weight. An

4:45

ounce is a weight. But I think

4:47

a fluid ounce isn't? Because I

4:49

think a fluid... Wait.

4:54

I can't say... I respectfully...

4:58

You don't sound good. Like if you

5:00

are right, it's shocking. It's

5:02

shocking to me that 12 fluid ounces

5:04

would be an amount of space rather

5:07

than a weight. Yes. 12 fluid ounces

5:09

is an amount of space. I'm sorry.

5:12

Ounces? If you wanted ounces,

5:14

you could just leave out the fluid.

5:16

Fluid ounces is an amount of volume

5:18

and it is defined by ounces

5:21

of water specifically,

5:23

which has the density of water. Let

5:26

me ask you a very serious question.

5:29

The Diet Dr. Pepper that I am drinking right now, which

5:32

by the way is great. I've noticed that with

5:35

Diet Dr. Pepper, depending on

5:37

like the air quality, heat, the

5:41

moisture level and everything, I taste one of the

5:43

different 23 hours

5:45

more profoundly with

5:47

each Dr. Pepper. I'm getting

5:50

a lot of plumb on this one. Anyway.

5:53

You know that that's why they put the bubbles in soda

5:55

is so that they don't have to put as much liquid

5:57

in there? Boom

6:00

that's not that's not true. Yeah, they put all

6:02

the bubbles in there So that they so that

6:05

they don't have to sell you as much soda

6:08

You know they put the game like the chips and the

6:10

bags with all the air and the chip bag. I Genuinely

6:13

can't tell if this entire thing is a

6:15

bit or if you're telling me

6:18

the truth Do you know how they make

6:20

Swiss cheese? Why that why that Swiss cheese?

6:24

Because it's made with whole milk I

6:28

Know okay Hank is 12

6:30

fluid ounces a weight or

6:32

is it a volume? Just

6:35

tell me the H. O. L. E. Hole.

6:37

I understand the joke. I am I'm

6:41

unit of volume That's

6:43

so so I just need to know

6:45

where the line is between the bit and not the bit

6:48

Okay, is it when you say 12 fluid

6:50

ounces is is an amount of? Volume

6:54

not a weight. Yeah that a bit.

6:56

No, that's true fact fluid

6:59

ounces are a unit of volume So

7:02

you're telling leaders are a unit of volume though

7:04

one liter of water weighs exactly 1,000 grams or

7:07

1 kilogram Right,

7:09

but there's bubbles in here. So you're

7:11

telling me that if I

7:14

I just want to

7:16

confirm this Okay, I weighed uh-huh

7:18

diet. Dr. Pepper. Yes It would

7:22

weigh less than 12 ounces No

7:29

No, cuz Then

7:32

it's a then it's a measure of weight

7:35

I'm sorry, but that's literally the definition of

7:37

a measure of weight is the 12 ounces.

7:39

You're right. You're right I think it would

7:41

weigh more than 12 ounces because high fructose

7:43

corn syrup is heavier than water and That

7:47

the the the the bubbles are either way

7:49

until the bubbles were a bit the bubbles

7:51

are not in when in before you open

7:53

The can the bubbles aren't in there. There's

7:56

no bubbles. It's carbon dioxide dissolved in the water

7:58

like the sugar is dissolved in the water and everything

8:01

else is dissolved in the water. So

8:03

there's no, the bubbles aren't there until you

8:05

open it and the bubbles come out. And

8:07

as the bubbles come out, I've learned more

8:09

about soda pop in the

8:11

last three minutes than I

8:13

did in my entire life. A podcast. Yeah.

8:17

What? Okay. All right. First

8:20

off, there's no bubbles in the Dr. Pepper until I

8:22

open it, at which point there are magically bubbles because

8:24

that's just how chemistry works. I

8:26

can get behind that. Okay. And

8:29

I can tell you that 12 fluid ounces of Diet Dr.

8:31

Pepper weighs more than 12 ounces. That's

8:34

a stunner. That's a shock. That

8:36

is... Yeah. And this is as somebody who's consumed

8:38

quite a lot of Diet Dr. Pepper. That might

8:41

be the biggest

8:43

surprise since April when you

8:45

called to tell me that you had cancer. Right?

8:48

When I was coming back from Sierra Leone, I

8:50

thought I knew exactly what I was going to

8:52

do with my life. I was hyper focused on

8:54

tuberculosis, except no, not really. I

8:57

got a new job called Seals Complexly.

9:01

I looked it up, John, and 12 fluid

9:03

ounces of soda weighs about 12.5 ounces,

9:05

unless it's diet

9:08

soda, in which case it weighs about 12

9:10

ounces. Good

9:14

God. So you

9:16

get more soda if you get regular

9:18

soda. Only by weight, not

9:21

by volume. I'm

9:25

so proud of that joke more, Matt.

9:27

It's more stuff. It is literally more.

9:29

That's like saying that like... No, no.

9:32

It's just denser. It's just denser. It's literally

9:35

not more stuff. Okay. It's the

9:37

same amount of stuff, denser. You deliver me

9:39

a cube of air. That's

9:43

less stuff than if you deliver me a cube of bricks.

9:45

You agree? It's not less stuff.

9:48

It's just less density. There's

9:51

fewer molecules.

9:54

There's more molecules in

9:56

a regular soda than

9:58

a diet soda. Indeed. identified the

10:00

nature of density. Or at least

10:02

more, not necessarily, no, not necessarily,

10:05

because you also got to count

10:07

the protons and the neutrons. That's

10:09

actually what the mass is. So

10:11

there are more protons and neutrons

10:13

in a regular soda than a

10:15

diet soda. Correct. This

10:18

is a true, definitely true fact and is

10:20

not a bit. It sounds like a bit.

10:23

It's also a bit, but it's true too. I

10:26

genuinely, y'all at home listening,

10:28

I don't know if it's true. It's a bit. I'm

10:32

going to have to look it up later

10:34

because Hank is using the same tone of voice when

10:36

he's bidding and when he's not bidding. I know I

10:38

am. It's the tea. I had

10:40

tea, but I

10:43

think from now on. Wait, like special

10:45

tea? Wait, from now on,

10:47

no, just English breakfast. From now

10:49

on. Oh, it's the caffeine. I did it.

10:51

I'm going to get, I'm going to start

10:54

pricing things per molecule. Like I want

10:57

to go in, or per proton. I

10:59

want to go into the store

11:02

and instead of being like, this costs this much

11:04

per ounce. No. I want you

11:06

to tell me how much it costs per atomic

11:08

particle. Well,

11:11

I certainly need that now that I know that half

11:14

the stuff that I'm buying by weight, I'm not buying

11:16

by weight. I'm buying by volume. Yeah.

11:19

And I buy cheese per slice, people.

