0:27

Take a deep breath in

0:30

through your nose.

0:33

Hold it.

0:36

Now, release slowly

0:43

again deep

0:46

in heale, hold

0:55

release, repeating

1:02

internally to yourself as

1:04

you connect to my voice.

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I am deeply, deeply

1:10

well. I

1:15

I am deeply

1:17

well. I

1:23

am deeply.

1:26

Well.

1:30

I'm Debbie Brown and

1:32

this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

1:42

Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft

1:44

place to land on your journey. A

1:47

podcast for those that are curious,

1:49

creative, and ready to expand

1:51

in higher consciousness and self

1:53

care. I'm Debbie Brown. This

1:56

is where we heal, this is where we

1:58

become. Welcome back to

2:00

the show. Today's show is

2:02

going to be such a good time. I have been looking forward

2:04

to this all week. I

2:07

have one of my real life

2:09

nearest and dearest friends who also

2:12

happens to be just one of the

2:14

most brilliant thought leaders,

2:16

experts, and hearts

2:19

in this space. Today's episode

2:22

is featuring the Saudi

2:24

Simone, a spiritual revolutionary,

2:27

mystic artist, award winning

2:29

filmmaker, and the internationally

2:31

best selling author of Spiritually

2:33

Sassy Eight Radical Steps to

2:35

Activate your Innate Superpowers. He

2:38

is well known for hosting the top rated

2:40

Spiritually Sassy Show podcast

2:42

that I've been a guest on and The Big Celebrity

2:45

Detox on UK Channel four,

2:47

and for creating the Somatic Activated

2:49

Healing Saw method sas

2:52

profound expertise is rooted in

2:54

a decade of experiential Buddhist

2:56

practice, his extensive retreat experiences

2:59

in India, Nepal, and his professional

3:01

training and contemplative psychotherapy. As

3:03

a kinsenetic learner, Saw

3:05

has danced into trans States since twenty

3:08

fifteen, developing a deep understanding

3:11

of the mind body connection. This

3:13

can esthetic learning process

3:15

inspired the formulation of his unique

3:18

and critically acclaimed Somatic

3:20

activated Healing method. His

3:23

shrama informed approach is informed by

3:25

his grassroots work in orphanages, homeless

3:28

shelters and rehab centers in Indonesia,

3:30

Nepal, India and here in the

3:33

US. Sau provides support to

3:35

the patients of Cedar Sinai Hospital

3:37

as a member of the Spiritual Care Chaplain

3:39

Intern Team. Sau's remarkable

3:42

contributions to homeless youth in Venice

3:44

Beach earned him the Care Award from

3:46

the City and County of Los Angeles.

3:49

He is also a guest teacher at Columbia University.

3:52

Despite his impressive professional journey

3:54

and achievements which truly defines

3:57

saw as his courage and resilience

3:59

from a young age. His life has been marked

4:01

by battles with depression, anxiety,

4:03

and addiction, yet his unwavering

4:06

will to keep living and helping others

4:09

truly signifie his luminary

4:11

impact in the fields of spirituality

4:14

and trauma healing.

4:16

Welcome to this show, my friend.

4:19

Oh my goodness. I feel like we

4:22

should all ask someone that we love to

4:24

read our bios because I was

4:26

just sitting here, I'm like, damn, it

4:29

sounds different when Davy Brown

4:31

reads it, the Dabie Brown,

4:33

the Deabie Brown, the one that lives in my heart.

4:35

Like it's just it was like a motherly energy,

4:38

affirmed and celebrated. It was like life

4:40

giving to hear you reading my

4:42

BIB. Sometimes I feel so awkward, you

4:45

know, hearing it before coming to stage

4:47

or podcast and hearing you today was

4:49

like, Oh, that should be a practice

4:52

that we offer each other as good friends.

4:54

You know how absolutely beautiful

4:57

and just like you're

5:00

observation and you're noticing of that is

5:02

really special to me. I

5:05

feel really seen in terms of

5:07

a professional and a person and a heart

5:09

because when I read bios, we

5:13

should be having reverence for the people

5:15

that we have on our shows. We should be having reverence

5:17

for the people in front of us, especially if

5:19

we are given insight into their lives.

5:22

And also, your life is so beautiful and

5:24

so impactful and it should be

5:26

spoken to in that way. And I

5:28

know for myself, And I just have to say, everybody

5:31

listening, your girl got another cold

5:33

from her five year old.

5:34

So sorry, my voice.

5:36

Is gonna sound very in and out

5:38

this whole episode. But you know, one

5:40

of the things that is interesting to

5:43

me when I go on shows, and

5:45

I want to preface this by saying, like I know, podcasting

5:47

absolutely is a massive, massive

5:51

industry, and for a lot of people, it's

5:53

just kind of what you do and for work,

5:55

and so you go in, you go out, you get it done, you

5:57

go But I will

5:59

say something that

6:01

is a challenge for me when I go on other

6:03

shows that kind of just

6:06

have people come in and out, in and out, in and out and

6:08

don't get to aren't

6:10

necessarily connected to the person in front of them.

6:13

Is they just read through like

6:15

your lived experience without

6:18

retaining any of what they're saying, and

6:20

they read through it just like it's like a magazine.

6:23

You know, and it's like, wait a minute, if we're

6:25

going to talk about like your

6:27

work, if we're going to talk about your life's

6:30

work, if we're going to talk about this incredible

6:32

offering that we'll be sharing, which is your new book

6:34

Spiritually, we I need people

6:37

to understand who and why

6:40

you are and.

6:42

That's a big part of it.

6:43

So thank you, thank you.

6:47

Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to have you

6:49

here. So you, I mean, I have

6:51

a lot of reverence for pretty much every single

6:54

guest that comes on this show, but you and I

6:56

have a very special friendship that

6:58

I treasure so deeply. You

7:00

know, I know more than

7:02

likely so many people listening to this episode

7:05

also follow you and all of your work and

7:07

your platforms, and so

7:10

you know, you share yourself really

7:13

fully, Like you really give

7:16

people this deep

7:18

look at the way you live your teachings

7:21

by the way that you share. So I'm curious

7:23

for those listening, like if you would just share where

7:25

are you in this moment and

7:28

your spiritual experience and

7:30

what does the walk feel like for you right now?

7:33

You caught me on that monthly

7:36

existential crisis THEACE,

7:38

so I'm there. It's like it has a Halo,

7:41

and I'm I mean the day two of it.

7:43

It started yesterday while

7:46

like the morning of me doing

7:48

my book launch at Barnes and know what the growth

7:52

having to be like present in front of

7:54

the audience, friends, fans.

