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Unto the episode,
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Hey it's Jake here, I just wanted
1:03
to give you a heads up that this episode
1:06
contains a detailed account of a hate
1:08
crime, a murder previously
1:19
on deep Cover.
1:22
Greig Peterson, you don't know us, but we're here.
1:24
I want to talk to you federal agents. Can
1:27
we approach you? And Craig
1:29
just looked at us and
1:32
said, I don't know what you're talking
1:34
about.
1:35
I think he says something like, yeah, we heard rumors about that
1:37
that someone said we did a homicide.
1:39
But man's now, that's nothing
1:41
to it. We didn't do any homicides. It's
1:44
a bunch of junk.
1:45
You could feel the tension, but you
1:47
can also feel like he's about to
1:49
say something, and then he says,
1:54
I'll tell you everything.
2:02
So there are Scott Duffy and
2:04
Terry Mortimer in a conference room
2:07
at the FBI's offices in Willington,
2:09
Delaware, and they're sitting
2:11
on the edge of their seats because
2:13
across the table from them is Craig Peterson,
2:16
the electrician from Vermont with the spiderweb
2:19
tattoo. Now they
2:21
suspect that Craig was an accomplice to a
2:23
murder. For months, Craig had been playing
2:25
at cool, admitting to nothing. But
2:28
now in this conference room, Craig
2:31
has promised to tell them everything.
2:34
It was a moment that I think
2:37
of everything that Terry
2:39
and I had been through, had prayed
2:41
through, and
2:45
this was the moment in time. This
2:48
was it. It was almost like, this
2:51
is the reason why
2:53
you were brought together.
2:56
Mind you, this moment, it wasn't
2:58
just the result of good luck. Two
3:00
days prior, Scott and Terry had
3:03
played their best and last card.
3:05
They had handed Craig a subpoena to appear
3:08
before a grand jury. They
3:10
were hoping that this would get him talking. It
3:13
was a long shot.
3:13
Really.
3:14
Truth was, the Feds had very
3:17
little on Craig, but Craig
3:20
he offered to tell them everything.
3:22
Before he did, however, he
3:24
made a request.
3:26
He says, I need to have assurances,
3:30
and we said what type of assurances?
3:33
Well, you have a prosecutor on board.
3:36
Can you call the prosecutor? Absolutely, we can call
3:38
the prosecutor. But
3:42
Greg, you gotta I
3:44
can't just call a prosecutor over here and waste
3:46
his time. You've
3:49
got to tell us what is it
3:51
we're asking the prosecutor to come for. And
3:55
that's when he
3:57
says, I'm not the shooter and
4:02
I want immunity.
4:06
Upon hearing this, Scott's partner
4:08
Terry, kind of sat up in his chair.
4:12
Now I'm thinking myself, this dude's
4:14
pretty savvy. Dude thinking like
4:16
attorneys talk about immunity, Federal agents talk
4:18
about immunity. Not the
4:20
electricians from Earl and Tim Vermont
4:23
get like, where did you get that from? That's
4:25
what he said, I want immunity.
4:27
Now, Typically giving someone immunity
4:30
is not a quick or easy task, especially
4:33
in a situation like this where
4:35
someone's been murdered. Getting
4:37
all the higher ups to sign off can take
4:39
days or longer, but
4:41
Scott knew time was of the essence.
4:44
He needed to jump on this before Craig
4:46
changed his mind. Fortunately
4:49
he had a prosecutor on standby.
4:52
Prosecutor dropped
4:54
everything, ran to my office. We
4:57
spoke with him briefly, saying, in
4:59
so many words, he's confessed and
5:03
we don't know where to go from here. And
5:06
so he said, so
5:09
what you need is immunity? Am
5:12
I hearing that?
5:13
And Scott's like, yeah, that's exactly
5:16
what Craig is asking for. And the
5:18
prosecutor is like, I think I can
5:20
help you, guys. But first,
5:23
the prosecutor had one crucial question
5:25
and he wants to ask it directly to Craig.
5:28
So he hurries over to the conference
5:31
room.