11:22

So you're telling me that when I buy a gallon

11:24

of ice cream, I'm

11:26

not buying a weight of ice cream. And

11:30

when you buy a gallon of ice cream, you are buying a

11:32

volume of ice cream. Gallon is a volume. So

11:34

I buy a gallon of ice cream and

11:36

I might have, they might have put a bunch of air in

11:38

there to make it a

11:41

more aerated ice cream. Definitely a bunch of

11:43

air and dip and dots. Well,

11:45

like, so between ice cream brands, there could be

11:47

a different amount of ice cream for the same

11:49

price and you have no way of knowing that

11:52

because they're both one gallon. The only way you

11:54

could know that is if there was what I

11:56

think we should call proton price transparency. PPT

12:01

PPT future we're gonna have a grocery

12:03

store the new good dust store grocery store

12:06

available at your corner market It has PPT

12:08

unlike every other store in America. It's very

12:10

confusing and no one likes it The

12:12

great thing about PPT is that

12:15

everything seems so inexpensive, right? Like

12:17

you get so many protons for

12:19

penny Like

12:22

five times ten to the negative

12:24

nine cents per proton I

12:31

Was thinking it would be more like how

12:33

many protons per dollar so it would be

12:36

like ten to the 73rd protons per dollar

12:41

Then you'd look at another thing I see it'd be like

12:43

ten to the 72 or six to the 72

12:47

And you'd be like ah god, I mean, you know, that's a

12:49

difference. But is it gonna change my life? How

12:52

much does a proton cost is an amazing

12:54

title for a video? It

12:56

is a good I mean, that's That's

12:59

the kind of video that you'll still make you

13:01

know, but I I'm I'm over How

13:05

much does a proton cost and like how much

13:07

does the proton of gold cost very different from

13:09

how much is a proton of? Air cost because thankfully

13:11

air continues to as far as I could tell

13:13

be mostly free Yeah,

13:15

mostly Well, I

13:18

mean this has been an education

13:20

unlike any other today I learned

13:22

so much about diet. Dr. Pepper

13:24

about ice cream about protons about

13:26

their cost about the lack of

13:28

transparency in the volume

13:31

business Yeah, i'm so

13:33

glad I asked you this thing about swiss cheese,

13:35

but I also want to ask you this question.

13:37

Okay, Kimberly Uh-huh, because it's a

13:39

volume question. Yeah, dear

13:41

john and hank. I like jenga You know that

13:43

game jenga where you pull out the little pieces

13:45

of wood and eventually the tower falls over. Of

13:48

course I do Well, I just figured

13:50

some listeners at home might not you know, so I

13:52

wanted to Lay the land

13:54

for them. Yeah I appreciate that. It's

13:57

a super simple game. There's not much to it. Kimberly reports.

13:59

It's fun But why are some blocks

14:01

harder to pull than others? Like, aren't they

14:03

all the same size? Are they not? What's

14:05

the weight distribution there? Just how? Baffled by

14:08

the gravity of the situation? Kimberly, Kimberly, I'm

14:10

so glad you asked. It's actually not possible

14:12

to produce two wooden blocks with the

14:15

same number of protons. There

14:18

has never been. Never happened. Two

14:20

jenga blocks with the same number

14:22

of protons. They're like snowflakes. It's,

14:24

well, you know, it's possible. It's

14:26

just extremely unlikely. Yeah, and

14:29

the thing is, jenga would have to put a

14:31

lot, like, billions of dollars

14:33

of work into

14:37

making nanometer-specific

14:39

cuts. Yeah.

14:42

Or micro meter-specific cuts. And they don't want that, because they

14:44

want it to be tricky. So do

14:46

you know the answer to this? You

14:49

just told me the answer. The answer is that the jenga

14:51

blocks are different sizes. That's

14:54

true. But I also do think that

14:56

it's partly about how you stack. I

14:58

think the stack also is never quite

15:00

perfect. I

15:04

don't think that's it. Well,

15:07

I do. I think that

15:09

if you had, well, imagine, put it

15:11

in your mind. Build in your

15:13

mind the imaginary laser-cut metal blocks

15:15

that are

15:18

all exactly the same size. And you put the calipers on

15:20

it. When I close my eyes and

15:22

I picture something, do you know what I

15:24

see? I'm sorry. I feel bad. I see

15:26

nothing. And so

15:29

thank you for making a joke about this

15:31

thing that is a talent I

15:33

don't have. It wasn't a joke. It wasn't making a joke. I'm

15:36

going to close my eyes. There's

15:38

nothing there. Describe to me what I'm supposed

15:40

to be seeing, and I can maybe make

15:42

words for it. So they're perfectly-cut silver metal

15:45

jenga blocks. Yeah. I don't see them, but

15:47

I know what you mean. And

15:49

they slide into each other so tightly that there's

15:51

not even a seam. Like, you put the three

15:53

together, you can't even tell there's three there. It

15:56

looks as if there is just one block now

15:58

that's a square. And then you lay down. more

16:00

down. They're just gonna like, they're just that

16:02

like you're gonna take one of those out

16:04

and that that power will remain exactly as

16:07

solid as it has always been. In fact,

16:09

now that I'm saying this, I want to

16:11

build this Jenga set. And

16:15

yes, but what I would say, well first off

16:17

I think you're absolutely right that the main thing

16:19

is that the blocks are different sizes and we

16:21

can get into that. But I

16:23

would say that if you stack differently,

16:26

like if you stack one so that

16:28

they aren't perfectly aligned because you're a

16:30

human being not a robot. What makes

16:32

it not perfectly aligned? What

16:34

do you mean what makes it not perfectly aligned when

16:37

you're stacking three of these blocks? It's gonna sit flat

16:39

on the thing that you're putting it on. Yeah,

16:42

yeah, yeah, but you're not

16:44

going to align these

16:47

three perfectly next to those three. You're always

16:49

gonna be a little bit off because you're

16:51

a person who's doing it with with person

16:53

fingers that are notorious for their lack of

16:55

precision, right? And that's gonna

16:57

slightly redistribute the weight in such a way

17:00

that one of the three is going to

17:02

be easier to pull off than the others.

17:05

However, I think it's just the size difference

17:07

and I think I'd like to make a

17:10

perfect Jenga set that has no size difference

17:12

and see what it's like to play with.

17:14

The problem is it's gonna be very expensive

17:16

and people love to steal board games because

17:18

they are risk-takers. I've

17:20

never in my life had

17:23

someone come over to my... I've had people steal lots of things

17:25

from my house. I've never in my life

17:27

had someone come over to my house and steal a

17:29

freaking Jenga game and nor have you. I

17:31

want people to go on the Nerdfighteria

17:34

subreddit and answer whether you got the

17:36

risk taker joke on the first time,

17:38

which John clearly did. Oh, they are

17:40

risk takers. No,

17:44

it's not... I mean I get it, but I don't

17:47

want to indulge it. That's

17:49

it. We're done. We did it. I

17:51

got 3N. We're done. Wikipedia

17:54

reports the blocks have

17:56

small random variations so as to create imperfections

17:58

in the stacking process. to make the game

18:00

more challenging. I actually think it

18:02

makes the game less challenging. It's intentional. Yeah,

18:04

yeah, yeah. Yeah, because you just like, some

18:07

of them are just like, you could blow

18:09

them out. Yeah. Well,

18:11

so there you go. It's intentional. But I

18:13

still think that how we stack matters.