7:56

It was like an amazing thing. And I was very

7:58

honest about the fact that I'm in that monthly

8:01

reoccurring experience

8:04

where I just, for like three days out of every month,

8:06

I question everything I'm doing. I question

8:08

myself. I questioned the path and

8:10

then the where I bounced to is

8:13

like, Okay, I'm done. I think I'm going to move back to India

8:15

and shave my head and become a monk. This is

8:18

my scape. Route is always leaning

8:20

towards towards that. So today I'm

8:22

in that space where I

8:24

love my life and I

8:26

love the work I'm doing, and I love

8:28

my friends here, and I'm

8:31

in that day too of it where I'm

8:33

like, m what the fuck is the point? My

8:35

mom is dead? What is the

8:38

gig? What is this human gig that mothers

8:40

die? You know? So

8:43

I'm there, and also I'm

8:46

also here and just so grateful

8:48

to be sitting across you launching

8:51

this amazing book that I'm so fucking proud

8:53

of I feel like I

8:54

am. I feel

8:57

like I qualify to write

8:59

this book because through the

9:01

hardships that I've gone through in my life, I

9:03

was taken care of the

9:07

breakup, pandemic,

9:10

mother dying, three really hard

9:12

things. And each

9:14

of these experiences I had people

9:17

not only to pick me up, but

9:19

to inspire me.

9:20

Yeah.

9:21

You know, That's when I knew. I was like, Okay, cool, So

9:23

this book is not just conception. It's not me just

9:26

wanted to learn about a topic, wanted

9:28

to speak about a topic. It wasn't like an

9:30

aploration. It was like, I do

9:33

have these friendships that people

9:36

want to have. I got them, and

9:38

it wasn't easy, it wasn't my default,

9:41

but I arrived there.

9:43

Yeah.

9:43

Yeah, I want to ask a question

9:46

about the first thing that you shared. And I think

9:48

that this could be really expansive

9:51

for a lot of listeners to lean into.

9:53

But you know that so

9:56

many of us.

9:57

Do you go through that like on a monthly basis?

10:00

This is an extential sort of paralysis.

10:02

Oh, your girl lives in existential crisis.

10:05

Yeah, well, you know, my entire

10:07

life, like my entire life, one hundred percent.

10:10

Absolutely, I'm always

10:12

someone who I

10:14

look at my life as this. I

10:16

committed to being here, I committed to being

10:18

alive on Earth. I'm going to stay

10:21

and I'm going to do the work that's required,

10:23

and I'm going to feel all of it.

10:25

And I'm also going.

10:26

To get the joy and the beauty of this

10:28

very unique experience

10:31

of being alive on Earth with spiritual curriculum.

10:34

And this

10:37

place is incredibly challenging to

10:39

live, you know, like Earth

10:41

is not easy. And I think this is something you and I specifically

10:44

talk to a lot, and I talk to a lot.

10:46

On this show.

10:47

But I believe in dancing

10:49

with grief and joy, and so I

10:52

also have an extremely large capacity

10:54

for discomfort and gratefully,

10:56

through my practices, I

10:59

can now move myself into the role

11:01

of being the observer, the silent witness

11:04

of a lot of that those existential

11:07

days, those days when you wonder

11:09

how humanity can operate like this, or

11:11

you, you know, think about the totality

11:14

of your life's experiences and

11:16

the weight that that actually takes on you mentally,

11:19

physically, emotionally, and spiritually.

11:22

And so I think very gratefully the way God

11:24

designed me, I can exist in

11:26

both at the same time. I can have enthusiasm

11:28

for my life, and I can also see

11:32

it really clearly and have

11:35

experiences of depression and

11:38

enthusiasm at once, which

11:40

is sometimes very strange.

11:42

But I honor

11:45

the way I'm designed and I try to lean into

11:47

it.

11:47

And then, you know, I like to have conversations

11:50

with people like you mean, you will sit on the floor

11:52

for hours or sit outside of air

11:54

on for hours. You know,

11:56

go in but that

11:58

piece that you're speaking to, that we're speaking to now

12:01

right like so many people.

12:03

Because I tend to think and I

12:05

don't want to make this a monolith

12:07

or overly generalize, but if

12:09

you're on this path of kind of being the

12:11

wounded healer, if you're on this path of finding

12:14

expertise to share with others through

12:16

your own embodiment and healing of yourself,

12:19

which so many that listen to the show are

12:22

you, that's

12:24

part of your life, This kind

12:26

of bizarre pull of

12:29

wanting to serve and then wanting to disappear

12:31

and not be perceived or just

12:34

be in your devotion privately. I

12:37

definitely, I

12:40

don't want to say struggle with that, because it's

12:42

not a struggle, this is life. But I

12:44

definitely am always an observation

12:47

of that within myself, Like I want to serve,

12:49

I want to be on the ground floor. I do,

12:51

and then I need a lot of time to

12:54

not be around anyone that is not

12:56

in my deepest, most intimate inner

12:58

circle. Sometimes I

13:00

find it challenging to post pictures on

13:03

social media because I don't want

13:05

to be seen. I don't want to be perceived

13:07

all the time. I want to live my life. I want

13:09

to do my good work. I want to love, and

13:12

I don't want to always have to make it available

13:15

to be consumed. So that's like my

13:18

personal way that I relate.

13:20

But amen, how does when

13:22

you say like you know and you especially

13:24

my goodness you have And

13:28

I know people that follow you know this, But

13:30

I'm certain that people that maybe just

13:32

catch a quick bite of you could

13:35

never fully understand how

13:37

devotional you are, how

13:40

deeply authentically you

13:43

are connected to

13:45

the spiritual path, to the ancientness of

13:47

the spiritual path. So you are someone that will

13:50

disappear four months and be in

13:52

India, just meditating, just

13:55

praying.

13:56

You went on a.

13:57

Five hundred mile walk

14:00

with your father, a pilgrimage

14:02

after your mother grief, God bless

14:05

past. You went on that grief walk, and

14:07

those are the kinds of things that like

14:09

change you at a cellular level, that

14:12

that change you in

14:14

a way that you know, like a self help

14:16

book could never you know.

14:19

And so it's like that part that

14:21

path.

14:22

So when I heard you say something earlier,

14:25

as you know, you

14:27

want to take ropes, you want to shave your head,

14:29

and you just want to be in that path. But then you

14:31

also live a very large life

14:34

here. What

14:36

does that feel like to you? What inside says

14:39

I want this right now? I don't

14:41

want this.

14:44

Tammy Simon, the founder of

14:46

Sounds True, said something so beautiful while I

14:48

was in her shoulder the other day. She says, God

14:50

has me in a really tight leash. And

14:54

I found it so profound because I feel

14:56

the same. I feel like the unseen

14:59

beings, the deities, the gods

15:01

and goddesses, the unseen forces

15:03

having a really tight leash. Anytime

15:05

I want to disappear, I am

15:08

pulled back, you know, jolted back,

15:10

dragged back to service And.

15:13

Tell me about the feeling of wanting to disappear.

15:15

Though what it's a idiation?

15:18

No, no, no, I'm way beyond that. This is like ten

15:20

years in resolution.

