B. Pagels-Minor loves product development and improving the processes of developing successful products. B has worked with small and large technology companies with more than a hundred thousand people to increase product adoption, improve product experience, and design and evolve. B is also a thought leader on product and culture development within technology companies, which is what we need dearly. They are passionate about creating a culture of accountability and sustainable processes that allow teams to just do the work well. And that is exactly what we need, especially in technology.

In this episode, B and Emily discuss working to show others the humanity in ourselves and marginalized groups, the power of saying no, and curiosity guiding us through challenging times.