5:32
And the first thing the prosecutor asked him very
5:34
first thing, are
5:37
you the shooter if it comes
5:39
back at all in any way that you
5:42
pulled the trigger? Deals
5:44
off, no immunity
5:46
nothing.
5:48
Craig tells them, no, I
5:51
didn't pull the trigger, wasn't me. The
5:54
prosecutor seems satisfied. He
5:56
whips out a pen and begins to write
5:58
out a grant of federal immunity.
6:01
I'm looking at Scott in one this
6:04
is unbelievable, that never.
6:06
Happens, but that's
6:08
exactly what happened.
6:10
So with that, Craig
6:13
tells us that he starts the
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Damn breaks.
6:19
Up until now, Scott and Terry had
6:21
been going on a prayer, quite literally,
6:24
chasing down rumors and nothing more.
6:27
But that was about to change.
6:30
A confession was at hand, one
6:32
that would validate Scott and Terry's hope
6:35
that they were uncovering something they were
6:37
destined to find. Ultimately,
6:39
this confession would upend many people's
6:42
lives. It would transform
6:44
a whispered rumor into a full blown
6:46
murder investigation, and maybe,
6:49
just maybe it could lead them to the victim.
7:05
I'm Jake Alpern and this is Deep
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Cover, Season four, The
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Nameless Man, Episode
7:24
two, The Confession. After
7:37
the Damn Breaks, Craig just starts
7:39
talking, recounting what he could remember
7:41
from that night back in nineteen eighty nine
7:44
when he and tom Guybison were
7:46
still in high school.
7:48
And so he starts telling us how it went down. That
7:50
basically that he and Tommy
7:53
decided one night to go
7:55
and find a black man, to
7:58
kill that black man so that they
8:00
could get their spider web tattoos as
8:03
skinheads.
8:04
Craig tells them. They borrowed his mother's
8:07
car, a gray Chevy. Craig
8:10
drove, Tom was in the passenger seat.
8:13
They'd gotten their hands on a gun, a thirty
8:15
eight caliber Revolver, and they
8:17
started looking for a target.
8:19
All of this, by the way, and what I'm about to
8:21
tell you, is based on Scott and Terry's
8:24
recollections and the report
8:26
that they filed at the time, and also
8:28
from sworn testimony that Scott, Terry,
8:31
and Craig later provided. Anyway,
8:34
Initially, Craig and Tom drove through Wilmington,
8:37
Delaware, where they lived.
8:41
He said it was very busy. He said,
8:43
there were just so many people out and
8:45
there would be no way that they would be able to
8:47
shoot somebody and not have a witness around.
8:50
So they made the decision to leave Wilmington
8:53
and travel north.
8:55
They drove north on the Interstate until
8:57
they reached Philadelphia. Here,
8:59
they got off at the Broad Street exit.
9:02
By now it was late. Craig wasn't
9:04
sure exactly how late, but the
9:06
streets were mostly empty. Craig
9:09
said. At one point they stopped and stole
9:11
a license plate to put on his mom's
9:14
car as an added measure of protection,
9:17
just in case someone witnessed what they were
9:19
about to do. At
9:21
some point, they passed a large wall, and
9:23
eventually they turned onto a one way street.
9:27
Craig's driving, and they drive down a very dark
9:29
street, and Tommy is
9:31
in the passenger side, and he
9:34
tells Craig slowed down, slowed
9:36
down.
9:36
Slowed down, because up ahead they
9:38
saw a pedestrian, a lone black
9:41
man, as
9:43
Craig recounted it, the man turned
9:45
and started walking toward them.
9:48
Tommy pulled out a thirty eight caliber
9:50
revolver, leaned out
9:52
the window and shot
9:55
him and exclaimed,
9:58
I got him right between the eyes.
10:01
The way Craig remembered is the
10:03
guy hit the ground so hard that
10:08
he I had to be dead.
10:11
Craig said that even all these
10:13
years later, he still remembered the
10:15
sound of that thud as the man
10:17
fell onto the pavement.
10:27
And that was it.