15:22

No, but I mean, what a life

15:24

as a monk. What is the

15:27

feeling that you long for in

15:29

that? Like, what is what is the soothingess

15:31

of that or the delight of that?

15:33

Yeah, thank you for that. It

15:35

is that. It's just having your

15:38

every day be about devotion.

15:40

Yeah, your every moment be in

15:42

connection to the unseeing forces. Your

15:45

every moment praying for the wild

15:47

being of others. Your every moment is in

15:49

devotion to the tapestry that is

15:51

unseen by the eyes but felt by the

15:53

spirit, you know, working

15:56

on that plane. You know. My therapist

15:58

reminds me often, she's like, sad, there's there

16:00

are people in caves

16:02

in Nepal And and India right now praying for

16:04

your wellbeing that you will never meet.

16:07

These saints are right now reaching the

16:09

highest of the highs peaks

16:12

of Nirvana and Samati states,

16:14

and they're praying for your wellbeing and

16:16

you to them as a total stranger, and you will

16:18

never meet them, but they're actively working

16:22

for your benefit. And

16:24

there's something so beautiful around that. For me, that's

16:26

like, how would

16:29

I what would happen to me if

16:31

I fully devoted my life to

16:34

this sort of twenty four hour cycle

16:38

of devotion Because as

16:41

much as we want to become nobody,

16:43

right, because that's the path of spirituality,

16:45

to dissolve references, to dissolve

16:48

personality, to really merge with the other,

16:50

to lose the boundaries

16:52

of where I am and where you begin to really arrive

16:55

at that plane. However,

16:57

because we live in a city like Los Angeles,

17:02

so many things lead

17:05

the way for us. Create prejudice

17:08

in people's minds, create biases on people's

17:10

minds, create stores on people's minds

17:12

about who we are, and we unconsciously

17:15

follow through their biases,

17:18

follow through their prejudice, follow through their stories.

17:20

If that makes sense. We unconsciously

17:22

resurrect old versions of ourselves

17:25

to entertain other people, because we're

17:27

master people pleasers. So I

17:30

believe that if you remove the

17:33

veil of the superintense

17:35

matrix of a city like Los Angeles,

17:38

you know, and you are in a Himalayan

17:40

monastery. I believe that some of the hardships

17:43

that I go through to dissolve my somebodiness,

17:46

to dissolve my specialness,

17:48

to dissolve my uniqueness, I

17:51

would reach that state faster

17:54

sooner. However, I say

17:56

all this with grace, because this new

17:58

book is a critical

18:00

analysis of that. It's saying

18:03

that you got to walk off the monastery

18:05

into the streets. It's saying you have to leave

18:07

the cave and you have to go to the

18:09

city, because this is where the

18:11

work lies. It's freedom is relational.

18:14

Yes, there's very

18:16

specific paths to freedom that are

18:18

in the isolated mountaintop and

18:21

they're very celebrated and they're there. However,

18:24

some say that that path may

18:26

take longer than you actually

18:28

doing this work in relationship. So

18:31

the book is a call to that, calling

18:33

us back into relationship,

18:35

calling us back into friendship, calling us back into

18:38

community. That the way to

18:40

stabilize our freedom, to develop

18:42

our presence, to develop our forgiveness,

18:44

to develop our patients,

18:47

it's in relationship. It's

18:49

one thing for you to be kind to yourself in the morning, by

18:52

yourself and your altar and the

18:54

protection of our house. It's another thing

18:56

to really develop our patients.

19:00

When we are dealing with someone who's annoying, you.

19:02

Know, yeah, it's I

19:05

love that because that it's why

19:07

we're here. You know, God's right,

19:09

see, just through relationship and relationship

19:12

with people with things, with places,

19:14

with animals. But that is how we

19:17

have our human experience. It's by interacting

19:19

with humanityity.

19:27

Deeply.

19:27

Well, when

19:31

this book came in for you, talk to me about that,

19:33

because you wrote this book in

19:36

the midst.

19:36

Of a lot insane insane

19:39

I think. I think the I suit in front

19:41

of the of the audience yesterday

19:43

at Barnes and Noble last night, and I said, the

19:46

fact that I finished this book, even

19:49

if the book is crap, which I know it's not, thank

19:51

God, is really

19:53

a huge accomplishment because I wrote

19:55

it through the grief of a breakup and

19:58

the insane, disorienting,

20:01

suffocating grief of losing my mother. And

20:04

the fact that I finished it and

20:06

turned it in and I edited

20:09

out of the book after the

20:11

grief of losing my mom touched

20:14

my body. From having

20:17

that experience

20:19

like take over my body, my mind, my spirit,

20:21

my heart, I

20:23

edited so much out of the book. The profundity

20:26

and the depth of what's in the book completely

20:28

changed because I had never experienced

20:30

that kind of loss. I had helped

20:33

students grief, I had helped other

20:35

people. I had been support

20:38

to other people. But it's one thing for you to be

20:40

a support to someone who's going through it's another

20:42

thing for you to be touched by grief in

20:44

this way and

20:47

in the world today, I see this is

20:49

my when I get to be reductionistic,

20:53

sometimes I get to be limited in my vocabulary.

20:56

I believe that there are those who have been

20:58

touched by grief and the and those

21:00

who have not yet, and those

21:02

that have been touched by grief, they

21:05

if they are allowed themselves to immerse

21:08

themselves in grief, if they're

21:10

not doing the book, then busy capitalistic

21:12

agenda, which is I have to Unfortunately

21:15

a lot of people don't even have the choice to

21:17

fall apart because of the

21:19

societal corporate.

21:21

You get two days of bereavement.

21:23

That's right, and then you're back to work. My mother died,

21:25

okay, see on Wednesday, Monday,

21:27

Tuesday, you take the day off see on Wednesday, you know,

21:29

and then you have to perform. So our

21:32

society doesn't allow us to fall apart. Our

21:34

society doesn't build

21:36

into its infrastructure time

21:39

for how do you reconstruct

21:42

yourself after you lose a

21:44

leg, after you lose both

21:47

of your arms, after your heart's ripped

21:49

off of your chest. These are the feelings

21:52

that I've had with my mom for the first three

21:54

months. DEVI I had no short term memory,

21:57

like I couldn't tell you what I had for breakfast at lunch.

22:00

I couldn't tell you what I had for breakfast at lunch. And that

22:02

is if you look at grief brain, it's

22:04

a common thing. But why are we talking about

22:07

it? Because the vast majority of people don't

22:09

have the time to even name that or guess

22:11

what. They tell that to someone and someone

22:13

someone pathologized them immediately

22:15

and they become over medicated. I

22:18

had deep personalization derealization.

22:21

I felt like my reality was a dream.