18:17

I believe that we cannot remove the

18:19

human element from Jenga and

18:21

the stacking where- Nor should we try. The

18:24

stacking is where inevitably we create

18:27

our own imperfections. What's

18:29

going to be Jon's perspective on this? And

18:31

I'm going to let him have it. This

18:33

next question comes from Sarah Ann Carter who

18:35

asked, dear Hank and Jon, if the rock

18:37

of the moon was a different color, would

18:39

it be as bright? Like, if the moon

18:41

was black or pink, would the moonlight look

18:44

different to us? Need to know! Various

18:47

emojis. Pumpkins and

18:49

spiced pink- spiced penguins, Sarah and

18:51

Carter. Spiced. Spiced.

18:53

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah,

18:56

you spiced the pumpkins. Maybe not the penguins. I

18:59

don't know if I can tell you about the penguins. Yeah.

19:02

Oh man, did I tell you about the dream

19:04

I had about a gigantic penguin who abducted a

19:06

baby? You did. I

19:09

think maybe you mentioned it on the podcast. No,

19:11

that was a pelican. Oh,

19:13

yeah, right. It was a pelican. Did

19:16

you have another bird

19:18

abducting a baby dream? Yeah,

19:20

and they were stuck underneath the ice together. And

19:23

I had to save them. The baby was? And

19:25

the penguin. Oh no. Yeah,

19:28

but he kept it warm, and so

19:30

everybody lived. Wow. It was intense.

19:32

I don't know that I can have... Did you break through the

19:34

ice? I had... Did you have a pole axe? It

19:37

was one of those things where I didn't have anything

19:39

and then suddenly I did, you know? Yeah.

19:43

I was like, whoa, thank God I got

19:45

this gigantic axe. Yeah, that's nice that your

19:47

subconscious delivered you a way out of the

19:49

anxiety rather than just ramping it up over

19:52

and over again, which is sometimes what it

19:54

seems to want to do. It's

19:56

like, oh, you had a pole axe, but now you don't. The pole

19:58

axe is made out of rubber. Is

20:01

that what yours is doing at the moment? Not

20:03

really, no. But it certainly has in the past.

20:05

I feel like a pole axe would be a good tool for

20:07

getting a baby out of ice. I don't

20:09

know what a pole axe is exactly. I just had kind of

20:12

a regular axe, but it was... Is it

20:14

called a mace when on one side it's got that sort

20:16

of hammer thing and on the other side it's an axe?

20:19

Because that's what this was. It was hammer on one

20:21

side, axe on the other. Sure, yeah, maybe a mace is

20:23

just like a big heavy ball on one side. A pole

20:25

axe is like an axe on a pole. Wow,

20:29

I would never have guessed that.

20:31

Next you'll tell me that 12 fluid

20:33

ounces of diet Dr. Pepper just happened to weigh

20:36

12 ounces. It's

20:42

so weird. It

20:44

is very weird. It's something very strange that

20:46

12 fluid ounces of Dr. Pepper weighs 12

20:49

and a half ounces. And

20:52

that 12 fluid ounces of diet Dr. Pepper weighs 12 ounces.

20:55

Yeah. It's all very weird. It's

20:57

all... It boils

21:00

down to protons. I'm

21:02

making this podcast I can't talk about yet. And

21:05

in the podcast I can't talk about yet we

21:08

talk about protons. And I'll tell you what, protons

21:10

are an astonishment. Yeah,

21:13

right. Tough, right? Can

21:16

you believe it? The more

21:18

you zoom into the proton,

21:20

the weirder it gets. Yeah,

21:23

that's true. That's true.

21:26

Okay, Hank. We didn't answer the

21:28

question. What was the question? What

21:31

would the world be like if the moon was

21:33

a different color? So the moon is, I think,

21:36

a little bit... So if you had white on

21:38

one side and black on the other, like whitest

21:41

white, blackest black, the color of the moon

21:43

would be closer to black than white. So

21:46

it looked very white to us when we look at it. Because

21:49

it's like on the background of perfect blackness and

21:51

also it's being hit by an awful lot of

21:54

sunlight. So The stuff that the light that's

21:56

being shined back at us makes it look like it's lighter

21:58

than it is. They

22:00

were white. The moon would be

22:02

so bright. So. right? How

22:05

brave like we're a writer. Could.

22:07

We work at night. Would. We have

22:10

developed a completely different civilizations. You

22:12

know that's a great question and

22:14

also not like not. wait. At

22:17

All Unsinkable in terms of how moons

22:19

can be like there are ice moons

22:21

of other planets so we could hear

22:23

radically, have a nice moon and if

22:25

we're bigger and made of ice was

22:27

very bright in the sky and I

22:29

could totally see. That.

22:31

The times when there is a full moon and them the moon

22:33

is out. That. It would be

22:35

totally. Workable. To be

22:38

outside do tennis. Wow.

22:42

That would be that. A magnifying as

22:44

bright. As it is at

22:47

present you with that up. When.

22:49

I did you mass? Yeah. No, I

22:52

did the math Thank you note on the look

22:54

ssssss. And that song and

22:56

it would be it's You know, if it were twice

22:58

as big, that would probably not just be twice as

23:00

much light. I still probably increases the

23:02

square so it would be. Under.

23:05

No. Himes is bright. Wow. So if it's

23:08

three times and. It's. Eight times

23:10

as bright. I. Mean, I'm not

23:12

good at multiplying. Magnitudes of

23:14

Light just to state the obvious, but

23:16

I think it's. Certainly.

23:19

On a full moon, those end two or

23:21

three times as bright you could do most

23:23

things I mean I like you can do

23:26

a lot. With. Just a full

23:28

moon as it's now. you gotta remember

23:30

clouds. Ah, gotta remember

23:32

clouds. You gotta remember clouds said

23:34

clowns would be brighter. Clouds.

23:37

What are ya know for sure? See.

23:39

Would look up in how next month's are and and

23:42

you know what else you know and else you wouldn't

23:44

see as much of his stars. Certainly

23:46

not on a moonlit night. Know.