10:29
These two high school kids, with their
10:31
gun and their mom's car sped
10:34
off into the night, back home to
10:36
Delaware. So
10:41
far, this entire investigation
10:43
had been based on a rumor, a
10:46
rumor that initially seemed like
10:48
it might be impossible to verify the
10:50
two teenagers drove into a nearby
10:53
city to murder a complete stranger
10:55
because of the color of his skin, and
10:58
that they'd commemorated this murder with
11:00
a tattoo. It
11:05
was the kind of story that you didn't want to believe
11:07
in, because if it were
11:09
true, what did that say about us
11:11
as human beings? About our capacity
11:14
for hate and cold bloodedness?
11:17
In a way, the veracity of this
11:19
rumor was about more than just one
11:21
murder. It seemed like a
11:23
test, a light meter that would
11:25
measure just how dark the depths of humanity
11:28
could be. It
11:30
all hinged on a single question, could
11:33
these kids really have done this? And
11:36
in a situation like this, you
11:38
almost have to hope, maybe even pray,
11:40
that the answer is no, because
11:42
then the world isn't so bad, right.
11:46
But if the answer is yes, they
11:48
really did this, well,
11:50
then the depths are darker
11:53
than most of us would care to admit. As
12:02
Craig recounted the details of the murder
12:04
in that FBI conference room, Scott
12:07
listened intently. If you
12:09
recall, Scott had trained to become a priest
12:12
back then, sometimes people would notice
12:14
his priest's collar and just start talking,
12:17
sharing their darkest secrets. So
12:20
Scott he was comfortable in this
12:22
role as the confessor. He knew
12:24
how to listen, how to watch, which
12:26
is exactly what he did as Craig
12:28
spoke.
12:30
And when when you watch somebody
12:32
tell the story,
12:35
you can tell that they are just reliving
12:39
it, that they were there. It was
12:42
just amazing to
12:44
watch, because that's all I'm doing, is watching
12:46
him.
12:48
Craig's confession raised so many questions
12:50
for Scott and Terry, like why
12:52
would Craig, the steadfast sidekick,
12:55
turn on his old friend now because
12:58
in the past Craig had been very
13:00
loyal, Like a few years back,
13:03
Craig had tried to protect Tom from the authorities
13:05
by storing some weapons for him, weapons
13:08
that Tom wasn't supposed to have. Craig
13:10
paid for this, did a few years in prison
13:12
in fact, so maybe he
13:15
was willing to talk now just to avoid
13:17
a repeat of that. Craig
13:19
got out of federal prison in nineteen ninety
13:21
nine. A few years later he
13:24
moved north to Vermont, to that house
13:26
in the mountains with the dogs and the
13:28
floodlights. Bottom line,
13:31
it seemed like Craig had made a decision to
13:33
escape his old life and maybe
13:35
to escape Tom too, I
13:38
should mention. We reached out to both
13:40
Craig and Tom for this story.
13:43
Craig declined an interview. We never
13:45
heard back from Tom, but
13:48
here's what we can say about Tom. He
13:50
had a long and well documented history
13:53
of violence. As a teenager,
13:55
he'd been convicted of reckless endangerment
13:58
after he shot a gun at a moving car
14:00
full of people. Police
14:02
records from the time confirmed that Tom
14:05
had an arsenal of weapons, including
14:07
a billy club, two blocks, black jacks,
14:10
two sets of brass knuckles, and a
14:12
mess of knives. To put
14:14
it plainly, Tom seemed like the kind of friend
14:16
that you might not want to anger by
14:19
turning on him.
14:20
We believed
14:24
that a
14:27
real danger existed. There
14:29
is a very real potential
14:32
of danger against Craig. People
14:35
will go to great lengths to
14:37
protect their their self
14:39
interests, but.
14:42
At this point there was no turning
14:44
back for Craig. More
14:47
after the break, Scott
15:04
and Terry now had a confession, which
15:07
under normal circumstances would be
15:09
a very big deal, potentially a
15:11
game changer, and in some
15:13
ways the confession was very promising.