22:23

I felt like I was watching Sah

22:26

live his life. I was outside

22:28

of my body. These experiences are

22:30

not part of the vernacular because

22:32

we're so scared of naming that I lost

22:35

my mind after my mother died, and

22:38

because I am an explorer of

22:40

the human psyche, of the human body. You

22:43

know the word mystic. I'm

22:45

proud to to use

22:47

this word as a description to my

22:49

experience because I'm not I'm

22:52

not seeking, I'm not reading and

22:55

performing what I've read. A mystic

22:57

is someone who seeks realization

22:59

by living experience. And because

23:01

my lived

23:04

experience is my Bible, you

23:06

know, of course I follow a very strict Buddhist

23:08

path. Then

23:09

you can call yourself a

23:11

mystic because what I've

23:13

went through and so honestly shared

23:16

with the world was that I

23:18

fell apart and I've

23:20

been slowly rebuilding myself, you know.

23:23

So tying back to the book, it's the

23:26

pages of the book have all been touched

23:28

by that grief, by that depth, by

23:30

that loss, that intensity, that

23:33

disorienting, inevitable

23:35

experience that all of us will be touched

23:37

by. And then, of course you have people in

23:39

the world today multime multi

23:42

millionnaires who are wanting

23:44

to defy the odds

23:46

and to live forever

23:49

and to not die.

23:52

And I think we're missing the

23:54

novelty and the beauty of

23:57

having an expiration date. You

23:59

know. I think you lose poetry, and you

24:01

your your boredom that's

24:03

already deem as something bad becomes

24:06

pervasive, and you could then become

24:08

even more selfish because it's

24:10

how can I live forever? You

24:12

know?

24:13

Oh my god, Right as you were talking, I thought.

24:14

I went everywhere. I don't know if

24:17

I got your answer, but there we do.

24:19

The correct answer will emerge every time.

24:23

As we were talking, I was remembering this scene.

24:27

I so agree with you on that, Like I I

24:29

want to live so fully. I

24:31

hope I'm blessed to become

24:34

an ancient elder. You know, I really

24:36

want. I love observing humanity,

24:38

so I would love to be very

24:40

healthy, mobile, over one hundred and

24:43

able to share wisdom and see, you know what

24:45

earth has become, So knock on all the woods.

24:47

I see that for you, long gray

24:50

hair like class is a

24:52

fool grow an adult by

24:55

family. And I mean I.

24:57

Like fantasize about being like

25:00

an elder because I want to be a hot,

25:02

healthy elder. So I just love

25:05

seeing like women who are still

25:07

themselves in their bodies,

25:10

in their femininity, because that's what I relate

25:12

to, and like long, flowy gray

25:15

hair, but like gorgeous in you know,

25:17

decked out in their meaningful pieces and

25:19

like oh I'm here for it, and I'm so here for it, flexible

25:22

like yes.

25:23

But heymen, I'm

25:25

there and I'm I'm literally walking right next

25:28

to you with my little walker or hopefully I didn't

25:30

need that's

25:32

right, that's right.

25:33

But there there was this scene in the movie Noah.

25:35

I don't know if you've ever seen that came out

25:37

like over ten years ago. I rewatched

25:39

it in the last couple of years because I love

25:42

studying the Book of Enoch and the history

25:45

Noah to Mathuselah to

25:47

Enoch and Mathuslah was in the Bible,

25:49

I believe the oldest person that

25:52

ever lived.

25:52

Oh wow, so who was I'm going to get

25:54

this so wrong, y'all.

25:55

But I think hundreds and hundreds of years old.

25:58

I don't know the exact number. But there's

26:01

a scene in Noah where the great

26:03

flood is coming right where creation

26:05

is being restarted, and you see

26:07

Methuselah in this

26:10

small little cave, this little mossy patch,

26:13

and he hears the water coming right. This

26:15

is like extinction, this is

26:17

the great melt. So this is like the glacial

26:19

ice like and.

26:20

The rains, and it's about to go down.

26:22

And in the scene right before the water hits

26:25

him, he like licks his lips

26:27

like it's delicious and smiles

26:30

and it's kind of like

26:31

a like he's just so ready

26:35

Noah death. Russell

26:37

Crowe plays Noah and Anthony Hopkins

26:40

is Methuselah.

26:42

But that scene to me was

26:44

so.

26:46

Invocative, like it was just so striking

26:49

to see someone leap towards death

26:52

because their work was complete, that

26:54

they were longing to have the next experience,

26:57

what else?

26:58

What next?

27:00

And so just that what

27:02

you said resonates with me deeply because

27:04

I think that's such a powerful way to

27:07

look at our human experience. Like everyone,

27:09

as you mentioned, is gripping and trying

27:11

to hold and keep things comfortably

27:14

the same. And it's like, let

27:16

life change you, let it change

27:19

things that happened to you, change you, and

27:21

then live fully because when it's your time,

27:24

I want to go out with that kind of like

27:26

expectant smile of more.

27:29

You know. So,

27:32

as you're writing, can I name something

27:34

about this before you ask this question?

27:36

Please?

27:39

I experienced

27:42

something so profound at my mother's funeral, which

27:46

was I don't know if she was ready to go, but

27:49

I was coming from Indonesia, My sister was coming

27:51

from the Paul. My mum was an induced

27:53

coma and she

27:56

stayed for two hours

27:58

and then she died. So she waited

28:01

for us to arrive from these far

28:03

away countries to die. And

28:08

the reason why I'm naming this is because

28:10

a lot of us are not thinking about our eulogy.

28:13

We're not thinking about the fact that how

28:16

we live will dictate our

28:20

experience as we die, right,

28:22

We're not really thinking about how

28:25

every moment every person. Every

28:27

time we can

28:29

lift the space, we can

28:32

you know, bring a smile to someone's face, we can

28:34

help someone, We can just do the

28:37

smaller, big ways right, that we can

28:39

lift the world, that we can lift

28:41

each other, that we can inspire each other. It

28:44

all adds up to how

28:46

your death will be peaceful

28:49

or chaotic. And in Buddhism,

28:51

we're really training ourselves for that

28:53

moment. A lot of it. It's like it's

28:55

either you become enlightened while

28:58

you're still alive, and that's a really hard path,

29:01

but that's part of the part of the training.

29:04

Or you work yourself to

29:06

become so lucid and you have accumulated

29:09

so many good deeds. You've you've become

29:11

you've lied such an experience inspire

29:14

inspirational life that your moment

29:16

of death is a peaceful one. And

29:19

the reason why I'm saying all this to raptus to give a

29:21

little bit more context, my mother's

29:23

funeral was a

29:26

really eye opening experience to how

29:29

I want to be remembered. Even

29:31

though most of us are only remembered for like five

29:33

ten years. Except for your

29:36

close family, most people will most

29:38

people ninety nine point nine

29:40

percent of us will all be forgotten within a

29:42

couple of years or five ten years. It's

29:44

this is the max, right, Even the biggest

29:47

superstars are.