23:49

Ah, not on a cloudy night either. Just state

23:52

the obvious. So

23:56

good and bad. Gas for so

23:58

good. I mean, Jesus Christ. How

24:00

does this podcast fly under the radar? Hank,

24:02

I don't understand. It's like in

24:04

2007 when we would call each other and

24:08

we had like 100 YouTube subscribers and we'd be

24:10

like, this is good, right? We're pretty good at

24:12

this. I think we're good. But

24:15

here's what I wanna know. Could

24:17

you spray paint the moon so that

24:20

it's a bunch of different colors and

24:22

they show up at different times? So

24:24

when it's a half moon, like if I had

24:27

the moon, they're like four quarters. Yeah. And

24:29

you have like a blue quarter and you have a

24:31

purple quarter and a green quarter and a yellow quarter.

24:34

And then when they're all lit up, then it's like,

24:36

oh, look at that big, beautiful, colorful moon and all

24:38

those colors get mixed together. But like as it goes

24:40

through the phases, you get different colors of moon. That'll

24:43

piss off the homophobes. Rainbow moon.

24:46

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

24:48

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

24:50

We'll show them. The moon has gone woke.

24:53

No, no, no. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

24:55

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

24:57

ha. But it's best if it

24:59

just happens rather than. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. If

25:01

it just happened, one day if the moon actually did

25:03

go woke and all the people

25:05

were like, this is not what God intended,

25:08

even though it does appear that God did

25:10

it. Ha ha ha ha ha

25:12

ha ha ha ha ha. We don't know how else it could

25:14

have gotten done, but we're pretty sure it was the elites

25:16

at the university. Ha ha ha ha ha

25:18

ha ha ha. Seems like something. Seems

25:22

like something they would do. Something professors would do.

25:24

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

25:26

ha ha ha ha. Yeah, exactly. Like all

25:28

the scholars of 18th century German

25:31

literature got together and made the moon woke. I

25:33

knew it was coming. I

25:36

love this, Hank. This is a great idea. This

25:38

is the best idea you've ever had. I think

25:40

that we should invest all of humanity's available resources

25:42

in making a rainbow moon. Yeah,

25:45

the blue moon is when it's like once,

25:47

it comes out once, twice in one month.

25:49

Yeah. And the woke moon is when it

25:52

comes out at all. Ha ha ha

25:54

ha ha ha. I thought you said you were done with

25:56

the pun. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

25:58

ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh.

26:01

We've got a really important question from Dana

26:03

who writes, Dear John and Hank, I recall

26:05

you discussing Hank's journey of meaning this time

26:07

last year. Remember when you were on a

26:09

journey of meaning? We didn't know. Yeah.

26:13

Was it the cancer talking? Was the cancer on

26:15

a journey of meaning? A journey of meaning to

26:17

be discovered? And who knows? Given

26:20

the everything, way to refer to it Dana,

26:22

the everything is a good way to refer

26:24

to it. I was wondering, how's that journey

26:26

of meaning going? Dana?

26:28

Dana. Dana. How

26:31

was your journey of meaning going Hank? I

26:33

remember, so I was recently did the Nerdfighteria

26:35

census analysis, which you can find on Hank's

26:38

channel. And

26:40

I was reading through people's comments

26:42

and there were a lot of comments that were like,

26:45

I'm worried about Hank's health. Oh,

26:49

oh like, and this was last year. This

26:51

was pre-cancer. Yeah, from like January. It was

26:54

pre-cancer. You were just giving off vibes.

26:57

I'm really worried about Hank's. You were working

26:59

so hard. I was. And

27:01

now I am again. Like it's not

27:04

as hard. No, and also not as stressful.

27:06

Like the work that I've been doing lately

27:08

has been mostly very fun. And

27:13

there are people who are doing a lot

27:15

of stressful things on my behalf, which I

27:17

appreciate. Yeah,

27:20

the journey of meaning is

27:23

weird and it's complicated a

27:25

little bit by mortality. I

27:28

find it to be complicated quite a lot

27:31

by mortality actually. Well, it's more complicated by

27:33

mortality than it once was, is

27:35

what I mean. But

27:39

like I think that it's also just

27:42

complicated by reality. I

27:44

think it's very, it continues

27:46

to be very complicated to be a person

27:49

and much more so than I thought when

27:51

I started. So my

27:54

journey of meaning. Let me put it

27:56

to you this way. Have you entered a place

27:58

of worship in the last year? I

28:01

think that every place can be

28:04

a place of worship John great

28:06

answer. Okay. I've entered nature Oh,

28:09

this is the kind of journey of meaning

28:11

that you're on you're on a journey of

28:13

connection to nature Which by the way, I

28:15

I also am that's like I'm

28:17

reading all the like sacred nature literature

28:19

now I'm I'm deep into that's good.

28:21

I'm deep into it. It's good stuff.

28:23

Yeah No, I mean that one

28:26

of the things that that so here's

28:28

a thing about About cancer is

28:30

that it is it is it

28:32

is you Deciding

28:34

to not be you anymore And so

28:37

the the like cells start to instead

28:39

of because I like this is the

28:41

thing you're like I don't know

28:43

probably around 50 to 75 trillion cells

28:46

John. I don't know exactly how many protons

28:49

you have but you got a lot of cells and

28:52

And they're all working together all of the

28:54

time to do you to be like be

28:56

you and yeah And and that's like one

28:59

of the greatest acts of cooperation of all

29:01

time. Like you are a colony of cells

29:04

and for a bacteria They

29:06

are also cells and they are they also

29:08

communicate with I know and so like you

29:10

know They're part your part some ways. They are

29:12

part of you. I thought not just in some

29:15

ways like they are fundamentally Inextricably,

29:17

yeah me. Yeah. Well, I mean like the

29:19

thing about your cells is you can't extract

29:21

some of them from you You could extract

29:24

your your microbiome and still be you I

29:26

think you could not for very long Well,

29:30

it seems it you'd get a new one, you

29:32

know, yes Yeah, unless you like live in a

29:34

sterile spot you could you could you know You

29:36

can lose a hand and you're still you like

29:38

you can lose a big lose a few blood

29:40

cells. Yeah Yeah, you can lose

29:42

a big house not this morning of your

29:44

of yourself and still be you you're constantly

29:47

Consuming your own cells and swallowing them and digesting

29:49

them, which is wild Yeah,

29:51

and so the so This

29:57

Tremend like and for like half of the history of life

30:00

on Earth, it was

30:02

just single-celled organisms. And

30:04

then they started- So there was no cooperation

30:06

within an organism between cells because there was

30:08

only one cell. Started to team up and

30:10

like do things with each other. And

30:13

like the part

30:16

where we are eight

30:18

billion colonies, each

30:21

of like 50 to 100 trillion

30:26

cells- Right. Each

30:28

of those cells replicating billions of times.

30:31

Yeah. And it

30:33

works at all? No,

30:35

it's miraculous. What? Yeah.

