Meeting by chance on a plane, Katie interviews Brandy Jeffries, a stand-up comedian and actor who also works in a security prison on death row. Brandy talks about the importance of the delivery of her jokes and her calculated approach to death row prisoners, which, despite being very different job descriptions, have very similar race and gender judgments. Ultimately, through Katie’s experience with sexual assault, and Brandy’s experience with working with rapists in prison, they inspire their audience to be bold, courageous, and find their own community.

Hosts: Katie Koestner and Claire Kaplan

Editor: Benter Oluoch

Producer: Emily Wang