29:47

Forgotten only like ten every

29:50

hundred years are really remembered, right,

29:52

Like think about that everyone

29:54

like this when everyone is thinking about posting

29:57

stuff or just legacy in terms

29:59

of soccial media impact, like even

30:02

in bigger legacy, like ultimately it

30:05

can't be about vanity because maybe

30:08

every hundred years as.

30:10

A whole, fifty people are remembered globally.

30:13

That's right, globally. Yeah, that's

30:15

like you we have to bask

30:18

in the sweetness of being forgotten. We

30:20

have to like, oh god, really just

30:23

like, oh, how delicious

30:25

that I get to be fully forgotten

30:28

and not be scared of it. I think

30:30

we hold on to to a

30:32

legacy of not making mistakes,

30:35

a legacy of harmony and

30:37

sweetness and accumulation for a lot

30:39

of people. Yes, instead of instead

30:42

of living out loud and making mistakes

30:44

and being hurt and

30:48

breaking your heart and breaking

30:50

hearts, all of it for the sake

30:52

of living a full human life and then

30:55

not forgetting the precious moment

30:57

of you, you know, laying the lifeless

31:01

and your family members walking

31:04

up and I'm now

31:06

I'm choking up a little bit, and your

31:08

family members walking up to tell

31:11

stories about how you lived, and

31:13

friends walking up and telling stories about

31:16

how you touch their lives. My

31:18

mother's funeral was a

31:20

big inspirational point for me because

31:23

one may say she lived a very simple life. She

31:25

wasn't a popular person by social

31:28

media standards, right, Well,

31:30

that's not entirely true, because her and I have had

31:33

viral videos of us dancing as

31:35

she had just gone through chemotherapy, and

31:38

that viral videos that it got the attention of Deepak

31:41

Chopa's team, and that's how I ended up going

31:43

to teach alongside Deepak

31:46

and leading the same method on

31:48

Instagram for the you know, most of the pandemic.

31:51

But my mother's funeral was

31:56

such a spectacular reminder

31:58

of how I want to be, Yeah,

32:01

someone who who touched

32:03

people in beautiful and sweet and

32:05

simple ways. You know. It

32:08

was really about her presence, It was really about her

32:10

smile. It was really about her warmth,

32:12

you know, and not these

32:14

big as beautiful warmth.

32:17

She really such like I remember she face

32:19

timed with you and she was talking a quest

32:21

of her face times, yes, and she was

32:23

just this like, oh my God, like a sun,

32:26

like a beam of light coming through

32:28

your phone.

32:29

And you know, the last phone call I had with her, I

32:32

asked my astrologer who we

32:34

both share, Darryl. Darryl.

32:37

I asked Darryl about my mother's

32:39

chart, and he said, this

32:42

is the last phone call I had with her before she died. I

32:45

asked, can you read her chart for me? Or

32:47

what's going on for her? What is this season

32:50

that she's in, you know? And

32:53

he said many things, but

32:55

the important thing was is that she had the star,

32:57

the chart of a star. She

32:59

was meant to be popular,

33:02

she was meant to be seen

33:04

in a global stage. And I remember

33:06

telling her this as she was already in the hospital

33:09

and she was hospitalized for pneumonia,

33:11

which was misdiagnosis of

33:13

a problem she was having because of radiation

33:16

to her brain. Yeah,

33:20

so this was the last phone call I had with her.

33:22

Wow, what

33:26

was the experience after

33:28

your mom passed?

33:31

You did your five hundred mile

33:34

walk of grief?

33:36

Insane? Insane?

33:38

What is an experience?

33:40

I don't even know how to formulate the question

33:42

because it's like a thousand

33:44

questions and one but one. What

33:48

led you to that How did you know that was the

33:50

path you needed for your growth,

33:53

for your grief, And.

33:55

That's enough of a question.

33:56

On a day to day experience, How

33:59

did that feel?

34:00

How were you in process

34:03

with her throughout that walk,

34:05

because that is you're

34:07

walking for five hundred

34:09

miles, so a full.

34:11

Day, thirty two days, for

34:13

about seven hours a day.

34:16

Seven hours a day,

34:19

my god, three hours in the morning, four hours

34:21

in afternoon.

34:22

Yeah,

34:24

insane, Okay, So why

34:27

did I do it? What happened?

34:30

So Mom died December twenty fifth of

34:32

twenty twenty two January

34:35

February March. I was incomplete

34:40

dis enchantment with humanity.

34:42

Simultaneous, I had my training started,

34:44

so I was training one hundred

34:46

people and how to be somatic activated

34:49

he alerts. So I had to immediately

34:52

lock in a part of me and deliver this

34:55

training to these people. Had paid good

34:57

money to learn this method

34:59

and to teach this method right, and

35:01

looking back, that was a life

35:03

affirming choice. That was a life giving

35:06

choice because it anchored me in service.

35:08

It anchored me here. And

35:10

then a few like GENETI

35:13

vated Mars and then April came around,

35:16

and I remember feeling the sensitized of

35:20

to my grief. I remember questioning

35:23

did my mom ever live? Did

35:25

she ever love me? And

35:30

did I even have a life with her?

35:32

It was so desensitized and I was losing

35:36

sight of the grief to such

35:38

a degree that I started to question if

35:40

I even have had a mother? Does

35:42

that make sense? It's on the verge of a little

35:45

like insanity, a little bit. But that's what grief

35:47

can can kindapul you towards you

35:49

know, And I said.

35:52

Do you know what you're saying is especially in a

35:54

role like that of and you. The

35:56

two of you had such a beautiful

35:58

relationship, so much

36:01

love filled the room when the two of you

36:03

were together. So that was such a blessed

36:06

experience to have with a

36:08

mother. But what I'm

36:10

hearing is too, when you lose your

36:13

first God, your first home, right,

36:16

your mother, that is calling

36:19

into question all the

36:21

roles that you play.

36:22

Every really brings in the what am I? And

36:24

what am I? If she doesn't

36:26

exist?

36:28

Exactly? All of it, literally, all

36:30

of that it was and the it became

36:33

such a it was so heavy

36:35

to carry the idea and it still

36:37

is of living through

36:40

life without that anchor,

36:42

without that figure in my life, you know, so

36:46

all of this to say that I started to be

36:48

desensitized to the grief and I started

36:50

to take on more work, do

36:53

more things, and I was like, this

36:55

is not I think I'm I

36:58

think I've lost the plot, Like I

37:01

should not be high

37:04

performance SAT right now. Something

37:06

is off. And that's when I realized that what

37:09

was off was not enough space

37:11

for the grief to emerge, not

37:14

enough space for the grief to break

37:16

me down, not enough time to fall apart,

37:19

and fall apart so gracefully that no one

37:23

who would hear me my mother just died

37:25

would flinch or say I'm

37:27

so sorry for your lost thoughts in prayer, or

37:29

they would do the immediate thing. She's

37:32

in a better place, she's your ancestor

37:34

now she has angel wings, now she's

37:36

watching over you. At least she's not in pain.