30:39

Like, like how? What? But

30:42

then, but then there's this small

30:44

colony of cells in your lymph

30:47

that's like, I don't want

30:49

to be him anymore. Yeah. And

30:52

then you just start to evolve back in sort of

30:54

a single-celled way where they're like, I'd rather, you know,

30:56

like, if I can make more of me, there will

30:59

be more of me. They're not making a decision, obviously,

31:01

but like there's like any trait

31:03

that allows them to make more of themselves will

31:05

be more present in the cellular population because

31:09

they can make more of themselves. And

31:11

then you end up with them

31:13

evolving to sort of evade all of the

31:15

systems that are designed to not let them

31:17

do that because of course- Yes.

31:20

They just want to leave. All the time. And

31:22

so they're just sort of doing what you would expect them to

31:24

do, which is following the rules

31:26

of natural selection, and which

31:29

is just, you know, things that make more of themselves,

31:31

there are more of them. And

31:36

then like they just start evolving to figure

31:39

out how to keep living, which includes evolving

31:41

to evade treatment and to evade all of

31:43

the systems your body has to control them.

31:46

And it's like such a tricky little guy to

31:49

fight. But

31:51

the thing that makes me like, and you

31:53

know, that seems like an inevitability, and it

31:56

turns out that it is pretty much an inevitability of

31:59

multicellular life. But the

32:01

thing that makes me much more weird about the

32:03

whole thing is that thinking about it that way,

32:05

I don't know. Of course,

32:07

consciousness, big question mark, nobody knows what it

32:09

is. Is it an illusion? Am I conscious

32:11

at all? Do I exist in the

32:14

spaces between my thoughts and the examination

32:16

of those thoughts? Where am I in

32:19

that chain? All

32:23

of it, actually, the reason it's

32:25

here, and different

32:27

perspectives on this, but this is my perspective,

32:29

the reason it's here is that

32:32

it helps pass the traits on. I

32:35

am imbued with once because once

32:37

are a trait that increases

32:39

the odds of a thing

32:42

making more of itself. And

32:44

if it's able to make more of itself, there will be more

32:46

of it. That's what I am. But

32:50

what that has added up to is

32:52

a creature capable of not

32:55

just making hats and

32:57

computers and stuff, but society and

33:00

love and music and podcasts

33:02

and stuff, and words, all the beauty

33:04

and the art. And

33:08

the interaction between the individual cell colonies. You're

33:10

a big cell colony and I am, and

33:12

then there's eight billion others, and

33:14

we all do a whole earth together.

33:18

That stuff made love, and

33:20

love is very real and

33:22

very powerful and very, very

33:24

strange. It's so strange that

33:26

we don't think about how strange it is, because

33:29

if we did, I think we would

33:31

be in a blind panic the whole time. Well,

33:34

I'll tell you what. Understanding

33:36

that cancer is basically the

33:39

most natural thing in the world to have happen

33:41

to a multicellular organism is a

33:43

little bit blindingly panicking. But

33:46

it's good that we have lots of systems to stop it. Some

33:51

naturally selected for

33:53

and some human built.

33:56

And I think that's also something that

33:58

I find really lovely about. us

34:00

is that we

34:03

participate and are made out of

34:05

biological systems, but we also create

34:08

and participate in and reform

34:10

and restructure all the time

34:12

these human-built systems. Yeah.

34:16

And so there are these problems that we don't know

34:18

how to solve because they're not human-built system

34:20

problems. And we look at them and we're like, oh

34:22

boy, we better put a lot of resources and try

34:25

and solve those problems. And that's really important, right? That's

34:27

why we have chemotherapy. But

34:30

then there are also these human-built system problems, which

34:32

are the ones that I tend to be obsessed with

34:35

for whatever reason, where we could fix them.

34:40

Getting chemotherapy to everyone is one example,

34:43

right? The difference between inventing

34:45

chemotherapy and making chemotherapy available to

34:47

some people and then making chemotherapy

34:49

available to all people, those are

34:51

all huge leaps that require a

34:53

kind of innovation. We put

34:55

a lot of emphasis on the kind of innovation that leads

34:57

to the discovery, but not that much emphasis

35:00

on the innovation that leads to

35:02

availability and access. And

35:05

that's something I find

35:07

frustrating about us, but it's also something I

35:09

kind of love about us, that we can

35:12

do that. We can do better jobs of

35:14

distributing what we've learned

35:16

together. And when we do that, it's

35:18

great. That's

35:20

great. And we figured

35:22

out what's keeping the stars apart, not just

35:25

how to cure cancer. It's how we figured

35:27

out why

35:30

my brain knows that it's going to make a fist before

35:32

I make a fist. And

35:37

how it can be wrong, that you can fool

35:39

it. But yeah, it

35:42

also has felt more

35:44

to me like

35:47

our inability to

35:50

enact the world that it is more

35:52

just is a

35:54

cellular problem. Oh,

35:56

that's interesting. Like we

35:58

are what we are. And we we are still

36:01

trying to figure out how to be it and

36:03

it's so like it's so hard to fight

36:05

it like to fight Against or to like

36:08

to we need all the time we do

36:10

we do we but like And

36:12

that's like that's the wonderful thing But like you can't

36:14

it you know We it's taken so

36:17

long to get from the part

36:19

where the you know The the

36:21

instinct and it you know We're all like

36:23

this like the first round of empathy is

36:25

toward our families and toward the people we

36:27

have the closest relationships with

36:29

and like to like to like

36:31

expanding that circle of empathy it

36:34

requires Tools

36:38

it requires innovation like

36:41

we have to create cultural innovation to be able

36:43

to do that Well, yeah, I would

36:45

almost say that it requires a journey of

36:47

meaning We and

36:49

we are all on one even if we don't know

36:51

that's right That's

36:54

what I've been trying to tell you for years is

36:56

that you were always on a journey of meaning You're

36:58

just kind of rejected the idea. Well, it's because you

37:00

kept saying it like it was religious, John Well,

37:03

you're doing that was that was that

37:05

was my mistake It

37:08

is religious Either

37:10

here nor there I Still

37:13

can't let that go but like, you know,

37:15

like I would argue that like nature, you

37:18

know, nature religions are still religions Like religions

37:20

aren't theistic right or or

37:22

inherently supernatural in my opinion But

37:26

but I just think It

37:29

was weird timing in that way, but

37:32

it has both

37:34

in the way you've responded to it as

37:36

a Sort

37:38

of biomedical problem by using it

37:40

as an opportunity to educate people

37:43

to talk to people and

37:45

that has the social effect

37:47

of destigmatizing the

37:49

experience but also in the way you

37:51

that you've talked about the Non-biomedical

37:55

parts of it the mental health

37:57

parts the psychosocial parts. I

37:59

just think it's been really helpful for a lot of people and

38:01

it's I just you've taken

38:03

who you are and what you do

38:06

in your natural curiosity and just applied

38:08

it to this horrific thing and I

38:10

don't think

38:13

I would have done that. I think I would have I

38:16

think I would have gotten off the internet. So

38:18

it's just something I really admire about you. I did

38:20

the only thing I know who I knew how to

38:22

do. That's what people kept being like you're doing this

38:24

a very interesting way and I'm like I'm I don't

38:27

know what else to do. That's all

38:29

I know how to do. Yeah.