15:16
Craig were called some details, like
15:18
the moment of the actual shooting vividly
15:21
in a way that might be very persuasive
15:23
for a jury. The problem
15:25
was the alleged murder took place more
15:28
than seventeen years prior, and
15:30
there was so much that Craig did not remember.
15:33
For instance, he couldn't tell the FEDS
15:35
where exactly this happened. He
15:37
couldn't provide the name of a street or
15:40
intersection or park, nor
15:42
could he tell them exactly when this happened,
15:45
could not offer a day, or a week or even
15:47
a month. Most vexing of all,
15:50
Craig had no idea who the victim was. And
15:53
this right here underscored
15:55
the central problem that Scott and Terry
15:57
had been facing from the very beginning. Simply
16:00
put, they didn't have a body.
16:04
They were trying to solve the murder of an unknown
16:06
man, and without knowing who
16:08
he was, they couldn't
16:10
do much of anything. But
16:13
Scott remained determined, we.
16:16
Have to do our job and we have
16:18
to find out who
16:21
did they kill. If if possible,
16:24
how are we going to do that? It then felt
16:27
like a mandate, like Okay,
16:30
we're we're in this.
16:33
This sounds awfully confident, But both
16:36
Scott and Terry told me that they felt on
16:38
some level like they were trying to find a needle
16:40
in a haystack. They both use that
16:43
exact phrase, which raises
16:45
the question, how do you find a needle
16:47
in a haystack? Well, in
16:49
theory, you start by sorting through all
16:52
the pieces of hay right. In other words,
16:54
you create a finite pool of possibilities.
16:59
So let's talk about the finite the things
17:01
Craig knew or claim to know with
17:03
some certainty. Craig knew the
17:05
murder took place sometime around the spring
17:07
of nineteen eighty nine. He remember this
17:10
in part because he recalled going to senior
17:12
prom not long after the murder took place.
17:16
So the agents had a year nineteen
17:19
eighty nine, and they had a city,
17:21
Philadelphia, And for whatever
17:23
it was worth, Craig had mentioned a one
17:26
way street and a dark colored wall.
17:29
According to police accounts, there were
17:31
four hundred and seventy three murders in
17:33
Philadelphia that year. So
17:35
in theory, one of those murder victims
17:38
was their nameless man. But
17:40
which one
17:44
turns out, our federal agents they
17:46
had an ace up their sleeve. Scott
17:48
knew someone, someone he believed could really
17:51
help them, a detective who worked
17:53
in the homicide unit of the Philadelphia
17:55
Police Department, a veteran investigator
17:58
named Leon Lubieski went
18:00
by Lubi for short. Scott
18:04
gave me a very vivid picture of
18:06
what Luby looked like.
18:09
Large physical stature, Like when you hear
18:11
a bear, you think of a
18:13
bear, and you know, scary
18:15
or cuddly. I mean, bear
18:18
has many different views
18:21
depending on who you ask, right, but
18:24
nobody will ever deny
18:26
the fact that a bear is big.
18:28
And you can't argue with Scott on that one.
18:32
When you saw him, you perked
18:34
up and you're like, oh, he's not somebody
18:37
to fool around with.
18:39
But apparently Luby also had
18:41
this other aspect.
18:43
He had the face of someone
18:46
who is just extremely caring.
18:50
You just looked at him, you knew immediately
18:53
this is somebody who will do anything to help
18:55
you. So he was a multifaceted bear,
18:58
multifaceted cuddly,
19:00
but he could turn grizzly if
19:03
he needed to. Scott's hope
19:05
was that his old friend Lubi, the multifaceted
19:08
bear, could now help them find
19:10
the victim.
19:21
Hello, Hey, is this Louby.
19:24
It's Louby Louby. This is
19:26
Jake, is this still a good time to talk to you? Yeah,
19:29
it's scrip time.
19:31
It took me a while to track Luby down.
19:33
He's retired now. When
19:35
we spoke, he remembered the case
19:37
right away.
19:39
They had these details, but
19:42
they didn't actually have a body to
19:44
go with it. How unusual is
19:46
that to have someone
19:48
say, hey, we we're
19:50
pretty certain there's a murder, we have a confession.