37:39

You know, all the well intended

37:41

things that we say during grief which are

37:43

tremendously.

37:44

Hurtful, it's for that person's

37:46

comfort.

37:47

Exactly, because they're so deeply uncomfortable

37:49

with how you are feeling

37:52

that they want to name something,

37:55

say something that in their mind

37:57

could potentially resolve or fix you

38:00

out of suffering so they feel

38:02

better without understanding that suffering

38:05

seeses and passes and changes

38:08

with presents. So I needed a

38:10

concerted amount of time to fall

38:13

apart, and to

38:15

fall apart in such a graceful way

38:17

that I wouldn't have anyone, even

38:20

the well intended friends and community

38:23

and strangers, because so many

38:25

people follow my work, running to fans all the time,

38:28

and they would always want to say

38:30

something so sweet and so kind, and

38:34

it would always like tug at me at

38:37

my experience with the grief. So

38:40

going on this walk was the specific

38:42

amount of time. I didn't

38:45

know that thirty two days was going to I was going to be the

38:47

perfect amount of time. To be honest, I just knew I needed

38:49

to walk with the grief. I knew

38:51

that walking does so well for me as

38:54

a meditative practice, as

38:57

a spiritual practice, as an opportunity

38:59

to just be with a

39:01

feeling, be with an experience. And I

39:04

had downloaded all these playlists and these podcasts

39:07

and these books that I wanted to listen to, and

39:09

I really realized that I was saturated

39:12

with enormous amounts of information

39:15

inside of me that I didn't

39:17

need to add music. I didn't need to add

39:19

a podcast. I didn't need to add a book

39:21

in order for me to distract

39:23

myself from the overload

39:27

of information that was being

39:29

poured into me by the grief.

39:32

So I just walked with

39:35

this experience, and I just walked

39:37

with the unpleasantness of

39:40

the grief, and at some point I

39:42

started to really make friends with grief

39:46

that hey, this is a friend that that will

39:48

be with me for the rest of my life because I

39:50

think the I think end LaMotte

39:52

says, it's like you start to limp

39:55

and you just realize that the limp is part

39:57

of your new way of walking. And

40:00

I find that so reassuring and so so

40:03

beautiful, because you know, I did

40:05

lose a part of me, and how

40:08

do I live without

40:11

a part of myself?

40:12

You know?

40:13

So this is what living with grief

40:16

teaches me, and that's what the walk emphasized.

40:18

It's like I needed this amount of

40:20

time to bond with my dad, to

40:23

give my dad an opportunity to become my dad

40:25

again, you know, to reposition

40:28

him back on that altar as

40:31

the father who is now lost

40:34

his love of forty

40:36

two years. This man is trying

40:38

to become a new

40:40

person after having lived side

40:43

by side with the swim for forty two

40:45

years. It's like he's lived more

40:47

with her than with anyone else. You

40:50

know, his personality

40:52

is more built entrenched with her

40:54

than with him by himself. You

40:57

know, it's that severe. So

41:01

we all of this came to fruition.

41:03

All of this was like part

41:05

of the walk. So there's a lot of a

41:08

lot of self editing, a lot of self transformation,

41:11

and also a lot of relational experience

41:14

because I had never spent this amount of time

41:16

with my father before, because Mum was

41:18

always the anchor in the family. We would always Dad

41:21

always knew what was going on for us through

41:23

Mom, because Mom was the one who talked

41:25

on the phone morning and night. We would check in and

41:28

we would you know, come to her with the good and the

41:30

bad, everything, all the

41:32

experience, and then Dad would find out through

41:34

her. Now Dad was

41:37

not taking her space, but now having

41:39

learned how to hold not

41:43

the success SA is going

41:45

through, not the the other celebrity

41:47

that I was working with, none of that. But

41:49

who is Sah grieving

41:52

the loss of his beloved mother? You

41:54

know? Can my dad handle me sobbing

41:57

over my soup at lunch? Can

41:59

my dad ad hold me at

42:01

dinner when I wake up in a panic

42:04

because I'm remembering, I'm having

42:07

flashbacks of my mom at the hospital.

42:10

You know, can he handle that? And time

42:13

after time he proved

42:15

himself, not that he needed to, but

42:18

he proved that he can

42:20

love me beyond in

42:22

ways, in ways that go beyond

42:25

my imagination. They they're

42:27

not I love you ways. The

42:30

words don't come out, but it's nonverbal.

42:33

They are just the warmth of his presence,

42:35

you know.

42:36

Or acts.

42:38

He would then buy me breakfast. He

42:40

would have breakfast ordered to the table

42:42

before I arrived. So these

42:46

acts of service meant a lot. It

42:48

really transformed our relationship. It

42:50

really showed me that he knows how to

42:52

love me in ways that I actually ways

42:55

that I actually need.

42:56

You know, how special, my

42:58

God, how powerful, deeply

43:07

well.

43:11

In this experience and what you just shared, like

43:13

there's so many layers of access

43:16

to spirit that everyone listening

43:18

can dive into.

43:19

You know. It's like, because I heard so

43:21

many things. I heard about

43:23

the grief.

43:24

I heard about the glory of the beauty

43:26

of the relationship you had with this special,

43:28

special woman and mother. I

43:31

heard about some of the ways

43:33

that you were even challenging yourself with

43:35

the grief, right, and that especially,

43:38

I think is so profound because depression

43:42

is guaranteed. Depression

43:44

is guaranteed. First of all, I want to normalize

43:46

depression to be a live Depression

43:48

is guaranteed.

43:49

That is my belief.

43:50

I have never met a single person, nor

43:52

do I imagine I would, if they're being fully honest,

43:55

that has not experienced some level of depression

43:57

at least by the end of their life. Right, if

44:00

not once a week, once a month, you know,

44:03

or however often. But grief

44:06

doesn't just I think we

44:09

miss tremendous opportunity if

44:11

we just keep our thoughts of grief about

44:14

depression. What I heard was

44:16

a way that you allowed

44:18

grief to help you rise. You

44:20

allowed your grief to transform

44:23

so many different particle pieces of you.

44:26

And it's like even the awareness

44:28

that has led to this book. You were

44:30

describing that awareness funneling in

44:33

through the dynamic of your father and

44:36

through recognizing some areas where you weren't

44:38

as close, and now a new invitation

44:41

to know each other in a new way and to be

44:43

close in a new way. To even

44:46

make the choice my God

44:48

as an offering to the vastness

44:51

of your love for your mother and her love for

44:53

you to spend thirty two

44:55

days walking

44:59

with the grief as your companion.

45:02

Literally yeap.