38:31

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39:49

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43:02

got to get to this question before we get to

43:04

the news from Mars and Nancy Wimbledon Hank. It's important.

43:06

It's from Julia. She writes, I

43:08

promise you this was in the question list.

43:12

I see it. She writes, Hello, why do

43:14

people use ways as much as insert number

43:16

of elephants to describe how heavy something is?

43:18

I don't know how heavy an elephant is.

43:20

I've never touched one in my life. Thank

43:22

you, Julia. Well, Julia, what if I told

43:24

you that how heavy an elephant is actually

43:26

has nothing to do with how much space

43:28

an elephant takes up, which makes

43:30

it even harder to understand because what they

43:32

really mean is the size of 16 elephants,

43:34

right? Not the weight of 16 elephants.

43:37

No, they mean the weight of 16 elephants. But I can't.

43:39

Nobody can picture the weight of an elephant. I've never had

43:41

one step on me. I've never like bench pressed

43:43

one. What they're thinking about is the size

43:45

and space that an elephant takes up when I

43:48

look at one or when I look at

43:50

a picture of one, which it turns out Julia

43:52

has nothing to do with the weight of

43:54

the elephant. I think, all

43:56

right, new idea. We sell everything

43:58

by elephants. You got

44:01

cheese and it's just

44:03

like, it's just like one

44:05

thirty-seven thousandths of an elephant.

44:08

Volume or weight. Volume

44:10

or weight. No. I'm

44:12

out. I only said volume because I don't know

44:14

how much an elephant weighs. No, it

44:16

has to be weight because that's the protons.

44:18

It's directly transferable. The problem is, and this

44:20

I do not like about weighing things in

44:23

elephants, is that there are some elephants that

44:25

are full grown and weigh 6,000 pounds

44:28

and some that are full grown and weigh 12,000

44:30

pounds. There's lots of

44:32

different kinds of elephants. There's

44:34

like two main different kinds of elephants. But

44:37

there's lots of different ages and weights

44:39

of elephants. And for that matter, while

44:41

we're on the topic, volumes, how do

44:43

you account for the tusk? How much

44:45

is a tusk weight? I don't know

44:47

because I've never held one. How much

44:49

does like the nose thing

44:52

weigh? What's the trunk weigh? I don't know.

44:54

I've never held one. I know how

44:56

much space it takes up because I can look at it and see

44:58

how much space it takes up, but I don't know how much it

45:00

weighs. And this is

45:02

a fundamental issue, it turns out, Julia, because

45:04

knowing how big something is does

45:06

not tell you how much stuff,

45:09

how many protons are in it. Yeah.

45:13

And I learned that today, Julia, so I'm a

45:15

little obsessed with it. You

45:17

look at an elephant and you're like, that seems awful

45:19

big. It's moving real slow

45:21

because of how heavy it is. Probably

45:25

if it stood on your fridge, your fridge would break. I

45:28

don't think it would. You don't think it? No.

45:31

I think my fridge would break if a full grown

45:34

African bull elephant stepped on it. Well

45:36

first off, you're saying like,

45:38

I think my fridge might break if the

45:41

world's largest elephant stood on it, which is

45:44

not the average elephant. Secondly,

45:47

I still don't think it would. I think your fridge

45:49

would hold up just fine. In fact, I need to

45:51

test this immediately. All right.

45:53

Where is the nearest elephant? It's at

45:56

the Indianapolis Zoo. It has to be.

45:58

And so the challenge actually isn't getting

46:00

an elephant. The challenge is getting a

46:02

refrigerator into the elephant enclosure, which I

46:04

suspect will make me the enemy of

46:06

certain monkey priests. Yeah,

46:11

you're like, look, I'm John Greed. You know who

46:13

I am. I

46:15

have a hit podcast, okay? I have

46:17

a podcast and we need to know.

46:21

We need to know. And also we're gonna,

46:23

I used to have you heard. I used to

46:25

have followers on a website called Twitter. Can you

46:27

remember Twitter? I was on it and I was

46:29

big. No, I would say,

46:31

have you heard of Apple podcasts, the

46:33

app? Have you ever

46:35

been on their top charts? Have you

46:38

ever gone to the society and culture section? Have

46:40

you ever scrolled down to number 173? That's

46:44

me. That's

46:47

me. That's who I am. Someday,

46:49

I'm gonna die in the sound and

46:51

they're gonna bury me on top of

46:53

the guy who's on top of the hill. That's

46:57

who I am and I'm gonna be buried

46:59

inside of that elephant. I

47:04

don't know how we're gonna make it happen, but

47:07

it might be today because I'm

47:10

here to make mistakes. Did I tell

47:12

you that I made that joke to

47:14

somebody who worked at Crown Hill and it bombed?

47:17

Oh no. Jokes

47:20

are context dependent and I was like, yeah,

47:23

you know, I've always just wanted to be buried right

47:25

on top of James Wyckham Riley here at the very

47:27

top of Crown Hill just so that I could be

47:29

the writer on top of all the other writers in

47:31

Indianapolis. And they were like, um, no,

47:33

that's just, that's not gonna happen. James

47:36

Wyckham Riley is here at the top of Crown Hill.

47:38

He wrote Little Orphan Annie. Yeah,

47:41

they're used to fielding weird

47:43

requests from rich guys. That's

47:46

what that tells me. That's

47:48

true. They're like, we would make that work if we

47:50

could. Right, yeah. You have to be

47:52

buried just below, but you can have a mausoleum

47:55

with a weird leprechaun stained glass window in the

47:57

back of it. That's true, but I'll tell you

47:59

what. I have abs if I'm not getting buried

48:01

above James would come Riley. I have no interest

48:03

being on that hill I've

48:05

got no interest being like 30 feet below James

48:07

would come really know put me with the people

48:10

Give me the G in the valley. Oh Man

48:15

I Didn't think what

48:17

question at the beginning of of vlogbrothers I

48:19

thought I definitely wanted to be turned into

48:22

ashes and sprinkled into a river But recently

48:24

I did I have reason

48:26

to write down what I wanted things What

48:28

wanted to be done with my dead body and I was

48:30

like I want a headstone Yeah,

48:33

well that's it First

48:35

off that is also exactly what I say. I

48:37

say I don't really care I just I do

48:39

want a headstone though because I found it very

48:41

helpful to be able to visit like My

48:44

relatives headstones like it's something that I just like

48:46

doing and I don't know I like cleaning them

48:48

up and everything but But

48:52

it's I did I did think

48:54

like when you got diagnosed with cancer.