19:52
We just we got no body. That's
19:57
rather unusual.
19:59
Scott had passed along a short list of
20:01
facts to Luby to help him with his
20:03
task. They included the following
20:06
one the area where Craig remembered
20:08
drive, two the type of
20:10
weapon that was used, three the
20:13
nature of the wound, a single shot to
20:15
the head for the race of
20:17
the victim, and five a general
20:19
timeframe for when this happened, the
20:21
spring of nineteen eighty nine. How
20:25
optimistic were you that you were going to
20:27
be able to get them what
20:29
they needed to solve this.
20:33
I was actually
20:35
very optimistic because we keep pretty
20:37
good records on our dead bodies.
20:40
For Scott and Terry, this was a search
20:42
for a needle in a haystack. But Louby
20:45
was an insider who knew how things worked
20:47
in Philly and knew exactly
20:49
where to look. As far
20:51
as the records go. The authorities
20:54
believed this murder case would
20:56
have been marked as unsolved. It happened
20:58
back in nineteen eighty nine, and Luby
21:00
was getting this request seventeen years
21:03
later in the spring of two thousand
21:05
and six.
21:07
So what happens with a case when it goes up
21:09
solved, Well, it stays
21:11
with the assigned detective, and
21:14
that he gets a chance, he goes out and works
21:16
on it in between things. If
21:19
he doesn't, it just lays there, becomes
21:21
cold.
21:22
Basically, the file just sits there
21:24
in a file cabinet in the homicide
21:26
department.
21:27
Homicides just want one
21:30
big room, and there's file cabinets
21:32
all along the walls, and
21:34
in those file cabinets are the open cases.
21:38
And then they move from into storage.
21:40
Luby told me that typically after
21:42
a few years, the unsolved case files
21:45
are sent to the city's storage facility,
21:47
a big ten story building. The
21:50
homicide files are kept down in
21:52
the basement.
21:53
And when that happens, the assigned detective
21:55
he no longer it's
21:58
a bit of a problem for him to get to his case.
22:00
File now, so is
22:02
it kind of a little bit out of sight,
22:04
out of mind.
22:05
And basically once it goes
22:07
into storage, like the supervisor doesn't
22:10
bother you anymore to get anything done on it.
22:13
So it's like in limbo.
22:16
As far as I could tell, these cold cases
22:18
kept down in the basement, kind of like
22:20
the messages at the very bottom of your
22:22
inbox that slowly recede
22:24
from your consciousness and eventually
22:27
get moved into some folder that you'll
22:29
most likely never look at again. So
22:33
when Luby got the call from Scott and Terry,
22:36
he didn't have the actual case files from nineteen
22:38
eighty nine right at his fingertips. What
22:41
he had was a loosely finder
22:43
an index of all the murders from
22:45
the past. This index
22:48
was a collection of so called summary
22:50
sheets.
22:51
It's a single page. It's got the deceased
22:53
name, cause death. You
22:56
know what the outcome is, It's still open.
23:00
Thanks to that nature, Louby
23:03
searches through these summary sheets and
23:05
narrows the possibilities down to unsolve
23:07
murders that occurred around the spring
23:10
anywhere from January through May.
23:13
There were thirty seven of them. Then
23:15
he weeded out all the ones that didn't match
23:18
up with the details that Scott had given him.
23:21
In the end, Luby was left with
23:23
just one case, an unsolved
23:26
murder from April sixteenth, nineteen
23:28
eighty nine, of a thirty three year old
23:30
black man. He was
23:32
killed by a single thirty eight caliber
23:35
bullet to the head. This
23:38
happened in North Philadelphia on a
23:40
one way street, just one block away
23:43
from an imposing stone wall.
23:47
Louby made arrangements to get the entire
23:49
case file pulled out of storage
23:52
unearthed from that basement, and
23:54
then he reached back out to Scott
23:57
Louby facts the summary sheet directly
23:59
over to the FBI's offices in Wilmington,
24:02
Delaware. It was an efficient
24:04
bit of detective work. He'd done
24:06
all of this in roughly twenty four hours.