45:04

And we're about to do another one. We're

45:06

about to do another one. We're thinking about going

45:08

to the Oregon Coast Trail. So this

45:10

one is a I think it's three hundred and ninety

45:13

two miles, so close to four

45:15

hundred miles, and we'll take us we'll

45:17

do in the same months, maybe like twenty

45:19

seven to thirty days. We're deciding

45:22

we're going to do this one or one in Japan. It's

45:24

it's our eyearly way of memorializing

45:27

Mom and never losing sight of

45:30

the grief and never losing sight

45:33

of her presence in our lives, because

45:36

it could we can so quickly become busy, we

45:38

can so quickly lose the

45:41

connection to the severity

45:44

of what it means to lose a mother

45:47

and the profundity

45:49

of what it means to have another day on earth.

45:52

The poetry of sitting

45:55

after you've sobbed to the point

45:57

of snot coming down your nose, and

45:59

you are sitting on the trail and you look

46:02

up and I can cry thinking of

46:04

it, and you see the leaves dancing

46:07

in the wind, and you feel the sun

46:09

kissing your skin and you

46:11

come alive again. You realize

46:13

I am in this body. I get to

46:15

live. I get to continue to

46:18

walk for her, for

46:20

everyone who didn't have the chance. I get

46:22

to feel the grief of the world, for

46:25

all those who don't have the time

46:27

and the privilege and the energy to

46:30

go into this place. I get to grieve

46:32

for those who don't have the time.

46:35

I get to be a pillar of light

46:38

in a dark space for people, and

46:41

I get to go to the depth

46:43

of it in such a way because no one on that

46:45

trail is trying to fix or resolve

46:47

me. And I have a story to tell about

46:49

this. I had a person that I

46:52

had seen on the trail. Sometimes, if

46:54

you're consistent about the time you wake up and

46:57

the time that you the time

46:59

that you go, the time that you wake up every

47:01

day, and the time that you it

47:04

really has to do with when you wake up. If you ended

47:06

up seeing the same people on the trail, right, maybe

47:10

you walk with some people for like three four days and

47:12

maybe someone takes a rest day, So when

47:14

you wake up and when you take your rest day, it

47:16

really dictates if you walk with a group of people.

47:18

Maybe these are five to ten people that you see at

47:21

the same hotel or hostel or cafes

47:23

or restaurants right through the trail. And there

47:26

was this person, this woman who would I was

47:28

seeing, and I had all this judgment towards

47:30

her. I had this like wave of

47:32

bias, this wave of prejudice just

47:35

washing over me and cluttering my view of

47:37

this person without even meeting her,

47:40

without ever having spent a single moment

47:42

in her presence, every or

47:44

even knowing her name. Okay,

47:47

I mean day three of the trail, day

47:50

four of the trail. The grief hasn't

47:52

kicked in. I'm kind of like, okay, cool, I'm putting

47:54

I'm putting music on music,

47:57

the songs that remind me of my mother. To see

48:00

it was kickstart the tsunami

48:02

effect. Still just a little bit here

48:04

and there. And then I'm

48:07

walking on an average trail

48:09

through the forest, nothing like mind blowing,

48:11

nothing like uh you know, and

48:15

something just like a wave of grief

48:18

starts to pour in and I unearth

48:22

this ungrieved grief, and I start

48:24

to sob and sob and

48:27

wail to the point that I even lose a

48:29

balance. So I sit on the trail. Who

48:32

is the person who comes from behind me and

48:35

hands me a tissue with a hand

48:37

on my shoulder. That woman, and

48:40

she didn't say a single thing for a

48:42

whole like maybe five ten minutes. That felt

48:44

like eternity. She just stood there. The

48:48

person who I had all this judgment towards

48:51

was the person that held this

48:53

beautiful space for me without

48:55

trying to fix me, without trying to resolve

48:57

me or urge me out of the

49:00

tonne of darkness. You know, she

49:03

just stood there. And then

49:06

we didn't even exchange names at that point. It

49:08

wasn't until a couple of days later that I ran into

49:10

her at a cafe one of the

49:13

you know, sporadic stops through

49:15

the tray where there's a cafe in

49:17

the middle of the forest, in the middle of the you know, on

49:19

the side of a road or something, that

49:22

I was able to just say, hey, thank

49:24

you so much for that. That

49:27

was really meaningful to me. Yeah,

49:29

So we never know who will

49:31

be the messenger of grace,

49:34

a stranger that can

49:36

be a reminder for us to feel

49:39

our grief, to not be desensitized

49:41

by it, and never to think that grief

49:43

is too big of an emotion that you can't

49:46

hold, you know, never to think

49:48

that any feeling is too big, that

49:51

they're here to hurt you, or that they're here

49:54

in a way that will engo for you and

49:56

take you out. What takes us

49:58

out is our relationship, our feelings.

50:00

You know. Yeah,

50:08

God, so

50:10

powerful, so deep, so

50:14

necessary.

50:16

Okay, where

50:18

do you want to go next? Because I could talk about

50:20

this walk for a while because it's

50:23

you know, it really was life affirming and earth

50:26

shattering. You know, it really

50:28

did the number that I never

50:31

thought a walk

50:35

of that magnitude could really

50:38

like transform my

50:40

relationship to grief and to remind

50:43

me to keep going, to keep

50:45

living. You know that grief

50:47

is a reminder of paradox.

50:52

Grief is a reminder to live in paradox.

50:54

You spoke about this way earlier about

50:57

can I be depressed and inspired?

51:00

Can I be grieving and grateful? You

51:02

know, as Mark Nepo says the poet,

51:04

he says, everything is beautiful and I'm so

51:07

sad. That's my state,

51:10

you know, And I'm okay, And that's

51:12

okay because that's what it means to live a

51:16

full human life is to not have

51:19

boundaries or to

51:22

reject the transient nature

51:24

of life, which means if change

51:26

is inevitable, then grief is inevitable

51:29

because everything's changing, so everything

51:32

you know is in movement, So the old

51:34

version of ourselves, every

51:36

single experience, will

51:39

never happen again. And because of it, grief

51:41

is weaved into that tapestry and

51:44

I won't shy away from it. I'm

51:46

now driven by by

51:49

it to open

51:51

myself up to the beauty in that.

51:53

You know, Son,

51:57

I did a masterclass on reef

52:00

a couple of years ago. We taught this together.

52:03

It was called the Daily Death. So

52:06

I know that's on your website. So if anyone is feeling

52:09

really connected to kind of challenging

52:11

some thoughts they have around grief, please

52:13

go to SA's website and check it out. SA's

52:16

latest book, Spiritually we

52:19

The Art of Relating and Connecting from the Heart,

52:21

is available now.

52:25

This is such a special, introspective

52:29

and incredibly applicable

52:32

book to really start repositioning

52:35

people in your life and also challenge yourself

52:38

to the boundaries you hold

52:40

for people. Are they healthy, safe

52:43

boundaries or are they boundaries that keep you

52:45

engaged and your experience

52:47

that keep you avoiding yourself? And it's just so

52:50

important to dive into that. So this

52:52

book is absolutely such a beautiful

52:54

companion for you at this juncture

52:56

of your journey. So how can everyone

52:58

connect with you and continue to connect with your

53:00

powerful work.