48:56

I did think like Well,

48:58

I mean, you know I put all that work

49:00

into getting him to sign a will and now I bet he's

49:02

like super motivated to make sure it's all buttoned

49:05

up Yeah, we'll all

49:07

set John. I bet I

49:09

bet I'm glad Sorry about the

49:11

circumstances I'm

49:16

all good. I don't know if you got I don't

49:18

think I've said it on vlogbrothers and like look I

49:20

don't know what you guys listen to but I just

49:23

had my my follow-up PET scan. I remain Cancer

49:25

free. I've got about two years of

49:29

Mild risk of relapse followed by

49:31

three years of very low risk

49:34

of relapse followed by ideally Several

49:37

more decades of basically zero

49:39

risk of relapse, right? right,

49:42

so This was

49:44

a very good scan. This was as good as

49:46

a scan as you could possibly have. Yeah,

49:49

it's complete remission and now it's a

49:51

confirmation of that complete remission and And

49:55

my doctor as I was leaving he patted me on the back

49:57

and he said congrats. I'm being done So

50:00

that's that's like what I feel like what you need

50:02

to know my doctor said I was done. Yeah Yeah,

50:07

and so that's part of

50:09

the reason we're able to make these jokes. Yeah I

50:13

mean actually to be fair we would

50:16

make them anyway, but we would make them in private

50:23

We were definitely making some jokes in

50:25

private this summer but those

50:28

were private jokes I

50:31

Yeah, god, oh, I never want to have a

50:34

year like this again, and I'm sure you don't

50:36

either I keep saying to Sarah like this was

50:38

the worst year of my life, and I didn't

50:40

even have cancer I

50:44

think you would I handled it Okay

50:47

Yeah, no, I'm just saying that like

50:49

of the of the brotherly experiences of

50:51

the two experiences one unexpectedly

50:53

becoming the CEO of a Media

50:56

company and the other unexpectedly getting

50:59

cancer like there is a preferable

51:01

option. Yeah That's all

51:03

I'm saying I'm not

51:05

trying to listen. I'm not trying to minimize my suffering Hank

51:07

one thing about me is I never do and

51:09

thank you for doing that Well,

51:12

thank you for doing all

51:14

of the the the therapy and

51:16

treatment and everything else. Listen, listen, listen

51:20

Yeah There

51:23

is one shining bright light to this year

51:27

This difficult year this year of Troubles

51:31

and hardship and loss

51:34

and fear and

51:36

that bright shining light is named

51:38

Ali al-hamidi. No, my god my god My

51:43

god, I love watching that man play football and I

51:45

just hope I get to do it for the rest

51:47

of this season We got a

51:50

note Hank from a couple of listeners to

51:52

deer Hank and John who said as American

51:54

Nerdfighters traveling to England My husband and I

51:56

of course had to attend the AFC Wimbledon

51:58

game last Saturday against Nazis County. It

52:01

was excellent. The beginning was terrifying, of course, because

52:03

Wimbledon got ahead and we all know how that

52:05

ends. But

52:07

by the end of the game, with those

52:09

lovely penalty kick goals, one goal that confused

52:11

everyone, and a breakaway that toppled all of

52:14

our breakaway dreams, we have some thoughts to

52:16

share. The main thoughts are

52:18

that Wimbledon won 4-2 and about

52:21

this new defender whose thighs make us all question

52:23

our own eyesight. He seems nervous to make a

52:25

mistake in his new job because every time he

52:27

gets the ball he clears it with an impressive

52:29

header or kick. But without any thought, yeah, no,

52:31

welcome to League 2, Bethy

52:34

and Burley. That's fourth-tier

52:37

football. If you're a defender and the ball

52:39

comes to you, you need to get that

52:41

ball to somewhere else very

52:43

far away, the furthest away that you can

52:45

get it. And that's what Joe Lewis is

52:47

great at and that's part of why I

52:50

love him so much. So listen, Hank, we're

52:52

good. Wimbledon are good.

52:55

I don't know how good we are yet and I don't

52:57

know if we'll hold on to our two best players, Jack

52:59

Curry and Ali Al Hamadi, over

53:01

the January transfer window that's about to

53:03

begin. But right now, we are good.

53:05

We just beat Swindon Town 4-0. We

53:08

beat Gillingham 1-0. We beat Knott's County, one

53:10

of the best teams in League

53:13

2, 4-2. I

53:15

forgot that we actually lost to Gillingham or Gillingham, but

53:17

it doesn't matter. That's Gillingham or Gillingham. Doesn't count. But

53:20

we beat Knott's County, one of the best teams

53:22

in the league. We beat Swindon Town, one of

53:24

the best teams in the league. And we're beating

53:26

these teams handily. We are in seventh place, which

53:28

is a playoff position. Not only are we in

53:30

seventh place, more importantly,

53:32

from my perspective, we're 16 points

53:35

clear of the relegation zone

53:37

after just 20 games. This

53:39

is incredible what's happening right

53:41

now. Something, even though we

53:43

have the 16th or 17th

53:45

largest playing budget in League 2,

53:47

somehow we are up with the

53:49

big boys. We're up there in

53:51

the heady heights of Reksom and

53:54

Knott's County and Mansfield Town and

53:56

Stockport. It's very exciting. We're

53:58

six places above the franchise. currently

54:00

applying its trade in Milton Keynes. All

54:03

thrilling stuff. That's

54:05

very exciting, John. I got so caught up in

54:08

it, I didn't even open up my Mars News.

54:10

I'll go on while you look for the Mars

54:12

News. Ali Alhamdi, I think he's

54:15

scored and assisted more goals in

54:17

League Two than any

54:19

other player. He's 21

54:22

years old. I

54:24

know it's almost impossible that we're going to hold on to him

54:26

in January. I know that the big clubs are going to come

54:28

calling that they're going to have a million

54:31

pounds to spend. I know that we've got a

54:33

lot of debt to pay off on our stadium,

54:35

and I know that it's a complicated situation, but

54:37

I just hope we can hold on to him.

54:39

Correct me if I'm wrong, John, because I very

54:41

well might be. But it seems like we spend

54:43

a lot of time talking about those boys who

54:46

score goals, but that's not the only people who

54:48

are important on the team. You've got to have

54:50

some good defenders, right? You've got to have a

54:52

good goalie. Sure, sure. Remember last season? When

54:55

we lost our best player in January, and

54:58

then we lost the guy who scored goals, and then

55:00

we didn't score any goals. It turns out that you

55:03

don't win a lot of football games when you don't

55:05

score any goals. Scoring goals is hard. You do need

55:07

everybody, and we've got an amazing midfield right now. In

55:09

fact, Armani Little, one of our midfielders, scored a Premier

55:11

League quality goal from 30 yards out

55:15

against Swinton. So I don't know. It's

55:17

a special team right now. Our captain,

55:19

Jake Reeves, he's got great energy.