24:09
So you can imagine Scott's
24:12
reaction when, just a day
24:14
after getting Craig's confession of
24:16
facts arrives from Luby and
24:19
Scott. He just holds it
24:21
in his hands and stares
24:23
at it.
24:24
It was.
24:27
Unbelievable feeling
24:30
that this is it. Seeing the
24:32
name and
24:36
seeing the the specifics
24:40
of the crime, having
24:42
a location a street,
24:49
I don't even think I put it down. It was this
24:54
is it.
24:57
Wait, how could you be so certain?
24:58
I don't know. I just felt
25:01
like everything
25:04
that Craig told us
25:10
fit this very crime.
25:12
And so much of it did seem to fit,
25:15
including the time frame, the one
25:17
way street, the proximity of the
25:19
wall, the caliber of the bullet,
25:21
the single shot to the head. The
25:24
motive noted on the facts was one word
25:27
drugs. Objectively,
25:29
at this point you could not say it was a
25:31
slam dunk. There was no DNA
25:34
match. No one had found a murder
25:36
weapon and matched it to a bullet from
25:38
the scene of the crime. None of that. But
25:41
even so, Scott remembers
25:43
turning to his partner Terry, and
25:46
saying.
25:47
We have a name. We
25:49
have a victim. Terry,
25:52
I think this is This is why
25:54
we're here. We believe
25:56
this is this
25:59
is who we've been pursuing. That
26:01
was pretty
26:04
powerful to us.
26:06
At long last, they had a name. It
26:09
was right there on the facts plane
26:11
to see, printed out in smudgy
26:13
letters, Aron Would.
26:19
They strongly believed that he
26:21
was the victim. This was a huge
26:23
moment in their investigation, and
26:25
yet it could still amount to
26:27
nothing. Identifying a potential
26:30
victim did not guarantee a conviction
26:32
or even guarantee that there'd be a trial.
26:35
Now, the question was would
26:37
there be enough evidence to bring a case
26:39
and convince a jury that this
26:42
is what happened all those years ago.
26:46
Terry and I said, it may be that
26:48
this does not ever go to a court. There
26:50
may be nothing that we can do, or Philadelphia
26:53
can do, even with Craig's
26:56
cooperation, that this is
26:58
ever going to see the inside of a court,
27:00
and letting Craig know that
27:05
this all may be just to
27:09
give Iran
27:12
Wood's family some
27:16
sense of some
27:19
sense of.
27:23
Understanding, but
27:27
a kind of terrible understanding, right.
27:30
Yeah, definitely. I just believe having
27:33
no name, having
27:37
no understanding
27:43
of how your loved one's life came
27:45
to an end, who did it and for what purpose?
27:48
I think, can drive you
27:50
mad.
27:54
As investigators would soon learn, Iran
27:57
Wood had a family, including a mother
27:59
and two younger brothers. For
28:01
seventeen years, they'd been searching for answers
28:04
about how and why he died. The
28:07
last chapter of Iran's life was
28:09
like a story that stopped abruptly mid
28:12
page. No explanation, no
28:14
closure. There have been very little
28:17
to hold on to. But
28:19
all of that was about to change.
28:25
Next time on Deep Cover.
28:27
Everybody liked him.
28:29
That's why we was baffled, like,
28:32
Oh, somebody shot a run, shot
28:34
a run. You can't na no
28:37
way, And I guess that's what pleases
28:39
the most in the beginning, couldn't
28:42
figure it out.
29:09
Deep Cover is produced by Amy Gaines
29:11
McQuaid and Jacob Smith. It's
29:14
edited by Karen Schakerji mastering
29:16
by Jake Gorsky. Our show
29:19
art was designed by Sean Carney. Original
29:21
scoring in our theme was composed
29:23
by Luis Gara, fact checking
29:25
by Arthur Gomberts. Our
29:28
story consultant was James Foreman
29:30
Jr. Special thanks to Jerry
29:32
Williams, Sarah Nix, Greta Cone,
29:34
and Jake Flanagan. I'm Jake
29:36
alber
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