53:02

I would love for people to get the book Spiritually

53:04

Weak, because it's we're living through a loneliness

53:07

epidemic. You know, more people

53:09

are lonely than connected. That's

53:11

just the statistics, you know. So I

53:13

would love for people to get the book and also

53:16

if they want to, you know, shake

53:18

and dance and scream in

53:20

a safe, intentional environment. Come

53:22

to the Somatic dance floor, come to the somatic

53:25

activated healing membership. But do

53:27

both, you know, like come and dance.

53:30

But really this is this is the biggest

53:32

offering because I think we've lost the

53:34

plot and how to relate. I think

53:36

we've we have gone so far

53:39

away from learning

53:43

and actually in knowing that

53:45

relationship and friendship is a

53:48

biological, psychological, spiritual

53:50

nutrient that we can't live without.

53:53

Yes, And through the research in the book, I

53:55

really found out that like loneliness

53:57

strikes in a body, like hunger, it's

53:59

a you for something that you need, for

54:01

something that you're lacking. And this is

54:04

what the research has to show. And we're not thought

54:06

that we're not trained in that, we're not educated

54:09

in that we are in

54:11

a capitalistic society. And

54:13

I'm not an anti capitalist person.

54:16

I believe there's good things from it as well,

54:18

But I think the way how pervasive

54:21

it is of the zero sum game, of this

54:23

competition, of this overachieving,

54:27

this do more and the more

54:29

you do, the better you feel kind

54:31

of mindset, right, and how

54:33

much our self worth is based on what we have

54:36

to show for these aspects of this

54:38

culture are the toxic traits that

54:40

I want us to erase, the lead

54:42

unsubscribed from. So the book really

54:45

addresses this vital need

54:47

that we need each other, that we can't do the human

54:49

gig alone. It's impossible to

54:52

do human by yourself.

54:55

You can't carry the burden, but alone

54:58

it's impossible. And your jo is multiplied

55:01

in community. And also if you're on a spiritual

55:03

path, the relationships

55:07

will show you how free you are.

55:09

Because it's one thing to be free, and you're cushioned

55:12

by yourself at home. Then

55:14

when you bring it that freedom to

55:16

the coffee shop, to your mother in law,

55:18

to your ex husband, to your ex boyfriend,

55:21

to whatever, Yeah, are you

55:23

really free or can you just talk

55:25

the talk because you're

55:28

free. If you're free in front

55:30

of those who annoy you, who trigger you, who've

55:32

hurt you, that's when you know that you're free.

55:34

So the book is a call to that absolutely.

55:36

You know, and it's a big call to remind

55:39

us that, Hey, so

55:42

many people in America are

55:45

experiencing really hard

55:48

times in their lives by themselves

55:51

because they're so profoundly distracted.

55:54

The phone that was here,

55:56

that is here to connect us, to

55:59

weave us with the tapesture of connection,

56:03

is actually doing the opposite. It's

56:05

separating us. It's keeping us away from seeing

56:07

the poetry and the beauty in human life. It's

56:10

pulling us into savoring

56:13

social media more so than connection

56:16

in person.

56:17

I think that's one of the biggest pitfalls because

56:19

I think for a lot of people, they're lonely

56:21

and they don't understand fully why,

56:24

and a lot of it is And this isn't everyone's fault.

56:26

This is the conditioning of social media.

56:29

We've spent the last fifteen years where

56:31

people thought just liking someone

56:33

you know's content or leaving

56:36

a comment is friendship, and

56:38

it's not.

56:39

It's connection online.

56:40

It's you know, kind of like raising your hand,

56:43

but that is not the same thing as being in community

56:46

with people or being in relationship with other

56:48

people.

56:49

You have to kind of test

56:51

it out in real life too.

56:53

So everyone has been getting like

56:56

nourished by junk food by thinking

56:58

they're so connected to people, but

57:00

when it actually comes to them having life

57:02

experiences, their ability

57:05

to relate, I think really goes down.

57:08

So this book is available in stores right

57:10

now. Spiritually We and of course Saw has

57:12

his incredible podcast, his first

57:14

book, such a so

57:17

many beautiful tools

57:20

for real embodiment of your

57:22

process to be who you want

57:24

to be, not just to speak in theory

57:27

about who you want to be, to actually live

57:29

it. So Sadi Simone dot com is

57:32

how you can check out salv courses Instagram

57:34

at Saudi Simone. Closing

57:37

thought, I always like to extend a little

57:39

soul work to everybody listening. What

57:42

is a practice that those

57:44

connecting with this episode can take with

57:46

them for this week.

57:47

It could be a thought starter, it could

57:50

be a question of inquiry.

57:52

I got you, I got you. It's

57:54

something that I speak about in a book called Social

57:57

Integration. I want you to

57:59

say hi to your neighbor. I want you to

58:01

say hi to the person that the coffee shop. I want

58:03

you to humanize every

58:05

human you see, not just see

58:08

them as a as a passer by, as

58:10

someone who doesn't have depth or

58:13

that doesn't suffer the same ways that you do. I

58:15

want you to see everyone that you come

58:17

in contact with, even if you live in a big city. Well

58:20

maybe if you're walking down New York City and you're you

58:23

know, in contact with

58:25

one hundred people on the sidewalk, maybe not.

58:27

But yeah, have discernment, have discernment,

58:29

that's right.

58:29

Yeah, but really

58:32

try to humanize every human

58:34

being. Can you touch their

58:36

humanity? Can you realize that just like you,

58:39

they want to be happy and they don't want to suffer,

58:42

And also, just like you, they do suffer,

58:45

you know, and their moms may die, and their

58:47

partners may leave them, and things like this may

58:49

happen. So don't gloss over people.

58:52

Don't see people as a as a hologram

58:55

without depth and feeling in a

58:57

whole human experience them

59:00

that they're you know, living through.

59:03

Humanize everyone and come in contact with and test

59:06

your material. See if you can offer a genuine

59:08

compliment to a stranger this week, See if

59:10

you can say, I like your shoes, nice

59:13

hair, you look great, you

59:15

know, like test your capacity

59:18

to engage and see what happens inside

59:20

of you because it will lift them up. But

59:23

look at the high that you are creating

59:26

for yourself. You know, it's a

59:28

beautiful experience to relate where

59:31

we've lost the plot when it comes to relationships

59:33

and we're missing such a beautiful way of feeling

59:36

good by being.

59:38

Seen, beautiful,

59:41

beautiful. I love you,

59:44

I love you back. Thank you for coming on

59:46

the show.

59:47

Thank you.

59:49

And one more thing.

59:50

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59:53

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