55:21

We've got some great songs. I feel like

55:23

the quality of songs among the fans has

55:26

never been better. When

55:29

I went to the away ... I probably shouldn't

55:31

say this, but I thought it was pretty funny. When I

55:33

went to the away game in Mansfield, at

55:35

the end of the game, the Wimbledon fans sang,

55:37

we get to go home, we get to go

55:40

home. You have to live here. We

55:42

get to go home. Oh, no. Oh,

55:48

boy. No, please don't

55:50

cause riots. Please football fans.

55:54

No, I think Mansfield knows. What's going on in Mars? On

55:58

Mars, can you guess for me how you

56:00

think the perseverance rover has been on

56:02

the surface of Mars? Oh, a long

56:05

time. Like since way before you had

56:07

cancer, which is my main demarcation point

56:09

in the last couple decades.

56:12

There was when I got dumped my senior year

56:15

of college and then there was when you got

56:17

cancer and not that much happened other than that.

56:20

Gosh, has it

56:22

been three? It

56:26

was around the time of the pandemic, right?

56:28

Because I remember saying like perseverance. Yeah. Three

56:30

years, it's been a

56:32

thousand days, which is about a

56:34

thousand days. A thousand days. Well,

56:37

it's been a thousand Martian days.

56:39

I read now that I am

56:41

paying attention, which is very slightly

56:43

longer than a thousand Earth days.

56:47

It's like the 12 ounces as compared to the 12.5 ounces.

56:53

Yeah, Martian days is like one

56:55

day of 45 minutes. It's

56:57

very weird that we have very similar days. Yeah,

56:59

it is strange. But it landed in February of

57:01

2021. Yeah. So that's 2020. 2020. That's

57:11

not it was into the pandemic and

57:13

that whole thousand days it's been busy.

57:15

It's called the 23 samples. It

57:18

studied those samples using its onboard

57:20

instruments. It's got all kinds of

57:22

different weird ways to shine different

57:24

lights and wavelengths and particles that

57:26

they didn't do with some onboard

57:29

chemistry. I imagine it like

57:31

sniffing and being like. It does some

57:33

sniffing, yeah. Yeah. Sending word back like,

57:35

ah, smells metallic. And

57:38

they're using the samples to piece

57:40

together the history of Jezero Crater.

57:42

Very cool, very weird. What

57:45

it was like back when it was an ancient

57:47

lake bed. I guess it wasn't ancient back then.

57:49

And it's going to continue exploring that

57:52

crater, doing more insights and seeing what

57:54

the area once looked like, including searching

57:56

for possible signs of ancient microbes that

57:58

might have once lived there. It's

58:01

so wonder- like back

58:03

in my day when I was a kid they put

58:06

these rovers on Mars and they'd be like it's probably

58:08

gonna last for a week. It's gonna be out

58:10

there for a whole week. Yeah,

58:13

no and that was that was a

58:15

big win. Yeah, and now we got like

58:17

it's just like I'm up I'm up. What's up? What's

58:19

going on? Give me a coffee. I can do this.

58:21

I can do I can

58:23

make it another day boss. I

58:26

can do it. Yeah, the

58:28

perseverance is just like a like a

58:30

minivan rolling around just on the surface just doing

58:32

stuff It's so beautiful and the fact that it's

58:34

been a thousand days just reminds reminds me that

58:37

like there will be another thousand days And a

58:39

thousand days from now We

58:41

will be in a different world. It will be

58:43

worse in some ways. It'll be better in some

58:45

ways It's utterly unknowable to us, but

58:49

But I hope we're here to see it John

58:52

how long do you think curiosity is done on

58:54

Mars? It's still operating. It is. Yeah still doing

58:56

its mission How long has it been

58:58

on Mars? Gosh not as not here. I was

59:00

gonna say it's almost as old as this podcast

59:04

11 years. Well, is it older than the

59:06

podcast? It might yeah. Yeah, I

59:08

think so Yeah, Wow,

59:11

that's incredible 11 years and

59:13

it's still like by the way

59:16

I don't know that I don't know that there's

59:18

a robot on earth that lasted 11 years I

59:23

Bet General Motors has some that

59:25

are just like yeah, whatever man

59:28

like Union now They

59:32

can't retire it's got tenure. Yeah,

59:35

it's got a pension. It's actually just

59:37

cheaper to keep it working Yeah,

59:41

I guess there are some 11 year old machines now

59:43

that I think about the fact that I myself own

59:45

an 11 year old machine called a car but But

59:48

I'll tell you I'll tell you what it's needed some

59:50

earth-based maintenance over that 11 years Yeah,

59:53

you think in order to be a going concern ma'am

59:56

John It's about to be

59:58

an amazing time to buy it. A New era.

1:00:00

I used electric car. There's like all

1:00:02

these different things that are making electric

1:00:04

car super cheap and in that in

1:00:06

January there's gonna be. A

1:00:09

rebate. For used electric cars and

1:00:11

not just young ones which are now

1:00:13

very exciting. Are you gonna

1:00:15

get one like on January? Third? Ah,

1:00:18

But I'm I kill him before Sam Smith split.

1:00:20

I think that first off I think he's I don't

1:00:23

have the rewriting of I make too much money. I

1:00:25

don't. Mister. Brags lots

1:00:27

is harmed I don't think he shade it's

1:00:30

I have strong feelings about this is you

1:00:32

know I think that you should get like

1:00:34

I I just I'm just gonna tell you.

1:00:37

The. Hunt A Ionic five is so much

1:00:39

better. like I also own to Chevrolet Volt

1:00:42

so I know and I loved my full.

1:00:44

And. It's great. It's a great car. On.

1:00:47

The Hunt a ionic find is so much

1:00:49

better. And it doesn't look

1:00:51

like a fancy car because it's not a fancy

1:00:53

are Not going on today? Yes! That.

1:00:56

There are still are not luxury cars but they're under

1:00:58

say an arse. They're. Fine. Imo

1:01:01

is don't read like I don't need that much

1:01:03

rains and I feel like weird having that much

1:01:05

battery if I don't need in a trance they

1:01:07

can. I get it. But

1:01:11

maybe I will need them a trance. I don't know

1:01:13

if no, they're like it's very hard to go anywhere

1:01:15

from this towns. Like. There's not a lot

1:01:17

of Chargers around. Well. No, no, it's just

1:01:19

like there's not a lot of anything around like a

1:01:22

few. Episodes

1:01:24

is there's not a lot of civilization where

1:01:26

are you going to go? Idea like is

1:01:28

like if you're gonna going three hundred miles

1:01:30

it's about the same stuff as you'd find

1:01:32

a hundred miles away. And now here I

1:01:34

don't know. Our buddy has a ah cool

1:01:36

comedy club in Helena Aura willingness on those

1:01:39

men. I've really so's mint and I would

1:01:41

like to go. I said I said go

1:01:43

and do unless you go there. That's

1:01:45

what you should do with your fancy electric car with

1:01:47

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